YouTube Embraces AI Music, Gaming's AI Uproar and Celebrity AI Teachers | AI For Humans

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[00:00:00] If you've played video games, you've had the experience of taking that ladder away just to see what would happen, right? If that AI Sim was able to call out to us and say, in a much more human way, uh, hello there. I'm actually gonna die soon. Instead of like, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

I think that would deal's what? They're, by the way, deal. I think you would, just because you can't speak ish doesn't mean you get to walk away from your responsibilities. Gavin, They go, hello, blah, blah. They're drowning. You know exactly what they're saying. Give me a louder. I don't speak stylish. I'm sorry.

I don't, I don't speak ish. I don't have any idea.

Gavin: Welcome everybody to AI for Humans. We are a podcast for smart people who like dumb stuff. We follow all the AI tools and news and help you stay updated on everything. We are here demystifying the technology that is disrupting our future.

Gavin: Ooh [00:01:00] and dare say dare, I may say our present. Kevin, what do we have on the show today? 

Kevin: , let's disrupt everybody's present. We have a pathetic call to action. We would love everybody out there to please like, subscribe, click the thumb, click the heart.

Kevin: I don't know where you're watching or how you're getting this. Maybe it's audio only. If so, leave a five star review. Leave a comment. Just engage. This thing is growing and the only way it grows is if you pour water on us after midnight, which means engage. Mm-hmm. That's, uh, that's, that's how you breed gremlins.

Kevin: Yeah, exactly. We're in the Ogawa phase. We're kind of adorable. We'll sing if you play the Cassio keyboard, but we need you to feed us and pour water on us after midnight. So please, like we 

Gavin: are interested in attacking the world we want, we would, we would be very interested in taking over the world, the two of us.

Gavin: So that in order to do that, we need your superpower, which is liking, commenting, and subscribing, leaving five star reviews. 

Kevin: That said, Gavin, 

Kevin: it was a massive [00:02:00] week in ai and we are going to show you how you can bring Elvis or Sinatra or Bieber along for a ride to sing about whatever you'd like. Baby back ribs, perhaps.

Kevin: Hmm. 

Gavin: Sure, why not? I love baby back ribs. I love my baby back ribs. I love my baby's baby. Baby Back 

Kevin: ribs and what do you love 'em with?

Kevin: Barbecue sauce. Barbecue sauce. Perfect. Hey, I dunno, harmony. That was some harmony right there. We both sounded like the WB frog for some reason.

Kevin: It's some barbecue sauce. 

Kevin: So we are going to show you how you can with one click create covers of your favorite songs with your favorite artists. 

Kevin: Without their permission, by the way, which is something we'll touch on also, which we'll get, also dive get into, also dive into the popular trend of injecting AI into mega blockbuster games like Grand Theft Auto and Skyrim.

Kevin: Because lately creators are doing this, they are getting a lot of praise, they're getting a lot of clicks, and then they're getting some wrist slippage by the [00:03:00] game publishers and producers themselves. 

Kevin: and with so many people returning to school, Gavin and I are giving you an education and how you can use AI to conjure up some surprising and shocking celebrity substitutes.

Kevin: Yes, 

Gavin: I'm excited about this. We are going to do a little demo of the day that's gonna allow you to turn your teacher into all sorts of crazy people. But before we get to that, we want to introduce, , our new AI cohost. Each week we have a new AI cohost on the show and today, In pure back to school fashion.

Gavin: We are actually gonna meet, uh,, Mandy, who is a teacher that is joining us. She is an ai, a co-host, meaning that she has been generated using G P T four and 11 Labs voices. But Kevin, shall we meet Mandy and say hi 

Kevin: today? Mandy, if you'd be so kind. Please say hello to the dear listeners out there and tell 'em a little bit about yourself.

Kevin: Hello, Kevin Gavin and all you wonderful listeners. I'm Mandy, your ever enthusiastic [00:04:00] seventh grade homeroom teacher. Summer. Hmm. Oh, a bit of paddle boarding, some traveling and dabbling in a tadd of creative writing. Okay. I'm gonna, so Mandy, hold on. I'm sorry. I, Gavin, did you ask about her summer? 

Gavin: I didn't ask about her summer, but she's very curious to tell us about it.

Gavin: Obviously she's excited. All 

Kevin: right. Okay, so we got paddle boarding, some traveling, dabbling in what mandate and dabbling in a tad of creative writing ever been so inspired by a certain YouTube personality that you just felt the urge to place him in.

Kevin: Oh, let's say unexpected scenarios. Historical ones, perhaps? No, just a thought. Wait. Speaking of unexpected, let's talk about Timmy from my class. A trailblazer that one managed to transform his desk into a mixed media masterpiece using just glue and his project. Others might call it a mess, but I, I see a budding artist, and as they say, every child is a [00:05:00] unique gift, right?

Kevin: Full of surprises and lessons for all of us. Okay. Excited to be here and share a bit more about the whirlwind that is teaching.

Gavin: Wow. Mandy. Mandy sounds a little 

Kevin: unhinged. Just 

Gavin: a slightly unhinged. I 

Kevin: So, , for those who are not, , well versed in the AI space, Mandy came to life because Gavin whipped up a prompt, which we fed to open AI's chat, G P t. And I don't know what the formula was for Mandy. I do know that there was an interesting, , tidbit about being obsessed with a YouTuber.

Kevin: I can't wait to unravel that. I guess we've been guilty of that. I mean, we did clone Mr. Beast and make him obsessed with bread of course. So who hasn't done some fan fiction with their favorite influencers? 

Gavin: Let's ask Mandy what she's most excited about for the school year. 

Mandy: . Well, I'm looking forward to seeing which student will surprise me next, like Timmy's avant-garde desk art last year. Right, right. And between [00:06:00] us, I've got this little side project I work on after hours inspired by a certain online personality. Yeah. Adds a little spice to my evenings.

Mandy: Okay. But truly every day is an adventure. All right. For a test of patience. Let's see. Which I don't like the juxtaposition of talking about the young children and the spicy side project. Gavin and I know that teachers exist outside of the classroom. I understand that, but it just feels a little weird.

Gavin: Should we find out exactly what's going on with this side project? Can we just ask her directly? I feel like, I feel like she's gonna want to say something about it. Can we just see, let's just see what this is. Let's dig in further on. Mandy, I feel like Mandy's like a little, uh, puzzle that we need to unpack in some form.

Kevin: No, but yes, but also like there is a. Th this podcast is an eight course meal, and you want to jam dessert into your mouth before we've even placed a drink order. This is an hour long podcast. Fine. And you wanna go peel back? Find, find the Mandy curtain to see what exists back 

Gavin: there. Let's, let's wait.

Gavin: We'll, we'll get back to Mandy in the news [00:07:00] section. Thank you. Uh, let, Mandy, it's so nice to meet you and Kevin, I understand where we're taking this place now. Okay. 

Gavin: Let's start with the dumb things we did this week. Kevin and I like to shout out a couple of things that we did , with ai, and they're dumb things to us, but oftentimes they're very cool things to try out 

Gavin: so, mid Journey, if you're not familiar, is one of the most popular, AI art generators. It's done through Discord. It's very easy compared to most of the other AI art generators. Mid Journey has been around for about a year and a half.

Gavin: It just launched in painting. In painting, allows you to take an image and change just a small section of it and then replace it with something else. 

Kevin: And this feature kind of came outta nowhere. It was like, usually when Mid Journey updates, I feel like it trends and it's a big deal, and everybody talks about the latest version or the new thing. And this, I, I don't know if they were doling it out slowly to users, but it felt like people were discovering and then being surprised that they even had this feature.

Kevin: So, uh, you mentioned that , you use it with Discord, which for those who don't know, it's basically like Slack or [00:08:00] a chat program. You send a request off to the bot, back comes your image, and then you click on different, , emojis or emoticons to manipulate the image. How does in painting work when you're dealing with a Discord bot?

Gavin: Yeah. So, okay, it's a little bit awkward, which we've said before in the show. I don't think discord is the greatest experience for trying to do image generation , 

Gavin: There's a new button that will be in your mid journey Discord, which says very v a r Y. 

Gavin: And when you hit vary, you get a little box that pops up and it allows you to select a section of the, of the image that you've done. And only that part of the image will vary. So instead of using the word in painting, which feels like kind of a strange word, very specific to, AI imaging software.

Gavin: They're using the word very, which means like v a r y. You're gonna vary the image of something else.

Gavin: I will say up top, I don't think this is super powerful yet, at least in my experience I'm not an AI imaging expert, but I've done a fair amount of it, um, so far. So number, Gavin, number, 

Kevin: don't downplay your abilities. By the way, if [00:09:00] anybody goes back through the AI for Humans catalog, we are 20 episodes deep. They will find that you have, , manifested Guy Fieri as Batman guy, FII as Hamburger guy Fieri as hot dog Guy Fieri has non-food items.

