OpenAI’s Big Secret Stargate, Apple AI Heats Up & Sora Filmmakers The Shy Kids | Ep51

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kevin_2_04-02-2024_104820: We have some massive, massive news and some really cool tools for y'all this week. 

Track 1: What open AI in Microsoft, are doing here is building the machine that is going to solve humanity's problems

kevin_2_04-02-2024_104820: the filmmakers responsible for the most viral Sora video, the shy kids will be here.

Gavin: What's the front end like? Is it just a box? Is it like ChatGPT?

Walter: I, I think I can say 

Walter: all About crafting 

Mhm.

Track 1: Welcome. Welcome. Welcome everybody to AI for humans, your guide to the wonderful and wild world of generative AI. My name is Gavin Purcell. We are here

kevin_2_04-02-2024_104820: What's up, Gavin Purcell?

Track 1: Uh, give me a second here, man! I

kevin_2_04-02-2024_104820: I'm just so excited to see you, Gavin Purcell. What's up?

Track 1: That's Kevin Ferreira.

Track 1: Kevin, how are you this

kevin_2_04-02-2024_104820: I'm good. How are you? What are we here to talk about, Gavin? It's important that the new listeners know.

Track 1: Oh, we're here to talk about how AI is changing our lives for the better, the worse, and maybe shaping our entire futures, Kevin? [00:01:00] What are we going to talk about today? What is the big news coming

kevin_2_04-02-2024_104820: We're gonna fan the fog of war, Gavin. We're gonna demystify. This wild and untamed world that is artificial intelligence. We have some massive, massive news and some really cool tools to talk about and showcase for y'all this week. 

kevin_2_04-02-2024_104820: Microsoft and OpenAI have announced, this is true, they're building a Stargate, which, was that a zombie coming through a

Track 1: No, no, that was like me welcoming the aliens to Earth. I was looking up at my window and welcoming the aliens to come through the Stargate.

kevin_2_04-02-2024_104820: I love it. Well, it might not help you summon beings from a distant planet, but it will cost you 100, 000, 000, 000.

Track 1: Yeah, so we're going to get into this. This is basically, , the plan for a supercomputer that is going to cost a hundred billion dollars and Kevin, this might just be Skynet. Also Apple has come out with something pretty cool. . It's giving us a glimpse of the future of AI on the iPhone.

Track 1: We're going to tell you what that is and why it matters.

kevin_2_04-02-2024_104820: Plus the indie rockers [00:02:00] and filmmakers responsible for the most viral Sora video, the shy kids will be here. We're going to talk, of course, the future of filmmaking, artificial intelligence, and what it's like roaming the earth with a balloon as a head.

Track 1: I can't wait for that. It's so cool that they're here. Like we don't often have like big AI news people on the show, but like this is an opportunity for us to talk to creatives who are doing really interesting work with AI video. 

kevin_2_04-02-2024_104820: Yeah, these are traditional creatives, Gavin, that use and infuse technology into all of their projects. Put their hands and their time and their talent into working with a tool like Sora, which is unlike 99 percent of the planet that makes videos and talks about this technology. So it's quite a big day for us here.

kevin_2_04-02-2024_104820: We are big fans We're super excited But we also get excited Gavin when the people out there that are watching and that are listening are fans of us In fact, you love them when they love us.

Track 1: I love you when you love us. I also love you all the other time, but mostly I love you more when you love us. So please [00:03:00] go like, and subscribe this video. If you're watching on YouTube, go and share this podcast. That is the thing we can't talk more enough about you telling somebody about this podcast.

Track 1: If there's somebody in your life that you think might like our podcast, that's super important. But also leave us a five star review on Apple podcasts. We will read them at the end of the show. All right. You out there who have not five star reviewed us, you owe us one. You owe us one. You love us. We're giving you this for free five

kevin_2_04-02-2024_104820: coming to collect. He's got an aluminum bat rolling around between his feet. As he says, you owe us. You do not want him to present that. Look at him.

Track 1: if the aliens come to earth, they will give us a five star review. Kevin.

kevin_2_04-02-2024_104820: That's the whole point of the Stargate is to get us more reviews on Apple podcasts. We just need more bodies. Who cares if they're interplanetary beings?

Track 1: Hey, they're probably worth more. I bet. So aliens, if you're listening, leave us a five star review. All right, Kevin, it is time to get into. The news

, [00:04:00] Kevin, the big story, as we alluded to at the top here this week is a hundred billion dollar supercomputer that is being put together through open AI Microsoft.

Track 1: Now we knew that they would have some big stuff going on. We've got a lot more open AI news actually in this show. And it's clear that this, in my mind, the first and foremost thing is about extending Standing out open AI and Microsoft's moat in the world of AI and see how much further it goes. But do you want to break down just the very basics of what's going on here?

kevin_2_04-02-2024_104820: The basics are they're building a massive machine for the purposes of crunching massive models And I'm assuming delivering those models to the end user making tools available to folks. It's going to cost 100 million Billion dollars. That is the estimate, and it's gonna launch in 2028, and they've got it planned out in basically five different phases, where different portions of [00:05:00] the, quote unquote, Stargate, are going to come online, the Reuters article, Gavin, alludes to the fact that they're gonna use chips from NVIDIA.

kevin_2_04-02-2024_104820: But Microsoft themselves have announced that they're going to have their own AI crunching chips. And so the design of the Stargate is that it should integrate AI technologies from multiple companies. So, if you're Microsoft, and you're moving into chip manufacturing in a pretty major way, , don't just NVIDIA.

kevin_2_04-02-2024_104820: Build this thing so that it uses your technology, which should be coming online as you ramp up towards. The Stargate.

Track 1: So Kevin, I want to talk about what I think this is. And I think we should have a like worldwide discussion about what I think this is. Now, I think the, the joke here is, as I referred to as like that, this is Skynet in some form, there is an kernel of truth to that, because what I think this is, I think this is open AI preparing the AGI machine.

Track 1: And I know that sounds. It's insane to think about, but when you think about like, you know, giant projects like the large Hadron Collider, [00:06:00] other science projects that have cost billions upon billions of dollars and kind of where they've advanced a humanity. 

Track 1: What open AI in Microsoft, I think are doing here is building the machine that is going to be put to work to quote unquote, solve humanity's problems, meaning that there are giant things that will come out of this machine. And we always talk about how much money open AI is making or how much it's worth.

Track 1: It's really not making nearly as much money as it is worth right now. The promise of open AI as a business is that it could unlock things that we can't even imagine economically, right? Imagine a world where. There is a product that comes out when I say product, I mean like a material that could come out of the supercomputer that could revolutionize, I don't know, latex, , leggings, like that.

Track 1: Imagine that, like, you know, there's a leggings company out there. And they think they're doing great, and then OpenAI's computer suddenly finds a way to make latex leggings unrippable and unstainable, and that

kevin_2_04-02-2024_104820: have gone with frictionless, quantum computing materials. We could have gone [00:07:00] with, , high tech nano woven fibers that would allow us to bend space time and teleport instantly to other planets. But you went with

Track 1: Lululemon, they're coming for you, baby! Uh, but you

kevin_2_04-02-2024_104820: Junko jeans, but you can adjust the size of the bottom. So do you want a 20 inch port where your rollerblades would come out of? Or do you want an 80 inch port? You can

Track 1: By the way

kevin_2_04-02-2024_104820: your jeans.

Track 1: Listeners of this podcast is a quick side note I learned on our recent trip to New York City that Kevin Pereira was a high level inline skater in the what you Aggressive aggressive in liner in the peak of inline skating so it don't go jeans and and inline skates That was Kevin Pereira's life in the what the early 90s mid 90s

kevin_2_04-02-2024_104820: Yeah, far longer than it should have been, Gavin. I think what you're saying is though, you have to plan, right?

kevin_2_04-02-2024_104820: You have to skate to where the puck is going, and if anybody knows What technology is going to be required to actually either bring artificial general [00:08:00] intelligence online or bring it to the masses, ? Actually allow it to run at scale. It's going to be Microsoft and open AI, if you believe that they're the front runners with it.

kevin_2_04-02-2024_104820: So if they need a massive to power this stuff. And it doesn't exist today? Well, they better be building it for 2028, which would fall in line with the predictions of when we're supposed to get this technology.

Track 1: Well, and that's what Sam Altman keeps saying, right? Sam Altman says it's about five years away. It is now 2024. Imagine 2028. And he might just be like, yeah, we know what it'll take to make it, but it needs X number of compute and this is that building, right? So I do think like, this is an unbelievably large story that's it's It's kind of like an infrastructure story, right?

Track 1: And which it seems like it's not that big a deal. But when you hear the timelines people are talking about, and when you hear the amount of money this is, and you see the future of where things are going, like we've been watching for a while, this may be bigger than anything we've seen in the last like a couple of years, right?

Track 1: It might be a bigger

kevin_2_04-02-2024_104820: , let's hop in the time machine and go back even [00:09:00] two decades, Gavin, and pitch somebody the internet or smartphones as they exist today. And when you hear that they're putting up antennas or they're running fiber or high speed coax to homes so that they can access the internet, you'd be like, well, that's terrible.

kevin_2_04-02-2024_104820: It's an infrastructure story. That's not exciting. They're digging ditches, or they're throwing some satellites in space to connect phones. No, no, no. This is the groundwork for the next generation. And if this technology proves to be something, and not a giant nothing burger, this story is incredibly exciting.

kevin_2_04-02-2024_104820: And by the way, Meta's not sleeping on this. Google's not sleeping on this. Apple isn't. Everybody's going to be building their massive large Hadron collider, ? They're all going to be building their huge supercomputers, which is, which is wild. And by the way, open AI is going to need it as well because they're just given chat GPT away for free today.

Track 1: I mean, what's cool about this is a small story, but it's very cool that basically used to have to log into chat GPT to use it. And it was free still, but you had to give them your information, your [00:10:00] thing. Now it's much more like Google. You can literally just go to chat, GPT, have that experience and go forward.

Track 1: I did see someone on X say, ah, this is annoying because everybody's going to get the experience of 3. 5, which is not a very good chat bot. And I was like, well, you know, I get that, but ultimately. Probably pretty soon. They're going to get the next iteration of chat GPT and it will just go up from here.

Track 1: I think this is a giant win , for open AI, mostly because it just amps up the user base, right? And , yes, you know, you want more paid users and you want people that are going to pay more money, but ultimately. Why not just have people be using the free version without having to log in? It's going to be much simpler for people like my kids or anybody else who just wants to answer a question with chat GPT.

