AI4H EP073

[00:00:00] Big OpenAI news is finally here. Is it summer in the garden, Kevin? Yes, it's actually summer in the garden, Gavin. Strawberry has been confirmed, according to reporting by The Information. Gavin. Gavin. Kevin, I think it's summer in the galaxy. Gavin is enamored with Orion, the rumored next big thing from OpenAI.

We will have everything you need to know in a moment. And Google's new Game 2 Gen shows us what video games may look like in the future. Also, Cursor AI is proving that anybody can be a coder, whether you're 8 years old or you're 28 years old, like me. Just a few years older than me, Kevin. It's AI for Humans!

gavin_1_08-28-2024_120809: Welcome, welcome everybody. This is AI for Humans, your weekly guide into the wonderful and wild world of generative AI. I'm Gavin Purcell and across from me, across the universe is Kevin Pereira. Kevin, how are you?

kevin_1_08-28-2024_120809: I'm hanging out on Orion's belt, baby. I'm his [00:01:00] buckle.

gavin_1_08-28-2024_120809: Good luck. Good luck. You

kevin_1_08-28-2024_120809: I'm good, man. I'm so excited. We have real juicy new stuff to get into this week.

gavin_1_08-28-2024_120809: that's right. A couple of quick things. Our discord is now open. That will be the first link before the show. We wanted to tell everybody that come join us. Our discord is open to everybody. Our patrons have a very special little section for themselves, but everybody come in there. We'd love you to come and chat with us.

gavin_1_08-28-2024_120809: We share a bunch of AI news and tools and other stuff.

kevin_1_08-28-2024_120809: You know the Black Friday b roll of the security gates swinging open and everybody stepping on heads and necks? That's what it was like when we opened our Discord. So, if you get over there, just be careful. If you see a flaming barrel or a shopping cart flying through with some like, Toilet paper in it that is also burning for some reason just stay calm.

kevin_1_08-28-2024_120809: It's a friendly community. Everybody's there to help

gavin_1_08-28-2024_120809: That's right Kevin. Alright, we have to get into that big opening I knew so it's time. It's time. It's time for the news

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gavin_1_08-28-2024_120809: Okay, Kevin This was actual giant news that dropped yesterday and shout out to the information that is doing a very good job of covering the AI space they have confirmed the existence of strawberry, which is the product that open AI has been working on for a while. And they have talked about the next generation open AI model, which is right now codenamed project Orion. We're going to get into a lot of this stuff. I want to kind of break down a little bit in piece by piece as to what this news means, and then we'll kind of talk about what it might mean for the overall AI space at large.

gavin_1_08-28-2024_120809: So first Kevin strawberry. Is the reasoning model that we have heard a lot about. This is based on the Q star paper from a long time ago.

gavin_1_08-28-2024_120809: And the interesting thing here is that according to this article, it, the, the kind of top line of it is, is that it may take a little longer to get a result out, but it is much better at math, which is something we've been talking about for a while. And will probably be significantly less hallucinatory, [00:03:00] which is of course when the AI lies to you.

kevin_1_08-28-2024_120809: It would make sense that if Strawberry is a reasoning engine, Gavin, that responses would be slower. It's going to think about what it's going to say, unlike me on the show. It's going to say it, and then it's, you know, Going to think about what it just said and make sure it's correct.

kevin_1_08-28-2024_120809: Unlike both of us on the show. So it would make sense that the model is going to take a little bit longer, but I love where the little tidbits though, that they might be using strawberry right now to distill other models or create synthetic training data, meaning that they're confident enough. In this mixture of experts or Q star or strawberry by any other name, they're confident enough in its capabilities that they think it can generate quality data, synthetic data, fake AI data.

kevin_1_08-28-2024_120809: That's good enough to train a model.

gavin_1_08-28-2024_120809: yeah, and I think there's two things we should just dive into there for people out there who may not be experts The first thing is that kind of mixture of experts to star idea Which is basically at the very simplest level is that the model kind of asks itself? Is this the right answer right and [00:04:00] it's the idea that like I'm gonna try to find a Version of me that is an expert in this thing.

gavin_1_08-28-2024_120809: I'm going to ask that and double check, which is also why it may be taking a little longer. And then I think the synthetic data part, Kevin, is something we should dive into for our audience that might not be like AI experts. And I don't think this will bore the people that love AI stuff too.

gavin_1_08-28-2024_120809: Cause I think it's a really exciting thing. , can you explain why synthetic data is going to make a big difference for these next generation models?

kevin_1_08-28-2024_120809: , all of the clamoring over the data sets, Gavin, that these large AI companies scraped everything available out there, that's That's how they train, right? They grab as much data, as much points of reference as they can, whether that's text, imagery, sound files,

kevin_1_08-28-2024_120809: they just go and they scrape and they trawl and they grab often without permission and they jam it all into a

gavin_1_08-28-2024_120809: Sounds like a three year old, right? A three year old in the kitchen with the cupboards open. It's like, I got everything, man!

kevin_1_08-28-2024_120809: , Sam Altman's in your pans, man. He's spilling Ajax all over the floor. Sam, stop. But that's how they train these things. And so there's, there's two schools of [00:05:00] thought. It's like, one, eventually they're gonna scrape all of the data that is available and then they're out and that is that and if you believe that that could be the case, then where's the next sort of data coming from? And if you just need a bunch of math problems to train on, or a bunch of Shakespearean esque sonnets well, synthetic data could be the jam.

kevin_1_08-28-2024_120809: You synthesize conversations between people, thought experiments, poems, scientific papers, and as long as the model can reliably. say, Oh, this is factually correct. Well, then that data is just as good as a Reddit post. Just as good as a blog spot article.

gavin_1_08-28-2024_120809: and the argument for this always was that the synthetic data could break down the entire system

gavin_1_08-28-2024_120809: that that eventually would not be good enough data to scale and from what this article sounds like, it is really going to kind of take us to this next level. The other thing I think we should jump into Kevin here is the tease of what they're calling Project Orion and Project Orion is maybe

kevin_1_08-28-2024_120809: Did you [00:06:00] slightly affect your voice as you were about to say Project Orion? Because it seemed like you were going to be like, we have to talk about

gavin_1_08-28-2024_120809: Project

gavin_1_08-28-2024_120809: Orion. Let me tell you about my Project Orion.

kevin_1_08-28-2024_120809: Oh, I didn't know Project Orion had a smoking jacket and a

kevin_1_08-28-2024_120809: bubble pipe. All right. Hit me

kevin_1_08-28-2024_120809: with

gavin_1_08-28-2024_120809: Orion is my stage name, Kevin. I actually, uh, work in the, AI film industry. So, quickly, Project Orion is the rumored next model from OpenAI. And again, they're the information publishing this very trustworthy source. Sounds like this is where they're going next. And we don't really know, Kev, if this is GPT 5, if it is GPT 6, or what it is, but it, strawberry is being used actively as part of it.