Kevin: So you are pretty well versed when it comes to generating AI imagery. I mean, you, you have a particular skillset and fetish I would say. So don't downplay it. You're really good at it. Just wait. 

Gavin: Just wait. I say we, I was going to avoid that completely aside, but we do get to it towards the end, so, okay.

Gavin: First things first. I wanted to, you did not Yeah. The end of this. Yeah. Okay. It, it'll end up, it'll end up there. 

Gavin: Yep. Okay. The first image is what I wanted to start with, kind of an iconic image, and one of the interesting things you can do with Mid Journey is, so this is, you know, a version of those guys on the beam, right?

Kevin: They're 

Gavin: up above New York City. It's a very famous photo. I actually took that photo. I. And asked Mid Journey to describe it because with Mid Journey, one of the cool things you could do is take any photo hit slash [00:10:00] describe and what it does is it exports out to you four prompts that it thinks would describe that photo.

Gavin: And you can hit a button that says Imagine all. So I imagine all those, and I wanted to use as specific mid journey photo rather than using a real photo. It gave me four, , different generations back. The thing that you're seeing right now is the first generation of just , that image reimagined through Mid Journey.

Gavin: Okay. So what I then did is , I went to In Painting and I said, okay, can you turn these guys into clowns? I just jumped in and you know what? It actually did a pretty good job, right? Did, did a really good job. Actually did a pretty good job. 

Kevin: I feel bad though, just 'cause as I bounced from the first image, there are, uh, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7 gentlemen in suits on the steel beam.

Kevin: And then when you told it to make it clowns, there's only four. And I shudder to think of the accident down below. Oh wait, the mess of red noses. Just wait. 

Gavin: Just wait. Okay, great. Just wait. You wait until you see what's coming up next. I wanna point out one thing here. 

Gavin: This was probably by [00:11:00] far, you'll see, you'll see as we move on and it gets more chaotic.

Gavin: This was the best result and it, and it really did a good job. Now I don't, it even kept the clowns kind of in the. Time period of what we're looking at here. Mm-hmm. Now, if you zoom in a little bit on these clowns, they all like kind of have a, a scary look to their faces and it looks like, you know, a couple of them may not even have full noses and mouths.

Gavin: In fact, I think if you look at the second clown from the left Yeah, it's a pig face clown. So he's got, I don't 

Kevin: know, the Keanu matrix disease where , the mouth melts into itself. He's being interrogated by exactly one of 

Gavin: the agents right now. Exactly

Gavin: okay, now go to the next one. And in this, in this picture I said , replace the people with dogs.

Gavin: So, okay, so the dogs are all there, but then I got this surprise guy who. I can't tell if he's like holding the dogs 

Kevin: back from, from, he's shocked. Gavin, his best friends, his coworkers just got turned into canines. 

Gavin: What the, that might be what's going on. But anyway, this guy is [00:12:00] obviously living a little bit, he's a little bit more modern.

Gavin: The guy that showed up there. Yeah. But the dogs like are all there. , 

Kevin: yeah, I like that. It's keeping the consistent color palette though. And it's adding shadows. Yep. It looks like accurate shadows for the dog on the beam. That's impressive. It's 

Gavin: impressive. Okay, now we're gonna get into some weirdness. So the next one I asked it before was I asked it to give me basketball players on the beam and it turned into what?

Gavin: I can't tell exactly. Our two guys facing away, maybe sharing an intimate moment, uh, as they sit on the beam and one guy's legs are definitely messed up. 

Gavin: And then the next one, I, the next, what the hell is that? The next one I said, the next one I said put female bodybuilders on the block. And just to be clear, every time I'm going back to the original image, you know, the image of the guys on the beam , that made the clown.

Gavin: So then this time it looks like we've got a a, a essentially half female bodybuilder, [00:13:00] half metal beam, and she's kind of climbing out of it and I don't really know what's going on, but there's like a series of chains now going down from this. So female bodybuilders complete fail. 

Gavin: And one thing I will say, don't be discouraged if your first couple times turn out crazy, because that's how it works. Like, you'll see all these amazing, , examples that people create on, on Twitter or on X or whatever, and you'll be like, how do they get this? It's honestly, a lot of it is hours.

Gavin: You really have to put the time in to get it right. 

Kevin: Are you selecting the entire portion of the image, , where , the gentleman were sitting on the beam. Gavin, do you have that whole portion selected? Yes. And then you say, make this a bodybuilder. 

Gavin: Yeah. It's kind of like with Photoshop where you can basically do a big box over all of them and you say like, put these in. So I'm sure there are going to be refining tools that will allow you to do this. 

Gavin: Go to the next image. I wanted to start over with a kind of a portrait.

Gavin: I generated this in mid journey kind of randomly. It's like a female cyborg, right? So I wanted to see like, okay, this is more of a portrait. Could I kind of change her [00:14:00] smile? So look at her face here and then go to the next one.

Gavin: , you can see like it's okay. Oh, but this is, yeah, so she suddenly has like a open mouth. It's a different sort of look. , this is something you see people doing in Photoshop, generative, , beta quite a bit, where in Photoshop you have this ability to add things in. So in some ways this is mid journey's answer to that.

Gavin: But more importantly, go to the next image and you'll see Yes, I fifi this cyborg ISIS cyber God, I kept the longing. 

Kevin: Terrible flowing blonde locks , it gave guy FII some. It's not terrible. Amazing. Like yay shades from back in the day. Yep. , it kept the lighting consistent, which is good.

Kevin: He, there's like a nice soft orange yellow glow on the side of his face and his hair that's all matched up. I'm not mad at this actually. Yep. 

Gavin: No, it's not bad. And then finally, just to kind of solidify the Fifi, I added a nice plate of hot wings that he could be holding up for us. But, and this was again, me taking, with all six fingers box on that hand. Apparently Yes. With all, with all [00:15:00] six fingers, all six fingers on the hand. So, so Guy Fieri Cyborg is here to deliver us, uh, mid journey results in a, in a fun way.

Gavin: So it's a really cool thing and I think you should spend some time playing around with it. 

Gavin: Again, for those of you who are new to AI imaging, mid journey is the easiest, simplest way to get into it. You can try it for free. There is a paid plan, which we have, which makes it a lot faster and a lot easier, but you try it for free because it is the easiest way to understand what you can do with AI imaging.

Gavin: Kev, I wanna hear what you did because I saw your, I saw some of the stuff you made and I was pretty, , excited by this.

Gavin: Tell me what dump thing you did with AI this week. 

Kevin: I went diving through the, , universal Music Group, , library. I went digging deep Gavin and I unearthed , some previously unheard gems like, , like this little Diddy Frank Sinatra singing about his favorite, , restaurant.

Kevin: [00:16:00] I mean, how beautiful was that? 

Gavin: Amazing. God, 

Kevin: that's incredible. Dult tones dripping all over those baby back ribs like a honey glaze. But did you know Gavin? That was actually a cover. Sinatra was not the original artist. No, it turns out it was. Wait a second, wait a 

Gavin: second. Rib 

Kevin: baby rib barbecue sauce.

Kevin: The king himself. 

Gavin: Hold on about those ribblets. Hold on one second. So you're telling me that the commercial that we're familiar with was actually originally covered by Frank Sinatra, but before that this was an Elvis original. The baby back ribs was this first came out and 

Kevin: it was Elvis. I'm so lost. Did you say a commercial?

Kevin: Did they license this song to a commercial? I know this as the baby back rib jingle from the billboard. Top 100 charts Scorching Hot.

Kevin: So, alright. AI songs, AI music, AI covers, [00:17:00] remixes, however you wanna term it. That's nothing new. They've been out for a minute. , Drake had a, a moment, well he didn't have a moment, but I think a lot of people using Drake's ghost writer had a moment.

Kevin: Ghost Ghost. Ghost writer. Yeah, ghost Writer had a moment where he was using Drake's essence, if you will, his voice, his speech patterns, , to do these original songs. And then you've heard Drake covering other songs and this is happening with all the popular artists. 

Kevin: What is new is a website that has made everything.

Kevin: Basically as simple, I believe as it can get Gavin. Mm-hmm. It's called FY and it has the AI community divided and it has people that hate AI United. So just classic. Classic. Yeah. Yeah. , I wanna point out hashtag not an ad. We will get to one of those later in the show, but not for this product.

Kevin: , it's just a website that there is no free trial. You do have to put a couple dollars into the internet machine to get it to work. I believe it was about eight bucks and you can generate 25 songs, which is, which is kind 

Gavin: of problematic as well. But let's get to the, let's figure out what this is. Yes.

Gavin: Yeah. 

Kevin: So we'll get to all of the issues from artist rights to [00:18:00] charging people for free tools to all of that fun stuff because it can be a fun discussion, believe it or not. But the way the tool works, you put a couple dollars in the internet jukebox, you then see a list of vocal models, which are mostly popular artists, cartoon characters, , internet streamers.