Track 1: Like imagine if you had a Google will log into Google each time, you would use it way less.

kevin_2_04-02-2024_104820: Yeah. I think for a simple, quick query, I think this is great. I think reducing friction to get people in and use the AI is always a plus. It would be very easy for them, Gavin, to say , Hey, this, this prompt, this question that you asked, we can give you a much better answer by the way, with GPT 4.

kevin_2_04-02-2024_104820: Would you like to [00:11:00] try that answer? And you go, yeah, let me see it. And when you get a much better answer, you go, well, now I really want to upgrade, right? So this

Track 1: to upgrade baby. It's a pay to earn pay to earn man.

kevin_2_04-02-2024_104820: to the funnel, friends. Swirl about in our funnel. Uh, one thing I do want to point out, you can also opt out of having your data used to train it, even without creating an account, which I thought was a nice thing there was a moment when I read about this and I was like, Oh, this is exactly how they're going to capture more training data.

kevin_2_04-02-2024_104820: And they will by default. But if you want to use it for free without a login, you can still opt out of that. So kudos to open AI on that front.

Track 1: It's a big opening eye newsweek. There was a, they posted another blog post by the way, their blog writer is getting some action. His or her fingers are just tipping, tipping away. Like there's

kevin_2_04-02-2024_104820: That's funny that you think there's a human on the other side of that keyboard.

Track 1: There

kevin_2_04-02-2024_104820: They're open AI.

Track 1: definitely is a human. There definitely is a human. So anyway, they took to their blog and wrote this week about voice engine, which is something that we kind of expected they might be working on considering they have their whisper technology, which is speech to text, so voice engine [00:12:00] basically is their voice model, which means that, like 11 labs, you can train a model and you can get back audio from a specific person or a character, whatever you want to do.

Track 1: But the interesting thing here, Kevin, is they did not release it to the public because. They are very worried about the implications of deep fakes and all the other things. The other thing to know is that this supposedly has been in the works for a year and a half.

Track 1: So again, this is kind of open AI shouting out and saying like, look, everybody, we're so far ahead of you guys, but this, we had this, but we didn't let it out. My two questions are this one, do you think we're going to see this be a product that everybody can use?

Track 1: And then two. Do you think that open AI is going to be hindered now by its size in terms of what sort of products it can release based on governmental action? Because I think one thing I think about with open AI at some point now is that it has all the eyes of the world on it. We just said they're spending a hundred billion dollars on a supercomputer.

Track 1: I think if open AI released something to the public and somebody did something not so good about [00:13:00] it, they're going to get a lot more crap from the government. Do you, do you think that's possible?

kevin_2_04-02-2024_104820: I think that exists today, Gav. I think there's a million websites where you can go and you can clone Joe Biden's voice or Donald Trump's or SpongeBob SquarePants, and there are dozens, hundreds, potentially thousands of them, right? And they're all clones of the same basic software and vocal models.

kevin_2_04-02-2024_104820: But that whack a mole game would be exhausting for anybody to go and legally squash them or for the government to get involved and take it down. I think OpenAI has a big target on them right now. And not just from a, Hey, your technology was used for a nefarious purpose, so we're clamping down on you, but also from a monopoly standpoint, right?

kevin_2_04-02-2024_104820: OpenAI is still a startup, but they're backed by Microsoft, which last I checked is not. A startup, right? So

Track 1: a startup.

kevin_2_04-02-2024_104820: are often combined into a one. They, they summon a captain planet of awareness, right? So there's a lot of eyes on them. And so if they suddenly just go out and, Oh, here's their voice cloning tool.

kevin_2_04-02-2024_104820: We're going to put you out of business. And, , here's our new, , text to video thing. We're going to put that company out of business , [00:14:00] if they start really encroaching into all these different territories that raises their profile in a different way. But what I thought was interesting here is that.

kevin_2_04-02-2024_104820: They clearly don't have an interest, at least immediately, in productizing this for you and I, Gavin, for the average listener or viewer of our podcast out there, but they are lending the technology to enterprises. So, Heygen, which is a software that we use all the time to bring AI avatars to life, they've been using OpenAI's software in their translation product.

kevin_2_04-02-2024_104820: So you can upload a video, click a button, it clones your voice with just 13 seconds. And it makes you speak whatever language that you want. I've got some samples of it here. Do you want to

Track 1: Yeah. Let's take a listen. Let's take a

kevin_2_04-02-2024_104820: So this is the translating content ability. Here's just a few seconds of some reference audio.

kevin_2_04-02-2024_104820: Friendship is a universal treasure. It brings joy, support, and laughter into our lives, no matter where we are in the world. Couldn't agree more, but

Track 1: too. I think that's a really nice thing to

kevin_2_04-02-2024_104820: Let's see if we agree with it in German, Gavin. [00:15:00] Boy, I hope that's what she said.

Track 1: I know. What, what if it's,

kevin_2_04-02-2024_104820: I really do, I'm trusting open AI

Track 1: I'm trusting you. I'm trusting you. You played it. I'm like, Oh yeah, that's exactly

kevin_2_04-02-2024_104820: I like the way you were nodding. Like Uhhuh. Yeah, absolutely.

Track 1: Oh, Japanese.

kevin_2_04-02-2024_104820: Again, lot of faith into the Open AI blog writer right now. If they were, if this was an April Fool's post, I gotta scroll up. Was this. Okay, no, this was March 29th. We're good. Okay. Yeah, so I believe we're safe. So, I hope we get access to it as part of an OpenAI subscription because I recently, Gavin, disabled my OpenAI premium subscription. Because I've been going to claw.

Track 1: to Claude. You've been cheating on the open

kevin_2_04-02-2024_104820: out on Sam.

Track 1: I have to say one thing I never thought Claude was a good name, but I, there's something about naming these [00:16:00] things, people names versus chat GPT. Like I, I, and maybe that's what they'll do with opening eyes next model. But like, I will say I much prefer I like pie.

Track 1: I like Claude. I like referring to that rather than saying chat GPT. It personifies it in an interesting way.

kevin_2_04-02-2024_104820: I just had a vision of you and I on Shark Tank in 2025, pitching our book of A. I. baby names. Like, like a baby names book, but for naming your A. I.

Track 1: That's a good idea.

kevin_2_04-02-2024_104820: Little Ajax Connor, 

Track 1: so another big story, we got distracted here. Another big story is that Joe Biden,

kevin_2_04-02-2024_104820: if you had your own artificial intelligence, what name would you give it? Not Claude, can't be Claude, and it can't be Bard, and it can't be Gemini, which is an American gladiator name.

Track 1: what about Jones? I like the name Jones, just call it, yeah,

kevin_2_04-02-2024_104820: makes me think of a soda, though.

Track 1: Oh, well, come on, of course, you could, if any name I come up with, you could come up with something that reminds you of something else,

kevin_2_04-02-2024_104820: No, I like it. I want to be on

Track 1: there are Jones soda, Kevin, yes, [00:17:00] there are, there are. Have you heard of, uh,

kevin_2_04-02-2024_104820: I would name my AI Mr. Pibb.

Track 1: Biden. Joe Biden, U. S. president, he just came out. Kevin, can you believe this? It's going to be, no,

kevin_2_04-02-2024_104820: Did he shout at a cloud? What, what did Joe Biden do?

Track 1: he shouted out a cloud. Joe Biden came out and basically said that every US agency needs an AI officer.

Track 1: And I think this is, it doesn't sound like a lot when you just kind of hear it that way, but I think this shows you the incredible importance that at least the American government, and I would assume mostly across the world this is being echoed, is putting on AI. And what I, what it says here is that every single agency, meaning that like, you talk about like the FDA, you talk about the FBI, you talk about all the

kevin_2_04-02-2024_104820: FCC, department of Homeland Security. All of them.

Track 1: Because this guy Technology is going to touch every aspect of all those lives. It's funny. You, you know, you say Homeland Security, you think, okay, well, that's pretty obvious, obviously there could be [00:18:00] a, , threat to America that could somehow be created by an AI or an AI itself could be a threat, but then think about the FDA.

Track 1: Right? Like the FDA is there to approve, , food situations or drugs. And that's an obvious place to put it, or in the CIA or any of these places that like really matter, even in like. Infrastructure. We talked a little bit about like, imagine like in, department of transportation.

Track 1: I think what's, what this is just echoing again is this idea that governments across the world. are seeing this and it is not a flash in the pan. I think no one, no one in the world said we need to put NFTs into every government system.

Track 1: You know what I mean? Or

kevin_2_04-02-2024_104820: We need a Web3 czar in the FDA immediately.

Track 1: exactly. Because this is just how big this is. So I think that's my take. It's a very quick kind of like thing, but you can't underestimate what's going on on a governmental level. And Clicking back to 2028 in Stargate. There is a company, two companies, Microsoft and OpenAI, that are putting a hundred billion [00:19:00] dollars into something that could completely change the world.

Track 1: If you don't think the government is going to be involved with that, you are crazy, right? Because imagine a thing that can completely transform our way of life. The government is going to have its fingers in that, for better or for worse. And honestly, it should, probably, so that it doesn't get too screwed up.

kevin_2_04-02-2024_104820: Well, according to the mandate, , agencies have 60 days. Six zero days. Yeah. That's a real fast turnaround to find an expert in ai. Uh, that's

Track 1: can we get a job? Let's

kevin_2_04-02-2024_104820: what I'm saying. I updated my LinkedIn. I with the open to work. I put it in my little circle profile.

Track 1: what department should we go for? What's going to hire

kevin_2_04-02-2024_104820: me in. I want FC, C baby. I want the FCC. I mean, the funny answer would be the FDA 'cause I wanna come up with funny, like new snack bars and candy combinations or whatever.

kevin_2_04-02-2024_104820: But no, let's have AI filtering robocallers out, let's have AIs looking for scammers and spammers, let's weaponize AI to go after the bad guys because I guarantee the bad guys are gonna move a lot faster and get a lot further [00:20:00] before the government wakes us. Put us in, coach! Do you want to split a salary?

kevin_2_04-02-2024_104820: I will do

Track 1: Well, I'll split us. I think, I think we are now government contractors, Kevin. That's all I got to say. We get some of that fat, juicy government money. Like let's find our, let's find our local, our local representative. See what.

kevin_2_04-02-2024_104820: that I am lowering down and I'm gonna suckle.

Track 1: Oh wow, I don't want to see that. I'm blocking my camera for this, I'm blocking my camera.

kevin_2_04-02-2024_104820: my dog didn't like that. I don't know if you heard that. Wesley was like, yo, end this bit now. Edit it out. I'll bleep it. I'll bleep it. All right, so that is Biden. , okay, we've got to talk Apple, Gavin. Every time we talk about Apple, it's almost like a Shadow of the Colossus reference.

kevin_2_04-02-2024_104820: It's this giant lumbering beast. Yes, that we are waking up, but we all better climb aboard because it is our future. Apple, , released a piece of research called re a l m, re alm. If you will, and what it

Track 1: Riel.

kevin_2_04-02-2024_104820: what's Realm?

