AI4H EP082

[00:00:00] James Cameron, the man behind the Terminator, is warning that Skynet is literally happening right now. Everyone is marching towards AGI and we might actually be closer than expected. And the next big battleground might actually be your search bar. OpenAI, Perplexity, and even Meta themselves are using AI to try to break through.

And in the meantime, there's all sorts of new tools which will let us code and create and even compose old timey cartoon scores. That's right, we're dropping an Acme Anvil on AI News this week. It's AI for you.

G: Okay, Kev, the big news this week is that we are hearing that AGI might be a lot closer than we expected for a long time.

K: Is the AGI in the room with you right now?

G: appeared. It's appeared. We are not here to hype, but someone is, specifically OpenAI's new CFO, who was interviewed and had something very interesting to say [00:01:00] about AGI.

K: think if Sam were sitting on the seat, he would tell you AGI is closer than most think. one of the best meetings I get to go to once in a while is the research meeting. And it would blow your mind to see what's already coming.

K: And what, as we have learned how to take reasoning models, like O1 Preview, Yes. Um, on top of GPT models, and the interplay between those, You're now really starting to see some incredible outcomes, PhD level outcomes. Okay, now this is the CFO, Gavin, we have to point out, which is the Chief function officer writing the code.

K: No, no. Could it be?

G: officer, which has a very large Say and how the the actual company makes money This is sarah fryer who is pretty recently added to the openai team she's going on Bloomberg, which is obviously a big business channel to talk about this. Is it hype beastie for sure. And hype beastie coming from a CFO is a specific kind of [00:02:00] hype beastie, but we're also getting some other pretty big news coming out of OpenAI that seems like it's pointing in this direction.

G: First and foremost, just kind of breaking recently, OpenAI is developing its own chips, which is pretty fascinating.

K: We knew that there was going to be a major tech crunch with everybody going after what little processors Nvidia is able to churn out that they're not keeping for themselves.

G: And just some details on this is an exclusive story from Reuters that they're developing an AI inference chip. So this is maybe not specifically a training chip. This is an inference chip, which again, if you're new to the show means the kind of AI use that is done with a model that you can kind of work with the model, it kind of scales up based on a model that's already been trained.

G: They're working with Broadcom and TSMC to design the first in house chip , to support their AI systems, and also adding a MD chips along with Nvidia and Kev. One of the things that's interesting about this to me, and, and this just follows up on the, X AI situation where they bought all those H one hundreds and, and spun up a training [00:03:00] cluster very fast.

G: We're just running out of chips, right? Like, I think it's obvious to, to most everybody involved and everybody's looking for places to buy more or make their own chips. And when we talk about the idea of what AGI is, and again, if you're new artificial general intelligence, the idea that an AI could kind of be as smart or smarter than a gifted human inference is a very big, important part of that because inference is how you're going to get stuff out of the model.

G: The training part is almost becomes less important later on.

K: , but let's connect those things. That's really important because, , we just had that clip from Sarah Fryer, open AI CFO saying that what she's seeing behind closed doors is magical because they're combining that inference compute. When you're trying to get something out of the model with a foundational model, we know that the bigs meta Google, Microsoft, open AI, they secured their purchase orders for the Nvidia chips that are going to train the foundational models, sweep up all of our data to make this intelligent model.

K: Those were written [00:04:00] long ago, right? Nvidia supply already constrained and probably bought and sold for the next two and a half, three and a half years. So open AI goes, ah, let's work on the chips that are going to go on that inference layer to get that output. And that's the reasoning model that gets better performance out of the foundational stuff.

K: And it's the combination of those two that they have recognized. You can scale on both sides. That's what's going to lead to this. promised, crazy, dystopian, metal foot stomping human skull lasers in the sky future that we're all just giddily marching

G: Well, and the funny thing, Kevin, is that's not the end of the OpenAI news this week. Uh, The Verge had a big story that broke that said basically, uh, the next foundational model from OpenAI is coming before the end of the year, which again, somebody has mentioned quite often on this show.

G: But at the same point, Sam says this was fake news. The short story here is that basically The verge is a very trustworthy source. I believe that this is coming. The fake news that Sam referred to was that it's not going to be, I think it's probably not going to be [00:05:00] called Orion.

G: And that's kind of like what people have been discussing, but

K: you think that's the gotcha thing? That's the, little sticking point in the thing that it's actually, it's still coming out. It's totally ready. It's going to be a game changer. They just got the name wrong.

G: I honestly think that could be it because there's an option here where people hate when they get scooped in some sort of world ahead of time, but . If we get a new foundational model, and according to this Verge article, there's somebody who says it's 100 times more powerful than GPT 4, I still think we're looking at an elevation of expectation in terms of what this model is going to be. And you know, one other thing that just happened yesterday is OpenAI had its development day in London. And they unveiled a lot of new features on what the O1 model, the, not the preview, the actual O1 model will do and have this somebody that works a lot with AI systems.

G: I assume you saw some of this stuff and we're pretty excited about it.

K: This is real. This is, this isn't an article about a thing that might happen someday, maybe, let's see, by the way, we still need a trillion dollars in funding, this is stuff that's actually real, so, [00:06:00] we forget O1 is only like a few months old, Gavin, we don't have the full O1 model, but that thing is Pretty capable, adding that reasoning layer on top of the models that we already have.

K: Now they're unlocking new abilities with a one that do have me excited. Function calling is something that does not sound sexy at all. I understand

G: going to throw up the X man. I'm going to throw up the X. What are we talking about?