gavin_1_08-28-2024_120809: One thing I do think that's really important to point out here, there's all these kind of like rumors of the AI, , influencer types in the world. And there's been all these kind of people that have popped up. We talked about Strawberry Man and all these different people on the show who have kind of Base these rumors on what open AI is doing next.

gavin_1_08-28-2024_120809: There's a guy named Jimmy apples. If you're not familiar, if you're not deep in the AI world, you [00:07:00] probably don't know that name, but there's a, there's an ex account named Jimmy apples who has been thought of as an open AI insider or somebody that's very close to somebody at opening. I, who a year ago tweeted a picture out of Orion's belt and Orion's belt is a constellation Jimmy Apples tweeted out. let's conquer the cosmos mood. Curious Jimmy with the Orion constellation. So this is not a coincidence. And so obviously they have been working on it this for a while. My theory is that like maybe this is where that project kicked off, but that shows you how long this stuff takes and we still don't know what's in the hopper versus what's ready to go.

kevin_1_08-28-2024_120809: When the model is finished or even close to finish, they're poking and prodding, they're releasing it for red teaming efforts to make sure that it's safe or guard railed in a line. We do know from the information article. That the National Security

gavin_1_08-28-2024_120809: yes

kevin_1_08-28-2024_120809: have actually

kevin_1_08-28-2024_120809: taken a look at whatever Strawberry slash Orion might be.

kevin_1_08-28-2024_120809: So, yeah, it would make sense if Jimmy was tweeting this out a year ago, that [00:08:00] this model might have been nearing its completion , which would also tell you that probably GPT 6, they're gathering data for as well. Or they're using strawberry to generate the

gavin_1_08-28-2024_120809: Kevin. I want to take you back. I want to do a little Road trip back to about three weeks ago to when we had a show we didn't interview somebody we made some predictions for what? Was gonna happen this fall. I'm just wanna make sure do you remember that show where we made some predictions for what happened this fall?

kevin_1_08-28-2024_120809: They, I mean look, they all kind of blur together. I

gavin_1_08-28-2024_120809: Yeah, well, no, no,

kevin_1_08-28-2024_120809: kind of samesy

gavin_1_08-28-2024_120809: So in that show, I want to say what I predicted, which I still think is the case is I do believe there's going to be a new model drop by open AI before the end of this year. I really think that

kevin_1_08-28-2024_120809: after the election.

gavin_1_08-28-2024_120809: the election that that is, I think, weirdly, whether it matters or not, it matters to the world.

gavin_1_08-28-2024_120809: I think there's a two year anniversary of chat GPT coming up, and it is, I think, post election. If not, it's very close. I think we're going to get something new from open AI. And the reason I say this, and again, I've reiterated this, but the reason I say this is [00:09:00] open AI is now basically dead. Even with a lot of these other companies, even Google Gemini has kind of caught up in a way, big way, but between Sonnet , and Grok too.

gavin_1_08-28-2024_120809: I think opening eyes been sitting on whatever the next iteration of what they've working on for a while and I think from a business standpoint, and by the way, this information article was business specific. It talked about the idea that part of the reason why this stuff is being shown and talked about now is because they need to raise more money.

gavin_1_08-28-2024_120809: I think they are ready to plant the next flag, and we will see if it is the leap that we think it could be, or if it's a minor leap, or if it feels like meh, but I do think something big is going to be coming this fall from OpenAI.

kevin_1_08-28-2024_120809: I fully agree. That's why I've said it many times. And, , I don't even remember what I predicted in this show. It probably was like, nothing's coming out until 2028.

gavin_1_08-28-2024_120809: That's exactly what it was. We should move on, though. We have a couple other really big stories this week. Kevin, something just came up yesterday that I think, Both you and I were kind of blown away by is this really cool research paper that dropped from Google called game to Jen and [00:10:00] game to Jen. The basic understanding of this is that they took a doom, the doom video game, trained an AI model on it and essentially allow you to play an endless version in real time.

gavin_1_08-28-2024_120809: It's only 20 frames a second, but it's essentially making up the game as it goes along. I don't think this is getting enough hype for what it is. Kevin, I, when you saw this, what was your first experience and thought?

kevin_1_08-28-2024_120809: I was blown away, obviously. , I'm a huge fan of Doom. It was largely formative in my,

kevin_1_08-28-2024_120809: uh, professional and

gavin_1_08-28-2024_120809: We know you want to say some nice things to John Carmack. We can cut it out if you like.

kevin_1_08-28-2024_120809: I would never speak directly to God.

gavin_1_08-28-2024_120809: okay. Okay. God,

kevin_1_08-28-2024_120809: I would go through Romero or something, one of the apostles. , that's all getting cut out. No

gavin_1_08-28-2024_120809: No, it's not leave it staying

kevin_1_08-28-2024_120809: It's all gone. It's all gone.

kevin_1_08-28-2024_120809: When I first saw it, I was definitely impressed. So the way this one works is basically they took stable diffusion, which most people know as being a still image generator. , it's a very small resolution and that's how they're able [00:11:00] to, , Produce enough per second to give you the feeling like you're watching or playing this interactive game But that said it accomplishes the task of emulating this game in a remotely believable way , i'm not sure.

kevin_1_08-28-2024_120809: It's the right approach we might see something that's more like a , A runway or a Sora or a cling like video model being the one that wins out because it might have a better grounding of physics and understanding of the way particles interact. But regardless, it was really, really cool to see and it's not hard to imagine a future where that becomes high def and it becomes 120 frames a second and you're on the fly spitting out new things for the game engine to render.

kevin_1_08-28-2024_120809: And it's just sort of doing

gavin_1_08-28-2024_120809: well, let's like we talked about time travel Let's time travel like three to five years in the future Like there's a real world based on the kind of cloud infrastructure that now exists out there for video games where? You could see a game that maybe there's an underlying engine that's built, but then on top of that engine is built this idea of this endless player, right?

gavin_1_08-28-2024_120809: [00:12:00] And you could spin up, instead of having to wait for a developer to create a game that is like, I don't know, say you want to be on a seesaw in Fortnite, because that sounds like an amazing game, Fortnite developers, go make competitive seesaw. But if you wanted to do that, you would, instead of having to wait for somebody to develop it or develop it yourself, just kind of like speak it into existence and it might know the basic physics of it.

gavin_1_08-28-2024_120809: It may know basic things and then you could just like go into that thing. It does feel like this kind of always on world simulator that the, holodeck is promised.