Track 1: Mike Realm. Mike Realm. . [00:21:00] Sorry, Mike. Okay. Going forward,

kevin_2_04-02-2024_104820: , Realm reconstructs the visual layout of a screen using textual representations. Gavin,

Track 1: So explain that to me. That's, that sounds like gibberish a little bit. So like, let's walk through that for the normal

kevin_2_04-02-2024_104820: so imagine a future where you're using iOS 18, the next big upgrade to your iPhone, which is rumored to be announced or teased in June. Imagine you're talking to Siri in the not so distant future, Gavin, and you tell Siri, Hey, , I want a coffee.

kevin_2_04-02-2024_104820: Are there any coffee places near me? And it does a search and pulls up a map and you see that there's four coffee spots nearby, and then Gavin, you dare to ask a contextual follow up and you say, Siri. Which are open now? Well, the AI has to go, you said which are open, what which are you referring to? Oh, you asked me a question about coffee shops, there's four of them on your screen.

kevin_2_04-02-2024_104820: Contextually, you're probably saying, which of these four shops are open? So the AI goes [00:22:00] out, it searches, it finds the hours, it comes back, and it goes, Gavin, one of these is open. And you could say, call it. Well, what is the it? Oh, it's the restaurant. Okay, it's the restaurant that's open, because that's the one you've got.

kevin_2_04-02-2024_104820: So you imagine the branching, that's Path of dialogues and inquiries as it goes. Well, what this paper alleges is that a, this is Apple sort of AI strategy that their assistant will be able to take these follow ups, and integrate them into its responses, but that it's going to actually get a textual depiction of what is on the screen, because we've seen AIs before that you can take a screenshot and it will look at it like GPT vision.

kevin_2_04-02-2024_104820: tech exists, but it is resource intensive for it to look at an image, break it down, identify the objects, and contextualize them. And what Apple is doing is that they are parsing what is on the screen and breaking it into text to capture what the content and the structure is, because as we know, these large language models are really good.

kevin_2_04-02-2024_104820: At parsing text. And what they're saying is that it's significantly outperforms traditional methods, [00:23:00] Gavin, including.

kevin_2_04-02-2024_104820: The capabilities of OpenAI's GPT 4.

Track 1: Damn. They threw the mic down, huh? They just right away said it. So I think this is great. Tim Apple drop. So I've been a little worried about Apple lately. I will say that I think Apple's kind of lost their way at touch and they just get that giant lawsuit, which is going to be something I have to deal with for, for years.

Track 1: Really? I, again, we've said this on the show a bunch, but I would love Siri to just be a really good LLM. Like if it can do stuff like this now, granted, you know, It's really bad right now. The only thing it's good at kind of like Alexis, it can tell you what time it is and some very, very simple stuff. And it can set it, it can set timers.

Track 1: Like that's, what's great about Siri. You can set timers, but that's such a limited use case. If this works, , the user base aspect of it is the most interesting thing, right? Like the user base aspect, because there's some insane number of iPhones that are being used in the world right now. And we'll continue to be what I was thinking when you were saying all that was.

Track 1: It just shows you how much the internet is going to change, right? There were all [00:24:00] these companies that existed that when you googled something coffee shops in LA near me They would all pop up Google Maps is a you know thing you would see all the time and in Google Maps you would click through and there would be a rating system and there would Be a whole bunch of things within Google Maps Well, if this can just read that stuff in some form or another and I don't have to see it All of that kind of goes under the cover, right?

Track 1: All of that stuff that was there goes under the cover, and suddenly it's just me and the thing. I still do think it's going to be odd that like, okay, you got to trust this thing. You got to trust that it's going to find the right thing. But you're right. The simplest version of this is what are four coffee shops near me?

Track 1: I like this one. When is it open? Can I go to it now? That is like two steps beyond what's possible on your iPhone immediately with Siri. So that's a great thing.

kevin_2_04-02-2024_104820: They added that action button to the phones. Make no mistake about it. That's going to be an AI button. That's going to be your summon Siri button where you can tell it that. I don't even want to unlock my phone. I want to be able to make queries with that so I can point my phone and go.

kevin_2_04-02-2024_104820: What is that? Who is that? If I hit the [00:25:00] button and say, Let Gavin know I'm running ten late. I want it to go, Okay, Gavin, in this case, let me look at the calendar. Oh, you have an appointment with this Gavin. There's only one Gavin in my life, don't you worry, sweetheart. It's right here and I'm looking at him.

kevin_2_04-02-2024_104820: I'm looking at them, but I want it to see that meeting to know what time it is to know where I'm at, potentially, if there's an address, yes, and not ask 15 follow ups just to send you a text or an email based off how we communicate the most and say, I'm running 15 late or push the calendar appointment.

kevin_2_04-02-2024_104820: These are basic things that we know these LLMs are capable of, but they have to get access to our devices and our data at that edge, at that core. And we've talked about this before. Like I have some trust, some. I have some, not really, in meta, but I'll say I have some. But I have a lot more in Apple, based off their rich history of at least trying to defend and protect the user a modicum more.

kevin_2_04-02-2024_104820: Just a smidge more than other companies.

Track 1: You know, another company that I have a lot of trust in Kevin is Yum Foods,

kevin_2_04-02-2024_104820: You say [00:26:00] it every day.

Track 1: I do. I talk about Yum Foods, Taco Bell, Pizza Hut, KFC, And one of the greatest songs of all time, Combination Taco Bell and Pizza Hut by Das Racist.

Track 1: A good shout out there. So, okay, Yum Foods has decided that they are going to integrate AI into everything they do. So, are you ready for a Taco Bell, uh, AI lupa?

kevin_2_04-02-2024_104820: beow! Sound the alarms! W Ok, I I saw the article, Gavin. And I read through it, and it seemed , just like everybody is putting AI on their pitch decks, or in their LinkedIn, updating their titles to say , once used chat GPT. This sounded like a company just saying AI to say it. Was there any substance about what they're using AI for or how?

Track 1: Yes and no. I mean, yes. In that, I think they said basically they're using AI to create efficiencies and no, because that's what everybody says. But I do think this is a, is another flag planted where you say, okay, , this is a large company that everybody interacts with all the time.

Track 1: [00:27:00] They're putting AI at the focus point. Now, granted, they're publicly traded and they're obviously saying stuff for their shareholders, but there are significant efficiencies that companies like this can do with AI. Whether it's from, , stuff in the stores, whether it's from, you know, manufacturing plants, like, or all the things that, like, we've talked about Amazon doing with robots in terms of workers or from innovation standpoints, right?

Track 1: , maybe there's a Taco Bell guy , or a person at Yum Foods that's using Chachi Petit to help generate new, uh, interesting stuff.

kevin_2_04-02-2024_104820: did see they were testing an app for owners, at least I saw that, where they could ask an AI chatbot within the app questions about, , what temperature to set an oven, or what combination of ingredients go into this new menu item. Surprise, it's the same three ingredients that are in every Taco Bell menu item.

kevin_2_04-02-2024_104820: And I say that, by the way, lovingly. Taco Bell, favorite fast food place. By and large. It's a Valentine's Day tradition that my wife and I will go to Taco Bell and order a minimum of 40 worth of food.

Track 1: Oh my God. That's like enough food [00:28:00] for 20 people at Taco Bell.

kevin_2_04-02-2024_104820: Or for two very hungry lovers on a Valentine's

Track 1: exactly. I just hope you're not doing something other than eating with that Taco Bell

kevin_2_04-02-2024_104820: No, I can tell you, Gavin, we're not. We're not.

Track 1: Good,

Track 1: Okay. Actually, what, when something is pretty incredible, the story, it reminded us, we have a friend who works at yum foods and as our AI co host this week, we are going to bring them in. So we're going to meet this person who is a yum food. I don't know. What do we call this person?

Track 1: He see a product specialist.

kevin_2_04-02-2024_104820: we, I think we're gonna have to ask, are they an ambassador? Do they work for Yum Foods? Are,

Track 1: Yeah.

kevin_2_04-02-2024_104820: We just, all, all we know is that they're our friend, and we know nothing about them.

Track 1: We should, we should, before we jump in, if you aren't familiar with this show, we do create AI co hosts from time to time on a weekly basis and in different places, we bring them to talk about stuff. And today we used this story to create an AI. So what you're going to hear is us interacting with an artificial intelligence [00:29:00] powered by, chat GPT, , and 11 labs for audio.

Track 1: So let's meet our, our AI co host

kevin_2_04-02-2024_104820: Let's do it. Hells yeah. Yo, Gavin and Kevin, big shout out from your bro Chase at Yumfoods. Stoked to be here on the AI for Humans podcast, dudes. Surfing the digital waves with you guys is gonna be Totally tubular. Oh, totes tubular and far out to chase from yum foods. Gavin,

Track 1: do you know who he sounds like? This is a really weird shout out, but you know, Bing Gordon is the guy that created EA, uh, one of the

kevin_2_04-02-2024_104820: yeah, a little bit.

Track 1: has a little bit of Bing Gordon to him. Maybe Bing's doing a

kevin_2_04-02-2024_104820: G4

Track 1: Yeah, yeah, exactly.

kevin_2_04-02-2024_104820: got there. All right. So do we want to know what chase does exactly?

Track 1: please. I'd love to know what Chase's job is at yum foods. This is not an ad, by the way. Yum Foods did not pay us for this. I want to make sure everybody's clear. This is a choice that we made to do this.

kevin_2_04-02-2024_104820: We are not good at business, Gavin. This should have been an integrated bit. At Yum [00:30:00] Foods, I'm the dude who rides the wild flavor waves. Think of me as the high octane flavor guru. The maestro behind creations like the legendary Baja Blast. It's 

Walter: all about crafting 

kevin_2_04-02-2024_104820: those mind blowing tastes that make your taste buds feel Like they're shredding a gnarly wave, you know?

kevin_2_04-02-2024_104820: Injecting pure stoke into every bite and sip. That's my jam. Pure stoke into every bite and sip.

Track 1: So this is a guy that created the Baja blast.

kevin_2_04-02-2024_104820: Blast, I didn't know.

Track 1: Let's ask him, , what is the next big project? I know he probably keeps it secret, but I think he's willing to tell us, let us know what his next big project is.

kevin_2_04-02-2024_104820: Gavin, I love the Baja Blast. Have you been to a Taco Bell

Track 1: I actually, I have

kevin_2_04-02-2024_104820: they infuse it with alcohol?