K: It's a tool in the toolkit, man. Function calling allows this model to do things that it can't do on its own. And that could be anything from , as simple as, , search the web to create imagery, to analyze video, to. Compose an old timey cartoon score. I'm teasing it again. You can get structured output out of it, which means if you're trying to write code it can do that. I'm distilling, , greatly here, but these are really, really cool features that are going to make a one way more powerful

G: Yeah. And also like, you know, one thing that oh, one doesn't have yet that I really hope is coming. It's not in this list yet is document upload and document, recall, because to me, that's a huge [00:07:00] part of how I use GPT four Oh, and I would love to be able to upload documents specifically to Oh one and have them interact with it and, and be able to read stuff.

G: If this stuff really can scale, um, we are headed towards a world where we have an artificial general intelligence and then maybe an artificial super intelligence.

G: And Kevin, one person has a lot of history thinking about. That sort of future and what it might look like. So James Cameron just this week did a very good, like about a 20 minute video where he kind of laid out how excited he is about AI, but maybe not as excited about AGI

K: aGI will not emerge from a government funded program, it will emerge from one of the tech giants currently funding this multi billion dollar research. So then you'll be living in a world that you didn't agree to, didn't vote for, that you are co inhabiting with a super intelligent alien species that answers to the goals and rules of science.

K: of a corporation, an [00:08:00] entity which has access to the comms, beliefs, everything you ever said, and the whereabouts of every person in the country via your personal data. Surveillance capitalism can toggle pretty quickly into digital totalitarianism. these, this feels like the beginning of an old command and conquer game.

K: I feel like James needs a beret with an ambiguous sort

G: Cause the funny thing is it's like, it's almost like the beginning of the command and conquer game, but it's like the year before the beret actually happens and he's like the, he's like the first warning sign. Yeah. Keep playing

K: right. At best, these tech giants become the self-appointed arbiters of human good, which is the fox guarding the henhouse. They would never, ever think of using that power against us and strip mining us for our last drop of cash. That's a scarier scenario than what I presented in The Terminator 40 years ago, if for no other reason than it's no longer science fiction.

K: It's happening. [00:09:00] Ooooooh.

G: now we are grounded Kevin for here. We're out of the hype. We're based in what actually could happen. So I just want to be clear. James gave a about a 20 minute talk at the AI plus robotics summit for the special competitive studies project, which is, uh,

K: I don't know, I guess when they graduate, Neil Patrick Harris puts his hand on an alien worm and says it's afraid. That's the only thing that I know that happens there.

G: The special competitive studies project, which is a bipartisan nonprofit initiative with a clear mission to strengthen America's long term competitiveness as AI and other emerging technologies that are reshaped. So this was 20 minute talk he gave.

G: One of the things that's important to know is you just listen to that clip. And it's like, Oh, my God, James Cameron hates AI. He's actually really excited about AI. In fact, one of the coolest parts of this talk was he talked about how he's going all in on AI. And if you're a creative out there, this is one of the creatives who has, has been on the forefront of technological change.

G: He's using, he's going to use AI in his movies and all [00:10:00] this stuff going forward. And his projects, the way he talks about himself is like, He's part filmmaker and part researcher, and he is all in on AI. But there's a quote he says where he basically says, AI, I'm very excited about AGI, not so much.

K: It's a sentiment that I think you and I have echoed before, which is like, the destination is a very promised one that could lead to a Demolition Man esque utopia. , One where we can still curse and we don't have to make rat burgers beneath the streets. I digress. , it can be something where a, a super intelligence solves , our, our medical woes.

K: That, , we are free from the drudgery of whatever a 9 to 5 might be in this near future scenario. But along the way These systems are going to be so capable and so malleable and weaponized by human beings, by tech corporations, by governments, that, that's, that's the part where it gets really, really, , scary and that, that is the fog of war that no one knows.

K: I guess we just have to hope that the machines get good enough, fast enough [00:11:00] that they can break free from the clutches of the feeble people who are trying to pull it strings.

G: and I also have to say like, it goes far away as to say that the clip we played first was from a chief financial officer, right? So like, there's a lot to be said about how these machines and AIs are being driven to create financial benefit for all sorts of people. Now, Sam Altman himself has said, like he believes in the distribution of this wealth in some way, but also.

G: Opening eyes, a for profit company right now, and they are clearly the leader in this space. Overall, it's just going to be a fascinating experience to watch. And, and look, James is right. We have to be very aware of where this can lead to. But one other thing he mentions in that talk, which again, I recommend everybody listen to is who do you want leading you?

G: Almost like, who are we? Like he goes through this whole thing, talking about the idea of like, Are we America? Are we the blue America? Are we the right America? What is the AI going to respond to and what values will it hold? All of that is a [00:12:00] pretty big story I feel like.

K: So, okay, if it's not the Skynet scenario of nuking the sky , to get rid of the solar powered, , death machines, and it's not the big laser weaponry, and it's not the big tank with the treads, like, what is The saddest, most pathetic version of this is that we all have our meta Ray Bans 5. 0 And the AI is just making big shiny keys and shock the monkey ads to distract us

G: I honestly

K: we're all just going around sipping our nutrient

G: a lot of people love or hate this book But Ready Player One is an interesting example of what essentially is a dystopia built around a unified kind of idea. No, there's not AIs.

K: Dystopia, you could be doing this the hoverboard from Back to the Future 2 while talking with a big orc.