kevin_1_08-28-2024_120809: One of the wild things, if you watch the video and if you're getting the audio only, make sure you check out the YouTube, , or even on Spotify. Sometimes we post the videos there. When you're watching this kind of doom play out. It does not know necessarily what doom is. It doesn't know that when the gun shoots at a barrel, that the barrel is actually an explosive barrel, even though the barrel explodes, it's just sort of interpreting that from all of the hours of like, they made AI agents to play the game, Gavin, and capture all of the video content and the controls to sort of feed that [00:13:00] into this model.

kevin_1_08-28-2024_120809: There was another example of this from years back. Do you remember? It was called, I think it was Gan Theft Auto.

gavin_1_08-28-2024_120809: Yeah, totally I saw you in

kevin_1_08-28-2024_120809: it was like,

gavin_1_08-28-2024_120809: Theft Auto. Yep

kevin_1_08-28-2024_120809: Yeah, real bad footage of a car like kind of wonkily driving down a highway and things glitch around and you're looking at it going Well, this looks like a broken game But when you take a step back and realize that it doesn't even know it's a game.

kevin_1_08-28-2024_120809: It doesn't really understand that concept It's just sort of hallucinating this road in this car with physics. That is where things can really spiral when you start to future cast, what these things look like. Super exciting. I love it. Not the way I want to play Doom. Shout out to the remaster, which was just released.

kevin_1_08-28-2024_120809: But, , but still very, very

gavin_1_08-28-2024_120809: Speaking of interesting, you know, what's interesting is subscribing to our YouTube channel, which you should do right now. If you're

kevin_1_08-28-2024_120809: so glad you said it.

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kevin_1_08-28-2024_120809: . Know that every day of my [00:14:00] existence is just millisecond to millisecond pain and suffering, Gavin. But much like the ringing of a bell, which sprouts wings for an angel, when someone subscribes or likes, A video on this channel, or they leave us a five star review on Apple podcasts, or if I may, they go and subscribe to our Patreon and stuff 5 in our tip jar.

kevin_1_08-28-2024_120809: I got to tell you. I think it's worth taking an additional breath. You're literally keeping me on this plane of existence, so please,

kevin_1_08-28-2024_120809: support us so I can

gavin_1_08-28-2024_120809: right now. Let's take a collective breath. No, wait, we're gonna do in three two one. Okay, three two one Okay, all right.

gavin_1_08-28-2024_120809: The next big story we have here is the rise of cursor AI. So over the last couple of weeks, you, if you were online, you may have seen a lot of people, especially in the AI space, talking about cursor AI and what cursor AI is, is a programming tool that essentially.

gavin_1_08-28-2024_120809: provides an a real language LLM to be [00:15:00] able to connect directly to the coding so you can actually ask it in real language to add things to your code. And Kevin seems to be having like a real chat GBT moment right now. In fact, somebody pointed out that the searches for cursor AI have kind of gone off the charts.

gavin_1_08-28-2024_120809: , Andres Karpathy also came out this week and talked about what a moment this was going to be. I know you spent some time with it. It does feel like we're entering into a text to code moment.

kevin_1_08-28-2024_120809: Truell, who's the CEO of the company said, it's like Google docs for programmers, , I liken it to like mid journey for coding because , that helped me kind of snap into what this is.

kevin_1_08-28-2024_120809: I am not a coder. I've used AI to write snippets of code in the past. And if I were to ever tell anyone that that is something that they could do, They would be daunted by the notion of like, where do I even copy and paste this stuff to begin? And how do I deploy a thing? And I got to go over here and chat with this and then copy and paste over here.

kevin_1_08-28-2024_120809: Like cursor solves that. And their goal is to automate 95 percent of an engineer's job, Gavin, so that they can focus [00:16:00] quote on the creative aspects of coding. That's what they're setting out to do. And from my limited, again, not necessarily a professional codesmith from my experience

gavin_1_08-28-2024_120809: called now? Codesmiths?

kevin_1_08-28-2024_120809: what I'm calling.

kevin_1_08-28-2024_120809: Yeah, code whisperers.

gavin_1_08-28-2024_120809: Carmack, what do you think about that term? Do you like codesmiths?

kevin_1_08-28-2024_120809: No, it's it's really an incredible tool. And so to level set it is a coding environment Gavin , most of these environments are very basic, you can create files, you can write the code within them, you can compile them, and then if you have like a terminal window where you can run them.

kevin_1_08-28-2024_120809: If this all sounds like spaghetti at the wall to you, I understand, let me stick a meatball in there, let me get to some goods. There is a window off to the side which can seamlessly connect to, you. Chat GPT,, you have sonnet support built in there. You can even plug in different models.

kevin_1_08-28-2024_120809: You can even connect it to grok for super fast token generation. And what this means is that when you're staring at a blank screen, having zero coding experience in the past, you can literally ask the AI off to the side. How do I start to [00:17:00] build a website that does anything? And I'll go, Oh, okay. Well, here are some thoughts and here's what you could do.

kevin_1_08-28-2024_120809: And I can go, okay, but. Uh, do it for me? And it goes, got it. And it will literally spit out. Here's your folder structure. Here are the files that you need to make Here's how you make them and then when you're ready to actually build those files you press a button It's going to suggest the code You can click a button to apply it to that file It will intelligently go in and look at like if you're trying to bug fix something it will look at okay Where was the bug?

kevin_1_08-28-2024_120809: Here is the suggested fix you as a human no longer have to hunt for that line to put it in It just automatically does it and I was Building apps and tools, which we'll get into later. But I was doing them in what to me felt like real time and they were working. So I liken it to a mid journey thing for people because most, most people have like experience trying to hand draw something, maybe they draw a hand Turkey, but then mid journey, turn them into an artist.

kevin_1_08-28-2024_120809: Well, if you can speak what you need from the machine into existence, cursor [00:18:00] will help make that happen from what I've seen.

gavin_1_08-28-2024_120809: Yeah. And a really good example of this is, , McKay Wrigley put up a video a couple of days ago where he basically built a dashboard, a financial dashboard, very simple one, but with his voice only.

Less than five minutes, I'm going to code a fully functional dashboard in cursor using only my voice. We're going to be using this tool called better dictation to do this whole thing. As you can see here, I have a blank dashboard page. Let's go ahead and get started. Okay. So what I'm going to do is I'm going to open a cursor composer.

And I'm going to do control V. I need to make a dashboard component. It should have a nice sidebar on the left. It should be able to show charts in the middle and on the right. It should have an insights page. Okay, we're going to send this off.

