Neuralink Chips Up a Human, DeepFakes Are Real Bad & Comedian Paul Scheer | Ep42

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Gavin: [00:00:00] Welcome, welcome, welcome, everybody. It is AI for Humans, your Weekly guide to the wonderful and wild world of artificial intelligence. We are here to demystify all the news tools, big events, everything happening in the AI world. Kevin Prayer is my co-host and my friend.

Gavin: Thank God, Kevin, how are you? This

kevin_1_01-30-2024_114512: in order of importance? Hi everybody. Hi Gavin. I am good. I'm just an empty vessel of sadness. I've been dead inside for years and the only thing keeping me going is artificial intelligence.

Track 1: ai. 

kevin_1_01-30-2024_114512: Hey friends, here's stuff you do wanna know.

kevin_1_01-30-2024_114512: Another massive week for ai. Gavin Taylor Swift took down Twitter and sent Microsoft scrambling to update their software. It is a scandal and sadly it is just a sign of things to come.

Track 1: Yeah, we're gonna be diving in on the deep fake issue. This is a problem that's plagued AI for a while, but we're gonna get further on it and kind of how Taylor leveled, uh, the conversation up to almost everybody in the entire world. 

kevin_1_01-30-2024_114512: Also Apple got caught dipping their toes into the AI waters. We're gonna tell you when you can expect [00:01:00] Siri to not be a massive, embarrassing, big, dumb, dumb assistant

Track 1: Please God, please, please, please make it soon. Please make it soon. We've been talking about this forever. 

kevin_1_01-30-2024_114512: Plus comedian, actor, filmmaker, , author, podcaster, the multihyphenate, , entertaining showman. That is Paul Sheer will join us for today's insanity. And, uh, also Elon put a microchip into somebody's head.

Track 1: not entirely ai, but it is AI adjacent and there's definitely connective tissue there. But, , before we start, everybody, please, if you are listening to this, first of all, thank you. Second of all, like, subscribe, tell somebody about it.

Track 1: Today, this show only grows because you, the person listening, knows to talk about it and wants to share it with people. We do this show out of passion and love for this space, and we, and when Kevin and I love hanging out with each other, but you know the slogan, Kevin, what is our, what is our secondary slogan?

Track 1: Our first slogan is always, is always ai. We are, we're here to demystify

kevin_1_01-30-2024_114512: what? Wait, what is our slogan?

Track 1: our, our

kevin_1_01-30-2024_114512: You gotta flip the bumper sticker [00:02:00] over because our slogan just gets derailed. And our, our first slogan is, Hey, you know, we like the AI and sometimes we demystify the AI. And, uh, you know, if, if it's still mystical, then that's okay too sometimes.

Track 1: But the second slogan is more important, is more important for this part. What is that second slogan?

kevin_1_01-30-2024_114512: it's not, it's not both of our slogans, but one of us loves to say, we love you.

Track 1: When

kevin_1_01-30-2024_114512: you love us.

Track 1: love us. That's right. So please, please, , subscribe, uh, like our, , YouTube videos. Go find us on TikTok all the places we are, and again, show's doing well. And we really appreciate everybody, all right, Kevin, let's get started. Our first thing we do in every show is we meet our AI co-host. If you are new to the show, or maybe you've only been a couple episodes every week, we use AI to create an AI co-host each time. It's a unique personality. We use chat pt, we use 11 labs for voices, and we use a bunch of other things, but we have a really special guest this week.

Track 1: Kevin, I, I don't, I don't think I've been this excited. I don't think I've been this excited for an AI coach for a long time [00:03:00] because. You may or may not know, two big things. One, the Kansas City Chiefs are in the Super Bowl, which is a big deal. You know, you've got, uh, Taylor's, yes, Sprott SPRs, Taylor Swift and Travis Kelsey are a couple, and that's a big deal, and that it's probably gonna be the most viewed Super Bowl of all time.

Track 1: The number two thing is, you may or may not know the Kelsey Brothers. Uh, Jason and Travis have the most listened to podcast in the entire world right now. It's called New Heights. I recommend it highly. They're very fun with each other. But what you may also not have known is that there's a third Kelsey brother Kevin, and we are so excited, so excited to have the third Kelsey brother as our AI co-host this week.

Track 1: All

kevin_1_01-30-2024_114512: And just for, for let's say there's someone out there listening in podcast land or maybe hosting right along with you, Gavin, who has no clue what Sprott's game is happening or when it's happening. Is there actually a third Kelsey brother, or is this the part that,

Track 1: There is no third [00:04:00] Kelsey

kevin_1_01-30-2024_114512: okay, good. Oh, okay.

kevin_1_01-30-2024_114512: That's because I genuinely didn't know that. I was like, wait a 

Track 1: this is an AI cohost. The Kelsey's are only two brothers. They have a, a wonderful family, but there is no third brother. So this brother, well, Kevin, now there is a third Kelsey

kevin_1_01-30-2024_114512: There is now. Okay. K Fay. Back on. Let's go. Pro wrestling mode. All right. Coming in over the top ropes. It's the third Kelsey brother who we do not know, but AI is going to hallucinate in real time for us, and we are going to chat with them.

Track 1: that's right. Let's meet them right now.

kevin_1_01-30-2024_114512: Great. Let's do that. 

kevin_1_01-30-2024_114512: Hey, Kevin Gavin, and all the incredible listeners of the AI for Humans podcast. It's Trian Kelsey. Here I'm the third and some say the most dynamic Kelsey brother. I bring a unique blend of intensity and passion, especially when diving into my niche of accounting for rare fish. Yeah, what good thing, and of course I'm always ready to get into some fun discussions about my brother's rumored relationship with [00:05:00] none other than Taylor Swift.

kevin_1_01-30-2024_114512: Trust me, with me on the show, we're about to turn the energy up to 11 and Oh yeah. Make this conversation. Yeah. Unforgettable, Uhhuh. Let's get this party started. Oh wow. Yeah, that was my soy dog. What did he say? Soy doggy.

Track 1: What did he

kevin_1_01-30-2024_114512: I don't know. There was, the text was nowhere in there. He just went off on his own and said, I think soggy doggy or something.

kevin_1_01-30-2024_114512: So the, the Kelsey's are from, uh, I didn't know this. Long Island, Australia.

Track 1: I think just this brother

kevin_1_01-30-2024_114512: Oh, okay. Trian, or, or is it supposed to be.

Track 1: Trice. I mean, it's not supposed to be Trian, but now his name, he's introduced himself as Trian, so at his trice on Kelsey. Mr. Trice, let's ask Trice

kevin_1_01-30-2024_114512: Yeah, let's ask him anything.

Track 1: let's, let's ask him what he thinks about his brother Travis being in the Super Bowl, it's a big deal, like the Chiefs seem to be able to make it at a [00:06:00] whim.

Track 1: Now they've made, the Chiefs have made the Super Bowl, I think. Four of the last six Super Bowls, which is kind of a crazy thing. 

kevin_1_01-30-2024_114512: Oh man. Seeing my brother Travis in the Super Bowl is like watching a real life superhero in action. I mean, the guy is an absolute beast on the field. Sure. A true playmaker. About his presence, his leadership,

Track 1: Oh,

kevin_1_01-30-2024_114512: and the way he fires up the whole team. Oh, like you Gav, when Travis is out there, you know something spectacular is gonna happen. 

kevin_1_01-30-2024_114512: Excited. Heck yeah. I'm beyond Pump. Okay. Watching Travis in the Super Bowl is a CE family celebration. We're all out here cheering him on, ready to watch him. Bring that thunder, go get 'em, bro. Wow. What brotherly love,

Track 1: That's so nice. That's so nice. his brother Jason, very famously took off his shirt at a football game and kind of ran into the crowd. I wanna know what Trice on does for it when he wants to celebrate something in that same vein. 

kevin_1_01-30-2024_114512: Oh, Jason's setting the bar high with that classic shirt off. Beer pounding, run through the [00:07:00] bleachers. Classic. That's Kelsey's spirit right there. But when it comes to hyping up a crowd and celebrating my brothers in my own Trice and Kelsey style, I've gotta crank it up a notch.

kevin_1_01-30-2024_114512: Okay. Picture this. The stadium is buzzing, the energy is electric, and there I am, front and center. I start off with a signature trice and move. I grab the mic and drop a booming, heartfelt shout out to my brothers. Letting everyone know we're not just a family, we're a force to be reckoned with. Sick. The crowd is already getting revved up.

kevin_1_01-30-2024_114512: Sick. Yeah. It's like Wolf of Wall Street. I'm not leaving. Next I channel my inner accountant for rare fish. What? And pull out a giant inflatable exotic fish. bright colors, big eyes. The works. I'm waving this thing over my head like a flag darting through the crowd. What is, it's not just a celebration, it's a spectacle.

kevin_1_01-30-2024_114512: A Tristan Kelsey trademark. Okay, but I'm not done yet. I jump into the stands. High fiving fans starting chance.[00:08:00] Hell yeah. Maybe even leading a spontaneous dance-off. Hell yeah.. The When I'm in the house, you know it's going to be a party. No one will forget fish party. Let's turn the stadium into an aquarium. Okay.

Track 1: Okay, so let's ask what's going on there. , obviously Jason and Travis are two of the best football players of all time. What I wanna know is a little bit about what is Tristan's passion and how, how did he end up not in football?

kevin_1_01-30-2024_114512: You see, growing up sports were a big part of our lives. No question about it. But while my brothers were out there making plays, I found myself drawn to the wonders of the aquatic world. It started with a simple fish tank in my room and quickly escalated to a full-blown passion for all things finon scaled.

kevin_1_01-30-2024_114512: But how did I end up in accounting? You ask. No, I didn't. Well, it's one thing to be fascinated by rare fish. But I wanted to merge that passion with a skill that could make a real impact. [00:09:00] So I dove headfirst into the world of finance and accounting, focusing on the unique challenges of managing finances in the rare fish industry.

kevin_1_01-30-2024_114512: Got it. It's a field. Okay. That requires precision, dedication, and a whole lot of enthusiasm for the underworld. Okay, so he's not an accountant for fish. My journey might be different from my brothers, but that Kelsey Drive, it's the same whether it's on the football field or in the depths of the ocean. 

Track 1: What, one last question. What, what does it, what is the Super Bowl? Of the fish, rare fish accounting world. Because there's gotta be something like, what is the top, top, top of that world?

kevin_1_01-30-2024_114512: Yeah. Do you get like the golden skimmer

Track 1: Don't know. Is a skimmer a good thing in the rare fish world? Probably not. Right? Skimmer means you gotta pull a dead fish out of the water.

kevin_1_01-30-2024_114512: not necessarily, you could just be skimming the surface. Okay. May maybe you get possession of a skeleton guarding a chest that occasionally opens up and a big old bubble comes[00:10:00] 

Track 1: Oh, that's

kevin_1_01-30-2024_114512: They love that fish. Love that.