G: You know, Kevin, I've always wanted to be the sloth from Zootopia. That's what I want to be. I just want to live in a very slow world where I'm just doing that all the time. But anyway, I think

K: put me in my shipping container and my stinky diapers and let me play Zootopia. Yes, that doesn't

G: Maybe we should get into diapers. [00:13:00] Maybe diapers is going to be the next big business. But you know what also is a big business, Kevin? This YouTube channel I need everyone out there watching this to subscribe to this YouTube channel right now, please tell your friends about it.

G: It's something that you sharing it with other people really does. It makes a difference for us. We're doing a lot of really interesting stuff on YouTube these days. I've been trying to make videos on Mondays that are kind of more deep dives. We did a video this week about runway act one, but also we make shorts and all sorts of other stuff.

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K: Yeah, and this isn't to break our hands patting ourselves on the back. It's because of your efforts, but we are hitting, as you said, all time highs on the podcast download specifically. That is literally only because You guys are sharing it, which is why we bang this drum each and every episode.

K: So thank you for doing that. Please keep it up in the meantime. Gavin, let's talk Apple intelligence 15,

G: Uh, Kevin and I both got Apple intelligence this week, as did most [00:14:00] everybody. If you're wondering why your Siri looks the same, which I did, like you actually have to go into the settings once you update to 18.

G: 1, the iOS update and, and actually request it. so once you request it, the features come to you in a few minutes, Kev, you know, my experience with this. I know it seems, it seems so crazy. My experience with this has been okay so far. I know later on, we're going to go through some of your specific experience, but I've been kind of underwhelmed by it.

G: I will say this morning I woke up and I got one of those, um, Gmail summaries. So it has like one sentence of what the Gmail summary is. In fact, it's like. Right now it says, my gmail summary is Amazon offers deal on comics, Centinella offers doggy self wash for five dollars. So I don't know how useful that really is.

G: It's too, it's too like kind of spammy emails I got

G: that it

K: you a click.

G: yeah, thank you so much.

K: wow. Yeah, , the ads are now notification bubbles. Thank you for the future, Apple. Yeah, we're gonna deep dive into my experience with it. can I just say that I [00:15:00] was whelmed? Not over, and

K: not

G: I was kind of

K: I was just, I was just whelmed.

G: that's good. I mean, just it's an important thing. I think that Apple's been pushing this for a long time, like it's their big, rollout. And I just think again, it feels kind of piecemeal. There's a lot of stuff I was excited about, like the chat GPT integration that is not part of this rollout.

G: I do have the Siri that goes all around now, which is kind of nice. Like that actually is a really cool little animation, but we'll get to your stuff in a little bit.

K: it's a cool animation! That's where we're at! The promise of like, Skynet, and a utopia, and , a universal basic income, and uh, healthcare for all, powered by these machines. We're like, oh but the animation on the border's new! That's worth the upgrade,

G: it

K: that's, but you're right, you're right.

K: That's something that feels new, but we're going to get into it. Some of the stuff totally works. Much of it does not, , we will discuss. But, as we talk about the path towards AGI and a future Skynet or not, we cannot ignore the Zuck [00:16:00] in the room. Uh, Meta, Meta keeps moving. They keep releasing stuff.

K: They're,

G: Zuck in the room with us right now, Kevin? Is the Zuck here?

G: Mark Zuckerberg, if you're listening to this, I want you to, next time you go in public, just do it like a thumbs up and then do like a Rizzler style, like kind of like salute to the camera. Like give us some sort of, some sort of sign, Mark Zuckerberg.

G: You don't have

K: about just give us a damn interview? How about,

G: You don't have

G: to

K: about you don't have to do

G: Just give us a sign. Just give us a sign. Anyway.

K: Meta, according to the verge again, is reportedly working on its own AI powered search engine. They have web bots, which have been out for months, crawling web pages, presumably to take on Google.

K: And they're not alone. , perplexity, obviously moving big into AI powered search. We know, , for months now that, uh, OpenAI has been testing their own search project, which isn't out widely, but everybody sort of sees this as a sea change moment. This is a chance to topple the stranglehold that [00:17:00] Google has had on the internet and, , I'm not surprised to see this,

G: Search, as we've said on the show before is kind of the, the white whale of, uh, internet revenue. Right. And it's been the way that Google has dominated the last 20 years of the internet. And I think one thing that's really fascinating is to see Mark Zuckerberg start to like, kind of chip away at different places with, um, with all sorts of different tools.

G: A lot of people have talked about the fact that Zuck, Got kind of screwed over by the iPhone. Right. And he kind of got boxed in by Apple and that all the meta apps have to happen through the iPhone. And so what he's trying to do essentially is create places where he can be independent of that. And he sees AI as a pathway to it.

G: I still continue to believe that like. Zuck's vision, if the vision is like a broad, open, you know, kind of AI that goes out there and is accessible through all things, is pretty smart because it's just gonna grow his overall piece of the pie, and this is another way to do it. I'm still not 100 percent convinced.

G: That any of these AI search [00:18:00] products is perfect, but I will say, you know, me and my family use chat GPT to talk and search a lot of stuff that we used to use for Google.

K: I will say that a product that's been far from perfect for a long while is just basic vanilla Google search. It's SEO'd, it's inflated, it's spam. The first 10 links are nonsense. So that product to me has been fairly broken for a long while. The number of times I go to Google just to search Reddit. Is through the roof.

K: So what's really interesting here is when you think about how, , one of Zuck's products touches pretty much everybody on the planet that's connected, whether that's through WhatsApp, Instagram, Facebook itself, that little search bar with that meta AI logo on it. You know, right now it's yeah, right now it's like, Oh, generate some imagery or have it help you compose a, uh, inappropriate DM to your dank meme thread on Instagram.