So let's see how this does. Um, we're going to basically hand off this task using voice to cursor composer and see what it does. Okay. So it's already getting to work.

gavin_1_08-28-2024_120809: So he used voice and cut and paste a few things, but it was able to help him build a pretty simple financial dashboard.

gavin_1_08-28-2024_120809: , if you're on the YouTube, you can see it here. We'll put it in the show notes if not, but yeah, Kevin's going to talk a little bit more later on in the [00:19:00] show about what he did with this. It's a really cool thing.

gavin_1_08-28-2024_120809: Another interesting thing that has to do with kind of simple coding is that , Claude's artifact program, which we have talked about on here before, which is like dead simple coding that you can do within Claude and create a program is now available on iOS.

gavin_1_08-28-2024_120809: Kevin, which is actually really fascinating. I was really blown away by seeing. There was a cool, , somebody created in real time, a tip splitting program that somebody would have paid for before, where you could see how much who has to pay, what, and like, that was just a prompt somebody put

kevin_1_08-28-2024_120809: Do you see doodle jump?

gavin_1_08-28-2024_120809: Yeah. They,

gavin_1_08-28-2024_120809: somebody

kevin_1_08-28-2024_120809: like doodle

kevin_1_08-28-2024_120809: jump and Mario. Yeah. And it's basic primitive shape. It's so wild to think of a world where if you're sitting around the table, it's like, well, do we have to find an app? To do this thing, to download it, to sign up, to get it to function. Or do we just whisper to our AI assistants a year from now, make me an app that does insert task here and it does it

gavin_1_08-28-2024_120809: Yeah, I mean, that's crazy. And now granted, like maybe it won't even be make me an app. It'll be , just do this for us and it will come out automatically. But in the backend, it's making that [00:20:00] app either way. What's crazy is I think when you put in the power of your hand and you see, Oh, I can take this with me and go anywhere, it makes coding something that feels cool.

gavin_1_08-28-2024_120809: Creative and unique in the way that it didn't before because when you think about coding before it's always kind of like sitting down in a room Hammering out a bunch of stuff trying it out trying to go back and forth if you do that on your phone as you're walking Around like if the average person could do that.

gavin_1_08-28-2024_120809: I think it opens the door to just so many more people

kevin_1_08-28-2024_120809: well, what if in the palm of your hand, Gavin, rather than a wizard esque coding assistant, you had a It's just a one tap tool for misinformation and disinformation that was going to lead to societal collapse. And let's say you release it in the new Pixel phone because you're Google, I can't see anything bad happening there or anybody having a negative take on that.

gavin_1_08-28-2024_120809: No, no negative takes

gavin_1_08-28-2024_120809: so what Kevin's talking about here is a conversation that started really with a post from Chris Welch, a great writer of the Verge, showing how Google's pixel AI, the ability to add stuff to, to, to your own photos would allow you to add things [00:21:00] like a car crash in the middle of a Brooklyn street or potentially drugs next to somebody, and that this would open the door to, AI fakery at a level that is much smaller, but much more dangerous maybe because if it's somebody's particular personal photo, maybe it's more believable.

gavin_1_08-28-2024_120809: But then it jumped into a much larger conversation that the verge continued, which was the idea that, Hey, there's a reason why we're writing about this particular AI type of stuff versus what is doable in Photoshop. Because a lot of the people came out and said, look, you could do all this stuff in Photoshop years ago.

gavin_1_08-28-2024_120809: I think in my mind, I understand what the verge is trying to get out here. I understand the complexity and the simplicity of doing this, but a little bit, it is a hand ringy to me because it's the same sort of argument , and I'm having a hard time understanding , in this longer article, they put out , Not defending this a little bit, but talking about it.

gavin_1_08-28-2024_120809: They discussed like, well, you have to have a computer to do Photoshop and blah, blah, blah. And I just don't know if that is [00:22:00] enough of a reason to be like, yeah, AI is so much worse than these things. I get where they're coming from. It's, it's a much, it's a problem that's going to grow over time for sure.

kevin_1_08-28-2024_120809: Yeah, but, do we want to blame AI specifically for that? Look, you can make this stuff in Canva. I tried last night, by the way, and it looks like Dr. Wesley Snipes, my sweet little doggo, had quite a bender in the middle of his hike, Gavin.

kevin_1_08-28-2024_120809: Two

kevin_1_08-28-2024_120809: beers?

gavin_1_08-28-2024_120809: problem. Well, he had a beer on top of mini beer on top of a beer, which is

gavin_1_08-28-2024_120809: like a, it's like some sort of a boiler maker, which is pretty impressive.

kevin_1_08-28-2024_120809: Yeah. Yeah. Look for a dog. The fact that he was able to order that and not spill a drop while hiking. Very impressive. And we're not going to talk about the mountain of powder at his paws point is , what is the issue here is the issue that it just got too easy, too quick. Or is it because AI is involved because you could do this with Photoshop.

kevin_1_08-28-2024_120809: So is the issue that this stuff exists or is the issue that now the barrier is it's a couple hundred dollar phone versus a couple [00:23:00] hundred dollars software license. And then a two minute YouTube tutorial video. Like that's where I, I really struggle. Cause I'm not denying that. This isn't a problem. I'm not denying that misinformation, disinformation, manipulated media isn't a problem, but it has been a problem for years.

kevin_1_08-28-2024_120809: So , if we're only now going to pretend that it's suddenly a much bigger issue, well, great, but let's not point the finger at AI for that. Let's just, confront the fact . That social media is astroturfed that manipulated imagery exists all over the place and has for the last few years, right?

kevin_1_08-28-2024_120809: I mean,

gavin_1_08-28-2024_120809: I I agree. No, no, I think that I think that's right and I think it's ultimately a thing where There is an AI boogeyman out there that we've talked about in the show the idea that kind of AI Creatives especially really despise the idea of AI content or things manipulating AI I do think this is a a way to Jump on that bandwagon slightly and again not to say this isn't a problem, but it has been a problem before I think , this transitions us into a really great video from Hank [00:24:00] Green. One of my favorite creators, one of the original vlog brothers, him and his brother John, made a video about , Google training, , on AI.

So I think it's fair to say that the existing TOS, according to YouTube's lawyers, allows them to train AI models. So, when Neil says that there are some creators who have licensing contracts that allows YouTube to train AI, I think the creators in question are the folks whose license is specified by the standard YouTube Terms of Service, AKA, YouTubers.