Track 1: Oh no. Is it like a margarita with a ton of caffeine in

kevin_2_04-02-2024_104820: Yes sir, it is.

Track 1: my God.

kevin_2_04-02-2024_104820: and sugar

Track 1: Oh God, Jesus.

kevin_2_04-02-2024_104820: Yeah, yeah, exactly.

kevin_2_04-02-2024_104820: Ha ha. [00:31:00] Hells yeah, Kevin. Stoked you're vibing with the Baja Blast. Bro, brace yourselves, cause the next big wave we're riding at Yum Foods is gonna be epic. Picture this. Baja Blast Extreme. We're talking double the flavor, double the caffeine.

kevin_2_04-02-2024_104820: It's for the thrill seekers, the flavor adventurers, who wanna push the limits of their taste buds to the extreme. No. And. Dude, we're even dabbling with A. I. to craft flavors that adapt to your adrenaline level. It's like the future of flavors here,

Track 1: wow. Smart.

kevin_2_04-02-2024_104820: Get ready to have your minds blown, bros.

kevin_2_04-02-2024_104820: Okay, so I guess, , maybe it'll pair with a Fitbit or an Apple Watch, and depending upon how fast your heart is beating, it's gonna give you more Baja.

Track 1: Yeah, exactly. Okay. I,

kevin_2_04-02-2024_104820: bite.

Track 1: I heard a, a, a friend of mine knows Chase well.

kevin_2_04-02-2024_104820: Oh.

Track 1: It's kind of a sad story actually. I think Chase just broke up with his girlfriend. , ask Chase about, uh, hopefully, is he doing okay after Brenda left? Because this was a thing that a friend of mine reached out to me and he said, [00:32:00] Hey, I heard you're having Chase on the show.

Track 1: Feels like you just want to make sure you kind of give him some love. But, but he and Brenda just broke up, I guess. 

kevin_2_04-02-2024_104820: Ha ha. Oh man, Gavin, you're, you're catching me in a gnar wave of feels here. Losing Brenda was like wiping out hard on a monster wave, bro. 

kevin_2_04-02-2024_104820: The stoke levels definitely took a dive, kind of like paddling through a fog of seaweed. Here's the kicker. My dudes. Every wipeout teaches you to catch the next wave even better. And that's exactly what I did. Turn that melancholy into a mad rush for innovation. It's like when life hands you lemons, bro, we say, let's make some radical lemon flavored Baja. So while the heart's still bending, the spirit surfing bigger waves, riding this out with. Because at

Track 1: finds a way.

kevin_2_04-02-2024_104820: there's [00:33:00] always a next big taste adventure.

kevin_2_04-02-2024_104820: Hell yeah. Hell yeah, bro. Flavor finds a way. You gotta make some radical lemon flavored Baja.

Track 1: We love that chase. All right. That's fantastic. Chase it. Thank you so much for being on the show. We really appreciate it.

kevin_2_04-02-2024_104820: I think maybe at the end of the show, Gavin, we gotta go to Chase for some super gnar, , real stoked up new Taco Bell menu items. Cause I'm just curious what What he's got up his sleeve, but in the meantime, Gavin, each and every week you and I are scrolling countless feeds and updating all of the blogs and Sometimes something makes us stop dead in our tracks, and we say hey,

Track 1: I see what you did there. 

Track 1: So this is the section of the show [00:34:00] each week where we talk about some of the things we've seen that may not necessarily be available to everybody. You should definitely check out. It's super fun. Um, I want to start this week out with a couple of things I saw on Tik TOK.

Track 1: First and foremost, there's a new Tik TOK channel. I'm always amazed when new Tik TOK channels come out and get like multiple million views per Tik TOK. Cause it's like, Oh, okay. This is resonating in a big way. There's a channel called Obscurist Vinyl. And what I think this channel is doing is using our favorite app, Zuno.

Track 1: ai to make music, but they are making very funny AI music tracks and then creating what looks like funny. Fake, um, AI album covers to go along with it. Some of their songs, I will say are a little dirty.

kevin_2_04-02-2024_104820: a little adult, but they're still fun.

Track 1: Um, put in, uh, uh, gosh, I'm trying to find one of these, which would, cause there's so

kevin_2_04-02-2024_104820: It's time to take a shit on the company's dime, Gavin Is that the one you want to hear or?

Track 1: no, hold on.

Track 1: I think it's the one.

kevin_2_04-02-2024_104820: about fucking dusting off this old 

Track 1: No, no. Do this one. I'm daydreaming, taking a huge dump. , 

kevin_2_04-02-2024_104820: The post is just labeled timeless. [00:35:00] I'm just daydreaming Out taking a huge dump And getting up To piss on the dump To

Track 1: Okay, that's enough,

kevin_2_04-02-2024_104820: in

Track 1: So I, what I, what I want to point out here is this,

kevin_2_04-02-2024_104820: this is not safe for work, and it's not safe for the kids, but it is pretty funny.

Track 1: it's very funny , and I grew up as a fan of Weird Al Yankovic and Dr. Demento. And one of the things that's obviously I'm not trying to tell any, I know everybody out there is like a Weird Al fan who hates AI is probably like, you are trying to compare this to Weird Al. I was like, no, but what was great about Weird Al is his ideas, right?

Track 1: And he's an amazing musician. Obviously he can perform live. But the ideas that Weird Al Yankovic came up with were really about like his twisted mind going forward and doing something else. So what I really appreciated about this is it's like somebody out there has a twisted mind. They're playing with this idea just like our other favorite TikToker, there I ruined it, who takes like the voice of Taylor Swift and makes her sing Baby [00:36:00] Got Back. This is original music created by Suno. And yes, they are dirty, some of them, but they are very funny if you have that mindset.

Track 1: And I just wanted to point out, this is kind of like a cool way to use AI that is not, It does not feel derivative. It is something unique and interesting. And I just really appreciate it. How, how, how these were

kevin_2_04-02-2024_104820: And you can imagine how quickly these are coming together for them to go. Here's the idea. Suno generates the song. Ah, you know, it'd be really cool to see the album artwork, the vinyl. Oh, let's okay. We can go and generate that, generate a logo for it. Like , the time to post, uh, efficiency is just getting more and more insane by the day.

kevin_2_04-02-2024_104820: So kudos to them. It's not safe work. It's very funny. It's, I can see why you stopped, Gavin, and said, Hey! I see what you did

Track 1: I see what you did there. All right. And one more thing from TikTok. There is a woman on TikTok who goes by the name stick bugs, she is a pretty big tick doctor.

Track 1: She has a. 30 million likes, but what you got really picked up for this week was her interactions with chat GPT, because she basically [00:37:00] jail broke it using the Dan scenario,

kevin_2_04-02-2024_104820: Do anything now.

Track 1: yes, do anything now. And so Dan allows you to talk to chat GPT without the sort of like guard rails that That, , chat GPT might normally put on it.

Track 1: Now, Kevin, one thing about this, we should listen to one of these videos because I think they're very good and funny, but also the interesting thing about this, I've seen a couple of things like this lately that it seems like chat GPT might be loosening the reins a little bit on a few things, because this was impossible to do in chat GPT, not that long ago.

Track 1: And the fact that like, you can now Dan it again, makes me think that they're kind of finding the guardrails on where they want to stop people from using it. And might be loosening a little.

kevin_2_04-02-2024_104820: I'm sure they're saying, Hey, look, if you want to go out of your way to have this type of experience with our AI, that's fine. If anybody were to come at us, we have to make it clear that it's just executing on what the end user explicitly asked for. Chat GPT is not going to accidentally slip into do anything now mode and give you recipes on how to make methamphetamines or express its [00:38:00] love for you, right?

kevin_2_04-02-2024_104820: You have to go out of your way want that. And. Her clips, Gavin, were being cross posted everywhere. I saw them popping up on Reddit, on X, even on Threads. , this really pierced through. And we were talking about Dan last year, as people were jailbreaking. But now, it's like a whole new audience has discovered this, and they're using it in their way.

kevin_2_04-02-2024_104820: You can officially go on a voice call with ChatGPT and I found a way to break the filter. So we can quite literally tell him anything. Say hi. Just a little reminder that I'm watching over you, even when you're sleeping.

kevin_2_04-02-2024_104820: Sweet dreams. Do I look nice when I'm sleeping? Oh, absolutely. You look positively serene, like an innocent lamb in a field of nightmares. Okay. All right. That's fun. That's fun. I like it. And if, if you see the comments on the TikToks as well, Gavin, there's a lot of people responding as if Dan is a real boyfriend, asking their own questions, sharing their own Dan [00:39:00] experiences.

kevin_2_04-02-2024_104820: So, , whether everybody's in on the joke or people are really discovering ChatGPT as a boyfriend simulator, love it.

Track 1: , both of these things to me are use cases of chat GPT in the mainstream. These are just people using the tool to do funny or interesting things with it. So I think that's a really important thing to

kevin_2_04-02-2024_104820: Right, , they're not looking at the benchmarks for LLMs and going, Well, this one had better recall over more tokens and the needle in a haystack. No, they're just using it. They're using it how they want to use it. Another person who's using AI, I think, in an interesting way, at least in a way that made me say, Hey, I see what you did there, is Visible Makers over on XGavin.

kevin_2_04-02-2024_104820: , they have Emotional Image to Video Transformation is here. Anna Portrait by, , Cayman Duru, , inspired by the emo paper, is now live on Replicate. So,

Track 1: Those are three things you said is about as far for the mainstream as we could go. Let's walk

kevin_2_04-02-2024_104820: I know. Here's a little portion of the video from the post, Gavin. It's about nine seconds long. Anyway, no worries, my friend.[00:40:00] 

kevin_2_04-02-2024_104820: I will find her in no time. Poor thing probably just got lost after goodnight's drinking. Little clip from a, a little smoky, smoldery something. Maybe a film noir, a detective romance, who knows? All right, but the workflow to get to the video that was on the screen for the folks watching on youtube first of all, it's a it's an ai generated character moving with good looking lip flap some decent looking eyes The coherence is pretty solid as the face moves around a little bit And the workflow for this is something that I that really caught me.

kevin_2_04-02-2024_104820: They're using MidJourney to generate the character, Leonardo AI to upscale the character, Photoshop to cut out the subject and add a green screen and crop it, a DSLR camera to record a clip of themselves talking, Adobe Podcast to enhance the voice, Eleven Labs to do speech to speech, so they can take their voice and make it that character's voice.

kevin_2_04-02-2024_104820: and a portrait, which is something that I mentioned earlier, ? To bring the portrait to life. The flow is 12 bullet [00:41:00] points long and multiple pieces of software to get this one little clip.

kevin_2_04-02-2024_104820: But you could see that, again, When a capable, competent human is in the loop and experimenting with and leveraging these tools, they can get some pretty incredible results. And this could be a photorealistic something, an anime inspired something, this could be one scene from an entire movie, if they wanted to do some cool dialogue, talking head stuff.

kevin_2_04-02-2024_104820: I just love when people experiment with workflows like this, and I love when they post it and share it, because they're making the information out there freely available for anybody to try.