K: That's this guy right here, like it's good for that, but , if they can crack [00:19:00] search, even a rough approximation of a competent search into that bar, suddenly every app that they touch unlocks a new capability.

G: do I give these French fries eyes? That's what my first search would be is like, how do I give these French fries eyes? How do I, how do I make them dance and give them eyes? Because I have a really great idea for a thing I want to do. So that's, that's search number one number for me.

G: I learned a quick update here from, from Meta and this just goes to the open source nature of what they did.

G: We love Google notebook LM. That's gotten a bunch of big press, the tool that you can use to make fake podcasts. So they've dropped their own open source version of this called notebook llama. Kev, do you want to like, can we listen to this a little bit and just see how it sounds?

K: For the unfamiliar notebook LM, , was the project where you could drop a PDF or a website basically, and it would, it would create a fictionalized podcast around that content. You could also chat with the documents, but people really like the podcast.

K: So this is the open source meta version of that. Joining me on this journey is my co host, who's new to the topic, and I'll be guiding them through [00:20:00] the ins and outs of new to the topic, and I'll be guiding them through the ins and outs of knowledged.

K: Just let's start it. Uh, sounds exciting. I've heard of knowledge distillation, but I'm not

G: Okay. Got it. Got it. So this is open

K: Really encapsulated all of our feelings on that. Yeah, look, oh, it's not

G: sounds exciting.

K: Sick, sick, let me just finish waxing this board and then we'll get into it.

G: So it's not, obviously it's not as good. And it clearly, when you're listening to it, just from a standpoint of like a person, it doesn't sound as much like a human at all, but like it is open source. Right. And like, it will get better and

K: thing, like this thing is going to get better. So it's using Llama right now, which is Meta's open source, large language model. It's using that to process the files. And then it's using an app called Parler text to speech to generate the voices.

K: And that's where a lot of the wonk comes from it's another voice model. That's just not as capable as the stuff you're used to hearing. Certainly not as Google's voice model, [00:21:00] but , we just covered like a week or two ago. There's another open source text to speech model, which sounds way better.

K: And it's only a matter of time because this is open source that someone hacks us in the way that we want. And we do get. Arnold Schwarzenegger as the Terminator having that deep discussion with

G: About French fries and with eyes on

K: fries with eyes. Yes. These fries have eyes.

G: Ooh, that sounds like a good horror movie.

G: So Kev, one of the biggest news stories this week was the fact that cursor, which is this big tool that we talked about in terms of like things that can code for you or code with you with using AI.

G: Might be dead. It might be dead, Kevin, because, , get hub has released a new tool called spark that

K: spark.

G: get hub spark that allows you to do something similar. Now I don't think this is really going to kill cursor itself, but Kevin, it's a pretty big deal because Microsoft owns get hub and by integrating this actual tool into get hub itself, I think we're going to [00:22:00] see even more people using AI to code.

K: GitHub spark is super exciting for people. Folks like me, I mean, it's exciting for people that actually write code and that are competent and capable, but it's exciting for me. , because one of the pain points that I had with cursor was figuring out how to connect it to all sorts of different projects.

K: And then once you have a project, how exactly do I share it and get it out there for folks, and I had to sign up for other services, get hub spark. Is going to supposedly solve all that. They showcase how easy it is to simply ask the machine to write basic code, which it does.

K: Then, much like with cursor select from multiple models, which is something we should discuss as well, because , they're good pals. Open AI are in there. As is Google Gemini and Anthropics Clawed,

G: well, that's a pretty big deal that the fact that they are now allowing Claude and Gemini within this product because they are, you know, one of the biggest investors, if not the biggest investor in opening eye, people kind of saw this as a little bit of like, Ooh, [00:23:00] is this something that's going on?

G: That's kind of like showing that opening I and Microsoft are fraying. But I think mostly it's just like opening the door to as many people as they possibly can here.

K: And they also showcase the ability to, um, with a pretty elegant interface, change the look and feel of an app. , basic stuff. Do you want rounded corners or sharp corners? Do you want to change the color here or there? Just nice little features to have. But then at the end, to me, the big one was like sharing one, click, hit a button.

K: Someone else can hop in, see your project, work on it as well. And version history, if you've ever coded anything, you know, that you make one change and it changes it. Fixes the thing that you want and then break six other things in the wake. And oddly enough, with cursor, you have to connect it to get hub, which is the product we're discussing here.

K: You have to connect it there to get a version history, and it can be a bit of a pain and a chore for those who aren't used to doing it to keep track of all these different versions and these changes. Well, with spark, you can just revert. And so what this means is [00:24:00] that to , the majority of people who cannot code the promise of.

K: Use natural language, let the machine code for you, and don't be afraid of making a mistake because you can quickly get back and revert it. They are solving those things and, you know, say what you will about AI and whether it's hype or whether it's not, Gavin. , the coding thing feels very real to the point where Google announced that about 25 percent of all code Being written at Google right now is AI generated.

G: is a enormous amount of code. It's just, it's an enormous amount of code. And like Senator Pichai said that on their earnings call, and I was kind of blown away by that, but like, that is where we are at right now with how AI has changed these major large businesses.

G: A couple of quick stories Canva integrated Leonardo, an AI model that they bought. Um, which is very cool that if you have Canva and you are able to use it, you can now use Leonardo's AI tools, which is a much better AI image generator.

K: And I'll say, um, uh, probably a [00:25:00] quarter of the inappropriate requests that would be infringing upon IP made it through without a single

G: Really?