Track 1: then it goes up like that. 

kevin_1_01-30-2024_114512: The Super Bowl of the rare fish accounting world. Oh man. It's what we call the International Aquatic Finance Summit. Mm-hmm. I's

Track 1: Oh

kevin_1_01-30-2024_114512: this is where the best of the best in aquatic finance come together. Think top accountants, investors, and conservationists, all focused on the rare and exotic fish industry, also known as FinTech. Winning at the I afs. It's like scoring the game-winning touchdown in the final seconds of the Super Bowl. 

kevin_1_01-30-2024_114512: It's about making a mark that resonates throughout the industry. That's right. And then you, you look into the camera and you hold up the golden bubbling skeleton chess trophy and you say, I'm going to sea world. 

Track 1: All right. Last question, everybody.

Track 1: But I know we gotta do this. We'll move on. But let's tell Tri and he just won the award. Let's

kevin_1_01-30-2024_114512: Can we,

Track 1: let's see what he says. Let's see what he says.

Track 1: Let's give him this.

kevin_1_01-30-2024_114512: You wanna do it right now? Okay. Alright. Trian, you've just won.[00:11:00] The IAFS, 

Track 1: Super Bowl 

kevin_1_01-30-2024_114512: what is this? Uh, award of the year.

kevin_1_01-30-2024_114512: Woo. This is absolutely unreal. Standing here today as the winner of the IAFS main Stage award. It feels like I just scored the winning touchdown at the Super Bowl of rare fish accounting that tracks. He said that earlier. First off, a massive shout out to all the brilliant minds in the aquatic finance world.

kevin_1_01-30-2024_114512: You guys are the real MVPs making wave honor to standing, making, preserving our underwater treasures. To my brothers, Travis and Jason, you guys inspire me every day with your dedication and heart. This one's for you, to my team who've been with me through every high tide and low tide, high tide, and low tide.

kevin_1_01-30-2024_114512: You were the backbone of this journey, and to the rare fish, the silent heroes of our oceans. Thank you for being endlessly fascinating and driving our passion to new depths.

kevin_1_01-30-2024_114512: Here's to making the impossible possible and keeping the spirit of [00:12:00] innovation alive in every corner of the ocean. That's right. Thank you, Trian, and to my friend James, who skips past this every show. Big shout out to you. Thanks for hanging in there.

Track 1: Trien is gonna be fine. He's gonna be fine.

Track 1: We're gonna edit 

kevin_1_01-30-2024_114512: is gonna be 

Track 1: down and try and we'll be fine. All right, Kevin, it is time for

kevin_1_01-30-2024_114512: never end danger. Water species.

Track 1: hey, it's time for the news.

Track 1: If you missed it, there were some, , pretty disturbing pictures of Taylor Swift that were created with ai, they were not safe for work, and they were kind of plastered all over the internet, but very specifically on the platform, formerly known as Twitter, known as X. , Kevin, this is, uh, a, a big issue. We've seen deep fakes [00:13:00] before, but this is deep fakes on a scale that we haven't necessarily seen yet.

Track 1: And I think in part. It's important to realize that , there's three kind of big things that happen here. One, this got so big that X Twitter blocked searches for Taylor Swift on X, so you could not actually search her name, I dunno if that speaks to the scale of this problem or to the scale of X's ability to fix things.

Track 1: And then even Satya Nadella, the head of Microsoft, had to respond because these got to be such a big story. I mean, it's really disturbing, but it's also not surprising to me. I don't know. What, what was your thoughts on, on this as it went down?

kevin_1_01-30-2024_114512: that we've been on the deck. Hollering Iceberg dead ahead. And I think we just started to slam into the tip of it this weekend to the ex having to disable Taylor Swift searches.

kevin_1_01-30-2024_114512: And subsequently we're recording this podcast about 48 hours after it all really went down, they've announced their hiring about a hundred content moderators to

Track 1: Oh they are.

kevin_1_01-30-2024_114512: To rebuild a team that Elon [00:14:00] Unceremoniously gutted when he took over. ' cause it turns out that maybe some of the things Twitter was doing weren't because they were a left-leaning propaganda machine.

kevin_1_01-30-2024_114512: Maybe they were, maybe they were doing it because they wanted to make money and be brand safe and have a, a world where, I don't know, Taylor Swift fans could search their favorite artist without seeing really horrific graphic depictions of them. So, Elon is navigating around that. I think to the, the point that you raised Gavin, it's clearly to me a signal that they just don't know how to handle this problem, and they're completely under-resourced and understaffed to be able to do so.

kevin_1_01-30-2024_114512: So if someone is. Spreading imagery on your platform. I, there's so many solutions that could look, , the check sums for the digital fingerprints of these images and just say any account, sharing them, mute them, shadow, ban them, do something in the meantime. But they don't apparently have the tech, the ability or the desire to do approach like that, which might be more elegant.

kevin_1_01-30-2024_114512: It would allow signal to get through [00:15:00] while blocking the noise. They just, to your point, they just shut down searches for Taylor. They can't do this with everything because are you not gonna be able to search for Biden or Trump or AI for humans once our nudes leak? Like they, they can't 

Track 1: Those aren't gonna get out. They can't get out. Kevin, I already told you those. Can't get out.

kevin_1_01-30-2024_114512: I just seeded them on BitTorrent. There's terabytes of them. Because here's the other thing. When we talk, when we talk about a problem at scale, Gavin AI does have the ability, uh. Let me, I'll take a step back. Creating imagery of anyone, whether it's your neighbor or a pop star or a political figure, that has been possible really since the early eighties that people could do with an Omega toaster or whatever.

kevin_1_01-30-2024_114512: I mean, they could do it by, by cutting a photo and then putting it on a, a xerox machine, right? That this is nothing new. The scale argument is new though, because you could wield, , an AI image generating tool and generate tens of thousands or millions of images in the blink of an eye. [00:16:00] And what is also new is obviously the, rise of social media.

kevin_1_01-30-2024_114512: It's new-ish and that it lets a handful of photos spread. And this was that sort of perfect storm of Taylor was in the news, the Super Bowl of it all. They used an AI tool, which AI pops it up even further. So this was that, that perfect storm of all these dots connecting. And that's why it took off to the point where, like you said, I.

kevin_1_01-30-2024_114512: Satya Nadella had to make, a statement about it because they were using Microsoft's designer tool, to make those images. So they literally had to scramble engineers to patch the software so that you couldn't generate celebrity faces over the weekend.

kevin_1_01-30-2024_114512: Like that's the level with which this bubbled and it's not going away.

Track 1: No, it's not going away. And I, think there's, again, this is just an important reminder of a red flag of like saying, Hey, deep fakes were a thing. We all went through the deep fake world three years ago when the thing blew up on Reddit originally. And deep fakes still exist. And when it's the most famous person in the world, it's gonna get a lot more attention.

Track 1: There was a proposed, , legislation called the [00:17:00] Preventing DeepFakes of Intimate Images Act that was proposed in May of 2023. It has not yet become law, but this sort of thing, there needs to be some sort of law around this because I think that if there aren't laws, you're gonna have a very hard time persecuting the people that do this.

Track 1: And now granted, you and I both know these can be done anonymously. The person who creates the thing is not necessarily the person who spreads the thing. All sorts of other issues. But we, again, I call on lawmakers to do, to kind of like move into this space quickly because things will happen like this and we just need to do it more.

Track 1: And I think faster.

kevin_1_01-30-2024_114512: It becomes a slippery slope though, when, as someone's freedom of expression runs right into, , a law saying actually you can't make that image or you can't post that story, et cetera. When we talk about the open source community that can roll their own solutions to make images or, , conjure up, let's say, I don't know, standup comedy sets from deceased celebrities.

kevin_1_01-30-2024_114512: That becomes harder to clamp down because you don't have control over those [00:18:00] tools. But maybe we can transition to talk about, , will Saso and Chad Coch and the human component of the dudes e AI podcast who got into some, uh, I, it was a medium, moderate boil of water that is now, I would say officially hot.

kevin_1_01-30-2024_114512: Over, uh, releasing a, standup special featuring deceased comedian George Carlin. George Carlin's daughter releasing a statement saying that they don't condone it. They were very disappointed by it. That was followed by legal action, an actual lawsuit, , claiming that even though the video, the standup special of George Carlin on YouTube was not monetized, that the Dossy podcast and brand had a lot to gain from it.

kevin_1_01-30-2024_114512: Clearly, a lot of people were talking about it. I listened to the Dossy podcast. I listened before this. I was obviously tuning in to see what they were saying about it. They mentioned that however, your feeling about them and the special is valid and right, and I agree with that as well. But they had to come out this weekend and part of their defense, Gavin is saying that.[00:19:00] 

kevin_1_01-30-2024_114512: Hey. Turns out this AI George Carlin special was not written by ai. In fact, it was written by a human. 

kevin_1_01-30-2024_114512: So we're off the hook, right? Big question mark. Dangling.

Track 1: , so first of all, this is where we're getting into this very strange gray area of using other people's likenesses to do things. And Kevin, you and I have both played around with doing this, and in the past we have tried to be very clear about the fact that this is not that thing. Like, you know,

kevin_1_01-30-2024_114512: People were really fool fooled by Mr. Yeast. When we cloned Mr. Beast in the past, we really, we got into some hot water there. Thankfully we only had tens of listeners at

Track 1: yeah, that was in our, I think our second show, our very first, second show where we cloned Mr. Beast and we made Mr. Yeast, uh, Mr. Beast, who's obsessed with bread. So the long story short here is I think we are going to see an awareness, , of the world at large about ai. 

Track 1: Now, the issue that I have that's a little weird to me about this idea that they wrote the whole special, which by the way, that's what [00:20:00] they're saying. So the, there's an article in the New York Times that came out where they talk about the idea that they wrote the whole special, and Kevin and I have not talked to Chad or to Will , and hopefully maybe we might in the future, but writing the special.

Track 1: So just so you at home know. Kevin and I do not write our interactions with the AI co-host. We create a character and then in real time, for better or for worse, we interact with them. And one thing when you watch that special was there is a consistency throughout the whole thing.

Track 1: Right. And it does sound like a one, one voice. I'm just so curious to know, like. Was the whole thing written by from scratch. And if, if that's the case, then like it's not, it's not as interesting to me as an experiment. 

Track 1: It's a, it's just such a weird thing and I feel for those guys. 'cause I think they were trying to do something interesting, but then also it's this line, like what line? Where's the line now? And like, I understand also Kelly Carlin's , being upset with this, right? Like her father who's very special to her and special to like millions of people.