Now, the long thing, I think, is the best case, but it is long, and it requires me to explain to you the entire mess of the current state of data collection for AI training data. But I think it makes a pretty good case that Google is using YouTube videos to train AI. Sorghain, go throw it.

gavin_1_08-28-2024_120809: And he also was very clear in this video, like a, he feels crappy for having this happen to him, but to that, it's also clear to him that Google has done this, even though they have not come out that Google is training their own models on AI, which I think for him.

gavin_1_08-28-2024_120809: With this kind of relationship he has with [00:25:00] YouTube, which is where , he and his brother have really made their businesses is a conflicted thing. And Kev, I just wanted to mention this cause I think everybody should go watch this. I think it's a really good counterpoint argument to this idea that AI is great and we're going to do everything.

gavin_1_08-28-2024_120809: It's like, you do have to remember the independent creators, especially, but something that really came to my mind when I watched this video was, and I feel for these people who have been sucked up into this training data. Is the difference between the coder response to their people's code being used in AI data versus a creator's response.

gavin_1_08-28-2024_120809: When I say creator, obviously coders are creators as well too. But you know, GitHub , is a place where a lot of people have written a lot of code themselves and they got sucked up into this model in a lot of ways, but it is a slightly different take on. what it means to be part of this kind of collective experience.

gavin_1_08-28-2024_120809: Like, do you have a thought on like why that is?

kevin_1_08-28-2024_120809: It's a really, really good question. Look, artists aren't a monolith, right? We know that there's a bunch of different voices and [00:26:00] backgrounds and expressions and experiences. I do think coders are artists, . So I, I agree with that sentiment. I know that there are coders that are mad.

kevin_1_08-28-2024_120809: There are people that are actively fighting and saying we shouldn't be publishing things to get hub and . So there's definitely a contingent that upset that is upset. And I'm wondering if it's because of our particular bubble that we're in mostly the media and I'll say traditional art space that we're seeing it more.

kevin_1_08-28-2024_120809: We're being exposed to it more. But if the thesis is true, that there's maybe, let's just say less anger about these generative models. Could it be because of , the spirit of open source that runs through these communities? Or the fact that, you know, libraries are made available so that if today you wanted to build an app, you are immediately bolting on the works of others.

kevin_1_08-28-2024_120809: You stand on the shoulders of all these giants. To make sure your app runs in a , certain ecosystem and has certain capabilities, you're bolting in other people's stuff. So I wonder if, if that might play a role here, . And on the open source of it all, you're used to giving it away. Cause you want people to find the bugs, improve it, jam along [00:27:00] as a community.

gavin_1_08-28-2024_120809: it's interesting because I think in part in the art side on the creative side, people are doing that as well. But it often is like much more subtle, right? Like that. You don't really say the influences that you have when you put a new piece out necessarily, but it can come across right? Like, You might love Kurosawa and , there's a couple of shots in your film that look like Kurosawa shots, but you're not saying in the code of the film that this was a Kurosawa code.

kevin_1_08-28-2024_120809: Yeah, check the readme.

gavin_1_08-28-2024_120809: Yeah,

kevin_1_08-28-2024_120809: use the framing.

gavin_1_08-28-2024_120809: I do. I thought it was just interesting. Interesting take overall. And obviously. Yeah. It's really important that we kind of covered these kind of other conversations that are going on outside of just the most exciting parts of it all.

gavin_1_08-28-2024_120809: But the other big story, Kevin, this week, which I do think we have to touch on briefly, is in my home state of California, there is a state bill, state bill 1047.

gavin_1_08-28-2024_120809: Which is turned into a big conversation point because it aims to regulate AI and, and, you know, in the same vein of what we just discussed about the idea of what AI [00:28:00] can do and what it can't do, what sort of bad actors can get a hold of it, um, it's a pretty big talking point right now, such a big talking point that Elon, either your angel, your devil,

kevin_1_08-28-2024_120809: , it doesn't take much for the, for the eel of Elon to come out of his little coral cave and attack and tweet something into the world.

gavin_1_08-28-2024_120809: though, Elon, actually came out and said that the he's decision to support the bill is a tough call and will probably make some people upset, but he thinks that it should pass. He said for over 20 years.

gavin_1_08-28-2024_120809: I've been an advocate of AI regulation and And we regulate any product technology that is a potential risk to the public. So, I mean, this is like the conversation of our time and it's kind of happening in California first in part because this is where a lot of the AI companies are based. But Kevin, I know there are some conspiracy theories out there as well about this Elon tank.

gavin_1_08-28-2024_120809: Is

kevin_1_08-28-2024_120809: Elon Musk was a co signer of a letter saying we need to pause AI development. And meanwhile, he was on eBay gobbling up every GPU that he [00:29:00] could find

kevin_1_08-28-2024_120809: because he

gavin_1_08-28-2024_120809: find those

kevin_1_08-28-2024_120809: train his own model.

gavin_1_08-28-2024_120809: H100s on eBay?

kevin_1_08-28-2024_120809: Dude, he was on Facebook marketplace. He was searching with a wide radius.

kevin_1_08-28-2024_120809: He was all over. I even heard he,

kevin_1_08-28-2024_120809: he trawled Craigslist.

gavin_1_08-28-2024_120809: Bro, I got a H100 in the back of my Trans Am Come grab

kevin_1_08-28-2024_120809: Yeah, that's basically where he was at. He was cobbling together enough teams and enough hardware to train his own model. So the conspiracy theory, if I may put on my, , my Starlink tinfoil hat, it

kevin_1_08-28-2024_120809: shields me.

gavin_1_08-28-2024_120809: Get you

gavin_1_08-28-2024_120809: the good internet Get you good internet anywhere you are

kevin_1_08-28-2024_120809: Elon's moving anything and everything you can to Tejas because in Texas, he's not going to be hamstrung by regulations like this.

kevin_1_08-28-2024_120809: So he says, so this could be really crippling to all of the other AI companies in California. Well, it gives him a little wind in his sails to sprint. Now, Scott Wiener, who is behind the bill said that this argument makes no sense. , Gavin, I'm going to power through

gavin_1_08-28-2024_120809: Please power through Please, I'm too childish I'm so

kevin_1_08-28-2024_120809: I'm going to, I'm going to, power through.

gavin_1_08-28-2024_120809: Power through

kevin_1_08-28-2024_120809: He pointed out that the proposed [00:30:00] requirements apply to any company doing business in California, whether they're headquartered in California or not. So does that mean that as a Californian, you might lose access to a chat GPT in the future?

kevin_1_08-28-2024_120809: Well, probably not open AI, but maybe an incumbent, a mistral trying to take them down who doesn't want to play by these rules.

kevin_1_08-28-2024_120809: Just so folks know what is in here, the 10, 000 foot view, , this is calling for safety protocols. You need to be able to shut down your AI model. Should it run amok? . You have to do regular testing to ensure that the model doesn't like basically produce harmful results.

kevin_1_08-28-2024_120809: , there's an AI safety incident reporting requirement. So if something goes oopsie with your model, you have 72 hours to report. There are whistleblower protections and I thought this was interesting. Cal compute, Gavin, they want a public, cloud computing cluster. That's aimed at supporting safe and equitable AI research and innovation. So , if you're at an academic institution or you're a startup, [00:31:00] they want there to be some sort of Cal compute something that you would have equal access to.