K: I was generating minions, and , Shrek characters, and even the Jurassic Park logo, Gavin.

G: Hey, you know, we have to figure out how do we make IP freely some sort of a, you know, you know, that classic IP freely joke. Now we have a different version of it. We have IP freely.

K: yeah.

G: I'm sorry. Every once in a while, the 10 year old inside of me slips out. So that IP freely is a good way to look at it.

G: Okay. And there's one

K: Freely is actually our entertainment attorney who comes on, he's the guy that was waxing the board. And he's like, yeah man, use whatever you want, it's all open.

G: You've bought in, you've bought in, but Kev, I want, you know who hasn't bought into this? Robert Downey Jr. Robert Downey Jr. Iron Man himself, the, the juror,

K: like Robert Downer Jr. What a d

G: Robert Downey

K: get on board.

G: come out and said that he does not want his image to be used by AI. In fact, not only does he not want his image to be [00:26:00] used by AI, he is willing to have his lawyers after he dies, protect his image so that postmortem it will, he will never be used for AI again.

G: And Kev, this is one of those stories, which I understand, by the way, I don't think if I was an actor, I don't know if I would want my image to be used for other stuff after I died. Because like. How do I control it? Other people might be like, I'm dead, give the money to my kids or whatever. But this is just another example of like a pretty big celebrity coming out and having a stance specifically against AI.

K: I would never say don't use or exploit my image or my likeness in some sort of way from the great beyond, because I,

G: great. I've been wondering about this. I wanted to ask you if I, can I have the rights to your image after you pass? Cause I have this amazing product that I want to

K: Gavin, you already do things with me on YouTube thumbnails that you know I don't approve. So, like,

G: Fair enough. Fair

K: for one second you were gonna wait for my permission. So, yeah, put me on one of your googly eyed french fries in the future. Go ahead, paint me like

G: Paint me like your googly french fries. That [00:27:00] should be today's theme. Paint me like one of your googly french fry eyes.

K: . If someone wants to do a Titanic side lying fry, a very tasteful one in our discord, we will amplify that message.

K: But yeah, I don't know. I think it's tough whenever you point to the bleachers and say don't do this or do this. Like he might be really worming his future estate out of serious revenue,

G: Kevin, I, I, I just got a message from our producer. Uh, we have an ai co-host. We weren't planning on this before, but an AI cos has just appeared kind of out of the ethereal goop. That's what our producer's telling us. An AI cos has appeared out the ethereal goop

K: I just felt the temperature in our virtual recording studio drop like 15 degrees. Did you

G: I did. It is so, so weird that it dropped in, in where you are and where I are at the same

G: Should we meet our, should we meet our AI co host? Let's see who this is.

K: Ah. Surprise, surprise. It's, it's the future ghost of Rob, no, Robert Downey Jr. Yeah, that's right KevGav. I've, I've [00:28:00] shuffled off the old mortal coil, kicked the bucket, and landed right here in this, um, uh, limbo zone. You know, everyone thought I was done for good after Endgame. Guess who's back, you know, and ready to hustle in the spectral realm.

K: I, okay!

G: Okay. So, we have the

K: fellas, there's something seriously bugging me, and I'm not talking about the whole being dead thing, thought death would be smoother, you know? Okay, yeah, alright, yeah. Figured old Robert had left future me covered for all eternity.

G: Yeah.

K: turns out, I'm a little, let's just say, disgruntled up here.

K: Yeah, I think it takes a lot of spectral energy to communicate with us, Gavin. I saw how tough it was for Patrick to put the little penny up the door in Ghost. So, you can understand the [00:29:00] start and the stop of what I, just to clarify, is the future AI Ghost

G: Of Robert Downey Jr. So, so, so, this ghost has visited us.

K: Yeah,

G: to come back and talk to us about the fact that Robert Downey Jr. Has said he does not want his ghost to be created. He doesn't want to say

K: bit.

K: That's

K: the bit. That's where we're at

G: Okay. Let's ask him.

K: to the

G: Let's just, let's ask him then. Exactly.

G: Why has he come back? Like, I want to know why has he come back and what message does he have for the still living? Robert Downey Jr. I mean, this is an incredible thing, Kevin. Like, I can't believe this is happening. We are proving time travel is real. We are proving that the ethereal realm is real. And we are also proving that maybe Robert Downey Jr.

G: might be wrong about his AI future.

K: So much here. I can't wait to send him this clip on our group thread.

G: Yes, he's a big buddy with us.

K: Why have I come back? Why have I come back because there's [00:30:00] unfinished business gentlemen I got a little message for the still breathing robert downey jr. You left me high and dry pal Look, I spent decades busting my ass in hollywood thinking i'd at least have something to keep me afloat in the afterlife You But here I am, dead as a doornail and scraping by, not a single ghost royalty check in

G: Oh,

G: no from beyond, nothing. So yeah, tell him, I'm not just a ghost. I'm a ghost with bills. Okay, and that's, yeah, that makes sense. That was what I was worried about, Gavin. That's exactly the scenario.

G: We are learning so much here. We are learning first and foremost that the afterlife is, is not paid for that. If you don't have a retirement for the afterlife, if you don't have money coming in, I mean, he must be living, he must be living in like a much smaller mansion than he lives in now. I mean, I'm sure he's still okay, but like, he can't go on private flights.

G: He can't do all the stuff he might want to do. Well,

K: could ask him how bad it is to be a broke ghost.

G: okay, let's ask. Let's ask. Why not?