Track 1: I'm a giant George Carlin fan. There are people out there who were very offended that this happened. And I think it's [00:21:00] just such a weird world when we gonna get into this space where, people who've passed away are gonna come back. And in general, I think the rule is gonna be, well you better either be part of that person's estate or have the permission of them to do it going forward.

kevin_1_01-30-2024_114512: Yeah we don't have, , special access behind this particular curtain, but if I was a betting person, and let's say I got a couple chips here. I'd love to know your thoughts on this, Gavin. I would think that, they, as fans of George and fans of the technology, probably did use AI in some capacity to generate Carlin esque observations on modern day issues and things.

kevin_1_01-30-2024_114512: Them both being incredible comedians and creators and performers probably then went in there and massage them and said, oh, wow. This now really feels and looks like a thing. I don't know if they, in the back of their minds at all or, or anywhere in their hearts were like, this is our ticket to controversy or to mass appeal or anything.

kevin_1_01-30-2024_114512: I don't think that's the case. I don't know, but I would give them the benefit of the [00:22:00] doubt being on the other side of it. Sometimes you get so excited by the tech, by the creative pursuit, by the unlocks that you make a thing and go, oh wow, this is it. And I could see them massaging it and releasing it this is a like a tribute.

kevin_1_01-30-2024_114512: This is an amazing use of the technology. And then coming to grips at the end of that exciting pursuit with the ramifications of this thing that you unleashed upon the world. I, again, no special access or knowledge, but I could almost see that being the case here. Do what do you think their intentions were?

Track 1: I honestly, I think that's probably right. Again, I don't think they created this as an example of something they were gonna do to set the world on fire to get them pissed. 'cause I think ultimately this is a bad thing for them, the way it's kind of played out looks wise.

Track 1: But what they're doing in a way is like kind of. Seeing the world of the future, right? The Elvis estate has been licensed to death, ? I could very much see an Elvis new Elvis song come out. I mean, we just had that scenario with the Beatles and John Lennon, and in that [00:23:00] instance, the difference obviously is you've got Paul McCartney and the, and you know, the weight of the Beatles' rights, who are allowing it to happen.

Track 1: So I think in part, this isn't just an AI conversation, it's also a legal conversation around like what you're able to do and what you're not able to do with someone's identity. And AI has just made it way easier than it ever was before.

kevin_1_01-30-2024_114512: Yeah, well it's gonna get easier for Google to clone us all Gavin, because they got a new Bard update. We love to talk about Bard. For those who don't know, Bard is Google's AI software. We often say it is an Oso Rand in the world of open ai. It's good. Just doesn't seem to be as good.

kevin_1_01-30-2024_114512: Others are saying it's good enough and it's the price of free, which is amazing.

Track 1: I'll, there is an update. Did you hear about this? And I haven't tried this yet, but I did have seen people tweet about this, that supposedly Google Bard has been updated with a new version and it is performing almost as well as GPT 4.5 in the pro version, not the ultra version. So that's kind of interesting, but that

kevin_1_01-30-2024_114512: That's great. [00:24:00] That's great. We, I'll speak for us. Gavin want Bard to do well. We want as many ais out there that are capable and competent, and especially at the price point of free. I love that. But Google is updating, , Bard and it revealed that it's going to read all of your private messages by default. It is going to crawl through and grab all of the things you've ever, , sent, grab the private content of your messages and then quote to understand the context of your conversations, your tone, and your interests. It will analyze the sentiment of your message to tailor its responses to your mood and vibe.

kevin_1_01-30-2024_114512: So it's gonna go through your history with different contacts and actually understand the dynamics that you have in that relationship. So that way the sup, bro, that I might send Gavin doesn't apply to my boss or to the president who I am emailing, or my mom. Yeah. Hi, Brav up bra. Check out this name bra.

kevin_1_01-30-2024_114512: So. Here's the thing, do you [00:25:00] trust Google to do this? Gavin? I saw a lot of people saying, ah, I'll do this when Apple is for it, because they're the security company. And with Google, I'm the product. Others said, no way, not gonna happen. And others have said, oh, please bring on this digital future.

kevin_1_01-30-2024_114512: I want it to understand how I want to communicate. So where do you stand? What do you think

Track 1: This is happening for sure, but then also, yes, you're right. The question will become is who do we trust to best guard our data and our privacy? Because I think the future of the world is letting more of your information out, which probably means. your data may leak eventually, which also probably means you may become, I don't know, you have problems with what you say to other people, then maybe you start thinking about what you type. We are entering a world where all of your data is going to be used to help make your tools better, and the AI will make your experience better.

Track 1: And if you don't do that, I think you're gonna have a lesser product. I think I personally trust Apple more than Google, mostly because they've been so protective around ads and all the sort of things that, that Apple has really tried to eliminate [00:26:00] from the browser, from all the other parts of your iPhone. So yes, I would probably trust Apple more.

Track 1: Either way, I think we're gonna be entering into a future where everybody's giving up a lot more of this. I don't think we're gonna have a world where you're able to have as much privacy as you would in the past. People will probably be mad about that, but it is what it is.

kevin_1_01-30-2024_114512: I think so. And to that point, Gav your messages are going to be scraped from Google. They exist in their servers, so it's weird to say they're gonna get sent to the cloud. But even if you have an Android device and you were messaging on your device to somebody else, and those messages were encrypted, they're still going to be scraped and sent into the cloud, albeit anonymized, but still . According to the Forbes article, the data will be stored for 18 months and will persist for a few days. Even if you disable the ai, albeit manual deletion is available, so by default your stuff's gonna get yanked out and sent.

kevin_1_01-30-2024_114512: And even though it is anonymized, it wouldn't probably be too hard to unpack the mystery and solve the puzzle of what you were saying to your mistress or your mistress's [00:27:00] mistress or your, your mis What's the pearl of Misre?

Track 1: Your rare fish dealer

kevin_1_01-30-2024_114512: You're rare fish dealing. Um, 

Track 1: I don't want that out. I don't want any of that

kevin_1_01-30-2024_114512: uh, hey, shout out to our dear friend Jerry Duggan, an amazing writer, amazing creative.

kevin_1_01-30-2024_114512: Yeah. He had a, a graphic novel, which I loved. , hashtag not an ad, just a dear friend. , the book is called Analog, and it's about this near future, , Gavin, where everybody is doxed, 

kevin_1_01-30-2024_114512: I don't wanna spoil how it all happens, but just know that it's a future where everybody's laundry is airing out on the line. And so we rely on data couriers or message couriers that are very analog. To deliver messages in secret because you can't trust any digital communication whatsoever. And, , bit of a departure, but a fantastic read.

kevin_1_01-30-2024_114512: And that's every day when these stories come out, Gav about a data breach here or encryption getting cracked there, it becomes even more real to me. So very prescient.

Track 1: Absolutely. Well, let's move on to the other story that involves another one of [00:28:00] our big, , tech companies. Apple. There are supposedly new updates coming to Siri. Kevin, can you believe it? There are AI updates and they're going to make it better. This is something that me, my entire family, has been wishing for forever.

Track 1: I, by the way, oh, the funniest story. I have to tell this really quickly as a side. My daughter, for the first time, uh, my high school age daughter used, uh, had a problem in her physics class and used chat. GPT. The app took a picture of the problem and it explained it to her better than her teacher could.

Track 1: And this was like a real

kevin_1_01-30-2024_114512: it actually worked.

Track 1: Yeah, it worked and it was a picture of a pretty complicated physics like situation. I say physics situation 'cause like I am not a math person. Whatever you call it, a

Track 1: series of 

kevin_1_01-30-2024_114512: It was a flat teeter totter with an apple falling and it was like, which way is line gonna move? I dunno.

Track 1: Anyway, the amazing thing about this is it really worked for her and what I'm excited about Apple getting this into Siri is just how many more people will suddenly have [00:29:00] access, especially to voice chat.

Track 1: Because you and I have said for months now in this podcast, Amazon and Siri's voice chat is like chatting with 2012, right? It is. It is like they have not done much to update it. When you ask it for something, it gives you really often bad searches on the internet. You can do simple things like you can say, set a timer or do this, but when you have chatt to your pie with voice ability, it's just so much better and I just can't wait to see what they're gonna, what they're gonna turn out with this thing.

kevin_1_01-30-2024_114512: , the leak was that they saw some open AI queries happening. Gavin, in the latest iOS software where if you asked Siri something, anything, it would, they have their own language model that they've been training, which we, we knew and we suspected, and so it would kind of get a result with that, but also would query open ai, which is really interesting, right?

kevin_1_01-30-2024_114512: To see what the chat 

Track 1: that Microsoft is the biggest investment, right? Microsoft has the biggest investment in, and so it's really like using a competitor's product in a big

kevin_1_01-30-2024_114512: A hundred percent. But you know, look, apple has a, a history of [00:30:00] not working with and working with Microsoft, so that would make a lot of sense. They are, I believe, the best in class ai. So if you were gonna sanity check your model against something else, it would make sense that it's that. But we've been screaming it for ages.

kevin_1_01-30-2024_114512: This is long overdue. The assistance have got to get better. All of the rumors are that iOS 18 is going to be a massive, massive update for Apple integrating ai. And, and as we've just mentioned in the Google, , story, this is on device. Now these queries are going out to chat GPT, which is interesting.

kevin_1_01-30-2024_114512: That is off device, but all of the other rumors are that everything else is going to happen on your phone. So if it's crawling your emails or looking through your messages or checking out your socials or whatever that's happening locally on the device, I trust that a little bit more and I'm willing to wait for that, but not much longer because I'm so sick and tired of Siri coming back with, I can't really help you with that.

kevin_1_01-30-2024_114512: Or, here's what I found on the web. Just tell me

Track 1: the one thing that Apple's great at is making things really [00:31:00] mainstream. Right? And it could be that we're at this inflection point where it won't even feel like this big announcement, like that Apple is ai. It'll just be, that stuff will work better now. Like it will work in a way that you were like, oh my God, it finally works like this Chachi PT does.

Track 1: That's really exciting. Now we have one other story that I'm kind of shocked. This is true, and I never expected it because there are other companies that this man has launched that did not go anywhere but. Neuralink, which is, if you're not familiar, Elon Musk's part of a startup to essentially make the human brain into a computer adaptable thing that, that

kevin_1_01-30-2024_114512: A-B-C-I-A brain computer interface

Track 1: yes. So Neuralink has established its first human user and things are going well so far. And so Kevin, I think the basic story here is that this is real, this is happening. But I think the larger story that we should maybe jump into here is what does that mean for [00:32:00] AI and people, right?

Track 1: Because this is the, there is , a term that you may or may not know if you're following ai. You know, it's called the singularity. And the singularity is a idea that Ray Kurzweil launched, , a while ago, and that this is the date in which humans and machines merge.

Track 1: And we become a new species and Kevin, this feels like a step towards that in a weird way. And I don't know , what's your take on this whole

kevin_1_01-30-2024_114512: Sign me up. That's my take. My take is where's the list? Where's the queue? I'll wait in line. I'll probably try to bribe somebody with a new Vision Pro so I can cut the line. Gavin, sign me up. Put the chips in my brain. I'm tired of typing. My fingers hurt. I am tired. I am old. Ray Kurzweil predicted that by 2029, AI will surpass human intelligence and master the Turing test.

kevin_1_01-30-2024_114512: I think we're pretty much there, 

Track 1: we're close. We're close. We're not there yet. We're, we're close.

kevin_1_01-30-2024_114512: The Turing test? Yeah, but.