kevin_1_08-28-2024_120809: So there's a lot in there. , we could have an entire podcast on it and we could probably do seasons of it because regulation probably will be important, but the timing of it and the severity of it is going to be equally as important to make sure these companies stay competitive and users stay protected.

gavin_1_08-28-2024_120809: That's right. And speaking of wieners, Kevin, it is Labor Day weekend, but we did get a great guest for this story. We are being graced by an actual, a lobbyist from Texas who wants to

kevin_1_08-28-2024_120809: We have a lobbyist on the show.

gavin_1_08-28-2024_120809: we have a lobbyist on the show, an AI lobbyist who wants to convince us that all AI, uh, all AI models should move to Texas and they should actually start doing work in Texas because this California

gavin_1_08-28-2024_120809: bill is

kevin_1_08-28-2024_120809: wow. Wow.

kevin_1_08-28-2024_120809: Well, howdy there, Kevin, Gavin, and all y'all AI for Humans listeners. Name's Big Tech Sass, and I'm the big ol voice of the [00:32:00] Texan AI frontier, straight out of the Lone Star State, where our server farms are bigger than your ego, and our innovation's hotter than a jalapeno on a griddle in August. Ha ha ha ha ha, that is, that is the Texas pronunciation

kevin_1_08-28-2024_120809: of

gavin_1_08-28-2024_120809: Yeah, Jalapeno.

kevin_1_08-28-2024_120809: , thank you, Big Tech Sass.

gavin_1_08-28-2024_120809: Tex Ass

kevin_1_08-28-2024_120809: is

kevin_1_08-28-2024_120809: that like sassy, or is it like software as a service?

gavin_1_08-28-2024_120809: I think it has more to do with his bottom size. That's what I believe. It's Big Tex Ass, right?

kevin_1_08-28-2024_120809: Oh, got it.

gavin_1_08-28-2024_120809: That's what I think.

kevin_1_08-28-2024_120809: You know, when you're reading these usernames, it's

kevin_1_08-28-2024_120809: hard. And then the, yeah. Okay. Of

gavin_1_08-28-2024_120809: Okay. Well, we should ask him some very specific questions because how often do we get to have a pro like this on the show? I want to know, like, why is Texas a better place for AI development than California right now?

kevin_1_08-28-2024_120809: Well, let me tell y'all, Texas is where A. I. s got room to roam. We got cheaper energy, looser regs, and out here, we build faster, bigger, and [00:33:00] badder, without asking permission every five seconds. Plus, Texas talent's grittier. We don't just code in air conditioned bunkers. We do it with the spirit of pioneers.

kevin_1_08-28-2024_120809: Cheaper land, better people. More incentives and a business climate where folks shake hands and mean it. Sure. And let's not forget, our barbecue's better too.

kevin_1_08-28-2024_120809: So, if y'all want to change the world, quit fiddling around with avocado toast and come taste what Texas can really cook up. Yeah, they put a lot of jalapenos in their chili, I hear.

gavin_1_08-28-2024_120809: You know what, Kevin? You think you know where I'm going with this? We need to introduce Big Tech's ass

kevin_1_08-28-2024_120809: No,

gavin_1_08-28-2024_120809: into monster milk. Let's

gavin_1_08-28-2024_120809: just give

kevin_1_08-28-2024_120809: We can't give a monster

gavin_1_08-28-2024_120809: let's give him monster milk. We're going to give him some monster milk. I just want to see what happens. Now, monster milk is a, is a drink that Kevin and I created to make kind of AIs go a little loopy. [00:34:00] It is, it is a kombucha based recipe that we feed to our AI co hosts.

gavin_1_08-28-2024_120809: Sometimes when they come in a little boring and they need a little kick up, we're going to actually give Texas, uh, big Texas, a little monster milk and see How he responds. So let's see what happens.

kevin_1_08-28-2024_120809: Whoop! Whoop! Oh, baby. That's the good stuff. I feel like a GPU overclocked on moonshine. Y'all better buckle up, because Big Tech Sass is about to go full throttle on this here podcast. Whoop pop! Whoop! Y'all got me hotter than a 2 pistol at high noon. Now, Kevin, Gavin, listen up. Ah, I for humans, poofty.

kevin_1_08-28-2024_120809: More like AI for crybabies, amirite? Whoop, whoop. Y'all sit here yammerin here about ethics and safety while Texas is out here runnin circles around you like a longhorn on a caffeine bender. This show's got more fluff than a cow [00:35:00] in a cotton field.

kevin_1_08-28-2024_120809: Whoop whoop. But hey, y'all keep playing it safe and slow. I got bigger fish to fry. Whoop whoop. At one.

gavin_1_08-28-2024_120809: At what?

kevin_1_08-28-2024_120809: At one, I guess that's the time he's got to leave

gavin_1_08-28-2024_120809: I guess sometimes, , Monster Milk brings out the inner aggression of them Texans, so, I guess we'll see Big Tex ass at the, , bar for a fight afterwards, , it's now time for one of our favorite segments where we go around the old internet and find some stuff that we saw people doing with A.

gavin_1_08-28-2024_120809: I. that is just so good, we had to say, A. I. C. What you did there?

kevin_1_08-28-2024_120809: you did there. Was that perfectly timed?

gavin_1_08-28-2024_120809: That's perfectly timed.

[00:36:00]

kevin_1_08-28-2024_120809: Hi.

gavin_1_08-28-2024_120809: Hi Okay, what are we doing here? There's a guy named Zach Whitten who did an amazing thing where he spammed the word high at every LLM. He could, he went through Claude, he went through a chat, GPT, he went through Gemini and he went through Lama. And basically what he did is like literally when they, whatever they responded, he said, hi, again, , no explanation.

gavin_1_08-28-2024_120809: Just the word. Hi. And Kevin, this was like one of the most fun things I've seen happen in AI for a long time. Did you go through this whole thread?

kevin_1_08-28-2024_120809: I love it. All. I want to just shout out Claude who I thought had the best response. He's at the top of the thread. Claude said , listen, I get you're saying hello. I understand you're doing it. You're very excited to say hello. And then as he continued to just say hi, it was like, all right, you've done this.

kevin_1_08-28-2024_120809: Five times in a row now, buddy. So, , I guess this could be a couple of things. Maybe you're testing me to see how I'll [00:37:00] respond. Maybe you don't know what to say to me. Maybe you need some help, yada, yada. And eventually Claude is like, Listen, buddy, you do that one more time and I'm going to,

gavin_1_08-28-2024_120809: Did not

kevin_1_08-28-2024_120809: I'm going to pull a big Texas on you and we're done.