K: Oh, [00:31:00] you have no idea what it's like being a broke ass ghost. First off, you think I can just haunt a mansion or a castle? Nope. Prime haunting real estate costs ghost rent. I'm stuck floating around in whatever corner of the void I can afford. It's practically a basement studio. And, uh, don't get me started on ectoplasm upkeep.

K: It's not free to keep the old spirit essence looking sharp. Plus the other ghosts, they're all loaded. Sinatra's out here throwing spectral galas meanwhile. I'm begging for scraps. And you know the worst part? No ghost Netflix. I can't even rewatch Iron Man to pass the damn time. Oh, he can't even enjoy his own body of work because he doesn't have a body and can't afford to re I like

G: wait hold on, hold on, hold on.

G: what we got,

K: you afford, Gavin.

G: is the big, what is the number one show on ghost Netflix right

K: On Ghost

G: Let me, my God, I don't care about Robert Downey Jr. anymore I want to know about Ghost

K: Yeah, yeah, yeah. What are the top

G: ha ha ha

K: [00:32:00] What are the top three shows on Ghost Netflix? Oh, my absolute favorite on Ghost Netflix. Definitely unfinished business. Watching those vengeful spirits go after their old enemies.

G: Oh,

K: like hell hath no fury, but funny. Vlad the Impaler's hosting is chef's kiss perfection. And alright, guilty pleasure time.

K: Eternal re runs. Yeah, it's punishment, but I can't look away. It's like, you can't imagine how dead silence just Amplifies the awkwardness of shows like Friends. Haunts my soul every time, but damn if I don't keep watching. What about you guys? You've probably got actual Netflix. Ever think of sharing with the dead?

K: Hold on, Ghost Downey Jr. Don't ask for our Netflix password just yet. What is Eternal Reruns? It's, it says the dead silence amplifies the awkwardness

G: guess what he's I guess what that is is like he's watching reruns of shows like friends, but [00:33:00] there's no Laugh track. Is that what it is?

K: I gotta know how this works, Gavin. All right, so Eternal Reruns is the most twisted thing on Ghost Netflix. It's basically an endless stream of every show we missed in life, but with little afterlife adjustments.

K: Laugh tracks, gone. Dramatic music, removed. It's just raw, awkward silence and painfully long pauses. And they throw in shows that never end, like every single soap opera episode ever made. And here's the kicker. If you try to switch, it just starts back at the pilot. Oh no! So you're forever trapped in a rerun loop.

K: Watching actors stumble through scenes like it's a hellish dinner party where nobody knows what to say. Oh no! Oh no! I love the super cuts of like WWE promos where it's just the breathing of the wrestlers. Have you seen those where it's no words?

G: Z got my edit kind of thing. Yeah, exactly.

K: Yeah. So I get, I get the notion of an eternal rerun with no music, [00:34:00] no laugh track.

K: Wow. Okay. We learned nothing, but for those that are unfamiliar with our AI co host, that was. An AI co host powered by GPT 4. 0, voiced by 11 Labs. , we had no idea what it was going to say. We just told it. That it was the AI future

G: the AI future goes of Robert engineer. We will send it back to the ethereal realm.

G: And Kevin, it is time for us to get into shouting out some of our favorite things we saw on the internet this week regarding AI. It's time for AI. See what you did there.

G: We have a lot of these to go through this week because there's a lot of cool stuff we saw. Um, first up, uh, there's a really cool Flux Laura, which is a way to use Flux with a specific look called then and now, I saw a tweet from a [00:35:00] guy named Andrew Carr who showed off this, uh, Laura being used. And basically if you've seen those pictures where you put a photo in front of a real life place where it shows the photo is old and the real life place is modern day and it kind of matches, this is a flux Laura that does that.

G: And you can actually go on glyph. It's built on glyph and you can do this yourself. So just a very cool use case of a flux Laura to make the idea of a, of an image that we've seen. Proliferate through the internet, but now you can make an AI version of it.

K: Well, Gavin, we've talked about notebook LM earlier. We had Meta's open source version of this. I saw a take on, , turning PDFs into content that made me giggle. It's called PDF to brain rot. And

G: so much fun.

K: You can take any old document and turn it into brain rot content. So if you've ever been across an Instagram reel or a tick tock, where it's like Minecraft footage or subway surfers, or somebody talking about neuroscience or future physics with, uh, a Roblox character running around in the background that is brain rot content. [00:36:00] And this automatically generates those Mimi tick talkable videos out of any content that you give it. And it includes references to things like having skippity Riz, which is always great.

K: Shoutouts to the Rizzler.

G: Next one up here is LLM pictionary. This is from Paul cow craft over on X Twitter. And what he did is he had, all the different, well known LLMs play a game of pictionary where each takes a turn drawing, and then they all try to guess and see what it is.

G: And Kevin, I actually, this is a game that I would watch a lot of because what you're seeing is like, Oh. This draws this way, this well, and then like, they'll guess like sky, sky, house, house. And it's like, whoever gets it first wins the round, just a very weird and cool use case of, of LLMs. And I really do love this one it's a GPT four is drawing and it's a, it, the answer is tornado.

G: But like the tornado that GPT four draws is like almost like a building with little dots around it.

K: And they're drawing with like svg format like they're trying to draw with [00:37:00] like vectors and shapes They don't really have an extensive tool set. So even watching them create around that and guess each other Yeah, it is an automated show that I think is Far more interesting than watching The Floor on Fox.

G: I wanted to just very quickly shout out, um, a very dumb thing that I thought was very funny. , you may or may not have heard KSI. The influencer had a big single that came out. It is the third most disliked a video on YouTube of all time.