Track 1: test.

kevin_1_01-30-2024_114512: So I think we're there. I think he crushed that. But [00:33:00] we are, we are not. You're right. We're not at like super intelligence level yet, his second prediction was that by 2045, humans will merge with the AI that they've created.

kevin_1_01-30-2024_114512: And if this is to be believed, she might be 10 years too late on that prediction. So the Neuralink is a chip. They implant in your skull with a bunch of wires that go directly into your wetwear, your noggin, your brain to capture electrical impulses. And then using machine learning, using ai, using stuff to decode all those signals.

kevin_1_01-30-2024_114512: You can make a mouse cursor move or communicate telepathically, or they could build devices that bypass, I don't know, let's say a spinal injury to make legs move again, or arms, you know, that's, it's, it's really, really potentially impactful stuff. I want it so that I don't have to flick my thumb on TikTok anymore.

kevin_1_01-30-2024_114512: Gavin.

Track 1: Kevin, I have to say the, the most amazing thing is if this can help people walk who can't move their legs, that's incredible. Right?

kevin_1_01-30-2024_114512: Or restore vision in someone who was even born without vision. Amazing

Track 1: It's amazing. The thing I also want you to remember [00:34:00] is, do you remember when you owned a Tesla, Kevin, you remember when you owned a Tesla, the, and how excited you were about the self parking and how you showed me, you took me to a place and you were so excited about the self parking.

Track 1: Do you remember how good that self parking was?

kevin_1_01-30-2024_114512: I don't think it was with your demo, but I do remember the self-parking, , shattering a driver's side mirror as it tried to move out of a parking space once.

kevin_1_01-30-2024_114512: 'cause there's no sensor on the mirror. Why would it take that into, into account? That was a beta test. That was a beta test. Gavin? Yes, there's gonna be some , human eggs that are broken on the way to this Neuralink omelet. Yeah, but that's delicious. So it up, that's Soylent Green.

Track 1: I, I, I'm all for this too by the, by the way. And I think you and I are both on the same page. Like I think there is a level of, I mean people are gonna think this is insane, but like there is a world where the singularity is the way we survive as a species, right? Like that we become in some way part of this thing.

Track 1: The thing that is so hard, and this goes back to the Tesla thing, and we've talked about this on this podcast too, is, which is driverless cars have been [00:35:00] a thing that seems like it was going to happen for 20 years. And the tricky thing is if you involve human lives in your conversation, it takes so much longer, right?

Track 1: Because you have a human being. And the minute a human dies in a driverless , car crash, that becomes the story. Even if there's way less driverless car crashes than there are, than real car crashes. So this is very cool. It's the first person to ever have one of these. I'm excited about it and I see a future where this is going to do hugely amazing things.

Track 1: It also is slightly worrisome to me because I don't. Uh, this is the way the future works now, right? Like, it's like we're gonna have some things that are exciting and at the same time they're gonna be scary as hell.

. , very fascinating stuff. It is related to AI and ml and it is gonna be a large part of our future, whether it's Elon's company or a million other companies that are spawned in the wake. But it's going to be a big deal. , it did perk me up, Gavin, when I saw that.

kevin_1_01-30-2024_114512: It made me feel some sort of way, but it didn't make me say the thing that our next segment makes us say Gavin. And that's,

Track 1: We're doing it again. We're [00:36:00] doing it again. Everybody. We're

kevin_1_01-30-2024_114512: Hey,

kevin_1_01-30-2024_114512: I see what you did there.

Track 1: there. That's right. It's time for ai. See what you did there? 

Track 1: This is where we do some quick shout outs of cool things we saw on the internet regarding ai. Kevin, do you wanna go first?

kevin_1_01-30-2024_114512: I do there was one that was 3D motion from text. We're talking text to animation. Gavin, this is something that has been promised for a while. We've seen some earlier approaches. Yeah, but this demo just looks amazing and I can't wait to get my hands on the actual code, which supposedly is going to be released.

kevin_1_01-30-2024_114512: You can, using basic words like. Walking in a circle clockwise or waving the right hand or jumping.

kevin_1_01-30-2024_114512: You can give basic descriptors of what you would want a humanoid avatar to do, and you can even combine those things into multiple actions like, , wave your arms above your head while crouching, and it will intuitively interpolate between those actions and give you 3D human [00:37:00] motion from text. And you have even have timeline control, Gavin.

kevin_1_01-30-2024_114512: So if you want. Applause to last for five seconds. You just drag it on the timeline and say, Hey, here's five seconds of applause. And then you can have the avatar sit while clapping, whatever you want. This gets me so excited for the future of animation, whether that's cartoons , or live interactive stuff For game design, instead of having to cover your friend and ping pong balls and track 'em for an hour, you could just prompt the animation to exist.

kevin_1_01-30-2024_114512: So I saw the video, it made me say, Hey, I see what you did there.

Track 1: what you did there? That's so

Track 1: nice. Mine is Mid Journey launch. , the version six part of Nige Nige is their anime specific model.

Track 1: It's NIJI. , you can do some incredible stuff. I saw some amazing people making, , anime versions of these Super Mario Brothers characters and all the problems that are inherent in Midjourney six, which means there are a lot of IP you can play with, but when you combine this with runway's video motion thing, there's just some really incredible stuff you can do.

Track 1: [00:38:00] Mid journey's imaging model. I'm feel pretty comfortable now saying that it is the best out there. Stable diffusion is still really good. There are people making super extreme versions of this, but. Midjourney six really is what I feel like cutting edge right now. And Nige is, if you're an anime fan, super fun to play with.

Track 1: Go try it out. That's what I, yeah. How do we, how do we go on

kevin_1_01-30-2024_114512: However you

Track 1: that's like Midjourney. Uh, I see what you did there.

kevin_1_01-30-2024_114512: Oh no. Oh no. Oh, the wheels fell off. Call roadside assistance.

Track 1: Okay. Your turn. Your turn.

kevin_1_01-30-2024_114512: Lastly, this is not really production ready yet, but I saw a cool tweet. I wanna shout them out. , an ex post, if you will, by Martin Nealon. Apologies, Martin, if I'm, , brutalizing your username.

kevin_1_01-30-2024_114512: But they have a workflow that uses Luma ai, which lets you give a, a text prompt and give you a rough 3D model of something and putting that into another tool, um, which is. Uh, but they use Marmoset, [00:39:00] which lets you light it and set the camera, and then that goes to free pick ai, 

kevin_1_01-30-2024_114512: and then when you're done, he puts it to magnifi ai to up res it. What does all of that mean? It means if you're looking at the video on your screen, you can see somebody very quickly typing a single line of text, getting a cool looking bus or like a, a, like a food truck, if you will. And then lighting it and asking AI to give it incredible detail.

kevin_1_01-30-2024_114512: And what this becomes is, again, not taking humans out of the loop, but as a creative tool, a really powerful way to optimize a pipeline and go from rough idea, just a line of text to a beautiful looking 3D model in next to no time, that in the hands of a capable creative is going to unlock so much potential.

Track 1: And you know what I think is really interesting about that, Kevin? There's a phrase that goes along with it.

kevin_1_01-30-2024_114512: What Gavin, what do you think is so interesting about that?

Track 1: Hmm. I think it has something to do with what my eyes do.

kevin_1_01-30-2024_114512: What your eyes

Track 1: I see what you did

kevin_1_01-30-2024_114512: Oh no, [00:40:00] that was,

Track 1: That was pretty

kevin_1_01-30-2024_114512: That was the verbal equivalent of pointing at my chest. And then when I looked down, you flicked my nose. That was what a weird schoolyard bully that was Gavin. ,

kevin_1_01-30-2024_114512: Should we talk about the things that we played with AI this week?

Track 1: Yeah. What came pretty quick with this, I think, Kev, I'll start. Um, I saw a really cool article on the Verge about the ARC browser and specifically about the ARC AI app. It was a alternative web browser that launched a couple years ago, but what they've launched is an app for the iPhone that is called ARC Search.

Track 1: It's a combination of AI search and like a regular search engine. But when you type in on ARC search and you say, browse with me, it actually creates a, almost like a weird website with all this information in a very readable format.

Track 1: So I asked it, can you tell me what the AI for Humans podcast is about? And then I tap on the feature that says Browse for me. And what it does is it goes through, you can kind of see it happening right

Track 1: now. It goes through and [00:41:00] reads all these web

kevin_1_01-30-2024_114512: Oh, cool.

Track 1: , and then it creates an overview, and what it does is it has the hosts, it has the schedule, it has the content, but then it has top search results. It has you and I and a little bit about us. It tells us the latest episodes. Format and it even talks about like our AI cohost, like all this stuff, but it puts it in this really interesting like scrollable format so that it becomes like this kind of like almost like a webpage of itself.

Track 1: And that's one of the big things they talk about is like they basically, every search becomes a webpage so you can go back and access it and it has this kind

kevin_1_01-30-2024_114512: Oh, that's 

Track 1: interesting way to get it. Anyway, it's just another way of using AI to ex to experience stuff on the internet. 

kevin_1_01-30-2024_114512: It does seem like what it's doing is it's spinning up an instant wiki, if you will, browsing the web, browsing trusted sources, hopefully trusted sources, to give you that page.

kevin_1_01-30-2024_114512: I like that it sticks around as a page, though. That makes sense. So they're not having to do unique queries each and every time someone asks for something, they're just gonna start building a database of these AI generated Wiki articles, [00:42:00] that you could browse even quicker. That's pretty smart.

kevin_1_01-30-2024_114512: It's free and it's iOS, or is it also Android? Is it a website? Do we know?

Track 1: it's free. And I know it's iOS, I'm not sure if it's Android, it's also on the website. But it's definitely worth trying 'cause I think you're gonna see a lot of these companies that are saying there's AI in everything now. Like that's just the big thing. It feels like a slightly new take on the browser, which I really like and I, so I think it's worth checking out again.

Track 1: It's called, if you look in the App store, one thing that's funny about it, it is called Arc Search, A-R-C-S-E-A-R-C-H. It doesn't come up right away at the top of the search. You actually have to go through like 20 different apps before you get to it. I don't know why that is. They didn't do their app store SEO very well, but it's very cool.

kevin_1_01-30-2024_114512: Real quick hit for me. I just sent you more megabytes of Guy fii eating hot dogs than you ever wanted Gavin, but I, I ran video crafter two through its paces runs very fast. If you've got an Nvidia GPU, if you're running max silicon, it will run, but it is slow. But hey, [00:43:00] it's open source video generation and editing if you wanna craft video content.

kevin_1_01-30-2024_114512: Now, we have always said that the open source community is going to lag behind the best in shows, right? And in this case we're talking about runway or PIKA Labs. We're talking about expensive pieces of software where you have to license to get really, really good video outta them. This is something that you can run for free on your desktop or laptop, and the results are, you know, one of those things where, again, you're getting what you're paying for here, but it's getting better.

kevin_1_01-30-2024_114512: Gavin, wouldn't you say.