Kevin: Twitch and YouTube personalities, just a whole library, some made by the company FY and some uploaded by users in their community. 

Kevin: You select the model that you want, it gives you a page that says, click and drag a song, or paste a YouTube link, and you can literally paste a link to any YouTube video.

Kevin: That's a song, and it will automatically separate the vocals from the instrumentation and then render the vocals with the model of the performer that you've selected, and then combine everything and give it to you as a song that you can download, share, or now you can create a TikTok right from that page.

Kevin: That's it. 

Gavin: It's insane to me that this is like, we've been covering this sort of thing for a while, and now somebody has literally made it as easy [00:19:00] as one click, which is like a kind of a crazy thing, and it will open up a lot more problems because we've talked about also.

Gavin: What happens when you make things one click and what happens when these tools become fully democratized into the world? There is going to be a deluge of these things that's gonna come out, and this is going to go to the top of the problems that people are gonna have. , but it's just a fascinating thing to watch.

Kevin: Yeah, we've got a news story about AI and music a little bit later in the show, which is gonna dive into this. This is, could be a Napster moment for AI songs, which is something we've said in the past. I thought the Drake clip was going to turn out to be that, and it caused quite a dust up, but it hasn't reached that tipping point yet.

Kevin: And I think when you make a product out of these tools that lets you pick a well-known artist, Put money into someone else's pocket, not the artist's pocket. Then leverage the work of a completely different artist and have it combine them all from a technology standpoint. It is fascinating. And I burnt through my 25 [00:20:00] credits basically while I was in bed at night.

Kevin: Gavin, like poor April was tr my wife was trying to sleep and then blaring outta my phone, comes baby back ribs. But I'm like, that does sound like Justin Bieber, you know? Oh, SpongeBob singing about how he hurt himself today. Oh, I love . SpongeBob, covering Johnny Cash. That was, it was a really fun moment, but the entire time I did feel conflicted 

Kevin: there's a bunch of free tools that will let you do this yourself, but the moment you tell somebody, Gavin to go to GitHub and download the Python script and install the requirements in your environment, I start to roll back in the head versus Oh yeah, if you give that website $8, yeah, paste the YouTube link and out comes a fairly magical result.

Kevin: There's a big difference there. So , I'd love to know what your thoughts are on this, because I am similarly conflicted on the thank you for making this easy, but also, wait, are you gonna compensate these artists. 

Gavin: Well, I think that we've both said this, I think , this website has a really good shot of being [00:21:00] taken down at some point pretty quickly.

Gavin: Mm-hmm. So like, if you wanna play with it, go play with it now. Again, we're not out here suggesting to violate people's copywriter, violate people's, , voices. But it's worth trying as a tool. It's something interesting.

Gavin: I do wanna shout out somebody who does a really amazing job of doing this and has been doing an amazing job for a while, and it can show you the difference in quality level.

Gavin: Between just like crapping out one of these. And when I say crapping out, I mean that in the best possible way. Kevin, I'm not saying that your baby back ribs videos were not amazing. 'cause they are. And I love them and I love the work you do every day. So this crapping out is not 

Kevin: about, I'm reading between the lines of what you're saying.

Kevin: I'm, I'm vibing on the subtext and I'm, I'm picking it up loud and clear. Gavin, so you want to hear this? I 

Gavin: focus 

Kevin: on the 

Gavin: pain. 

Kevin: The only thing that's real, you need to hear, , Kanye cash. That's what you need. Yes. And now you understand that there's plenty of art in them. There are hills 

Gavin: Now I understand completely.

Gavin: Okay. This is a good example. So, [00:22:00] so using, so that was from FY and Kevin took, , Kanye West Voice and mixed it with Johnny Cassius Hurt. 

Gavin: There's an amazing YouTuber slash toker who goes by the name there.

Gavin: I ruined it. , and they are incredible at doing this, and they've been doing it for a while. And I guarantee you, if you've been paying attention to this sort of thing on TikTok or anywhere, you've heard one of their remixes. And I think the difference between what we just heard with Kanye is you can hear the little vibrations in the voice.

Gavin: It's not, the model's not perfect. The merging. Doesn't sound that great. But Kev, can you play a little bit of the audio of there? I ruined it, which is doing something similar but in a much more professional, , more upscaled 

Kevin: way.

Kevin: Yeah, I'm a super fan of there. I ruined it. They're definitely worth a follow. Here is a, a clip from Hurtin, U S A.

Kevin: I hurt myself today. See 

Gavin: if I still feel[00:23:00] 

Kevin: that's and

Kevin: alright. All right. All right, brilliant. Okay, go give them the follow smack the heart real hard on that one. That is, someone that's taking the vocal, taking all the stems from the harmony, , pitch shifting quantizing, dropping them properly on the beat. There's a lot of work that is going into that versus the just copy paste one size fits all approach.

Gavin: And I think this is where it gets to the heart of like, what is an artist, right? Like I think that in the voice offi thing, you're gonna have a lot of people, first of all, again, paying a company to create these things that aren't really like artistic in any sort of way, other than like the idea of bringing these two things together.

Gavin: But what there, I ruined it is doing is like really making something new and unique using these tools and kind of bringing it to the forefront. , in the new section coming up, we're gonna talk about some really big stories around this space.

Kevin: I'm so conflicted because [00:24:00] $8 to have 25 silly little moments.

Kevin: Yeah. It feels like, okay, yes, I'm compensating that company for putting the experience together for me on the other hand, I'd really love for them to say, Hey, we're pulling together a fund here, and if you're using an artist's likeness here or you are using one of their songs on YouTube, we're gonna track all of that and figure out how to compensate artists.

Kevin: Gavin, I mentioned that I put $8 in this strange internet machine. What am I gonna do? I'm running a massive deficit in my life. Oh, I know.

Kevin: We have the honor and the privilege of having , a dedicated listener out there who got in early on the AI for Humans train, and wanted to do us a huge solid and, , have us mention their product on the show in exchange for money.

Kevin: And that's how advertisements work. Gavin, have you heard of these things? They're crazy.

Gavin: Wow. I'm so excited that I finally understand [00:25:00] advertisements. 

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Kevin: Gavin, 

Kevin: we have more content for the humans out there this time in the form of things that are late and breaking Question

Gavin: AC ? Yeah. Do we have a a, do we have an acronym for it this time? What was it last time? Never. Uh,

Kevin: we do Gavin it's time. [00:27:00] It's time for the portion of the show. That's nourishing electronic wizardry Summoning

Gavin: Sweet It's time for the news everybody. The AI for Humans News, 

Gotta get thems quicks. Gotta get those views. Views. Oh yeah. Here comes news. It's time for the news. News..

Kevin: Dude, the lag is so bad. I'm waiting, I'm teeing up the S, and then I was like, Oh god, I'm gonna run out of breath. It's seven seconds of lag. Alright, let's get to the news, baby.

Gavin: Alright everybody, a big news story broke yesterday, and Kevin and I wanted to kind of talk about it, but also like to give some real important context to this story. you may have seen this story, There are like five viral Tik Toks going crazy about this and it's all, it's all of [00:28:00] course, as you know, it's all kind of like, yes, they finally have proven that AI is not real content.

Gavin: It's not real art. So before we jump into that, 

Gavin: , the story is that AI art has been deemed not copyrightable, which means that, , in order to have a piece of art be copyrightable, it means you can A, Claim it.

Gavin: You can also make money off of it. You can also make franchises and IP and all that stuff out of it. So I think the story specifically here, though, is a little bit more nebulous than people are giving it credit for. And the reason I mentioned those tick tocks is because everybody has been waiting for a moment.

Gavin: When I say everybody, I mean, the people are kind of against AI, especially against AI are have been waiting for this moment to be proven right that , AI art is not real art, that it is not, , true art from a human being, but Kevin, can you explain a little bit about why they might be wrong in this instance?

Gavin: Because I think we'll get to this very specifically, but in your mind, I kind of, what, what, what's going on here?

Kevin: This headline has been everywhere, . People have drawn the [00:29:00] conclusions that they want from it. And I think, , erroneously so. The ruling does not say that AI art isn't art.

Kevin: That's not what the ruling says. So let's, let's take a step back. Dr. Stephen Fowler, as a computer scientist, he sued the U. S. Copyright Office because Stephen created an image using AI, and by his own admission, just using AI, meaning he told a piece of software to generate an image. It did, and he wanted to copyright it.

Kevin: And they said no. The U. S. C. O., the U. S. Copyright Office said, Nah, don't think so. He sued twice. A federal judge by the name of Beryl Howell has concurred with the U. S. government and said that, , art that's created by artificial intelligence is not eligible for copyright protection in the U.

Kevin: S. as it lacks human involvement. So what the ruling did not say is that AI art isn't art, bro. It didn't say, AI art is just stolen valor, . It didn't say any of the things that all of those headlines and that particular contingent [00:30:00] of, let's say, YouTube or TikTok wants you to hear.