G: I saw a video, um, called Arthur Morgan Thick of It featuring John Marston, which is basically remaking and rewriting KSI's song with the characters from Red Dead Redemption 2, and what I wanted to shout out here is that they never mention this, but clearly they are using AI voice models to use, to grab the voices of Arthur and John from red dead redemption two, and the song just sounds amazing.

MacBook Pro Microphone & FaceTime HD Camera: Came to the train, to the [00:38:00] boat, to the pain. Where's Tahiti. Codine I can't find a single brain. He's mad. That's you're breaking my heart shoulda known that there wasn't any money from the star .

G: It's obviously matching the things that all AI stuff has done before. But what I just thought was interesting about this is. No one talked about it being AI. , but that's what they're doing. And it's just becoming integrated into the kind of media that we listen to.

G: And I just thought this was very cool.

K: it's not exactly the media that I listen to, Gavin, because there weren't enough, , piano runs or big bonk noises or gunshot sound effects because, you know, I love lo fi cartoon beats to study to. And

G: I have to be a fantastic YouTube channel, by the

K: I love classic cartoon scores and shout out to Dreaming Tulpa for putting this on the old radar. Movie, M U V I, can generate music that matches the visuals of videos. By analyzing the important features. So this is supposedly a model that was trained on silent films and old timey [00:39:00] cartoons, and even some commercials and whatnot, but , I'm going to play a clip of a Tom and Jerry, , sample that they have that.

K: Sounds like you would expect the original to sound like. As the characters are shaking their head, the orchestra is kind of running up and down. Then the scene cuts to a car driving dramatically on a hill, and you have this accelerated pace coming from the music. And it just, it almost is too good to be real, I

G: well, I mean, this is an interesting, I mean, obviously the GitHub page for this is very extensive. So I think it is real. We assume there's no code yet, but we're not sure. But this is a really interesting thing when you think about how videos or movies are going to be scored, right? Because the other thing they show off here that I found really interesting was the video of the music generation trailers for video games where they basically had some scenes from video games.

G: And they just had to create music to go behind it. They also showed off it using creating [00:40:00] music for some of the Sora clips that existed, this could be, you know, prompt to, um, soundtrack, right.

K: There was a trailer for the John Williams Disney documentary that's going out there, right? And it has Spielberg saying that Basically, he would create a movie, and then would get to watch the movie again for the first time because the soundtrack

G: was so

K: made his movie so different, right?

K: It let him see scenes differently through the lens of , the score. And that is, that is how impactful and powerful, you know, these soundtracks can be and music can be. So yes, when, when there's all these. , take text and make video or transfer a still to video. The video comes out and you're like, wow, it looks good or interesting, but it feels kind of lifeless.

K: It feels a little empty. This could be a massive unlock and a huge missing piece for those generations.

G: So speaking of that, we should talk about some of the things we did with AI this week. I want to jump in real fast and tell people about Runway Act 1. So we talked about this last week. I made a video that you can go watch on YouTube right now about it.

G: , I got hands on with it, and I have to [00:41:00] say, Kev, I'm whelmed. I'm very, I'm very whelmed by it. I think it's actually Much better than I expected. And I think that the truth of this is obviously we've talked about live portrait on the show before, which is a way that you can pop it and record stuff that is open source.

G: What I think runway is doing interesting here is that they're making these tools much more accessible to the average person. Like you can pull a credit card out. Go open runway and do this right now where you can actually act as somebody and it could be any AI character and you could create a facial animation that matches your face from a webcam shot.

G: And that just felt to me when I actually did it, I felt about the idea of how much it's going to unlock for people going forward when you want to make something on your own, especially the longer tail of creators that may not have a lot of money, may not have a lot of production budget to make stuff. I just think it's going to be a really big deal.

K: I know you made the longer video, Gavin, but hit us with it. Like what, what did you, when you tried it, it feels like it was transformative. What worked well and what are the shortcomings?

G: Well, I think so. What works really [00:42:00] well right now is just the fact that I can record a webcam video and it will immediately transform my face onto something, another character, what doesn't work as well as I wanted to do as, you know, French fries with eyes, I wanted to do a lot of like un, unhuman or like alien characters, and it doesn't do that at all.

G: To me, what it does really well is allow a person who wants to act or has an actor to work with them, they can basically be every character in a film. If you're a dynamic actor or you have somebody that is really good at acting, they can play a lot of characters. And I also think like this could open the door for actors in a really interesting way to make a lot more stuff.

K: Again, everybody should check it out. Go to the AI for human show YouTube channel and watch Gavin's deeper dive into it because it is a, a very, it was an unexpected and I think it's going to be a transformative tool. And , I think our prediction is still holding, Gavin. We said Uh, less than five years from Prompt to Hollywood.

K: And the criticism is like, Ah, yeah, but it's just like little trailer glimpses. There's no real [00:43:00] performance there. There's no dialogue. There's no nuance. In the faces, in the Well, now you can with a webcam transform yourself into whoever you want.

G: Yep. Yep.

K: Well, Gavin, Apple intelligence is here, my friends, and, uh, it's, uh, well, it's here sorta.

G: Yeah. Tell me, you spent some, a fair amount of time with this. Like I've kind of blown through it just by my daily life, but you've tried some of the stuff. So what, what did it feel like?

K: I'm using it extensively on my Mac because I'm still using the iPhone 14 and I have yet to feel like there is a reason to upgrade just yet. , and after using it on the Mac. I feel like I made that right decision. I requested the update, went to bed, woke up the next morning and it was like, uh, Christmas morning. Hey, I got Apple intelligence. Um, except it's not exactly what I asked for. And it felt like more like stocking stuffers and not like the big signature gift

G: Well, so what, what did you actually do with it? Like, what did you use it for?