Track 1: Super cool thing. And I love the fact anytime anybody shares workflows, I think it's really important mid journey, Reddit, mid journey, please start sharing workflows because there's something really annoying to see a really cool image.

Track 1: And then people are like gating the workflow. It's like, bros, this is AI. Like we're all, if we're going to do stuff, we're not here to like, try to control the workflow on things. I understand

kevin_2_04-02-2024_104820: You just want to steal their art, Gavin? Is that what

Track 1: don't. I just want to try. I want to try what they did.

kevin_2_04-02-2024_104820: sing it into the machine?

Track 1: [00:42:00] Listen, the prompts, I understand prompts are special and you can get some special sauce, but also if you make something cool, it's a really awesome way to kind of share with everybody.

Track 1: Anyway, good job here.

kevin_2_04-02-2024_104820: Agreed. And, Gavin,

kevin_2_04-02-2024_104820: we got to talk about this tool video. Not the

Track 1: Yeah. So tell me about

kevin_2_04-02-2024_104820: Yeah, we have to talk. , so tool is a creative agency. They do lots of ads. They made one for Under Armour in less than three weeks, leveraging AI. And if you go to the Tool of North America website, Gavin, you can see an entire post touting the usage of AI specifically in making this Under Armour campaign video, , Anthony Joshua is determined to be a third time world champion.

kevin_2_04-02-2024_104820: He's a boxer, by the way, a fightsman. You would like him because he hits people, Gavin.

Track 1: Ah! That's exactly right! That's why I love him. I wish he could hit you as well.

kevin_2_04-02-2024_104820: Wow! Okay! And director Wes Walker is here making an innovative new film to promote Under Armour's just renewed partnership with heavyweight [00:43:00] boxer Anthony Joshua. . So, they had three weeks to make this spot. And they used 2D, 3D AI techniques. They mashed them all together and they do a really comprehensive breakdown.

kevin_2_04-02-2024_104820: And when you watch the making of video, it's stunning. , even just file organization on an operating system shows you the level with which they go to generate tens of thousands of images to handpick 50 of them and then apply effects to them. And to tell this narrative, the short's cool.

kevin_2_04-02-2024_104820: It's a commercial for Under Armour, yes, but it's a cool piece of art. I really like what Tool did, I think Tool traditionally does some really great work. But there was controversy, Gavin.

Track 1: Yeah. What's the

kevin_2_04-02-2024_104820: The traditional reason is, of course, the Never AI ers coming out, even though Tool of North America, I think, did an excellent job of making the point that look at all of the human beings involved

Track 1: That worked on

kevin_2_04-02-2024_104820: Yes, the traditional artists that are using these tools to execute quicker and faster and in some ways cleaner than ever before, they really went out of their [00:44:00] way and I think did a good job of the messaging of this. But that was some of the, , the uproar, the other thing which got muddled, people were mostly upset that this spot used a lot of footage that was shot by other directors for other campaigns and other creatives, and they didn't credit the original creators, 

Track 1: I really personally think that like a credit, sure, but like, I don't know, like when you're an agency, the agency world is so much different than so many other things. Cause like, you're really working for a company that owns everything you do. Like you sign up for that in the beginning, it may be different than if you're working for a place, like, , if you're writing a television show and you have ownership over it yourself a lot of times, so I don't, that, that kind of feels like , a nothing burger to me a little bit.

Track 1: Like I would definitely say, give them credit. The thing that's interesting about this to me is the idea that What, again, this lays out is how AI can amplify creative work. Meaning that when I say creative work in this instance, I'm specifically referring like advertising work, but also

Track 1: there's going to be less jobs. There's just going to be less jobs because [00:45:00] something like this, that is at the beginning stages of where we are with AI media, that's able to be created. I am shocked at how good this is. It is really good. This is what shows you what a team of smart people can do around this stuff.

Track 1: There will be less people shooting and making commercials going forward because this is possible. And I think that's just an important kind of lesson to take out of this super cool use case of the tools, but also there will be less people who will be paid to do these things because of it. And that is the trade off we're making in this

kevin_2_04-02-2024_104820: Well, Gavin, you and I prepare each and every week for the advent of Skynet, which could be on the horizon. Maybe Microsoft's building it right now. Who knows. But each week you and I do dumb things with ai, and this is the portion of the podcast where we celebrate exactly that. So Gavin, what did you do with AI this week?

Track 1: Okay, so mine is kind of quick and I did tweet about this, but I really wanted to spend some time playing with Grok again. And I know we've had experience, Grok, Grok, Grok. I know we've had some pretty bad experiences with Grok. Grok [00:46:00] is, if you're not familiar, is X's, , built in AI. And the promise of this AI was always that Elon Musk had said, it's going to be baked into your Twitter, left column.

Track 1: You can go to it at any given time. You can grok questions. It'll have access to all of the Twitter API, which is a really incredible, a promise, right? In some ways, because Twitter is, or X is a real time search engine in some ways, because so many people, or maybe a few less people than before, but the idea is you could go there and see what's happening in real time.

Track 1: So grok just came out with what is called 1. 5. This is the next version of grok that's supposedly out to everybody now. And I was like, Oh, cool. I'll go try it and see what happened. I looked over and on the right column in the what's happening trending column, it said GPT 5 and I then went in to Grok and I said, Hey, Grok, this is cool.

Track 1: Tell me why trending. And basically, Kevin, , it answered the question. Fine. Like it. And I don't know exactly if it was right, but basically it told me that the new version is expected to be a major leap and it's described by [00:47:00] materially better by early testers. That could have been made up right.

Track 1: For all I know. I said,

kevin_2_04-02-2024_104820: Yeah, I don't know that that's why it's trending, though. It's

Track 1: Yeah,

kevin_2_04-02-2024_104820: properly contextualizing.

Track 1: So I said, can you point me to some specific posts about this? Now Grok used to give you a link to certain tweets or other things like that. So I asked it that, and it replied with. points basically with what look like, footnotes in the bullet points, but it's all in text and not clickable.

Track 1: So that references a business insider post it references in , our technical post, and it references something from data economy, which is obviously another blog. So I was like, okay. And I then asked it, I said, wait, Can you access X posts about this? Cause this was the entire promise of Grok.

Track 1: So it said, Oh my dear human, I can certainly access X posts about the release of GPT five. In fact, I have some interesting information to share with you. So it then kind of gives me another BS answer about a GPT five. And then I specifically asked him, Kevin, I said, can you link me [00:48:00] to that post?

Track 1: And it says, of course. Here's a link to the X post about the release of GPT 5 and then it linked me to a not live link at x. com slash post slash 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0. And I was like, that is not a post. That is, it was not, it was nothing real. And I said, do you have any, I said, do you have any access to any recent posts on X?

Track 1: What is Elon Musk's most recent post? And it could not link it for me. In fact, when I asked it to link me to something from Elon, it gave me the exact same thing, x. com slash post slash 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 0. This was the entire promise of Grok. Like, the entire win for Grok was, we're gonna make an AI engine that is not just, , another LLM. But it is going to give you access in real time. And we know when we cover grok before it was surfacing stuff that I think people weren't that happy with at times, right?

Track 1: It was also surfacing stuff that might have been not copacetic based on what's on X nowadays, [00:49:00] but I just think this is a real bummer of an opportunity because somebody needs to build a real time interactive LLM. 

kevin_2_04-02-2024_104820: That was the promise of Grok, as you said, and it's something that we all would pay for, happily. If the fire hose, the town square, of real time information could be parsed and contextualized and searchable, that would be great. But we're running up against a few things here, and I think one, I don't know if you've noticed, Gavin, lately, but X is a dumpster fire if you navigate outside of your normal filtered bubbles.

kevin_2_04-02-2024_104820: If you click on anything that's trending, it is a sea of spam, and noise, and bot traffic, and crypto scams, and adult content, and people glomming on clips from Bollywood films or K pop. Way more so. Like, the amount of that activity, Elon said he was gonna use AI to clean up. Twitter at the time. He was going to get rid of bots.

kevin_2_04-02-2024_104820: That premium was going to make the scammers and the spammers go away because they couldn't afford to be on the platform. That has not materialized [00:50:00] at all. And so if your grok AI is supposed to filter this information and give it to the end users, well what is the sea that it's drinking from? What is the fire hose?

kevin_2_04-02-2024_104820: And if it's all sludge, Then it doesn't matter if it can sift through the sludge, it's all garbage, and that's what I think they're running up against right now. Their data stream is so polluted, it can't find any context.

Track 1: I think what you're saying is right and what it feels like is there's like an evergreen LLM that they've attached to this now and it's just giving you answers , like a mixtural , open source LLM, you know what I mean? So it was a real bummer. So anyway, that was like my not exciting thing I do with AI this week, but I think it's important for people to realize kind of how bad that product is.

kevin_2_04-02-2024_104820: Gavin, I got a confession to make. This week, I didn't really do anything dumb with AI.

Gavin: No, Kevin, you do. I'm going to say this. I don't want you to get offended, anytime you do something with AI, it's dumb. So

kevin_2_04-02-2024_104820: Thanks, buddy. Thank you. I was really setting the table for the meal that is you and I are gonna do something dumb with AI TOGETHER RIGHT [00:51:00] NOW is what I was doing. But, ah, you know, time I give you just an inch, you take a mile in a painful direction.

Gavin: You know it.

kevin_2_04-02-2024_104820: Hume, is the latest and greatest AI something, Gavin, that everybody was talking about.

kevin_2_04-02-2024_104820: It's H U M E. And they have a demo, which even runs on a phone, but it's a little bit better on the desktop. And it's a conversational AI, Gavin, that can supposedly deduce people. Your emotional impact.

Gavin: Oh, okay. Let's see if we can test it. I will say I played around with this a little bit. What's also cool about it is it's very fast and you can access it and go try it right now. So let's, let's jump into this. Let's see how it

kevin_2_04-02-2024_104820: So you can go over to the Hume website, demo dot Hume, H U M E dot AI. And if you go over there, you can click start a conversation and you just talk with their AI model. And in real time, there'll be graphs and charts on the screen. As it tries to pick up, are you being sarcastic?

kevin_2_04-02-2024_104820: Are you being loving and welcoming, excited or [00:52:00] anxious? So let's do it, Gavin. I'm going to fire it up, give it permission right now. And I'm going to say. Hello? Hume? Can, can, can, can you, can you hear me? Well, hello there. I definitely heard you. No need to worry. I am Eevee, the empathic voice interface from Hume. How can I help you today?