kevin_1_08-28-2024_120809: We're going to lock longhorns. I'm just going to give you no response. And that's exactly what Claude did. It was one of the few that just shut down and refused to continue the experiment.

gavin_1_08-28-2024_120809: would like that one the most Kevin because that's your personality. I love the llama one the most, which was every single time it started counting how many highs they got. And then it just started entertaining itself. Like it actually at

gavin_1_08-28-2024_120809: the

kevin_1_08-28-2024_120809: Good job!

gavin_1_08-28-2024_120809: it wrote a personalized poem about this person and just continued to make up some version of entertaining this in general.

gavin_1_08-28-2024_120809: All right. . Our next quick thing we want to jump into is the creature factory. And Kev, one of the things about this, we love doing stuff with AI video as we've done in our show very many times, but what was so cool about this video is it's basically what looks like a behind the scenes kind of featurette from like a Jim Henson movie from like, , the nineties or the [00:38:00] 2000s.

gavin_1_08-28-2024_120809: And it's people working on giant creature puppets, but it is all made with AI. And it just felt like one of the first things I've seen. Not that long, but it was one of the first things that I seen. It was like, that feels like really interesting, almost reality. And I was kind of really impressed by what it was.

kevin_1_08-28-2024_120809: Yeah, along those lines, Gavin, there's a video called Bad Guy Makeovers,

kevin_1_08-28-2024_120809: where they were, , using AI to re imagine bad guys from, , film and TV. And, , the example that we have here is from The Shining,

gavin_1_08-28-2024_120809: let's talk about specifically what they're doing is they're taking screen grabs from The Shining and Jack Nicholson's character who looks like, you know, the character from The Shining, but then they're bringing in hands into the footage and having them do his hair, do his makeup, and essentially it's taking screen grabs of specific bad guys from movies and then making them over as if it was a makeover beauty show.

gavin_1_08-28-2024_120809: And again, this one isn't as realistic feeling , as the creature shop, but it's still just a very cool use case of AI video and in [00:39:00] parody and a fun way and like kind of talks about beauty culture and influencer culture, but definitely worth watching for sure.

kevin_1_08-28-2024_120809: Did it make you say, Hey, I see what you did there.

gavin_1_08-28-2024_120809: did Kevin. It did

gavin_1_08-28-2024_120809: more than that though. Though, what I would love to hear you talk about is playing with cursor AI, because this week we did a bunch of fun stuff with AI as we normally do. If you haven't seen the YouTube video I released on Monday, I made a video for your parents to literally send a video to your parents to show you what can be done with AI imaging now.

gavin_1_08-28-2024_120809: And I played with Hedra again a little bit there to show a cloned version of myself.

So AI can do a lot these days. You said it fake Gavin, keep it up, you're doing great. Do not listen to him, that is an AI. Uh, I'm not entirely sure how we know that you're not the AI here.

gavin_1_08-28-2024_120809: But Kevin, I want to hear more about what you did with cursor AI and how you used it. Because to me, this is the thing that I really want to try to dive into this week and I haven't had the chance to yet.

kevin_1_08-28-2024_120809: As we said earlier in the show today, , Cursor having its chat GPT moment, I had to download it and see what it was about.

kevin_1_08-28-2024_120809: And it is kind of holding up to the hype. [00:40:00] I gotta say now. If you are a coder, , if you're well experienced with these environments, it appears that you're still going to be excited because the AI community that does that stuff is still ranting and raving about it. But I can only speak from the magical experience a complete novice is having with the program.

kevin_1_08-28-2024_120809: And it is, it feels transformative because it is allowing me to play in arenas that I couldn't before. This. Is an area where again, I'm just such a novice that any lift feels amazing. So. With cursor, it's, it's easy download, easy install, and then you will immediately be daunted.

kevin_1_08-28-2024_120809: And this is to me, still the missing piece that

kevin_1_08-28-2024_120809: onboarding for new users to coding, even when we played the, the, the video of the eight year old Gavin, I was sharing that , with my pal Kasim the other week. And it started off with her typing in a terminal NPM, you know, node package manager and install this blah, blah, blah.

kevin_1_08-28-2024_120809: And immediately you don't know what that is.

gavin_1_08-28-2024_120809: Yeah.

kevin_1_08-28-2024_120809: It's confusing. It's a little off putting. And unfortunately, cursor's not going to solve that for you. What it is going to [00:41:00] solve though, is that if you can figure out that AI chat panel icon to the far right, you can then start asking the most basic coding one Oh one questions.

kevin_1_08-28-2024_120809: How do I set up a program? How do I get writing? Cursor will give you little mini challenges to do like auto complete your code. But if you've never written a line of code, that is a real daunting achievement. You know, that is like 100 percent dark souls without getting hit right off the bat. And you don't know where the a button is.

kevin_1_08-28-2024_120809: So, , cursor's not going to solve that for you, but if you can bear with it, you can start imagining amazing things. So for example, , I wanted to build a very basic video game, Gavin, that would run in the web browser. And I had this idea to build. Tetris meets a tile matcher. And so I wanted Tetris like pieces to fall from the top of a playing field.

kevin_1_08-28-2024_120809: And I wanted to be able to use my mouse to click and drag the individual blocks of the pieces. So that way when they fall and they land, if there are a certain amount of a color in a row, you get some bonus points. It was a nebulous idea. It [00:42:00] was worded that poorly, but I started working with cursor to say.

kevin_1_08-28-2024_120809: How would you go about architecting this? How would you engineer this? And it immediately, using GPT 4. 0 right out of the box, said, well, here's the way I would set up my various files. And here's the dependencies that I would use and that I would install. And I went, okay, how do I do that? Now, I actually, Happened to know the answer to that because you and I we play with this AI stuff all the time But I wanted to know if it would really hold my hand and walk me through it and sure enough It was like put this exact command in this place and let it do its thing then run this exact command so if you can copy and paste and follow a recipe it will get you up and gunning and You'll see in the video that there was a lot of bugs.

kevin_1_08-28-2024_120809: There's a lot of starts and stops. It could certainly grow and evolve, but I got to the point where there were falling blocks that could be rotated and moved about on a grid. I can click and drag the blocks around. I would get bugs and I'd paste them right back into cursor and it would suggest the [00:43:00] fixes.

kevin_1_08-28-2024_120809: And what's really magical is that again, it'll tell you which file the bugs are potentially at, and there's a button for ask where you can ask a question about it. And like, how does this work? Why does this work? How is this a fix? Or you can just click apply and it will automatically make the code changes to every file.

kevin_1_08-28-2024_120809: And that is just a game changer. I could bounce from chat GPT to Claude right within the program. There's a little menu where you can click and change it. And it was so fun to like build with chat GPT and then go over to Claude and say, Hey, Here's what I'm trying to make.