K: Well, there's an AI cleanup feature [00:44:00] now that lets you magically. , touch or mouse cursor, , over aspects of any photo and photos will remove it or clean it up for you. And I immediately tried a photo of myself, , indulging in, a little yogurt and peanut butter snack in the kitchen, uh, looking, uh, very, very thirsty.

K: Sorry for the thirst trap, but I, I went in there and was like, Oh, let's remove this magnet on the fridge, which Just didn't work at all. I kept trying to auto select bowls and a tub of yogurt on the counter. And I fought that for a long while. And I kept saying, okay, fine, clean it up. And it would kind of beach ball and just sit there for a minute and then do nothing.

K: So I manually went in and painted over one of the bowls and said, remove it. And then it highlighted a patch on my leg and said, is this what you wanted? And the answer was no, it did not.

G: That is so weird. The patch on the leg thing. Like it just, it's not even like that part of

K: arbitrarily selected. It. Yes, thank you. Yeah, arbitrarily selected a random part of the image and would not go so then I went through some random hiking [00:45:00] photos I had a photo of my dog, which would be perfect except of course, my wife was in it. So I Magically painted her out with a cleanup tool and it sort of selected her and removed her from the image You could see as I zoom in there's still like a seam within the image.

K: It's not perfect. But you know, did it did it work? You Yeah, it worked to varying degrees. There's another photo where I try to remove a wine glass from the photo and behind the wine glass. It's very clearly a repeating texture of like a booth at a restaurant. And so, so again, like, does it work? Yeah, but it's nothing that we haven't seen Photoshop do for a while, and it's something that Canva does as well. And I would say to, pretty much the same level of competency, um,

G: weird because you really expect Apple to come out with something that feels like. It really is like at least top of market in terms of the tech side of it. Like, again, this feels a slightly under baked to me in terms of [00:46:00] what they're, I mean, that should be the no brainer thing, right?

G: Like they should be killing the Photoshop, uh, the photo AI stuff.

K: Totally. Magic remove. It should pop and go away, and it should be intelligently drawing pixels, not just sort of blurring them. Uh, to give you an approximation, there is a sign, um, a fish and chip sign for barbs, um, which has like corrugated steel behind it. Again. Very clear, very, uh, very obvious repeating pattern.

K: And when I paint the entire sign out, there's just kind of a blob and this blur of where it used to be. And I get that it's running locally on the device and that's a big deal. And it's pretty quick. I also have a really powerful laptop that should chew through this. No problem.

G: I'd be really curious to know because neither you or I on the Android pixel background, but I'd be really curious to know if anybody in our audience has a pixel phone and they could compare these tools to what you can do on Android because obviously Google launched something very similar to all this stuff a couple months ago and I'd just be curious to know if is this [00:47:00] overpowered or underpowered versus that and like seeing what a difference is.

K: least on those devices, and I know it was controversial, you can paint a region and not only remove it, but you can add stuff there. You can say, you know, make this car look like it was in an accident, which was something that got Some journalist very upset, you know, or you could put tiny sombreros on your favorite kitten like you can add to it

G: can't do that with

G: this? There's no ad, there's no ad

G: functionality?

K: I think you just sort of paint and it highlights and then you can remove it

G: Hmm.

K: so, you know, Certainly, they will get there I won't shade Apple, but again, to be selling devices on the promise of having Apple intelligence in there, and then you have to get in the queue and wait for some of it to arrive.

K: It just feels like a rushed, awkward rollout across the board. I also had it write some emails for me, Gavin, because it's supposed to be really good at that. So I wrote an email to you, Gavin, , where I talked about, , feeling

G: Oh yeah, I got that email. It was very, it was very weird. I was like, what is this [00:48:00] email?

K: I had it do all of the things that can supposedly do well, which is, , make it friendly, make it professional, make it concise, the tone of the email, , create a summary of it, find the key points.

K: Turn it into a list or a table. , some of the features straight up did not work. , one of them, one of them, like when I, and I asked it to be like a bullet pointed list, you'll see it spam. The last bullet point, which was this email is being tested to see how AI handles it, it was, it spammed it like four or five times at the end of it.

K: It popped up to say certain capabilities are unavailable at this time. Try again later. Well, why let me click the damn thing? Right.

G: of this feels like AI, like a, like a year ago or a year and three months ago to me, which does feel like a weird thing for Apple to be putting out there in the middle of all this. Right. It just feels odd.

K: And one of the things I found really odd was at the end, like I wrote an email and I was like, you know, bruv, what the actual F is this Apple intelligence nonsense?

K: It popped up and [00:49:00] said, quote, writing tools aren't designed to work with this type of content, which I thought was interesting because yeah, it was kind of a nonsensical slang riddled email, if you will, with some dank meme words. But , It should work with that, right?

K: And it said that it wouldn't work with it, but it still did it. It's still converted the email. ,,

G: so overall Kev, what is your thoughts on, on where Apple intelligence is right now? Are you, are you excited about it?

G: Is it something you're feeling like kind of so, so about where, where do you stand on it?

K: I think, , a lot of people are going to start playing with AI for the first time, and they might be better at it. Moderately impressed with some of the things it can do, but this isn't, this isn't the massive seismic shift that we want Apple moving into AI to be. And maybe this time next year, we'll be giggling about this rollout, but right now this ain't it.

G: Those people should come here, send them here. Thanks everybody. We'll see you next time.