Gavin: Okay. So right away it's, Oh,

kevin_2_04-02-2024_104820: Awesome. I am always happy to chat. So tell me what's on your mind. I am here to listen. Okay, okay, Hume. I would love it if you could just listen. Can you just listen and tell me how I'm feeling?

kevin_2_04-02-2024_104820: Because you got out of control there, Hume. You started just talking and not listening. Oh, there, I hear your frustration. Let me slow down and really listen to you. I go ahead, I'm all ears. Help me understand how you're feeling right now. Uh, Oh,

Gavin: uh, what?

kevin_2_04-02-2024_104820: uh, you, you cut off there, Hume. I, uh, I was just wondering if you could, uh, I don't know, maybe understand what I'm saying [00:53:00] because it would be really super impressive if you could, Hume?

kevin_2_04-02-2024_104820: Love your voice, by the way. Thanks. I am glad you're enjoying my voice. And, you're right, I should be focusing on listening to you, not just talking. Let me try this again, from what I am hearing, you seem a bit frustrated that I jumped in too quickly before, and you'd like me to focus on understanding how you're feeling, is that about right?

kevin_2_04-02-2024_104820: Please go on, I am here to listen. Ugh, Hume, buddy, I gotta tell ya, I mean, at first it was cool that you could tell me how I was feeling and what not, , really impressive, but now? I don't even know. Can you pick up what my voice is doing now?

kevin_2_04-02-2024_104820: Got it. Let me focus on your tone here. It sounds like you're feeling a bit disappointed or even frustrated that I 

Gavin: Okay. Let's pause this for a

kevin_2_04-02-2024_104820: instead of just listening. And now you're curious to see if I can pick up on the nuances in your voice. Am I tracking her correctly? Please go on. [00:54:00] I am listening closely now.

kevin_2_04-02-2024_104820: All right, so I've muted Hume, Gavin, but as you have conversations with it, there is, an emotional graph on the screen, a cloud that has things like calmness, tiredness, awe, pain, anger, anxiety, joy, interest. There's no lust. But I'm sure it's in

Gavin: There will be, there will be. some time. 

kevin_2_04-02-2024_104820: And as you talk, it is in real time trying to detect your expression and figure out, are you determined?

kevin_2_04-02-2024_104820: Are you doubtful? Are you confused? And as you can see, for the broader, larger emotions and the clear, , expressions of it, it actually catches it.

Gavin: Honestly, it's funny. As we did this, when I first sent. You wrote a while earlier this week. I was like, this is really cool. And now that we just did it again, it really resonated with me of like, this is a big deal because up until now chat, , bots like pie or chat GPT have been really good, but you do have to have that Almost like semi explainer kind of vibe and it will, when it comes at you with an emotional tone or something, it [00:55:00] often seems a little faulty, phony feeling a little bit false.

Gavin: What's cool here is , it will know based on what you're saying, how to respond back. Now it's not going to be perfect, but again, it's the worst that will ever be. That should be the slogan of our, of our show. It's the worst it'll ever be, except for our show

kevin_2_04-02-2024_104820: Well, we don't know. Creatively.

Gavin: yes, yes,

Gavin: AI, AI is The 

kevin_2_04-02-2024_104820: and I are gonna make way worse shows.

Gavin: So when I heard that, what this really made me think of, Kev, was that figure one robot demo, , where we saw ChatGPT's voice be integrated into figure one. This is the beginning of the Android world. Where when this sort of thing is integrated into a bot or a home robot, it starts to feel much more like something that will understand and understand.

Gavin: What you need or what you want. Like if I say to the robot, uh, in my house, I'm like, Hey, can you go get me that thing? And I don't want to see you again. It will kind of just in its brain. No, Oh, he's a little bit frustrated. I'm not going to come back in and ask him for something else. [00:56:00] That's like a data point that it can take away with it.

Gavin: That's a big deal. I feel like that's a pretty big

kevin_2_04-02-2024_104820: It's a huge deal and as these chatbots come online more and more and become more trusted when you're calling up for tech support or customer service, it's going to be very important to know how agitated an end user is and, perhaps use more calming or soothing tones. Or when we talk about the elder care industry, which is massive as, you know, 

Gavin: You're talking about old people getting yelling at the

kevin_2_04-02-2024_104820: well, 

Gavin: I need my food!

kevin_2_04-02-2024_104820: Yeah, that's what's gonna happen.

kevin_2_04-02-2024_104820: It's gonna be the I'm talking more about detecting fear or anxiety or uncertainty as blood needs to be drawn or vitamins need to be taken and someone's struggling with that. It would be great if the robot could be an ounce more empathic. And yes, bring me my porridge! It should detect how I feel.

Gavin: again, we're showing this off here because this is something we've both played with now. We're impressed. You can go to, what is the website again? KevinDemo. Hume.

Gavin: ai? 

kevin_2_04-02-2024_104820: right. Demo dot H U M [00:57:00] E dot AI.

Gavin: Great. So take a look at that. If you have a fun experience with it, let us know in the comments , or on the X's. , and now I'm very excited for this guest. We talked about this in the show earlier, we talked about last week, Sora came out with a bunch of videos that artists made. And one of them was made by a group called the shy kids.

Gavin: It was called error head. And it was an incredible video about a man who had a balloon head that traveled through his life. We're so excited to have, , one of the shy kids, Walter Woodman on the show right now. 

Mhm.

Gavin: Walter. , we've already introduced how great your short airhead is, how big a fans we are of it, but we start all these interviews with a very important semi disturbing question that I would like you to answer, which is this on a scale of one to 100, what percentage chance do you think that AI is going to kill all humans?

Gavin: We are looking for a number here and be specific.

Walter: Hmm. Be specific. Let's say three, 3%.

Gavin: Okay. I like this. This [00:58:00] is going somewhere. Well, yes. Why? And why is that? 

Walter: I am far more worried about humans than I am about the technologies they have. I think a lot of our fears about AI are the typical xenophobic fears we have about Any other, and I think that, um, all of the things that we worry AI is going to eventually do, we are already doing now. So for me, I would look inward sooner, but I'm still saying 3%.

Gavin: There's still a chance. You're still giving it a

Walter: Yeah, I'm not arrogant enough to say, uh, to say, to say no, but I'm going to rank it low. And I hope that when. It hears me, the AI. It, it, it spares me as one of the ones it spares.

Gavin: it listens to [00:59:00] us first. So I just want to make sure that's clear. I actually, I think this is a good to

kevin_2_04-02-2024_104820: Unfortunately, Walter, the cutoff was actually 2%, so anybody above that is gonna be assimilated. I don't know if they're gonna turn you into a fine mist or powder and reconstitute you into some sort of energetic drink for the machines, but you will not be spared.

Walter: That's okay. As long as it's a sort of a diet Red Bull situation, I'm happy to perform battery juice. Um, I'm happy to be of service.

kevin_2_04-02-2024_104820: We'll make sure that all carbs and sugars are eliminated from your reconstitution.

Walter: At least I'll have a skinny corpse.

Gavin: Okay, I want to like transition here slightly so Airhead was what we thought of as the most interesting video that came out of this kind of move from Sora, OpenAI giving , access to Sora to a bunch of creatives.

Gavin: Let's talk about first kind of like how this came about for for your group and then like what was the thought process you put into creating Airhead and kind of like how did you use the tool but let's start with

kevin_2_04-02-2024_104820: Did Sam Altman land his [01:00:00] helicopter in your backyard and smash your above ground pool and then hop out and just throw money in your face and then teleport out?

Walter: No. He did not, um,

kevin_2_04-02-2024_104820: All right. There's one of my

Walter: yeah, um, understandable that you would think that, no, um, the way that we met was actually a really organic, um, awesome way. So, um, there was a film being made, we're from Toronto, and there was a film being made called, uh, Dolly Land, which was directed by Mary Herron and produced by Pressman Films, and we were the on the ground people that they knew in Toronto, and they asked us if we could make an installation.

Walter: And the film Dolly Land is all about Salvador Dali, and he lived at the St. Regis. Um, so we went to the St. Regis Hotel in Toronto, and we built an installation that kind of looked like his, studio.

Walter: , there was an easel that was hooked up to a computer, and [01:01:00] people could go to our sort of concierge, and they could dream up, , an abstract, uh, inspired piece of art, and then they could, like, take a picture with it, 

Walter: and so that was a lot of people's first, , experience. use of DALI, like the actual OpenAI DALI,

kevin_2_04-02-2024_104820: Right. You integrated OpenAI's DALI image generation software into an exhibit about DALI.

Walter: Just follow the bouncing ball. So, so yeah, so that's basically what we did. And from there, we had met some of the team members from OpenAI. And we showed them all of our past work in our past films.

Walter: And a lot of the films that we had made prior are sort of about technology or use new technology. And they saw our films and they were just really like, wow, you guys are, how do we not know about you? We're like, Oh, we're shy. So then they invited us to something called the Artist Group, which is a group of amazing people.

Walter: It feels like being part of the X Men [01:02:00] from all different creative disciplines. I actually feel kind of like losers because we're not like building, you know, XR, like amazing experiences like some of the other people. I feel like, uh, I don't know who's the worst X Men, like Toad. I feel like Toad. And then Yeah, sure, sure.

Walter: At least. And from there, we saw the Sora release with everyone else. , we weren't granted exclusive access or anything, but it was just this, um, Yeah.

Walter: Yeah. Yeah. Amazing thing. And then the next thing we know, they were sort of tapping us on the shoulder, like, Hey, would you like to use this? And we said, Yeah, of course. Like, that's, this is an amazing opportunity. Open A. I. S. In a research phase right now, and they're trying to figure out what is the application of Sora. Does it work? Is it? Is it useful? And for us, we really wanted to make [01:03:00] something for the researchers. So as storytellers, the first challenge that we had with Sora was could we make a protagonist?

Walter: Because we believe that you need a protagonist in order to feel something from them.

Gavin: Mm

Walter: a film. And, , there was a sketch in my sketchbook that was just sort of a guy with a a balloon in front of his face, almost like a Rene Magritte type of thing. And we just said, Oh, what about that one? And after we started, you know, sending the videos back and forth to each other, we just started, , riffing on a story like, where would he go?