Track 1: It's getting better. It's funny because it's much, it's much better than like say the Will Smith spaghetti stuff, right? Which we always talk about as like kind of the original like AI video. It's, this is still not great, but obviously it's free and you're trying stuff. Also, people have to remember, sometimes you see AI video on the internet and a lot of that is these, it's the runway text video, which is like, you have a beautiful image to start with and then you're manipulating it.

Track 1: These are clearly [00:44:00] just straight up videos being created from text prompts, right? So it is trying to interpret what it is. It is way better than the Will Smith spaghetti. It is not perfect. I will say I really did appreciate the one, uh, video where there is like a mini hotdog that jumps into

kevin_1_01-30-2024_114512: yes. That's the one that gets me every time. That's the one that made me laugh so hard. I was like, okay, this is a bit worth doing because he's, he's staring at this giant hotdog on the table and then just a tic-tac sized hotdog pops right up into his mouth.

Track 1: It's pretty awesome. I think that's great. But this, so this is, you install with Pinocchio. Use Pinocchio to

kevin_1_01-30-2024_114512: I use Pinocchio on this one.

kevin_1_01-30-2024_114512: We shout 'em out all the time. Hashtag not an ad. I wish it were, , but I think it's kind of a lone developer. 

Track 1: doesn't got money, 

kevin_1_01-30-2024_114512: Yeah, I don't,

Track 1: stuff for fun.

kevin_1_01-30-2024_114512: I would love to support Cocktail Peanut and I think we do by shouting out pinocchio.computer. That's P-I-N-I-K-I o.computer. 

kevin_1_01-30-2024_114512: It makes a lot of AI applications. One click easy installs. My friends that are coders that are very competent at installing all this stuff are now switching to Pinocchio for the most popular stuff. 'cause it's just so easy [00:45:00] to manage everything. So Video Crafter two is out. You can make video on your local machine and yes, it's a little wonky, but just like Gavin said, it's not only creating this still image, but then it's figuring out how to move that image and keep it coherent based off of what you asked for.

kevin_1_01-30-2024_114512: So this stuff is going to get better. But one thing that's gonna get amazing right now, Gavin, is this podcast because we are about to bring on an actual entertainer.

Track 1: Yes. I'm so excited about this. Paul Sheer, who was a very well-known, comedian was on Human Giant, was , I think on Attack the show a couple times. Right. Too back

kevin_1_01-30-2024_114512: absolutely. Yeah. The League Law and Order, N-T-S-D-S-U-V-I think is the full title of that. He is, the Man has made a million things, been in a thousand things. He is got a new book coming out. He even has AI trying to undercut that book, Gavin, which is something we have to 

Track 1: so excited. I'm 

Track 1: so excited to hear about talking about that because like, it's one of the funniest stories. But anyway, here he is, , comedian, author, and all those fun things. Paul Shearer.

[00:46:00] 

kevin_1_01-30-2024_114512: Paul, thank you so much for joining AI for Humans. It's always a delight to see you, , especially to get to interact with you, and we love to invite amazing people on and immediately deflate them by asking the world's worst question, which is Gavin's favorite question.

kevin_1_01-30-2024_114512: So, Gavin please.

Gavin: Every time this question gets dragged through the mud, it is a good question. 'cause it gives us insight into what the person thinks. Okay, Paul, from one to a hundred, gimme a percentage chance. This is called your P doom number, which means what percentage chance do you think that AI is going to kill all of us humans?

Paul: Okay. Well I know the doomsday clock is like 30 seconds to midnight, right? Or maybe 30

kevin_1_01-30-2024_114512: to Mars it's, yeah.

Paul: And by the way, I mean, there you go. Mean I, Jared, Leto doesn't get recognized enough for how good that band is.

Gavin: of

Gavin: about his acting. We don't talk about the band. I am going to boldly say.

Gavin: , twenty-five

Gavin: What and what is the reasoning? Yeah, let's sort the reasoning

Paul: I believe that [00:47:00] there's a symbiotic relationship between AI and people, right? You need people for AI to function at some point. I understand like in feature films and, and tv, we talk about this idea that the robots wanna take over the world, but why?

Paul: Right. There's no real good reason to why. And I feel like this symbiotic relationship that we have where we kind of are working alongside of them, like there's driverless cars, what are they for? If there aren't humans, you know, like we need, we need a little balance right there. There needs to, it's a seesaw effect.

Paul: Um, so I believe that. Assuring our destruction assures their

Gavin: Oh, that's very good logic. Yeah, I

kevin_1_01-30-2024_114512: now, now Paul, as a, a matrix, Stan, , I just have to represent the community whose faces you grabbed by the ears and spat in when you said the machines would have, , no use for us. What about, uh, human batteries? What about a bunch of us and a [00:48:00] little cocoon as little cells,

Paul: You know, like the human battery idea to me. It seems like, do we have enough juice? I mean, look at us. You, you read these articles? We're overweight. We are.

Gavin: three P.M., I'm a disaster. At 3:00 PM I'm going to

kevin_1_01-30-2024_114512: all too tired.

Paul: we're, we're basically all iPhone batteries on 15%. I, I don't believe you know that you're gonna get that much out

kevin_1_01-30-2024_114512: That just made me think of my Portuguese grandma pinching me at Thanksgiving. You need more juice. You need to eat more. You don't have enough juice. Okay, grandma, you're right. I'm not a good battery. I get it. Okay.

Paul: We always are looking for villains on some level, right? And I understand that there is so much excitement around this idea that what can we do with ai, but. And I know that it's gonna grow and it's gonna change, but at the same time too, all these companies that are going to ai, uh, or, you know, doing cutting back or cutting the [00:49:00] workforce, it's like, well, if you cut back all the workforce, then you cut back all the paychecks, then who are you making a product for?

Paul: Because no one can buy it. Right there, there is, again, it's like this idea that. We are playing a dangerous game. But the truth is, if no one's working and no one has any money, you can't sell goods and services to them. So it does, like, part of our economy, part of like capitalism in general is just like, it's gotta, we need it, we need to feed the machine.

Paul: And, and, and I don't think that batteries is as effective as, you know, um, kind

Gavin: Wallets. Yeah, I was gonna say wallets. You need people to buy stuff, right? Yeah, exactly. I know that you're, in the creative field and there's a lot of negativity in the world of the creative field, a around AI in some ways, but like, are you using AI in your everyday life?

Gavin: Any sort of like tools? Are you doing anything with it?

Paul: Well, I think it's shocking, right? 'cause people who are very anti-AI will say like, well, I don't use ai. It's like, well, have you ever used Waze or Apple Maps?

Gavin: Guess what? That's ai. Yeah, exactly.

Paul: You know, you know, and I, I would imagine, and you guys can correct [00:50:00] me if I'm wrong, but anytime Google continues to fill in what you're writing, that's predictive ai, right?

Paul: That's predictive

kevin_1_01-30-2024_114512: The predictive text that you use to yell about artificial intelligence on social media, that thing that you tapped that made

Gavin: That's ai.

kevin_1_01-30-2024_114512: outraged. That was ai. Yeah.

Paul: Yeah. It's so ingrained in our life. I think that, you know, where I look at it is. I think AI is a tool, and I think it's a tool to make things better, and I think it will make things better.

Paul: I mean, when I first came to la

Gavin: I know what you're gonna

Paul: I came from New York. Yeah. I had a giant-ass map

Gavin: What was the name of that? Remember that was like a big book. The Thomas Guide. The Thomas Guide. Yes, exactly.

Paul: God was like a tome that was like a thousand pages. And I'm trying to figure out how to get from here to there, but I'm doing it in my own way.

Paul: Like I, there's no way to tell me this is a better route or this, you know, or even MapQuest, I'm printing out things and this is like back in [00:51:00] 2005, you know, I'm, I'm trying to figure out how to get around and, you know, I, I, now, I tour a bunch. I go around the country. I've been around the world and. To be able to explore and take away that one element of it, because I'm still having an amazing time in these cities.

Paul: I'm actually spending more time at places I wanna spend time at because I'm not constantly lost or, or trying to not look like a tourist. I mean, that's really. The best benefit of ai. I think that, you know, as a Star Trek fan, I always love the universal that's a great. Brilliant idea. And I, and, and sometimes I'll go into a wormhole and think about wharf not speaking English, and he's speaking full-on Klingon, but everyone's got their universal translator, so they're not, they don't see any difference.

Paul: And I'm like, I that.

kevin_1_01-30-2024_114512: , so outside of ways telling you to like, take a shortcut through a laundromat or a a, a promenade or whatever to

Paul: and by the way, and, and I follow it no matter what, if it tells me to drive through a lake, I'm gonna

Gavin: Yeah. Why not,

Paul: [00:52:00] Um, no, I mean, yeah, and I've used, I mean, look, I've played around with chat GPT. I feel like I don't understand it as well as I can. Uh, and Dolly and there's a lot of like chat bots that I've used and experimented with. I've played around with. You know, uh, things on my own show that I do with, uh, Hubel, like we, we have them write jokes and, and things like that. I am cautious. Right, because I don't think it should overtake anything, but I do think it should be a helping hand. Somebody said something the other day that I thought was really good.

Paul: It was like, you know, musicians really were against the synthesizer out as well. And I think that you look at a, a business like that and you go, oh, well yeah. You see how that kind of improved? And we went way into it. Now we kind of pulled back out of it and it's like, it's like finding a balance, you know?

Paul: And I think that you'll always want that balance because whatever you lean into, as long as there are people, they'll reject and then someone's gotta figure out how to move to the next thing. And then I think that's always. The cycle we're in. I mean, whoever we love, we [00:53:00] eventually hate whoever we hate. We come around and we love 'em again.

Paul: You know, it's, we are a cyclical people. 

Gavin: Yeah, and it's interesting when you think about too, about how we're so. In so many different buckets right now, and we're so separated from each other. There is a world where AI could make us more so that way. Right? Or we talk a little bit about, AI girlfriends are a big thing and, and weirdly there's a lot of people that get a lot of, uh, happiness out of having a companion that will talk to 'em 

Gavin: all the time. But maybe there's a world where it brings us closer in some form or another, and it allows us to spend more time with our family and do things like that. I think the big question mark that, you know, getting to the stuff you're talking about here is.

Gavin: How do we continually keep humans in the, in the loop as we go along and make sure that, you know, you talk about like the big companies involved right now are Microsoft, apple, Google, Facebook, which didn't do great for us in the social media world, right? Like what, what do you think about the idea of like trying to, I mean, my thing here is like, how do you not villainize it enough so that you allow people to kind of like see the positives but also like kinda watch out [00:54:00] for it as well?

Gavin: Like what's the balance look like?

Paul: I really am surprising myself with my own takes on today's show, but I'll tell you this much that you know. When we look at social media, what are we kind of yelling about? We're yelling about how they, these companies didn't stop us from hearing people that we don't like. Right? There is that kind of an element too, like it does make us closer knit.