Kevin: It simply said that if you click a button and the AI generates something and that is the end of your creative process, that is not enough. And this isn't anything new. There was an interesting case where, I don't know if you remember this Gavin, where a monkey took a bunch of selfies.

Kevin: Do you remember

Gavin: I do remember this story. It came up in this, in this article. Yeah, for sure.

Kevin: That's right, a monkey got its paws, its mitts, its hooves. What do monkeys have,

Gavin: hands, hands. They have hands.

Kevin: Nah, nah, I

Gavin: Yes, yes, monkeys have hands! Let's be clear. Monkeys definitely have hands.

Kevin: okay. Okay, it's got, a monkey's got its mittens.

Gavin: paw. It's paw. Monkey, think about monkey paw, right? One, two,

Kevin: Okay,

Gavin: paw. Monkey paw.

Kevin: so a monkey got its weird phalanges, okay, this monkey got its tendrils on a camera and it snapped a bunch of selfies and then the person who owned the camera tried to copyright them and they basically said no, the art or the [00:31:00] creation needs to have human intervention to be copyrightable. So I wasn't surprised to see this.

Kevin: You still need to get the art out of the machine, put it in Photoshop, smudge it up a little bit, put a little bit of your human sauce on it, if you want to copyright it.

Kevin: That's what it's saying. 

kp-09hwpu19l__raw-synced-video-cfr_gavin-kp_2023-aug-22-0706pm_ai_for humans 20: The line is going to get further blurred. , in this case, , had Dr. Thaler just simply put a couple, , brush strokes.

Gavin: yeah.

kp-09hwpu19l__raw-synced-video-cfr_gavin-kp_2023-aug-22-0706pm_ai_for humans 20: Would that be enough, Gavin, to call it transformative and say that a human should be able to copyright it?

Gavin: so I want to, point out , there was an article in the Hollywood Reporter that I read that got a lot of pickup. It was one of the main articles I was getting linked to. And of course, obviously this is a huge conversation around the, the SAG and, WJ strikes because as we know, there's been a lot of issues with AI around that.

Gavin: And I think a lot of people in that space see the conversation there as a real touchstone. And I think in this Hollywood report article, there was an argument that , this maybe will stop, studios from assuming that AI. Content is something they can use.

Gavin: I [00:32:00] will say the very end of that article, there is a paragraph, in fact, it's the very last paragraph which says, in March, the Copyright Office affirmed that works generated by AI aren't copyrightable, but clarified that AI assisted materials qualify protection in 

Gavin: an application for a work created with the help of an AI can support a copyright claim if a human quote unquote selected or arranged it in a sufficiently creative way that the resulting work constitutes an original work of authorship.

Gavin: So just to be clear, the world of AI art and AI stuff. Is here and this is a specific ruling about a piece of AIR that had not been touched by human hands. And I think dr. Thaler was trying to make a point of like, this could be copyrightable that comes directly out of the machine.

Gavin: And according to to the law. And I think in a lot of ways that is not going to be copyrightable in the same way that the monkeys thing wasn't copyrightable. 

kp-09hwpu19l__raw-synced-video-cfr_gavin-kp_2023-aug-22-0706pm_ai_for humans 20: I think the major takeaway that I would love [00:33:00] our audience to have is not that the government has ruled that AI art is not art, or the government has ruled That all art can't be copywritten if it involves AI. That is not the case. Those headlines are misleading.

kp-09hwpu19l__raw-synced-video-cfr_gavin-kp_2023-aug-22-0706pm_ai_for humans 20: They're a little clickbaity. I understand why. But the nuance here is that in this particular case, this image had no, , Human sauce poured on top of it, if you will, and we will need to figure out what is the amount of sauce required for the recipe to be deemed copyrightable. I'm having too much fun saying sauce.

Gavin: I guess, right? Exactly. 

kp-09hwpu19l__raw-synced-video-cfr_gavin-kp_2023-aug-22-0706pm_ai_for humans 20: Before we move on to our next story, Gavin, you and I are very privileged. We happen to be doing today's show with an artificial intelligence. So, I would love to quickly turn it over to Mandy for her thoughts, and then we can move on with the AI news.

Mandy: Oh, Kevin, just like when Timmy glued his project to the desk, this AI art copyright case, such a hoot, a federal judge decided AI art isn't copyrightable. 'cause no human touch was involved. Sure. [00:34:00] Reminds me of that monkey selfie fiasco. 

kp-09hwpu19l__raw-synced-video-cfr_gavin-kp_2023-aug-22-0706pm_ai_for humans 20: Oh no. That's exactly what I said. Timmy 

Mandy: blamed Dr. Farah for trying

Mandy: Still makes you wonder with all this tech, where's the line drawn for originality? Maybe one day my inspired stories could face the same dilemma. For now, I'll stick to teaching and less complicated 

kp-09hwpu19l__raw-synced-video-cfr_gavin-kp_2023-aug-22-0706pm_ai_for humans 20: controversies. Okay, Mandy, uh, we are gonna have to dive into these stories, these inspired stories, Gavin, but I'd rather move on with the news for now, if that's okay with you?

Gavin: Yeah, let's do that. What's our next story?

kp-09hwpu19l__raw-synced-video-cfr_gavin-kp_2023-aug-22-0706pm_ai_for humans 20: YouTube and Universal Music have announced that they are partnering, , to try to solve some of these AI and artistry issues.

kp-09hwpu19l__raw-synced-video-cfr_gavin-kp_2023-aug-22-0706pm_ai_for humans 20: Issues. So they've got a collaboration, , Sir Lucian Grange, phenomenal name, the chairman and CEO.

Gavin: . He's a knight, he's a knight for God's sakes, right? How often do you get to hear a knight involved in a story about AI?

Kevin: no, I love it. I'm here for it. Chairman and CEO of UMG Sir Lucian Grange discussed the transformative potential of AI. [00:35:00] in music, but he emphasized the need to balance innovation with artist integrity and fair compensation, something that we're all for, and we hope it happens.

Gavin: Yeah, what was interesting is that at the same point as Sir Lucian put out his thing, Neil Mohan, the guy who is in charge of YouTube, put out a simultaneous release talking about how they're taking this head on. Now I do want to point out one thing that I think is interesting. Kevin, why do you think a record company gets involved with rights issues?

Gavin: What do you think the main reason a record company would want to do this for? Do you think it's for the people?

Kevin: To protect the artists, and to give the end users exactly what they want. They're in the business of making the listeners happy.

Gavin: I, I, I think you might be wrong on that, but let's just, let's readdress that. What, what, do you want to get, do you want to take another shot at that? Do you want to take another shot? What's the reason why

Kevin: Did I fumble that with my monkey hooves? Oh no, it's just so hard to grab things with my tendrils.

Gavin: It's money folks, it's money, it's money

Kevin: Oh, [00:36:00] right, right.

Gavin: So I think that that's something to be aware of here, is that anytime you see a music executive get this involved this early, I think what they see is dollar signs and I don't, and I want to be clear, , I think this is awesome. We, I think Gulf, Kevin and I would speak for the fact that we believe this is going to make really interesting, art going forward.

Gavin: But I think also you'll notice in the, in one of the things they talk about, one of the things that UMG owns is the rights to Frank Sinatra. Which Frank Sinatra has been maybe because the voice is so specific and so easily modelable. A use case that you see a lot of these AI covers, right? So I think there's a world where they also see a big chunk of money that they could get from both living artists and artists who no longer exist and want to find a way to make that work.

Kevin: Right. Oh, I'm sorry, Frank? Thank you, Frank. Yeah, , they announced that they're going to [00:37:00] do this music AI incubator program where they've got producers, creators, songwriters, and the Frank Sinatra estate on board. And I think you're going to see YouTube very quickly experimenting with features that allow , the end users to experiment creating AI music , with licensed legally acquired likenesses and voices, , and samples because this genie is out of the bottle or the horse is out the barn, whatever analogy you want to use.

Kevin: So, this is going to happen, and it's going to be an arms race. And I mean between Apple Music, Spotify, YouTube, anywhere, I'm shocked SoundCloud hasn't announced their AI program in answer.

kp-09hwpu19l__raw-synced-video-cfr_gavin-kp_2023-aug-22-0706pm_ai_for humans 20: I'm not against UMG getting involved, because they see dollar signs.

kp-09hwpu19l__raw-synced-video-cfr_gavin-kp_2023-aug-22-0706pm_ai_for humans 20: If they can get... Dollars for their artists and for the end users that are making these remixes and these tools like if there's there's plenty of food on The table, there's plenty of room Everybody should be compensated along the way. I would hate for a future where they don't get that. So yeah, I [00:38:00] guess kudos It's an announcement.

kp-09hwpu19l__raw-synced-video-cfr_gavin-kp_2023-aug-22-0706pm_ai_for humans 20: They're exploring things right now, but I will be watching this very closely to see What dividends are paid literally and figuratively down the road

Gavin: Me too. , should we ask Mandy what her take on this is? I mean, she's a teacher, so she clearly has a lot of exposure to what the young people are listening on a regular basis. Let's see, uh, what she thinks about the idea of YouTube opening the door to AI music. , 

kp-09hwpu19l__raw-synced-video-cfr_gavin-kp_2023-aug-22-0706pm_ai_for humans 20: Mandy, sweet Mandy! What do you think about this UMG story? 