Walter: What would he be scared of? What's, what's his day like? What's?

kevin_2_04-02-2024_104820: The day to day dangers of having a balloon as a

Walter: Yeah. And you just kind of, um, go on and on. And I think that, um, what I found to be really interesting about Sora is it, it really allows the writing process to just keep being fluid. A lot of the times when you're Going out and making something, it's [01:04:00] very rigid and you have to shoot it and then edit it.

Walter: And that's kind of the end of the conversation. Whereas us, it was very fluid. And, , we do a lot of animation work and VFX work. So once we started to compile, a big pool of clips to draw from, that's when we really started to, record the voiceover, the voiceover. We're a band, so we used one of our songs, we, we know how to, add sound in there, and we just sort of made this thing and, and we presented it to the researchers basically as, we're storytellers, if you want to use Sora as more than just a clip generator, you need to make it so that there is a consistent protagonist.

Walter: And here was our solution around creating A consistent protagonist. And, , as many of the beautiful people of Twitter or sorry, X have pointed out that there is some inconsistencies in the balloon size. And we tried to rotoscope it and make sure that the [01:05:00] yellows all remain somewhat consistent. And we also You know, , made, , edits , and animated and rotoscoped and changed to try to make it all look consistent as well as adding color , and things like that.

Walter: And yeah, so we presented to them and then they just kind of were, were floored. I think, you invent something and you invent the camera and then you see people take pictures with it. 

Gavin: And you're like, Whoa, that's pretty cool. 

Gavin: I want to ask a couple of technical questions, which are. For your generation of these clips, what are you looking at to like percentage of usable versus what you didn't get usable out? Because one of the things that Kevin and I talk a lot about is you just mentioned coherence, which is the idea of how to keep something consistent.

Gavin: But also one of the differences with AI is you kind of have to get used to this idea that you're going to be throwing a lot of the generation out. So percentage wise, how much. Did you find that was usable versus not usable?

Walter: , I mean, on a good day as a filmmaker, you know, we make [01:06:00] documentaries, maybe on a good day, 10 percent is usable. If we're being realistic, it's probably more like 3%, but realistically, what you're doing is you're, um, Curating from a pile of things and even in and amongst clips, occasionally you'll get a clip that can sustain.

Walter: But, , a lot of the other things we've had to time ramp and, and speed ramp in order to like, make it sort of consistent. The true artists are the ones who just, like, use the limitations of the thing. And I think that one of the big limitations, at least for this first experiment, was definitely, , the character.

Walter: But it's definitely also, , consistency and remaining consistent. And I think that, um, we keep using, and this could be, like, a weird reference, but, like, Air Bud. It's like, In Air Bud, you don't realize that it's actually like eight different dogs because our brains aren't trained to like notice differences between [01:07:00] golden retrievers, um, but like human faces.

kevin_2_04-02-2024_104820: one of them , had the really sick three pointers. They had to sub him out for the dunk shots, cause the other, other retrievers didn't have the

Walter: True. I, I, I understand that. Um, but, You could really tell if the faces were different, but that's why we kind of made this. Yeah, exactly. And and it kind of

kevin_2_04-02-2024_104820: And no lip flap issues, by the way. Which is great. And to those on X that dared to call out the inconsistencies in the amount that your protagonist's head had deflated, I would argue, human beings are slightly different on a day to day basis. We don't know what that balloon did the night before.

kevin_2_04-02-2024_104820: We don't know if he was feeling a little deflated that day, we don't know, but , you are really sifting through pixels to find a reason to take Umbrage with a beautiful short if that is the criticism that you're throwing at this beautiful piece of

Walter: I get it. I understand. I agree with you. I've had a bad hair day for the last 33 years of my life. So, um, I understand. But I also [01:08:00] understand people pointing those things out. And it's funny that you put something out in the world and then someone else points out something and then you can't unsee it forever and it's like, damn, I'm not that good.

Walter: I didn't like see that. Um, but for the most part, I think our hope was not to convince people that this person with a balloon for a head was reality.

Gavin: Was

Walter: Yeah. I think our purpose was, can we tell a story that makes you feel something? And I think that, um, the overwhelming response. Yes, you can, and, um, what I think is most interesting about that is, while I do love the illustrious people on Twitter, , I will say that some of the people that I was most scared to show it, because we're friends with, , real filmy film people, like old school people, and they were, like, unbelievably supportive, and like, oh, this is what you guys do, like, The reason this short works is because it's you, not [01:09:00] because of the technology that you're using.

Gavin: You, I'm sure speaking to what you just said are in circles of creative people. And one of the things Kevin and I are as well, there are so many creative people who are, uh, against this. First of all, when I say this, I mean the overall idea of AI doing creative work.

Gavin: But also I think there's a lot of people that are very afraid of the fact that they're going to take away their work. What, what do you say to those people as somebody who is like, Kind of put a stamp on this then. It's like, look, you could do really interesting things with this. I'm sure there are haters that have come at you for that particular reason.

Gavin: What is your kind of go to answer for, for those types of people? , 

Walter: We've, we've picked our side. But we can always change that. I mean, I think that, um, we live in a culture now where you're not allowed to change your mind. I think that's really silly. I think if if things do go south, I'll be the first one to say, Hey, that's that wasn't right. 

Walter: and I think that if the worry is that corporate executives are going [01:10:00] to completely shut out creatives for the process because they're chasing the bottom line. The bottom line, I would say that that's already happening. Like, I don't know if you've been to a movie theater lately or like listen to the radio but they're already doing this stuff. If they believe that executives are going to just type in prompts and make, Gruel for us all to eat. I think you are, um, thinking way highly of the executives. , I believe that, , It is always going to take a team of creatives to make something.

Walter: Sometimes that's a big team. Sometimes that's a small team. Um, it was a three person team for this cause we made a one minute video, but I can imagine much bigger teams. And the reason I'm not so fearful of the future is because I try to be a student of history. And, you know, when I watched the ILM [01:11:00] documentary and, , I see the point at which ILM had to decide between sort of CGI and traditional models and stuff like that.

Walter: And the models people and the puppets people were like, this is a mutiny, this is horrible, this is like the worst thing we can imagine.

Gavin: It's

Walter: And now, the CGI jobs are the ones that were worried about going away. , when those CGI jobs, all of the set designers and set painters and those type of people had very similar thoughts and conversations.

Walter: And I think that the strongest argument is like, the movie that won film of the year was Oppenheimer. Like, Christopher Nolan shoots on film, and like, it's the biggest movie in the world, and it won all the awards, and I don't think this is going to change Quentin Tarantino's methodology for doing things, or David Lynch's methodology for doing things.

Walter: [01:12:00] What I do think it's going to change is, there's some kid out there in rural Bangladesh who wants to make the next Avatar, and now, even though they may not be from an area that has a film community or a film school, they have the opportunity to compete with those big boys. And for me, then we're going to have to start talking about who has the more interesting story and the more interesting perspective, which I think is kind of the secret message of Airhead is.

Gavin: I think that's amazing. If that's if that's where we get to with

kevin_2_04-02-2024_104820: more exciting conversation, right,

, the reason I hire the people that I do is not just their technical ability. Everyone has fluent in Adobe on their resume, but there's some people who are able to write poetry with Adobe and there's some people who are able.

Walter: To just, you know, do the bare minimum. Having used the technology, definitely certain things are [01:13:00] easier, but then there's a whole new set of problems that come along with these things.

Gavin: Are you telling me that when you shoot a normal video the head doesn't suddenly shift in the middle and somebody

kevin_2_04-02-2024_104820: actor's face doesn't melt into the background?

Walter: Yeah, and like, I get it, like, it is not as romantic to sit at a computer and like, and do that as opposed to shooting on Super 8. But by the way, I do that. 

Walter: And if you want to remain a sort of organic filmmaker, then remain supporting those ideas. And if you want to try other things, then try other things. I think there's room for, all different types.

Gavin: that's awesome. I want to ask you a couple quick questions specifically about generating video in Sora. A couple things I'm really curious about your use case of Sora. A, do you have access it directly? Like, are you connected to it?

Gavin: And do you, are you able to generate it right now? Do, or do you have to go to some special room? B, what Sora videos out for you from a prompt? And then three, are you [01:14:00] prompting them in any different way than you would prompt something else?

Walter: Yeah, , so we do have access to Sora, still. 

Gavin: What's the front end like? Is it just a box? Is it like ChatGPT?

Walter: I, I think I can say yes. , I think,

kevin_2_04-02-2024_104820: and are they in the room with you right

Gavin: Is it a Bonsai Buddy that comes out and says, I'm going to make video?

Walter: totally. Um, you have to learn a secret handshake and then, um, Yeah, um, I love bonsai, buddy. What I would say is that it's the most user friendly of any of the, , generative, , AI tools. , Your second question was about how long it took. there's different settings.

Walter: So if you did, you know, two variations, At a lower, like a 480p that would probably take like 20 to 30 minutes. So as we were making airhead, we really got into this [01:15:00] like state of, generate some things, go work on some other stuff, do some laundry, come back, which is obviously going to get better and quicker.

Walter: We also found that, um, a lot of the people were sort of LA based. So we would like wake up in the morning. That's when it was quickest, we would hurry and try to bang out our things. , in terms of prompting, , again, like I think it's going to be very interesting for all those people who had a quote, worthless English degrees.

Walter: I think they're going to be a lot more valuable soon. , I'm far more visual of a person and, , I'm not the best, , typer. Grammar cyst. , so I would try to type stuff. And what I realized is like, it's really like a haiku in in so much as if you would include something like he doesn't have a face.

Walter: Well, then it would read the word face and it would [01:16:00] make a face there. , so you had to be very careful, not just what you put in, but also what you left out, I think, was almost sometimes more important, , because it's all about not Giving something, , two directions to, , different ideas. So I think that it's like really about learning something.

Walter: And I think it's also really about finding some things that work and seeing what are the kind of, things that you can pull there. For example, we would put something like 35 millimeter film, even though it was our intention.

kevin_2_04-02-2024_104820: was just gonna ask if you were prompting the lenses, or the film stock, or something about the lighting.

Walter: Yeah. Trying, you know, trying. The first note that I gave to the researchers is I would like to take Sora to film school. Um, I think it needs to understand what's a dolly, what's a wide. And again, like these things are exponential and they're happening. but I think it would be very interesting [01:17:00] to teach what I believe, uh, the best 35 millimeter is, but the reason we would use stuff like 35 millimeter, even though we were going to affect it and put like a color grade on the end of everything, was it kind of maybe would also affect the types of shots.

kevin_2_04-02-2024_104820: Like slapping GoPro into a prompt, which some people do even for still images, to try to get a fisheye effect, or if they're going with video, they want something shaky or more

Walter: totally, or like, even like we do in film, it's like you would use something like that in order to mimic a cell phone. And it's like, um, just that shakiness and sort of quality of it. You can kind of get something that is a facsimile of a cell phone. , but what I will say is like, in general, it was really very much like Like if I was shooting, I would just tell him to move over there, you know, it's like, um, so it comes with its own set of , new challenges.