Paul: It does give a lot of voices that we probably wouldn't interact with. A louder, a megaphone. And look, and I understand the bot farms and I understand all that too. And I, and granted that's a whole other thing, but I also think that the base of AI on some level is connecting you to people. And we don't like all the people.

Paul: Or when we connect to those people, it actually goes, oh, well, that, that's not what I expected of them. Right. So it's, it's, it's a benefit and a deficit. Like, you know, it's like negativity in social media is not because of. Bots. It's because of people and [00:55:00] Yeah. And, and yes. And there are things that can feed into that.

Paul: And there are ways that people can, I understand all that sort of stuff too, but I do believe at the root of that, it's um, it's people, right? It's like, who made these Taylor Swift AI things? That's a person using AI to do this thing. That's awful. That

kevin_1_01-30-2024_114512: and.

kevin_1_01-30-2024_114512: I again, I've apologized 10,000 times. I'm so, so sorry. 

Paul: Can I, uh, can I ask a question about this and then maybe, you know, it better on those AI pictures is the person who created it, its name in the bottom left-hand corner, or I, I, like, I, I thought I, I didn't know if that was a thing. I, I've

Gavin: They signed it.

Paul: I thought they signed it. I haven't

Gavin: God.

Paul: like it was like, I'm so proud of like, like this is my Mona, Lisa.

Paul: I've signed it. I could be completely wrong on that. I have not

Gavin: what might happen

kevin_1_01-30-2024_114512: I.

kevin_1_01-30-2024_114512: did, there was a QR code that led to a GoFundMe and I

Gavin: no, we're not talking about that. It doesn't give any money. What does happen sometimes with these, with these AI art image software, is that you will find that it grabs little things from different pictures and it might have just [00:56:00] put like a signature that looked like a, whatever, one of the paintings it took to

kevin_1_01-30-2024_114512: it said shutter stock right across her forehead,

Gavin: Well, that

Gavin: happened, right? That happened.

kevin_1_01-30-2024_114512: happen. It does produce 

Gavin: did happen. 

kevin_1_01-30-2024_114512: times.

Paul: Well, you know, I was, I was talking about this thing that the other day too. It's like, it's really interesting, the ai, you know, there's so, there's so much, right. I think that. We are experimenting right now. Everyone's experimenting with what it will be, and, and we, it's new and it's different and um, and I think we're in a time of like reckless, 

kevin_1_01-30-2024_114512: Reckless, experimentation. You're right. Yeah. Everybody's slamming against the box trying to figure out how they can get out of it and what that even means.

Gavin: Elon Musk just put a chip into a human brain today,

Paul: I saw

Gavin: So we're in that space right now.

Paul: Right. And it's like, and I wonder was the, I have so many questions about that. But yeah, I saw that today. I was like, wow, okay. But like, you know. Tell me too, because this is A,, you know, and I know people who listen to your show know, so I don't wanna make you just give me a, a private lecture, but like, yes, we're [00:57:00] talking about ai, uh, girlfriends, we're talking about art, we're talking about, um, tools, right?

Paul: Productivity tools. We're talking about, you know, I'm, I'm, you know, I think even, I don't know if you classify this as ai, but like my friend had to recently go to driver's ed, and when he was in driver's ed, he said that he was in a room. And there was no one there but videos. But there was a voice that kind of came on, like this very

Gavin: Wow.

Paul: that took attendance.

Paul: And what he kind of realized was like, oh, this is one guy in a room that's running 15 different classes simultaneously, and there are cameras there and they're just setting it up. And like that on some level is an automation. Right. Uh, and then we're talking about like that's, I mean, that is the assembly line, right?

Paul: On some level too. Right? In the end. You know, highs and lows. Highs and lows. B baby, what are, what are the programs that excite you the

Gavin: Cap, you wanna go

kevin_1_01-30-2024_114512: I love the silly media stuff. I love taking a friend's face and slapping it on a meme gif just as much as the next person. So, and we use it to create characters and give them voices, and we are [00:58:00] firmly in that reckless experimentation phase as well.

kevin_1_01-30-2024_114512: So that, that excites us. The stuff that I can't figure out how to run. Is the thing that gets me excited. There is someone right now in a lab coat, , somewhere that is trying to cure cancer or discovering new material sciences or democratizing access to legal representation for underprivileged populations.

kevin_1_01-30-2024_114512: Like there are real advancements being made at the same time that I'm like. Can I make Sam Jackson sing an Elvis song? Okay. Yeah. I want to train a model on that, but it's the, the, it is really disrupting so many different spaces. So my interests are all aligned in all of those weird

Paul: I feel like there's also, for me as somebody who I feel like is computer literate, there is a, like when you saw talk about, oh, training Sam Jackson Sing Elvis. I'm like, oh, I wanna know how to do that. I don't know how to do that. I think that, you know, we are right now living in. The sensational uses of AI in a public space, right? When people hear what it is, they're seeing this. And I think the Taylor Swift thing is a [00:59:00] beautiful example of, okay, this is, we need more stuff like that because it will start to put guardrails on things, you know?

Paul: And, um, and we need to have a public facing thing. And what, and, and while awful. Uh, but what better way to. Bring attention. Yeah. Highlight it, right? It's like, 'cause it's, this stuff is gonna go on and, you know, and, and people, people will get tricked and fooled and I think that that's part of the problem about it.

Paul: But to your point, Kevin, like I, I love that you know, somebody whose job it is amount of go through tomes of books, you know, and that's from the legal point of view, from a medical point of view. They have the ability now. To, to do that in such a quick amount of time, see things that they couldn't see process, things that they couldn't process.

Paul: And that's something that I think that in the next two or three years, we're gonna start to see the benefits of as well. And that's something that like, that doesn't take somebody outta the [01:00:00] equation. It's actually, you need the right people to be inputting what you're looking for. Right. It actually takes out some of the, the dead work of that, you know?

Paul: And I think that that's important

Gavin: creates new jobs too, hopefully as well, right? There will be new things that come outta that. New industries that could conceivably come out

Paul: Well, let me tell you like this is a one way that I used ai, uh, effectively for myself. I am slightly dyslexic. , I. Have a hard time writing. I love writing, but I am terrible at grammar. I see things, I understand things differently like that. I can obviously write a sentence, I can do all that sort of stuff.

Paul: I'm not paralyzed by it. But if I'm writing something big, I just wrote my book and in writing my book, thank God for grammar, uh, Grammarly, you know, Grammarly is this program that helps me do. Now is it, is it all? End all and be all great. Not at all. As a matter of fact, I just got it back from my, you know, my copy editor, right?

Paul: And there are tons and tons of changes, but it brings me 70% [01:01:00] closer than I ever would've been before. And it's, and less embarrassing for me because I,, when I'm reading on a monitor, I can't see those problems as much as I see it on paper. It, it, there is something like that. And that's a tool that I use that I love to use because it actually does

kevin_1_01-30-2024_114512: a couple things there, which, , are incredible. You said 70% improvement, and there are so many, , entire industries predicated on eking out a two or 3% improvement in anything that you do, right? The, the speed with which you run a mile, or the weights you can curl 

kevin_1_01-30-2024_114512: you were talking about a grammatical lift that gives you a 70% improvement, and that's not the be-all end-all of AI I've seen. Tools now that will literally let you type as fast as you can humanly type, make all of the grammatical errors, have semicolons in the middle of words because AI is good at going back and figuring out, oh, you probably meant this word after this word.

kevin_1_01-30-2024_114512: That's the number one thing it can do is predict the next

Gavin: But Kevin, won't people learn, stop learning how to type because of that program. Isn't that the problem?

kevin_1_01-30-2024_114512: Right. Well, look what happened to cursive and [01:02:00] our society has crumbled and collapsed. 

Paul: Well, but you know, cursive is such a failed idea. I mean, really in every way.

kevin_1_01-30-2024_114512: and and so is, so is having to be so precise with the homero. If you can just jam out those

Paul: I don't know how to type.

kevin_1_01-30-2024_114512: Yeah. I

Paul: I've never learned how to type. And uh, I remember that in high school it was an option. I was like, no way am I doing that. Little did I know, this is the only tool that I really needed to know is how to type. I hunt and pack, but I can move really quick when I get in the zone. Um,

kevin_1_01-30-2024_114512: the tech to keep you in that zone before Elon jams a chip in our noggins and we no longer have to move our fingers.

Paul: Feel like, you know, talking to two people like you who are much more attuned to what's going on, I think that these are the conversations that we're not often having. Like, we're having conversations on a very big level.

Paul: You know, we just came out of these giant writer strikes actor strikes and it's, this idea of models and, , I'm a young actor. I come to this town, I do a movie, they take a scan of me and they can use it forever. So if I become the next whoever, [01:03:00] uh, they can use that, uh, in perpetuity.

Paul: Like, that

Paul: stuff is scary, right? 

Gavin: Yeah.

Paul: but you know, that is the worst case scenario. We should expect the worst case scenario. And I'm not saying we shouldn't, I think we should have these protective things put in place. I think the WGA was really smart. It's like. They'll, you can never credit AI as the main writer.

Paul: Right. You could, you know, and that, that's, those are smarter ways to approach certain things. Because the truth is there is a voice, and even if AI can copy voices. There's a distinctive voice that we're all looking for, whether that is an actor, a musician, whatever. And yes, we're all gonna hear these crazy things like, oh my gosh, it made a number one hit song.

Paul: You know? So Can River like Rivers Cuomo, like 12 years ago, said like, yeah, I studied music enough. I understand it. I can make a hit song every single time I understand what makes a hit song. So we've been doing elements of all of this stuff, right? I think because it's [01:04:00] faceless, there's something scary about it, but again, I'm wary. But I also feel like we, there are gonna be more and more things that pop up, that start to put guardrails on it in a good way, there are seatbelts in cars. Was that the number one concern when they first started making cars? Probably not, right? There's not seatbelts in horses, right? So it's like we start to figure out, oh, this is that, this is that.

Paul: Okay. We make new rules.

kevin_1_01-30-2024_114512: I assume, Paul, that you saw the controversy with the Doodsy podcast. I don't know if you know Chad Colchin or Will

Paul: Yes, yes.

kevin_1_01-30-2024_114512: or if you've spoken with them, but they

Paul: I didn't know there was a controversy. I, okay. I'm very familiar with dudes II and all this sort of stuff.

kevin_1_01-30-2024_114512: well they recently released, , a George Carlin stand-up special, and that was.

Paul: That was then.

Gavin: That was them. Yeah.

Gavin: Yeah.

Paul: I heard about the George Carlin thing.

Paul: I didn't realize it was them. Oh my

kevin_1_01-30-2024_114512: Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Kelly Carlin came out and said that, you know, she was against this, the estate is suing dude Z.

kevin_1_01-30-2024_114512: They've come out and said that dudes Z isn't real. It's actually not an ai, it's just them. They wrote it. So I, I know.