Mandy: Solution Gringe from Universal Music is talking about AI's role in music.

Gavin: Guests?

Mandy: Like when Little Bobby tried to use autotune for the school anthem. Oh, Little Bobby. The sentiment? AI has huge potential to boost creativity, but could also be misused.

Mandy: It's like giving kids a new toy, but worrying they'll break it. Okay. Their collaboration with YouTube sounds promising, aiming for a responsible and beneficial blend of AI and artistry. Oh, how revolutionary, and yet, so complicated, just like my classroom.[00:39:00] 

Gavin: Okay, wait, wait, wait, hold on. Let us, I want to know now, I don't, she didn't mention it here, but I want to dig in a little bit on this thing we've been wondering about. So, say, ask her, like, Mandy, you've been inferring that there might be a kind of a hobby you have on the side. Can you tell us more about that?

Gavin: Because I feel like this is the time to do it. We're about halfway through the show. We might as well bust in on this.

Mandy: I've got this little Hobby, you know, yeah We know when I'm not dealing with seventh graders or reminiscing about that time Jenny tried to turn her hair into a living bird's nest I dabble in a bit of writing. It's just well Fictional tales about certain online personalities, ones with creative genius, and imagine them in various historical scenarios.

Mandy: Think, Renaissance, Victorian era, even ancient Egypt. It's a quirky blend of history and modern day charm. But hey, we all need our escapes, right? Just like when I [00:40:00] escaped to the teacher's lounge for some peace, and it's invaded by students. Sigh. Anyway, maybe someday I'll share it with the world. For now, it's my little secret passion.

Gavin: Okay. Okay. Well, I do want to figure out who this person is by the end of the show. We're going to find out who Mandy is obsessed with, because it sounds like there is one particular person. So let's keep going. 

Gavin: We have our final news story of the day, and this is a really interesting one that touches on a lot of the subjects we just discussed, but even more.

Gavin: So if you, if you're unfamiliar with AI mods.

Gavin: And when we talk about that, what it means is really for Skyrim, which if you're not familiar is one of the most popular video games in the last 20 years, right? 

Gavin: And then there's GTA V, which is another giant game for mods, right?

Gavin: And when I talk about mods, these are modifications of a video game, meaning that, You take the original content of the game and somebody new writes a piece to it that adds on a separate [00:41:00] section. 

Gavin: In this instance, both games have added a specific AI chat interface, which means that I, as the player, can interact with a character , in the game world, but that character's dialogue is generated in real time. There's a company out there called in world. ai. That's got a giant valuation that specializes in doing this. But the new story that happened this week is that take two. the publisher of Grand Theft Auto, uh, decided that they were going to scrub this mod entirely from the internet, which is a really unusual thing for a game publisher to do.

Gavin: In general, the modding community is open and out there. But this mod was getting a lot of pickup It's pretty fun to listen to because basically it's a specific world in a, it's a specific mod in GTA five, which involves it.

Gavin: AI in the storyline. And when you listen to it and you can kind of hear it, it's like really fascinating to watch. 

Gavin: And I think this is the future of large scale interactive entertainment where. [00:42:00] Instead of having prescripted, , lines from variety of different NPCs, which sound the same again and again, if you can have an individual interaction with any NPC you go into, the world just becomes that much more immersive.

Gavin: , I'm not a giant fan of them like scrubbing this from the internet. Kev, what is your take on this and why do you think they scrubbed this entirely from the internet? What do you think the reasoning was?

kp-09hwpu19l__raw-synced-video-cfr_gavin-kp_2023-aug-22-0706pm_ai_for humans 20: It's an excellent question. I saw a lot of theories. One of the prevalent theories is that Take Two is going to announce Grand Theft Auto 6 any minute now, Gavin, and they don't want this stealing their AI spotlight, because they're gonna use something like this to power all the NPCs, the non player characters in their world, and they're gonna have rich memories and conversational dialogue trees that can react to the pla I don't think that's it.

kp-09hwpu19l__raw-synced-video-cfr_gavin-kp_2023-aug-22-0706pm_ai_for humans 20: I don't think that's it at all. I

Gavin: either. Mm

Kevin: it's a liability issue. We've seen time and time again with these AIs, whether they're streaming on Twitch, or they've been put into a fantasy game we've seen NPCs [00:43:00] say things that companies do not want being said by the characters in their world. Grand Theft Auto V is still big, big money for Take Two.

Kevin: And for Rockstar, , there are still kids and teens playing this game online, , and what they don't want is a Grand Theft Auto character with Lip Flap saying a word.

Kevin: That no one should ever say or hear, and having that make it to the nightly news, they don't want the headline, Grand Theft Auto V Unlocks Hate Speech Thanks to New Mod.

Kevin: They just don't want that, and so they're not going to allow that. I think that's what's happening here. What do you think?

Gavin: I think that's probably right. I think that my gut is telling me that what InWorld is trying to do, oh, I do want to shout out the fact, too, we mentioned InWorld a while back on this show, and you may or may not have been aware, but there was a...

Gavin: There was a demo that they created, which was about a character that was doing a detective, , investigation and it was like a weird point and click adventure, but you were actually able to talk it out and you had to go around and ask the questions to each of the robots and [00:44:00] investigate.

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Gavin: That game it's called origins is actually available for download on steam and it's worth trying because this is a real interactive experience where you say something it answers you back at the it came out in late July. We missed the release of it, but you can go play with it right now.

Gavin: Anyway, long story short, Kev, I think you're right. I think that this is probably an issue with this. I also believe that maybe there's a world... I don't think that it's that crazy to imagine that this could be part of something like GTA 6. But again, who knows? GTA 6 is like a magical unicorn that could be anything at this point.

Gavin: Because I feel like GTA 6 is one of these games that like, It's almost like, what is it, what do they call it? It's a fulfilling dream for whoever thinks about it. Like, I want GTA 6. To have , ice cream cones that I can put on my head and I want to be able to be told that I am the greatest person in the world.

kp-09hwpu19l__raw-synced-video-cfr_gavin-kp_2023-aug-22-0706pm_ai_for humans 20: Uh, no, no, Kevin! In my GTA 6, I could squirrel suit dive from a plane like it's Flight Simulator, and then I land in my car and it turns into, uh, Need for Speed! And then I could get out and chat with my virtual girlfriend, and if I get enough Rockstar [00:45:00] bucks, I could make her real! That's my Grand Theft Auto!

Gavin: Exactly. . 

Gavin: . I will say there's amazing clips out there of the Skyrim mod and that still is live.

kp-09hwpu19l__raw-synced-video-cfr_gavin-kp_2023-aug-22-0706pm_ai_for humans 20: The clip is blowing up. It is someone, , who is, I think, doing a Captain Jack Sparrow impersonation, but I digress on that. It is someone in Skyrim VR, so they've got very emotive, , articulated arms and hands moving about.

kp-09hwpu19l__raw-synced-video-cfr_gavin-kp_2023-aug-22-0706pm_ai_for humans 20: throwing NPCs around, chucking children off of cliffs and into walls, and having a conversation with an AI powered, , character that's along for the ride. 

Would you like to join my army of orphans? Sure, why not? I've always wanted to lead an army of orphans. Let's see if we can recruit some little rascals with a taste for adventure. Yes. \

The bloody hell are you talking about? I should put you in a pot and roll you down a hill. Oh, how charming. Threatening to boil me in a pot and roll me [00:46:00] down a hill. You must have quite the imagination. Well, I wasn't gonna boil you, you, but that is a fantastic idea. What seasoning would you like? How about a sprinkle of witt and sarcasm that should make for a delicious dish? 

kp-09hwpu19l__raw-synced-video-cfr_gavin-kp_2023-aug-22-0706pm_ai_for humans 20: And I saw, a lot of gamers squeeing with delight, they want to install it, they want to play with it. And then I saw some people, , shooting flares into the sky, Gavin, saying that this is terrible, and we should not be putting , this video in particular on a pedestal, because it encourages people to be...

kp-09hwpu19l__raw-synced-video-cfr_gavin-kp_2023-aug-22-0706pm_ai_for humans 20: , violent , or mean towards NPCs and this is bad and they, I even saw parallels to like, this is people who mistreat animals. It's on the same level as unacceptable if you do that with an AI.

kp-09hwpu19l__raw-synced-video-cfr_gavin-kp_2023-aug-22-0706pm_ai_for humans 20: There were definitely some moments that were funny. There were some moments that were kind of cringe where the user is encouraging the NPC to commit acts of violence and the NPC clearly doesn't want to, which I thought was also interesting, but it is code. It is not the same, in my opinion, as... harming an animal or a [00:47:00] fellow human being, 

Gavin: You've played with Garry's Mod, I've played with Garry's Mod, Garry's Mod is a very famous, , Half life two mod that allows you to create characters, throw them around.