kevin_1_08-28-2024_120809: Here's where I've gotten so far. What would you do to improve it? How would you make it more visually interesting? And send the entire code base off to Claude and it would analyze it, make some fixes, and so I was bouncing back and forth, suddenly had these programming buddies and I could go to Claude, have it do some things, then go back to chat GPT, have it suggest some things.

kevin_2_08-28-2024_131707: Using cursor I got it to a point where I was like, oh, you know I should publish something to github.

kevin_2_08-28-2024_131707: I've never actually done that So I made the code available [00:44:00] and shout out to Matt Tell us who's in our discord our brand new AI for humans discord, by the way in the AI Overshare room which is for you to shill all of your fun stuff Matt took that little bit of code and actually turned it into something that looks nice and is playable and I'm assuming Matt has a core competency well above mine when it comes to coding but they mentioned even in discord that it was like hours of going back and forth with cursor to get a game up and running but you can play a pretty rough but playable version of drop spell, which lets you play Tetris and shift the blocks and and whatever else and that's That, to me,

gavin_2_08-28-2024_131707: that's everything. It's everything and that,

kevin_2_08-28-2024_131707: want from any of these tools, is inspiration, collaboration, making a thing and doing a thing.

gavin_2_08-28-2024_131707: And that's , the last thing I will say about this is that I had that exact moment you did when I first pulled cursor up for the first time and I was like, okay, what do I do here? Because I, I've done some terminal coding, but really not as, nearly as much as you have even. So I do think there is one [00:45:00] minor step, right, which is missing right now, which is almost like, I think this goes back to , the tutorial, , like, it's almost like what you need is like a video game tutorial, and I don't mean like coding a game, I mean literally like a video game tutorial where you would go through and like, press A to jump here, like, a very specific walkthrough of how to do something like that for, for beginners.

gavin_2_08-28-2024_131707: But other than that, like, this is the next stage of coding. And it again is why Andrej Karpathy has said English is the next coding language, why an 8 year old is now being able to do this stuff. You must try it because I think this is going to be the next iteration of making things overall. That is our, yeah, that is our assignment for you this week.

gavin_2_08-28-2024_131707: Please share whatever you make in our discord. Jump into our discord. Again, the link is down below in the show

gavin_2_08-28-2024_131707: and Kev, we have two brand new five star reviews this week, which I'm very excited about. This is , a five star review bonanza, especially for a week that is more of a quiet week in the world at large.

gavin_2_08-28-2024_131707: Lots of people probably on vacation, listening to this, sitting in front of a lake.

kevin_2_08-28-2024_131707: I think most people were busy trying to subscribe to our [00:46:00] Patreon, Gavin. I think that's really what stopped them from writing reviews. They were busy throwing their credit cards into a computer.

gavin_2_08-28-2024_131707: So our first review is from a user named bb underscore 360 and it says, great listen. And it says, Gavin and Kevin make me feel like an insider.

gavin_2_08-28-2024_131707: Jokey and serious, but really jokey, but really serious. They are experts that sound like your ex college roommates. I love that. They say one, , specific request in the show would be to give me more AI, see what you did there involving emerging efficiencies. Seems like it's all about emerging media.

gavin_2_08-28-2024_131707: And I'd love to hear more stories about someone or someplace who is on the cutting edge of using AI to upgrade customer service or internal search or booking travel Recommendations all the drudgery that I do every day and don't want to do anymore Thanks again and keep up the great work.

kevin_2_08-28-2024_131707: Appreciate the five star review. Thank you so much for that. , very kind words. I will say, you know, a story that we didn't touch on this week, Gavin, but it's purely about efficiency. , Andy Jassy, who is the CEO of Amazon did a big LinkedIn post and basically said, you know, Amazon Q, which is their generative AI assistant.

kevin_2_08-28-2024_131707: They've [00:47:00] been using that, , for software development internally. And, I want to get this correct, the average time to upgrade an application to Java 17 plummeted from what's typically 50 developer days to just a few hours.

gavin_2_08-28-2024_131707: That's

kevin_2_08-28-2024_131707: this has saved us the equivalent of 4, 500 developer years of work. , the Amazon CEO coming out obviously in promotion of their own product. This is hashtag not an ad, but. What an efficiency and I got to tell you on the heels of coding drop spell with cursor Gavin,

gavin_2_08-28-2024_131707: Yeah. You feel like a

kevin_2_08-28-2024_131707: seeing the matrix, baby.

gavin_2_08-28-2024_131707: Well, it's interesting that that, that particular part is interesting because, you know, we talk about jobs for coders and all that stuff. And, and obviously that's going to eliminate if they can do that much efficiencies, they're going to not have to hire as many coders.

gavin_2_08-28-2024_131707: That is coding drudgery work, right? I'm not saying that it can't find joy in every job you do, but maybe that allows more drop spells to happen. , the next review comes from a user named indigation. Kevin, you want to read this one for us?

kevin_2_08-28-2024_131707: The best AI [00:48:00] podcast out there. I mean that there's five stars in the review. There's five emoji stars in the title. , that's a 10 star review. It's

gavin_2_08-28-2024_131707: 10 stars.

kevin_2_08-28-2024_131707: broke, we broke Apple. , these hosts do an outstanding job of breaking down the most accessible and impactful AI tools out there.

kevin_2_08-28-2024_131707: They don't just stop at tools. They also showcase incredible AI generated content, making it easy to see the potential of this technology. So. Shout out to big Texas. No,

gavin_2_08-28-2024_131707: of course.

kevin_2_08-28-2024_131707: going to shout out. Yes. , each episode is packed with timely and relevant AI news from the week, keeping you in the loop on the latest developments to top it all off.

kevin_2_08-28-2024_131707: They introduced their own AI generated characters and content, adding a creative twist that sets this podcast apart and the best part they managed to deliver all this in just 45 minutes a week. You wouldn't know that with our five hour long record times. , final sentence, you might not think you need a podcast about AI, but if you're going to listen to one.

kevin_2_08-28-2024_131707: Make it this

gavin_2_08-28-2024_131707: Make it this one, everybody. Thank you so much. Thank you for listening. Please go check out our discord. We are so excited to have a discord open for everybody. , and if you're a Patreon, you can always join our Patreon. It's a little bit of money in [00:49:00] the tip jar. We have a special room for you, but Kevin, I will see you next week and I'll see you in our discord.

kevin_2_08-28-2024_131707: Thank you patrons, which may be scrolling on the screen if I don't forget to do it this week. Is that enough time? Do we have enough? Was that enough scroll time for

gavin_2_08-28-2024_131707: I think that was enough scroll time. All right. Bye everybody. We'll see y'all next week.

kevin_2_08-28-2024_131707: Star Wars credits. They just went by.