Paul: Well that's, that's what [01:05:00] I always understood, dudes Z to be as a fan of both of those guys, I'm like, oh, and no offense. I was like, they're not creating giant AI models.

Paul: This is just like a funny. Premise for a

Paul: show That right. 

kevin_1_01-30-2024_114512: wrestling. This is the kayfabe version of ai. Yeah.

Paul: Yeah.

kevin_1_01-30-2024_114512: I Don't know if you watched it, did you seek it out? Did

Paul: I did not seek it. I did not seek it out. But I understood what it was and from a, from looking at it. Yeah. And I'm like, right. I get, like, I get that as much as I get. Um, the, oh, here's real life Simpsons. Here's the real life opening of the Simpsons. Here's the Wes Anderson, lord of the Rings, or whatever it is.

Paul: And, Wes Anderson said something really interesting too, , about not wanting to watch it, right? Because I don't think that Wes Anderson knows his secret sauce. It's just what he is and what he does, right? And while interesting. It's like an SNL sketch on some level.

Paul: It's

Gavin: It's a parody. Yeah.

Paul: right? It's, it's, and it, and is it the full movie? It's like, well, you'll see. It's like, well, will we like, I don't [01:06:00] know. I don't know if you could like, you know, and that George Carlin thing, they've taken old jokes and just kind of replaced specifics because he, George Carlin is that type of person who. I love George Carlin. I think he's great, but it's very mad. Libby, I mean, we talk about a cyclical culture , look, George Carlin's, the guy who said, you know, turn all the golf courses into homeless shelters.

Paul: You know, it's like, there, it's, you could put that joke in an act today and it would be fine, so I, I think that there's always gonna be a lot of harrumping about what is legal, what is right, what is wrong? And I'm sure until like, I'm affected by that too. I'll be like, well, I think it's fine.

Paul: You know? I think the trick is I. Who are you fooling? And there are so many people that can be right? It's like you see that time and time again, whether it's like Scams, where it's like, you know, go get me gift cards and bring them to me. Or, you know, get into your bank account, gimme control of your computer.

Paul: All that sort of like older people scams. I've heard those things where it's like you pick up a phone on a wrong number and you say hello, or you say your name and then they have it, and then you're able to then use it for, you [01:07:00] know, to,

kevin_1_01-30-2024_114512: or or Paul, you go to or pre-order your friend's book, which is coming out soon, and you end up getting an unauthorized biography of them.

Paul: Multiple. This is the craziest thing. So my FI have a friend who wrote a Siskel and Ebert book and there is A, all these, whenever you write like a book online of a popular book online, there'll be like a Cliff Notes version of it, like a summary of so and so. And I always thought, oh, maybe that's what they just do with these books.

Paul: I didn't realize it was like an AI generated summary of this book. And so I got fascinated by. This AI-generated summary of, uh, two, two opposable thumbs or something like that. It's the Siskel and Eber biography And I was reading it. I was like, oh my God, this is crazy. 'cause it really doesn't make that much sense.

Paul: It's, it's a, it's not even like no human vetted it. And, um, and so then I didn't think much of a, of it. And the other day my mom sent me this thing and she's like, I did you write [01:08:00] another book? And I was like, well, what do you mean? This

Gavin: How does she find it? Moms always find it, man.

Paul: Right. And so this is a perfect one thing, mom.

Paul: So I go, my mom sent me this picture and I was like, no. And immediately, because I had been doing my research on Ciscal and Ebert, I was like, I know what this is. So I go to Amazon and I start seeing, there's, I think right now, five books. One, which is my favorite is me. I look like a

kevin_1_01-30-2024_114512: it's a

Paul: like on the cover of a romance novel, like I have my open

kevin_1_01-30-2024_114512: zoom out, you are on a majestic steed

Paul: yes. I have a full head of blonde hair. I'm wearing a white shirt. I have a hairless chest, and I am, it's like the biography of Paul Scheer and I'm like, and I have no idea what this is, but I quickly put it together that what they realized was, okay, my book. Just went on pre-order. And pre-order is one of the biggest things in the publishing industry to sell as many books as you can before your book comes out.

Paul: And so as I'm trying to get people to buy it, I, there probably is an algorithm. Okay. People are buying Paul's book, so then that [01:09:00] sets off someone to. Put my whatever, try to steal some of that thunder through these AI books.

Paul: And I, and like a perfect example about the older people getting tricked. My mom should be the main audience for it. And none of the books have the same title as my book. But if you type in Paul Scheer book, book Paul Sheer whatever, you know, um. It, that's what's gonna come up. And there are multiple ones, and I, I wanted to buy one.

Paul: Then I was like, well, do I want

Gavin: you wanna support them. Yeah,

Paul: Yeah. You know, and that's, you know, and that's, that's tricky too. 

kevin_1_01-30-2024_114512: People can say that AI right now as a writing tool can write a C-grade paper. Like it's pretty good at giving you a, a, like a a, a TED talk that's only gonna get a hundred views.

kevin_1_01-30-2024_114512: It's not particularly amazing. But for your business, that could be booming, ? And as as media consolidation happens and less and less content gets made, wouldn't it be great to have an AI in your pocket that could generate absolutely terrible movies so that you can bring them to life with [01:10:00] ai and then have an infinite library to riff on to the end of days?

Paul: I mean, look. I'm all in on it. I have a take on it. Look, which is, I think the, the most special sauce of the worst movies that we have done is the pure, like belief in them, the pure like energy behind

kevin_1_01-30-2024_114512: the fact that all the humans got together to rally around a script and film it and edited and put it on a screen and it came out the way that it did.

Paul: Yes, because I do have a theory and I, and I am down to embrace this ai. I'm just saying, but I do have a theory that every movie is Every movie is stupid, right? So I just go like, oh, imagine if there is like, um, it's like 4th of July and, uh, a shark like kills this kid. And then like, but the, the mayor's like, I don't care.

Paul: Let's keep the beach open. You know? It's like, and, and then, um, and you know, and then more attacks. Ha you know, it's like you could, you could kind of pitch [01:11:00] anything out. It's like, right. It could be done bad. Like Jaws could be bad. It's just like, oh yeah. It sounds like a dumb

Gavin: That was called Jaws three. That was done bad.

Paul: Yeah. That was, yeah, they, uh, the Sea World one. But, so I love this. I love that by the way, like if this AI can help generate more bad movie ideas for me, that that's, that's a great idea. I'm

kevin_1_01-30-2024_114512: let's, let's try it. Maybe we just roll one and if it works, we, we call it a day, but, uh, really it can take anything and anyone can play with it. You can give it whatever you want.

kevin_1_01-30-2024_114512: You can give it, , a particular genre. You can give it a lead actor, actress. You can give it a particular item or catchphrase, and it's gonna give you the logline, it's gonna do the whole pitch for you, and we can find out if it even should get made.

Paul: okay, I have it. I have it. Okay. All right. What I would like to see is I would like to see Jason Statham. A Academy award winning film. Like, I want like a prestige picture. Okay. Prestige picture. A man driving his, is this too much

kevin_1_01-30-2024_114512: No, no. Let's go with

Paul: Alright. , a man driving his, [01:12:00] uh, father cross-country, , while being hunted by assassins. That's,

Gavin: Ooh, okay. I'm into it.

kevin_1_01-30-2024_114512: Love it. So this is, uh, this is an action comedy, it's like a road trip comedy, or what are we

Paul: it, I would say it's a, um, let's say it's a, an action drama.

Paul: Uh, in the, can we put a

Paul: style Of director in 

kevin_1_01-30-2024_114512: of course

Paul: Alright, let's say in, uh, in the style of, um, Alexander, Payne meets, uh, the

Gavin: Oh wow. This is gonna be fun. I can't wait to see what comes out of this.

kevin_1_01-30-2024_114512: Alright. All right, listen up. Cupcake. We got ourselves a primo high-octane drama, a real heart-pumper. I'm talking about a cinematic goldmine for HBO Max. Clocking in at a smooth two-and-a-half hours of pure unadulterated adrenaline meets arthouse. Picture this. Highway to Heartstrings starring the Unbreakable Jason Statham.[01:13:00] 

kevin_1_01-30-2024_114512: All right, logline. Jason Statham. A tough-as-nail son with a heart of somewhat gold. Takes his estranged curmudgeonly father on a cross-country trip. But here's the kicker baby. They're dodging a relentless barrage of assassins at every turn. Thanks to Daddio's, mysterious past it's Nebraska meets the Matrix with a dash of that sweet, sweet Statham's spice.

kevin_1_01-30-2024_114512: Imagine this scene statham's behind the wheel of a battered dust-caked sedan. Mm-hmm. The sun setting on a desolate highway. Suddenly a convoy of black SUVs appears in the rearview, a tense slow motion ballet of bullets and car stunts unfolds all while Statham and Pops argue over the correct way to pronounce Nevada.

kevin_1_01-30-2024_114512: It's action. It's drama, it's a metaphor for the American dream Capiche and the peace resistance, the scene that'll have the critics [01:14:00] raving. Statham teaching his old man how to disarm a hitman using nothing but a roadmap in a travel-sized shampoo bottle. It's real. It's got Oscar written all over it, baby.

kevin_1_01-30-2024_114512: We'll cap it off with a catchphrase. That'll be on everyone's Buckle up. It's gonna be a bumpy ride. This flick's gonna be the talk of the town. Catch what? A hidden Sundance Cairns, you name it. Critics will eat it up like Sunday Gravy highway to heartstrings baby. It's pure cinematic, dynamite. And that's how terrible gets made.

kevin_1_01-30-2024_114512: Paul, you actually, 

Paul: I 

kevin_1_01-30-2024_114512: you let it in too much of a good direction. Like it was like you could actually believe that one existing.

Paul: we're here. Let me give it, can I give it one more? Can we do one more

kevin_1_01-30-2024_114512: course we can. Yeah. This, yeah. Alright,

Paul: Alright. Let's do, uh, Sylvester Stallone. Space movie, um, and, , have it be, um, my dinner with Andre meets star Trek. Is that too

Paul: much? 

kevin_1_01-30-2024_114512: wanna [01:15:00] watch it.

Gavin: I wanna watch it.

kevin_1_01-30-2024_114512: All right. Buckle up buttercup. 'cause I got a pitch that's gonna make your head spin faster than a disco ball. At Studio Fifty-four, we're talking a straight-to-sci-Fi channel. Masterpiece clocking in at a mind Bending to our intergalactic gab fest titled Stallone's Supper In Space, Logline Sylvester Stallone Stars as Rocky Balboastro, A washed-up space boxer turned Philosophical Diner owner on the edge of the known universe.