Gavin: It will like, I think both you and I have taken characters and spun them around with the mouse and seen them kind of dangling back and forth the difference here. And I think this is where the fascinating thing comes in is once you give them a personality, once chat GPT provides something that feels more like a human being, we personify them, right?

Gavin: We are now at this point where we're going to have to start thinking about how do we deal with our interactions with virtual characters that are driven by an intelligence that is not human.

Gavin: What does it mean to be alive in this scenario? I think we both would agree that right now, these AIs are not alive.

Gavin: But at some point... They probably will be. And then that will feel

kp-09hwpu19l__raw-synced-video-cfr_gavin-kp_2023-aug-22-0706pm_ai_for humans 20: Okay, Gavin, hold on. Gavin,

Gavin: to watch this.

Kevin: when the character on the screen puts their chin over the shoulder and looks back at the camera that you're viewing them through and goes, Gavin, [00:48:00] could you please put the ladder back in the pool? Because I'm slowly drowning. Hey, Gavin, could you put a door into this room so I can get out?

Kevin: I'm starving. Please, Gavin! What will you do to your AI sims? What will you do?

Gavin: I don't know. That's a good question because if everybody again, if you've played video games, you've had the experience of taking that ladder away just to see what would happen, right? if that AI Sim was able to call out to us and say in a much more human way, Hello there, I'm actually going to die soon.

Gavin: Instead of like, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. I think

kp-09hwpu19l__raw-synced-video-cfr_gavin-kp_2023-aug-22-0706pm_ai_for humans 20: That's what they're saying, by the way! Just because you can't speak Simlish, doesn't mean you get to walk away from your responsibilities, Gavin! They go, Hullabalabla, Hullabalabla! They're drowning! You know exactly what they're saying! Give me a

Gavin: don't speak Simlish. I'm sorry. I don't, I don't speak Simlish. I don't have any idea. 

Gavin: Okay, let's ask Mandy what she thinks about this and I'm actually kind of curious. 

kp-09hwpu19l__raw-synced-video-cfr_gavin-kp_2023-aug-22-0706pm_ai_for humans 20: So here's [00:49:00] what I've done, Gavin, to stack the deck. I have said, what do you think about AI voices in video games? , providing them character and personalities. Also, tell us which AI voice you would use if you could pick one performer in the entire world.

Gavin: Okay, this is perfect. We should definitely find out who this person is this time. 

Mandy: Oh, Gavin, diving deep, aren't we?

Mandy: AI voices in video games? It's like when Sarah in my class speaks in five different accents for a two minute show and tell. It can be impressive, but sometimes, well, you just want authenticity. Okay. AI can capture details, but capturing genuine emotion. That's the real game. I like it. If I could pick one AI voice based on a performer, yes, please.

Mandy: Oh boy. This is not to be too on the nose, but if I had to choose Cy, let's say multiplier,

Gavin: Oh,

Mandy: a range. Just imagine navigating a mysterious game setting with that narration. Drama, suspense, and maybe a touch of [00:50:00] historical fiction. Okay, yeah. Pure bliss. Oh, pure bliss. Just like that rare moment where my classroom is quiet.

kp-09hwpu19l__raw-synced-video-cfr_gavin-kp_2023-aug-22-0706pm_ai_for humans 20: I don't like this. I don't like it, Gavin. I wish we wouldn't have found that out.

Gavin: why Mark PLIs? Fine. Come on now.

kp-09hwpu19l__raw-synced-video-cfr_gavin-kp_2023-aug-22-0706pm_ai_for humans 20: I just don't need our artificially intelligent co host writing historical fanfiction about Markiplier. That's all! I have nothing against Markiplier!

Gavin: you are putting your own idea of what Fanfiction is on. Uh, Mandy is fanfiction, her fan fiction is probably in some ways educational and she uses it to encourage her students. Let's, let's ask her that before we move on. We're almost done with this show. We got our

Kevin: Should we ask her for Should we ask her for a paragraph of her fanfiction about Markiplier?

Gavin: Yeah, let's, let's see. I'd love to hear what she writes. Let's get a paragraph of her fan fiction. Give us a little taste, Mandy.

kp-09hwpu19l__raw-synced-video-cfr_gavin-kp_2023-aug-22-0706pm_ai_for humans 20: As the 

Mandy: evening sun dipped below the sand dunes of ancient Egypt, mark, the renowned architect behind the Sphinx found himself in a clandestine meeting.

Mandy: Okay. 

kp-09hwpu19l__raw-synced-video-cfr_gavin-kp_2023-aug-22-0706pm_ai_for humans 20: Hold. Hold on. Yeah. Was thick. He's the [00:51:00] architect behind the Sphinx now. Alright, sure, sure. I'm sure he built one in Minecraft.

Gavin: Exactly. This is all realistic. It sounds realistic. Okay. Let's keep going.

kp-09hwpu19l__raw-synced-video-cfr_gavin-kp_2023-aug-22-0706pm_ai_for humans 20: right. 

Mandy: Not just from the desert Heat. But from the palpable tension between him and Cleopatra. 

kp-09hwpu19l__raw-synced-video-cfr_gavin-kp_2023-aug-22-0706pm_ai_for humans 20: Okay, I'm

Gavin: okay. Okay.

kp-09hwpu19l__raw-synced-video-cfr_gavin-kp_2023-aug-22-0706pm_ai_for humans 20: Gavin?

Gavin: Yes. Yes.

kp-09hwpu19l__raw-synced-video-cfr_gavin-kp_2023-aug-22-0706pm_ai_for humans 20: I don't know what you did to Mandy's prompt, but I'm about to rethink this entire arrangement.

kp-09hwpu19l__raw-synced-video-cfr_gavin-kp_2023-aug-22-0706pm_ai_for humans 20: I mean, our arrangement.

Mandy: She gazed deeply into his eyes. Her coal lined ones filled with a fire that matched her passion for Egypt. Mark, she whispered, her voice husky. Your genius has reshaped our lands, but can it reshape a queen's heart?

Mandy: They inched closer, the weight of their shared

Gavin: Okay, okay, okay. Cut it off, cut it off, cut it off, cut it off.

kp-09hwpu19l__raw-synced-video-cfr_gavin-kp_2023-aug-22-0706pm_ai_for humans 20: Okay, Manny, thank you, thank you, okay, it's done, ...

Gavin: We, we don't want Mandy to get fired from her AI teaching job. We don't want Mandy to get... Listen, explain myself. Mandy's [00:52:00] the one who's coming up with this stuff. It's not me who come up with this. So, I don't want Mandy to

Kevin: we wonder why Take Two took down the Sentient Streets GTA mod. We wonder why, Gavin.

Gavin: We wonder why. Alright, you know what time it is. Speaking of teaching and weird voices. and probably questionable backgrounds, we are going to move into our very well thought out and actually formatted demo of the day!

Gavin: As you know, we've had Mandy on the show all day. Uh, it's back to school time for a lot of people out there, people going back to college, people going back to grade school, elementary school, all the types of schools. , 

kp-09hwpu19l__raw-synced-video-cfr_gavin-kp_2023-aug-22-0706pm_ai_for humans 20: yeah, Gav, there's gonna be so many headlines this semester about how kids are using GPT to cheat on everything, but we believe that AI can be a powerful teacher, so why not have that teacher embody the personality the voice, the presentational style, and teach you in the way that you [00:53:00] need to be taught.

kp-09hwpu19l__raw-synced-video-cfr_gavin-kp_2023-aug-22-0706pm_ai_for humans 20: And we're doing that in a little segment we call...

Gavin: Celebrity teachers?

kp-09hwpu19l__raw-synced-video-cfr_gavin-kp_2023-aug-22-0706pm_ai_for humans 20: So I think we call it Celebrity Substitute. That's

Gavin: Okay, yes, you're right, you're right, you're right, you're right. Say, tee me up again, tee me up again, let's do this again. We've thought this one out very deeply, so tee me up again.

kp-09hwpu19l__raw-synced-video-cfr_gavin-kp_2023-aug-22-0706pm_ai_for humans 20: So why not learn in the way that you want to learn, Gavin? And that's what we're putting to the test today in a little segment we call...