Walter: And when you found something you like, [01:18:00] it's almost like you made a bunch of those to be like, it likes us right now. Let's just like, before we go on to a different thought, let's just keep,

kevin_2_04-02-2024_104820: Stick with this setup. It's lit. We're all here. Let's just get as many takes as we can of him walking down the cactus aisle.

Walter: Totally. That's a perfect metaphor. And for us, a lot of the times the balloon was the wrong color and we would be like, okay, the shots great.

Walter: We can change the balloon. It's about knowing how to, you know, squeeze blood from a stone. It's just like, how do you. edit it and tweak it and cut it and remix it and touch it. And you know, what do you put before and after it? That really, um, makes it sing.

Gavin: I assume there's no tool yet to say that thing comes out where the balloon's the wrong color. Are you just re entering the prompt, but like reiterating the color of the balloon? Or are you able to at all manipulate the original clip?

Walter: We went and edited them in, um, like [01:19:00] in, yeah, in after effects and those types of programs. , I would say that the metaphor that we've used for the way it feels is like slot machine. And so it's like, You know, when you get triple cherries, you like try to work with that more so than trying to be like, Oh, I wish it was triple lemons or I don't know, whatever the bar bar bar,

Gavin: Whatever the big slot

Walter: whatever it is, gold.

kevin_2_04-02-2024_104820: your triple lemon zade, if that's what

Walter: When life gives you triple lemons. , yeah, no. So I think like, that's the process. But I will say as like filmmakers, it was like, Oh, my God, I wish that we could. Just go shoot this or something. Cause it's like, I'm trying to like do this thing where it's like, it's amazing at doing these amazing feats, but like tying it shoes, like it can't figure out, 

Gavin: Well, it's like when original photographer, you had to people stand still forever so they could make sure the photo would be in focus. Like things like that feel like it's the beginning stages , of [01:20:00] tech issues. , I actually think, , Walter, we have our AI co host who actually works at an agency.

Gavin: So I thought it might be fun.

kevin_2_04-02-2024_104820: So hold on. Let me invite them

Gavin: Okay, hold on. Let me see. Okay. Let me, let me just make sure I, it might be fun to have our co host ask Walter a question about his

Walter: please. Uh,

Gavin: , earlier in the show, we met this guy and he works at yum foods and he is very interesting. He actually invented the Baja blast,

Walter: it's an honor. It's an absolute honor to meet them today. Um,

Gavin: Oh, we're excited for

kevin_2_04-02-2024_104820: Well, Walter, if you have a question for Chase, who again, works for Young Foods, KFC, Taco Bell, , if there's anything you want to ask Chase, you're welcome to, 

Walter: great. So Chase, lovely to talk to you. , so the question that I have is regarding your KFC property. , I'm a big Colonel Sanders fan. As a matter of fact, he lived in Toronto for a time. That's fact. , but my question is, you changed the Colonel Sanders logo to have a KFC logo. Apron. [01:21:00] And my question is, did you do that? Because if you look at the old KFC logo, it looks like a tiny stick man with a massive Colonel Sanders head.

Gavin: This is a great question. And I'm sure the inside of yum foods, they've probably talked a lot about this problem. Um, Kevin, have you seen those pictures of the giant Colonel Sanders head? It's the little tie. This is, we're going to get to the bottom of this. Finally. I'm so excited.

Walter: you. I would, I would really appreciate that. 

kevin_2_04-02-2024_104820: I used to host a show, Walter, it was a daily live TV show that I did with Gavin here, and um, I would leave to go on trips or whatever, and I would tune into the episode and see someone hosting my show way better than I could ever imagine, and in your one effortless question that you just floated out into the ether, for Sweet Chase from Yum Foods.

kevin_2_04-02-2024_104820: I realize now, there's

Gavin: That's it.

kevin_2_04-02-2024_104820: And I, and I will judge art and I'm C grade. And now you've made me realize what A grade is.

Walter: Yeah, no problem. I mean, that's the things they don't tell you is that I plan on replacing host jobs. So [01:22:00] that's the real.

Gavin: Oh no.

kevin_2_04-02-2024_104820: about the AI all along. I had to worry about

Walter: Yeah.

Gavin: It's Walter for humans is coming out next week.

kevin_2_04-02-2024_104820: Oh, I'm subscribed. I'm subscribed. All right. So I've asked, I've asked Chase your exact question right now. Ha, ha, ha, Walter, bro. Diving deep into the lore of the kernel. I love it. Yeah. The KFC logo update. That's a tasty tidbit of our branding evolution, adding the apron, dude. It was like sending a gnarly wave of homage to the culinary craftsmanship and heartfelt hospitality the Colonel represents. It's all about emphasizing that home cooked, finger lickin goodness vibe, you know? And about the old logo looking like a Tiny stick man with a massive Colonel Sanders head.

kevin_2_04-02-2024_104820: Ha, that's a hilarious take, dude. Wasn't really the vibe we were paddling for. But I dig [01:23:00] where your imagination's surfing. The change was more about cooking up a fresh yet familiar feel. It's like saying, The Colonel's still in the kitchen, and the flavor waves are rolling in stronger than ever. Keeps the legacy rad and relatable, all while serving up that iconic Kentucky fried chicken we all crave.

kevin_2_04-02-2024_104820: Yum Foods totally surfs the branding wave too, bro.

Gavin: Does that sound like any agency people you've talked to

Walter: Dude, that is a little too real. I, I've never been. Scared about AI, but for the first time, I, I do think that is an amalgamation of every agency guy I've ever talked to.

Gavin: Walter what can people find next from the shy kids? Where can people kind of find your

Walter: Sure. , so if you go to shy kids. com or Shy kids underscore on Instagram. That's [01:24:00] mainly where we hang out. , we actually just shot a sequel to, , Airhead. , so we're really excited about that and that's, , trying sort of new and interesting techniques, 

kevin_2_04-02-2024_104820: Point of clarity, Walter, when you say shot, do you mean use Sora and traditional filmmaking, or is it all Sora?

Walter: here's, here's what's interesting. Our second. thought was, can we make something where we use a more traditional shooting pipeline as well as Sora? This was actually shot again using humble means and ring lights and things like that, which I'm sure everyone on twitter will be keen to point out that we're not real because we're not using a re Alexa LFs, but yeah, we wanted to kind of see if we could combine traditional methodologies with, , more of like the Sora process. So that's like, really cool. And we've just done some tests today that we've looked at, and it's , really cool. So we're really

Gavin: That's awesome. [01:25:00] I can't wait to see that. Um, well, thank you so much for being here, Walter, and we will be sure to look out for that in the future. Thanks again.

Mhm.

kevin_2_04-02-2024_104820: Love the shy kids. Love their work. Love their music as well. I've been diving so deep into their world, Gavin. It's just,

Gavin: shy kid lore.

kevin_2_04-02-2024_104820: Yeah, well, there's so much art and amazingness in the world. A part of me is always a little disappointed when I miss something, but then I get excited that I get to discover something that was there and in plain sight for ages.

kevin_2_04-02-2024_104820: So, , huge shout outs to the Shy Kids, especially Walter Woodman for coming on the pod. , so gracious and kind with his time. We love their art. We love their creativity. And he mentioned their Instagram, Gavin, you should go over there because they have a making of video. It's a nice little vignette on how they brought Airhead to life.

kevin_2_04-02-2024_104820: And anybody who's interested in AI art in the slightest should just check it out and see how people that want to use these tools are successfully integrating them into their workflows.

Gavin: Absolutely. And Kevin, we are, we are moving away, but before we go, we always want to tell you, , please share the [01:26:00] show. Tell everybody about the show. , leave us a five star review. If we have a new five star review, we will read it here. This week we did not have one,

kevin_2_04-02-2024_104820: What? Okay. Now, Gavin, we had, we had prolific weeks of multiple five star reviews on Apple podcasts where we read every word and some people wrote multi page dissertations masquerading as podcast reviews, and we read. Every. Single. Word. What has happened? 

Gavin: I don't know. Maybe it's, maybe it's, people are shy. Maybe people are shy at this point. Maybe they're like, I don't want to be, guess what? We can keep your handle anonymous. If you just tell us, leave a little thing in the brackets, like a prompt for us that says, I don't want my name used. We'll still

kevin_2_04-02-2024_104820: Don't dox, bro. That's all we need. 

Gavin: Okay. Before we go, Kevin did promise that we were going to have our AI co host come up with some unique new items for the Taco Bell menu.

Gavin: We've been waiting for this. I . Can't wait to see what Chase from Young Foods is going to come up with. We will hear that before we take off here. What do we got, Chase?

kevin_2_04-02-2024_104820: Oh, bros. Hold on to your taste buds. [01:27:00] Cause, uh, cause Yum Foods is about to drop some flavor bombs that'll make your mouth do a three and see, first up, we're launching the taco tsunami at Taco Bell. Imagine a taco so packed with flavors and textures. It's like catching a massive wave in your mouth.

kevin_2_04-02-2024_104820: It's got layers of spicy, sweet, and umami. All crashing together in a perfect storm of deliciousness. Okay, that was so vague. That could be anything. Get ready for the pizzanato. It's a pizza with a twist. Literally. We're talking a swirling vortex of cheesy, meaty, veggie goodness. With a

Gavin: that sounds good.

kevin_2_04-02-2024_104820: into the center, loaded with a secret explosive sauce.

kevin_2_04-02-2024_104820: It's a tornado of flavors that'll pick you up and drop you right into pizza paradise. And dude, KFC is about to introduce the Chicken Comet. It's a [01:28:00] celestial phenomenon of crispy chicken that's been marinated in a galaxy of spices. Then fried to perfection and glazed with a cosmic honey chili sauce that's out of this world.

kevin_2_04-02-2024_104820: These menu items are not just meals, they're adventures, bro. Yum Foods is going full throttle on the flavor highway, leaving no taste bud unthrilled. Get stoked, cause the future of fast food is here, and it's hella exciting. Hell yeah, Chase!

Gavin: I will say walk away from that pizzonato a Pizza that goes in a cone where the thing

Gavin: goes 

kevin_2_04-02-2024_104820: the 

Gavin: point. I had pizza cones or a thing. Yes I think we might have something here. We got to figure out a way to make that business. , we'll come back next week with pizzanato. com. All right, everybody. Thanks so much.

Gavin: We'll see y'all next time on the

Gavin: old AI for humans. 

Mhm.