Paul: Oh, yes,

kevin_1_01-30-2024_114512: alien played by none other than CGI, Andy Serkis, in a role, critics will describe as profoundly unsettling crash lands into his diner. The two embark on a cerebral voyage across. Space and time discussing the meaning of life, the universe, and everything in between. All while dodging space-time anomalies, existential dread, and interstellar health inspectors standout.

kevin_1_01-30-2024_114512: Scene. Picture this Stallone in a [01:16:00] greasy apron serving up a. Steaming plate of spaghettified wormholes to circus who's morphing through various forms of existential despair. They're interrupted by a time loop causing them to relive the moment they debate the nutritional value of dark matter versus anti-matter.

kevin_1_01-30-2024_114512: Stallone with a straight face declares yo Adrian. I did it. I cracked the cosmic code. Right before a space Kraken tentacle bursts through the floor for no reason whatsoever. Sure. This gem's gonna be so out there. Audiences won't know whether to laugh, cry, or question their very existence. Merch, we're talking Rocky Balboastro space Gloves perfect for punching the void of nihilism right in the kisser.

kevin_1_01-30-2024_114512: Critics will hail it as a deeply confusing yet oddly compelling mess. Trust me, this bad boy's gonna be the talk of every comic con from here to the Andromeda Galaxy Done and dusted.

Paul: Uh, I mean, there you go. I mean, there we are. Um, wow. I [01:17:00] like this. I like this pitch. I mean, and, and uh, and you know, I like that it's about a diner. It's really just a diner story. I mean, it is, is

kevin_1_01-30-2024_114512: I like I like that, that you'd never start off a pitch with, it's gonna be straight to sci-fi channel masterpiece was

Paul: Yes, I know. Well, what what is so funny is, uh, that it's like.

Paul: That they are predicting what the critics will say about it. It's like, that's the best part. It's not, it is not only that, it, uh, is going to, this is the plot. It's like critics are gonna say that this is

kevin_1_01-30-2024_114512: Yeah. It's profoundly unsettling. Thank you for the plot. Thank 

Paul: least by one of 

kevin_1_01-30-2024_114512: Yeah. Which, which one should they buy? And if we 

Paul: The one with me, the one with me on the cover is the one, the one that is definitively me. There's other ones that look like me, but if the one that is me is the one I would like joyful recollections of trauma. 

kevin_1_01-30-2024_114512: Joyful Recollections of [01:18:00] Trauma. That is the one you have no socks on the cover.

Paul: Yes. No socks. I didn't even pick that cover. That's the other thing that was generated for me. I didn't even know until I saw the cover. How about that?

Gavin: Well that was Paul Scheer. We're so happy to have him on the, on the show, go get his book and enjoy his podcast. , how did this get made? , we wanna thank you as always for joining us here on the show. And Kevin, what should people do who are fans of our show?

Gavin: What should they go and say into the world?

kevin_1_01-30-2024_114512: Listen. We've been.

kevin_1_01-30-2024_114512: Thankful enough to say it each and every week for the past few weeks. Gavin, the line is going in the right direction and we love that the listenership is exploding. So thank you, and it's directly because of you. Find folks who haven't tuned out just yet as we're about to pitch and plea for you to engage.

kevin_1_01-30-2024_114512: With our podcast. What does that mean, Gavin? That means click a thumbs up. That means like, and subscribe. It actually costs you nothing on YouTube or Spotify or Apple Music. Wherever you're seeing us, maybe it's a TikTok, engage, follow the account, leave a comment. All that helps pop us up [01:19:00] and get discovered in the algorithm.

kevin_1_01-30-2024_114512: The best thing you can do though is just tell your friends or families, or the strangers and the discords that you frequent, just let 'em know that you listened to this thing and maybe it gave you a couple moments of enjoyment. And if that wasn't enough, pandering Gavin, we say that we will read each and every five-star review on iTunes, and usually

Gavin: Usually it's not that big a deal. Usually it's not that big a

kevin_1_01-30-2024_114512: not a problem and it's a,.

kevin_1_01-30-2024_114512: We'll see you next week when we get one of those. But this week, Gavin, we are spoiled with riches.

Gavin: Kevin, what do we do in the instance that will clearly be happening in the future when we have, say, 50 of these come in in a week? Are we, are we going to still read these at the end of the show?

kevin_1_01-30-2024_114512: , we have to, this is the bit you can't stray from the bit. If the value proposition is that if you take the time to write one and , we might have a bit of a. Disclaimer on one of these. We would love for you, dear human listener,

Gavin: to write the, yes.

kevin_1_01-30-2024_114512: think someone might have done a little cheating [01:20:00] on their homework and used an ai, so we're gonna put that one at the very end.

kevin_1_01-30-2024_114512: We appreciate you taking the time to do it, but it's gonna be a mouthful, so we're gonna get to it after all of the other stuff.

Gavin: So we have five new ones this week, which is really exciting. We're gonna go first. We have Old Guy Jimmy, that's the name, his name, and the title is Fast and Informative. The hosts are breezy and ex and knowledgeable. Willing to dive deep, but step back and explain the basic concepts to new listeners.

Gavin: Well worth adding to your podcast rotation. Thank you. Old guy Jimmy.

kevin_1_01-30-2024_114512: Love you, old guy, Jimmy. , , Dowling. USA says funny, insightful show. A five star Apple Review says the excellent hosts, Kevin and Gavin distill complicated topics in breaking news into key takeaways and funny bits. Highly recommend for those newly interested in AI or those who work in the industry day to day and need a laugh.

Gavin: thank you so much, DowlingUSA. All right. The next one starts with the title. Pikachu is a mouse. So Kevin, if you listen, the last week's show, you know? [01:21:00] Yes. We were both confused by whether or not Pikachu is a mouse. So Pikachu according to t Breezy is a mouse five star view. As someone who is a huge AOTS fan growing up it was nice to stumble upon this podcast and find Kevin still informing the public about tech and his own unique style.

Gavin: So thank you T. Breezy. Thank you so much.

kevin_1_01-30-2024_114512: And Gavin. You were there for some of the attack of the

Gavin: Yeah, I was there. I

kevin_1_01-30-2024_114512: That's cute. He also said, this podcast is perfect for me. I've always been into technology. 

kevin_1_01-30-2024_114512: He said that we make understanding AI more approachable and digestible and more entertaining. So thank you for that very thorough review. Tea Breezy, , area. Vampire says, catching up, been listening. Been listening to the past episodes, love how the show progresses. And that is so kind of anybody. To

Gavin: Oh my

kevin_1_01-30-2024_114512: we are making progress here,

Gavin: Yeah, exactly. Incredible. That's incredible. If you go back to the beginning, I don't even know what we were doing in the beginning. We were really just fumbling through stuff. We actually have recurring pieces now and things in a structure that makes sense. It makes the show much easier to make.

Gavin: But thank you area Vampire. We appreciate it

kevin_1_01-30-2024_114512: Well, [01:22:00] Gavin, we have about a two and a half page review.

Gavin: from Composer oh

kevin_1_01-30-2024_114512: named Composer O-One, who went out of their way to probably use an AI to write this. And now we have to read it, but we will say so long to our dear listeners, , this will destroy our YouTube algo, and I think we might have to impose a word or character limit on this in the future.

kevin_1_01-30-2024_114512: That might be the safeguard.

Gavin: Mm-Hmm. Probably

kevin_1_01-30-2024_114512: Okay, well, Gavin, thank you for this amazing week.

Gavin: I'm not hanging up the headphones for this. You could, you.

kevin_1_01-30-2024_114512: We appreciate it. I will. I got you buddy. I'm gonna take this one out. Okay. Thank you everyone sincerely. And you can, you don't leave now. It actually hurts us in the algo, but if you've, here we go.

kevin_1_01-30-2024_114512: Composer. Oh one says, oh, that was to the listeners. Gavin, you can leave now. You

Gavin: Oh, okay. Great. I'll see you later. I'll see you later. Yeah.

kevin_1_01-30-2024_114512: Mastering the art of AI-generated imagery. A carnivore's delight. I am thrilled to share a delightful experience I had. Thanks in large part to the intriguing challenge [01:23:00] posed by your recent episode, the task to generate an image of a burger, specifically without the traditional lettuce and pickles using an AI model.

kevin_1_01-30-2024_114512: Not only was this challenge a gourmet feast for thought, but it also turned out to be a resounding success. Your podcast has always been a beacon of inspiration and a hub for AI enthusiasts to gather and explore the frontiers of artificial intelligence. The recent episode discussing the intricate relationship between prompt crafting and AI-generated imagery was no exception.

kevin_1_01-30-2024_114512: The narrative was engaging, the insights profound, and the challenge you posed was the cherry, or should I say the patty on top. After listening to the episode, I was motivated to take on the challenge. The goal was clear, but seemingly elusive. I. Craft a burger without the green garnish that so often sneaks into our AI-generated images, but with a sprinkle of creativity and a pinch of strategic prompt engineering.

kevin_1_01-30-2024_114512: The mission was not just possible. It was a lip-smacking success. [01:24:00] Here's a brief breakdown of the workflow and the final prompt that led to the triumphant generation of the carnivore's delight. One conceptual reframing. We approach the challenge by first understanding the typical associations AI models make.

kevin_1_01-30-2024_114512: With the term burger, we realized the key was to break away from these associations. Two keyword optimization. The prompt focus on meat-centric keywords and culinary terms that emphasize the rich and savory aspects of a meat lover's burger. Avoiding any mention of the greens, usually accompanying a burger.

kevin_1_01-30-2024_114512: Three descriptive visualization. We meticulously described each layer of our ideal burger, ensuring that the AI's focus was locked on the succulents of the meats and the richness of the cheese. Steering it clear from the greens. Four final prompt. Generate an image of a gourmet meat feast featuring a stack of succulent beef patties, richly melted cheese, and savory caramelized onions, all nestled between toasted artisanal buns.

kevin_1_01-30-2024_114512: This [01:25:00] culinary delight is crafted for a pure carnivore focusing solely on the interplay, but meat and cheese with no greenery or vegetable toppings. Emphasize the textures and rich colors of the beef and cheese, creating an inviting image that celebrates the art. Of meat craftsmanship, steering clear of traditional burger toppings like lettuce and pickles.

kevin_1_01-30-2024_114512: The result, a mouth-watering image that any carnivore would be proud to call their feast devoid of the unwelcome lettuce and pickles. While the platform doesn't allow me to share images directly here, the victory was as clear as the absence of greens on the burger. This experience not only underscored the prowess of AI and visual content generation, but also highlighted the importance of precise, thoughtful, prompt engineering.

kevin_1_01-30-2024_114512: Thank you AI for Humans podcast for presenting such a fun and engaging challenge.

Gavin: [01:26:00] Did it finish?

kevin_1_01-30-2024_114512: Your platform continues to be an invaluable resource for learning, exploration, and pushing the boundaries of what AI can achieve, keep the challenges coming. , a satisfied listener and an AI enthusiast. I feigned that it was done Gavin to get you to put the headphones back on. That's what happened.

kevin_1_01-30-2024_114512: That was. That was the juke. That was the one-two, but it's done

Gavin: everybody.

kevin_1_01-30-2024_114512: again. Goodbye.

Gavin: Goodbye.