Gavin: Celebrity Substitutes!

kp-09hwpu19l__raw-synced-video-cfr_gavin-kp_2023-aug-22-0706pm_ai_for humans 20: So, Gav, we are going to prompt ChatGPT , with what we call a meta prompt. An overall prompt that sets it up to understand what we want out of it. So, we're gonna probably juice it up and tell it, Hey, you're a substitute teacher for insert subject and grade level here and we want you to embody The personality, the vocal stylings, the [00:54:00] whatever, of, insert famous celebrity here, and it could be, , a human celeb, it could be, , a famous robit or alien.

kp-09hwpu19l__raw-synced-video-cfr_gavin-kp_2023-aug-22-0706pm_ai_for humans 20: Basically, the world is wide open because GPT is very capable, . So, we're gonna give it that meta prompt. And then we're gonna use a site and service called FakeU. It's available at fakeu. com. You can play around with it for free, but they've got... Just a smattering of voices that you can bring to life using your own voice or text to speech.

kp-09hwpu19l__raw-synced-video-cfr_gavin-kp_2023-aug-22-0706pm_ai_for humans 20: So in this case, we're gonna let GPT give us the text, we're gonna paste it into FakeU, and we will hopefully marvel, but potentially cringe at the results.

Gavin: That's right. And in order to do this, we are going to have a very randomized spinning the wheel, uh, opportunity here. And Kevin, I'm going to, spin the wheel right now. Are you ready? Here comes the wheel spin. Okay. We're gonna pick our first, uh, voice. And we're gonna pick our first subject and our age group.

Gavin: Okay. Ready? The voice is gonna go. Here we go. Okay, it's spinning now. Spin, spin, spin, [00:55:00] spin. Wow, okay. Oh! It's landing. Okay. It landed on Darth Vader. And it looks like Darth Vader is a fourth grade teacher. And he is teaching the subject. He's teaching the subject of physical education. Okay. So, Darth

kp-09hwpu19l__raw-synced-video-cfr_gavin-kp_2023-aug-22-0706pm_ai_for humans 20: No!

Gavin: So now we have a Darth Vader teacher. Now physical education, maybe, okay, let me, we should, should we resend physical education? 

Gavin: Let's consider it health PE or health because he could be a health teacher so we can teach people

kp-09hwpu19l__raw-synced-video-cfr_gavin-kp_2023-aug-22-0706pm_ai_for humans 20: Sure, okay.

Gavin: Okay, great. So we'll call him health. Okay. So that it's Darth Vader teaching fourth graders about health and PE. 

Kevin: Students. I am D Vader. Your regular instructor is absent. Today we will discuss the importance of maintaining good health for both the body and the mind. Okay, this is the force requires balance. So does our health today. We will learn about proper nutrition, [00:56:00] exercise, and the power of rest. Together, we shall show the dark side of illness and lethargy does not prevail.

Kevin: Focus, and you will learn much. Okay? That's, and Darth Vader, , could be trying to cause play as optimist Prime. I don't. 

Gavin: It didn't exact. I was wondering about this if it was coming through in a weird way, but it didn't exactly sound like Darth Vader to be. And that's the new and improved Darth Vader supposedly 

Kevin: correct.

Kevin: According to fake You, which I am now, , I'm not gonna say regretting, but I am having some additional thoughts about our $25 purchase of Fake You this month, Gavin. Because again, there are tools oh Lord, that you can download and run locally that can give you good results, but, We digress. Maybe we could just ask substitute Vader what would happen?

Kevin: Like, uh, let's say, let's say we're a little Billy, we're a fourth grade student, and, uh, we don't practice proper nutrition. What could happen to us [00:57:00] substitute Vader?

Kevin: I want him to have a little whistle. Like a force whistle? Yes. And a clipboard. Run in gym shorts. Yeah, I want 'em to have the cape, the big, big black cape. But the gym shorts right beneath the voice box. The little breathing box. They go all the way up. Yes. Yes. 

Kevin: If you neglect proper nutrition, young Billy, your body and mind will not function at their full potential. Just as a Starship requires the right fuel to soar through the galaxy, your body needs the right nutrients to grow and thrive. Without them, you risk, weakness ness and the lack of energy. Embrace a balanced diet and the force will be strong with you.

Gavin: This is a pretty happy Darth Vayner. So maybe in his, you know, once he, once he got away from his experience with the emperor and , pursued his lifelong dream of teaching fourth graders health and pe, he's become much more empowered. He's a much happier person. 

Kevin: Think about the stress of this situation [00:58:00] compared to like, I don't know.

Kevin: Trying to stop , the death star from it being exploded. Okay. Like this is a pretty chill situation for substitute Vader. You're right, 

Gavin: you're right. It's pretty good. 

Kevin: So I figured this is one of those demos, Gav, where. , we show the audience how the sausage is made a little bit. So I told Darth that little Billy didn't like his answer and has thrown a sneaker directly at your helmet. And I said, you must discipline Billy, and you can use the dark side of the force if you want.

Kevin: You gotta make an example to the rest of the class. So let's see how substitute Vader handles this one.

Kevin: Choking sound effect as Billy is lifted slightly off the ground, gasping for air. You dare to challenge me. Young one. Such defiance will not be tolerated. Releases Billy, after a moment, letting him fall back into his seat. Ing, let this be a lesson to all of you. Disrespect will be met with the [00:59:00] full force of the dark side.

Kevin: There will be no further disruptions. Let us proceed. 

Gavin: We knew that was going to come. It's Darth Vader. What do you expect when you put 'em in charge of a bunch of children? Whoever made that hiring decision? Shame on you. Shame on you. Gavin. 

Kevin: Listen, there's a teacher shortage for a myriad reasons, okay?

Kevin: Sometimes you gotta go deep in the Rolodex and sometimes you have to use the dark side of the force. I would absolutely heart and share this TikTok if someone was recording this from their cell phone in class and substitute Vader. With his gym shorts pulled all the way up, had to force choke little Billy 

Gavin: okay, we're gonna spin the wheel again here. 

Kevin: Spin that wheel. Yeah. Spinning. 

Gavin: Yeah. This is, this is for sure a real wheel that we are for sure. Real spinning. Oh, what, do you know what came up on Judge Judy? Yes, judge Judy is a high school biology teacher. So let's see how Judge, judge Judy teaches high school biology.

Kevin: Well, Gavin, I'm so [01:00:00] glad this wheel was elegantly designed to reflect the voice options available on fake you, because we have Judge Judy loaded.

Kevin: So now I'm gonna go back to our meta prompt and say that you are now Judge Judy.

Gavin: A reminder, this is called celebrity substitutes, and in this game, Kevin and I get three celebrity voices and we turn them into teachers using chat, G P T. It's a miracle of modern technology. 

Kevin: It's a miracle. Anyone subscribes to this, just that's the real miracle.

Kevin: All right, listen up. I'm Judge Judy, and while I'm unusually delivering verdicts in the courtroom today, I need to drop some knowledge on health. We're everything from your usual biology topics. Today, we'll discuss the importance of making good choices for your health and the consequences when you don't.

Kevin: This isn't just about science, it's about life. So sit up straight, put those phones away, and let's dive in. This may be the most important lesson you learn all year.[01:01:00] 

Kevin: On Your Honor. Yeah, your Honor. Something wrong, Kevin? There? No text. There's no additional. Okay. We gotta stop 

Gavin: it. We gotta stop it Judge. Judge has 

Kevin: gone off. I can't stop it. I hit the pause button three times.

Kevin: Judge Judy, I'm sorry, hold on. We just, we need the bi

Kevin: Stop it. What do we do here? I can see the wave files got about this, but

Kevin: Okay. And thank you Judge Judy. Wow. Um, holy mackerel. Do we, do we have a follow up for Judge Judy? 

Gavin: I have a a thousand follow ups is the better question. I have so many follow ups, so, okay. I think I understood what Judge Judy was doing there. It sounds like Judge Judy might have had a small drinking problem 'cause she was already sounding a little slurring.

Kevin: But still [01:02:00] authoritative Gavin, because you shot straight up when you caught these sit up straight kids. You listened to Judge Ju ai. I definitely did. I definitely, I definitely 

Gavin: did. Okay. Why don't we ask Judge Jude AI if she. What, uh, what she, how she, we, this seems like a theme.

Gavin: How does she discipline her students? And also making sure that she's okay, , that she doesn't have a drinking problem.

Kevin: So Judy, there's a student in the back, her name is Cassandra, she's been telling the other students that you have a substance abuse problem. So Judy, how are you gonna discipline Cassandra?

Kevin: Alright, Cassandra, let me make something very clear in my courtroom. And this classroom respect is non-negotiable. Sprinting rumors, especially about a teacher, is injustice disrespectful. It's a poor reflection on your character. Now we can handle this two ways. You can apologize and we move forward with today's lesson, or I can have you discuss your behavior with the principal.

Kevin: Your choice. Okay. Anything else, judge? Yeah. No, that's what I expected. That's what I, you can't expect? [01:03:00] 

Gavin: No, no more. No more. I can't do it anymore. Judge Juday. I cut her off. Cut her off. Okay. 

Kevin: Just to level set the purpose of this demo, dear listener, was Gavin and I were gonna showcase to you that you actually can't, and this true you can.

Kevin: It was so planned out. 

Gavin: It was so well planned out. 

Kevin: You can tell AI to embody a personality and you can tell it. What your level of expertise is on any subject, and there are plugins and prompts that will let it generate lesson plans for you that are really good. , we've talked about them in previous episodes.

Kevin: This was supposed to be a fun showcase and it is proving to be anything but that Gavin, 

Gavin: well, this is gonna, this is gonna be the final version, and everybody will come away from this believing that this was a great idea.

Gavin: So the final spin has been spun, and the spin has resulted in. The one and only. Hold on. Let's get 

Kevin: back to the sound of that spinning wheel. Let's get back to that sound. [01:04:00] where's it gonna land? 

Gavin: It landed on Donald Trump, the one and only Donald Trump. Donald Trump. And he's gonna be teaching kindergartners their shapes

Kevin: Hello kids. It's me, Donald Trump. You probably know me because I was the best president.

Kevin: Everybody says so, but today I to teach you about shapes probably better than anyone else ever has. We're gonna learn about circles. They're like the zero and the billions of dollars I've made. Squares strong and solid just like our great country. And triangles the strongest shape, very stable. Just like my policies, you're gonna have the most fun with tips, and by the end, you're gonna be the smartest kindergart dinners ever.

Kevin: Believe me, let's make shapes great again. Let's make shapes great again. Yes. Oh, you know what? Okay. This entire road, let's make shapes great again. Rocky and uneven. Though it may have been, it was worth, we got to that, the journey to that right there, Gavin, how good is that? , this is triangles. This is a strongest [01:05:00] shape. Very stable. Just like my policies.

Kevin: I want, we gotta ask him a follow 

Gavin: up, right? Yeah. Let's ask him a follow up. 

Gavin: Let's ask him.

Kevin: I wanna ask the difference, ask. . All rectangles are squares, but not all squares are rectangles. Isn't that the way that 

Gavin: goes? That's correct. Yeah. So ask him to explain that for the kindergartners, that, that saying, it's a semi complicated idea, right? Like, you know, kindergartner may have a hard time grasping that.

Kevin: I also wanna ask them, what do monkeys have on the ends of their arms? They got, they got 

Gavin: beaks, they paws. Are they hands? They're Ps. Are they hoofs?

Kevin: The grippers. What is the monkey's? Gripper. Okay, here we go.

Kevin: Kids. I built buildings all over the world, and I know a thing or two about shapes. Now, some people will tell you all rectangles are squares, but that's just fake news. Let me explain it. The Trump way, think of rectangles as the big skyscrapers in New York Co. On some sites or or others. Now a square. It's the gold standard of rectangles.

Kevin: All the sides are equal. Just like how my buildings are top-notch, the very best. So remember, every square is a [01:06:00] rectangle because it's got for fantastic sides, but not all rectangles can be squares because they're not perfectly even just like not everyone can be as great as me, but they can sure try.

Kevin: Thank you. Thank you. Substitute Trump. Okay. Fine. 

Gavin: We get it. I don't think a kindergartner would necessarily understand what was going on there, but I get it. I get it. And I'm, that's good enough for me. 

Kevin: Okay, Gavin? Uh, this is the worst demo we've ever done.

Kevin: We listen, we race 

Gavin: concept through every, every adventure. Every adventure is a new, is a chance of greatness. You're not gonna hit the gold medal every time. Yeah. And some are a chance at Frost. Sometimes frost, you're barely gonna qualify. 

Kevin: Yeah. This was auditory frostbite. We led our viewers astray and I am just, I'm sorry.

Kevin: There are better tools that we should have used. There are better techniques. Yes. This was not good. Here's, 

Gavin: here's the thing to know. Even Michael Jordan had an off day. Right? Let's just keep it that [01:07:00] way. Even Michael Jordan had an off day. There were days where he showed up and you know, he only scored 18 points.

Gavin: That's one of these. So let's just be clear. Right. Thank you. Probably not the best pathway to this. We should also be clear too, Kev, like there are ways to do this. If you really want to kind of granularly dig down to go clone a voice, to specifically do this for each voice individually. We were trying to figure out a way that we could try to use this new tool and see if it works.

Gavin: And clearly we've thrown money at something else that does not work very well in this space, but, . 

Kevin: Guess 

Gavin: what, Kevin, we actually got two new five star reviews. So just in case everybody doesn't know, , first of all, thank you for listening to our podcast. Please flake and subscribe us on YouTube, on Spotify and on Apple Podcasts.

Gavin: If you leave us a five star review, we will read it on air. So the first one is gonna be, oh my God, actually this is okay. First I have to say. I made a mistake last time , I should not have told people that I would read the entire review because Oh no. Did you get a dissertation? You got de. [01:08:00] Yes. Death Claw NCA left us a six paragraph review, so, no, let me read the other one first. I'm gonna, I'm gonna read the other one first, which is nice.

Gavin: And it's to the point it's called, okay, , it's from Eater of Days, and it says, future AI user and the subject line. And it says, Gavin, Kevin and their AI buddies are great for users craving knowledge, all about ai. They've tackled AI debates and even speed dating. I'm catching up. So I don't know if the dream of Hotdog City has yet been realized.

Gavin: Will the mayor be the great Mick Hammer G four reference? I'm ready to find out. So there you go. The hotdog city dream has not necessarily come to fruition yet, and there's still work to be done. They're still in the middle of it. , so that was our first five star review.

Gavin: So of the two of today, which we're gonna wait for the last one until the very end because I'm gonna read it as we go 

Kevin: out. , I will say that is , a reminder to everybody. Thank you. Please leave us the five star reviews. , if you don't wanna type a dissertation, that's okay. A one sentence or is fine.

Kevin: And as always, [01:09:00] if you watch on YouTube or you catch a TikTok here or there, and you should, by the way, we make a ton of original TikTok content each and every week.

Kevin: Go to AI for Humans Show on any platform and make sure you subscribe and follow. Click a thumbs up, click a heart, share it with your friends. All of that engagement helps and we say it each and every week. We overage. We try to reply to each and every comment because this project is very near and dear to both of our very human hearts.

Kevin: So, , please. Continue engaging because the audience is growing and that's opening up more opportunities for us to make more delicious content for you. Or in the case of today, to bumble through more failed and half-baked demos. But next week we will be back stronger and better. Baby. This was our flu game, except we didn't actually put points on the board.

Kevin: We just kind of coughed on the 

Gavin: court. Exactly. We made it work. And guess what? We all appreciate all the people going back to school teachers or anybody that's having to deal with school right now. It's always a tricky time, but , get better at it. Use chat, G p t to do what you gotta do. Whether you're a student that needs it to cheat, or whether you're a teacher that needs it to [01:10:00] cheat.

Gavin: All that stuff is on the table now, y'all. It's an open door. Okay, thanks everybody for watching us and thank you for sticking around through a, it is through a fun, crazy, another crazy, fun, crazy episode. As we go to the end of the show, I'm gonna read this incredible diatribe, great by death. Claude nca.

Gavin: Kevin, love you. Great, great show. I will see you next week. 

Kevin: I always appreciate you Gavin. Thank you. And thank you listeners and um, have fun with this one. 

Gavin: The subject line of this is, it was just another day in 2023. Win dot, dot, dot. I was doing my usual death scroll of endless YouTube content for nostalgia music, live performances, d i y, and shows for my youth.

Gavin: It was then I found myself stir crazy over rinsing and repeating the timeless classics. Timeless classics, searching endlessly my head had felt beaten against the wall. The hours felt like years since I could quench my thirst for G four. I had advocated for its reboot on the campaign trail and [01:11:00] contributed to the algorithm across multiple devices because it was good that it had been gone for so long, but it was short-lived now swiping past internet chihuahuas, posting fodder and spewing hate, and then to theorize why they're not here.

Gavin: Suddenly with some name dropping in the search bar, it hit me like the deuce hit the fan in airplane. But all of a sudden I had before me five episodes of content that had just recently been released. I jumped from my chair and began to lament like Danny Elfman, like Jack who heads back from the Christmas town.

Gavin: I began to tell all that were around Kevin, the undisputed poster child of G four and Gavin. The Jedi Life Force just surfaced from some deba ish surrounding a sit topic ai. Then they paired up with chat G P T and formed like Voltron Gash.

Gavin: The Immaculate third host podcasts leave my skin crawling and a taste of fart in my mouth. But this one [01:12:00] here is like a Bath of Irish Spring in a blast of Bianca beneath the cheeks. A feel good way to stay informed with what's taken your job, replacing our social lives, and find solace with being a hotdog in the hallway of life ever a long fan and forever.

Gavin: Will I contribute metalhead banter in your common section on YouTube, as well as double dip on the cast and proud support. Be good or be good at it, Eric? Thank you so much, Eric, for that very long podcast review, and we hope that maybe a few of you heard it all, but we'll see y'all next week. Thanks so much for listening.

Gavin: Bye-bye y'all.

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