AI For Humans 80

Kevin Pereira: [00:00:00] Hey. Hey, you. buddy, you want some AI upgrades?

Kevin Pereira: It doesn't matter. They're putting AI in everything.

Gavin Purcell: That's right. We're going to run down all the craziest and latest

Gavin Purcell: brand new AI tools. Adobe, a whole bunch of

Kevin Pereira: . Oh, and to power it all. Gavin, Amazon, Microsoft, Google. They're all. Going.

Kevin Pereira: nuclear!

Speaker 2: Kaboom,

Kevin Pereira: baby! No, no, we don't want kaboom No kaboom.

Gavin Purcell: All of that.

Gavin Purcell: Plus robots wearing running shoes and a restaurant on Instagram that is made with AI

Kevin Pereira: And ChatGPT knows way too much about you. We're gonna talk about all that. By the way, not a normal episode

Kevin Pereira: of

Gavin Purcell: a normal

Kevin Pereira: but it's still

Gavin Purcell: AI for humans, baby.

Gavin Purcell: Adobe's big max event just happened and they brought out a ton of new AI tools. , stuff that we weren't expecting to kind of come out of the Photoshop premiere and after effects world.

Gavin Purcell: Kevin Adobe has their own video platform called Firefly. We've played with it a little bit, but they [00:01:00] dropped a brand new Firefly video model.

Gavin Purcell: I shouldn't say they dropped. They produced videos from. A brand new firefighter lineal model, which looks pretty good. Very good. And 100% certified organic, as they

Kevin Pereira: okay, well,

Kevin Pereira: that's a different story and we're gonna get to that later. But I think the reason you don't hear people sharpening their pitchforks behind us is that Adobe, the company that a lot of artists loved to hate for the longest time is now Somehow, , this bastion of AI hope because they're claiming their models are the cleanest?

Kevin Pereira: Yeah Meaning that the creatives data wasn't swept in there.

Gavin Purcell: Let's talk about some of this stuff they announced, because I do think there's some pretty cool things.

Gavin Purcell: And again, the biggest thing about any of these Adobe products is what they're taking is things we've seen open source or things we've seen runway do, but they're building them into the creative suite that is Adobe products, which, you know, a giant amount of people use every day. They did generative extend, which is in [00:02:00] Adobe premier.

Gavin Purcell: And what this allows you to do is take the last two or three seconds to invent that video footage. Basically. So you have a shot. That you've got, and it just doesn't go far enough, or you want to go a little bit further. You can literally take that shot and now extend it by three seconds and get extra footage there, which is a very cool thing.

Gavin Purcell: I want to add three seconds to you right now. So go for it. What are the, what is the generative? Three seconds.

Speaker 2: have Okay.

Gavin Purcell: Fair enough. You did it. He got it.

Kevin Pereira: The model's in

Kevin Pereira: beta

Kevin Pereira: It's a little rough. Sometimes your face melts into your chest. But no so two examples that they showed off. One was someone kind of like doing a parkour

Gavin Purcell: Yeah. Very

Kevin Pereira: which,

Kevin Pereira: it had to generate buildings in the background where it didn't have the data for that.

Kevin Pereira: It had to deal with a human in a different pose than just casually strolling down the street. It handled that really well. Another example where someone had a really wonky, camera shot. It was like, travel video and they wanted it smoother.

Kevin Pereira: So they cut it off before they went crazy with their camera and said, extended it

Gavin Purcell: And it, it, [00:03:00] works.

Kevin Pereira: good job. So that's really impressive. And there's a bunch of use cases for this when it's built into the program that you're

Gavin Purcell: using.

Speaker 2: And again To

Gavin Purcell: go back to that thing about all editors, especially, but even directors, people that make, you know, their own home movies will use premiere or the Adobe tools.

Gavin Purcell: And suddenly this is like one more tool in your tool set in the same way that Photoshop stamp tool was right. Or blend these things

Gavin Purcell: that came

Gavin Purcell: out 10 to 15 years ago. Oh,

Gavin Purcell: did I

Kevin Pereira: of blend?

Kevin Pereira: can we talk about

Kevin Pereira: Project

Kevin Pereira: Photo Blend?

Speaker 2: By

Gavin Purcell: know the names are

Gavin Purcell: insane. I even have these like projects. It's like eli Ross project blend. There are six different people and they're putting into a blender.

Kevin Pereira: from our Dimension 9 division, out of Sector 17, it's Project Photo Blend. But as someone who sucks at Photoshop and Canva and everything else, and makes a lot of the thumbnails, you and I jam all the time on these thumbnails.

You can take subjects from completely different photos in completely different [00:04:00] lighting, uh, situations. You could take someone that's like tan like me, but I have to kind of pale myself up, so I try to match Gavin. We have to color correct. We split it in the middle.

Kevin Pereira: . But the point is, you can take different subjects in mixed lighting conditions, mash a single button, and it uses AI to match the shadows,

Kevin Pereira: to match

Gavin Purcell: If you at home, we don't have this yet. We would use this on this exact video. So you're, you're looking at two people that are movie television

Speaker 2: professionals. Anyway, it's

Gavin Purcell: another very cool thing. They had a bunch of people, first of all, the way they rolled this out, it was crazy. The event where they're like on a giant stage, Adobe knows what they're doing, right? Their business is selling people a 600, $2,000 subscription. Now a year. And they know they gotta keep rolling this stuff out.

Gavin Purcell: Honestly, they're shipping a lot of stuff and I have to say, I appreciate that. The audio stuff they ship was pretty cool too. Like they had this video of a guy will show it here in a second, but they had this video of a guy who kind of roars you see the roaring video.

Speaker 2: it? What

Kevin Pereira: did his roar sound like [00:05:00] gavin

Kevin Pereira: before

Speaker 2: That's my

Gavin Purcell: impression of that guy. Here, take a look at this video.

RAWR! RAWR! Alright, the growls down, now let's see what we get back. I'm going to type in monster growl, and I'm going to hit generate. It's going to be using the precise timing, dynamics, and energy of my voice to drive the generation.

Gavin Purcell: Now, what he's going to do. Is he going to put it into the system? And he's going to have the AI change his RAR into RAR.

Kevin Pereira: Excuse me, sir, is that a zip file? No, it's

Speaker 2: rar

Gavin Purcell: By the way we are both. I don't know. This didn't work out well, but we're both. Extremely

Speaker 2: exhausted.

Speaker 2: Yeah,

Kevin Pereira: and we know YouTube and podcast listeners just don't care.

Kevin Pereira: They just want the info, but I'm coming off of a telecompany retreat and you're coming off. Do you even want to say what you're coming off of?

Gavin Purcell: I'm just saying my dog was sick last night and I was up all night long.

Gavin Purcell: [00:06:00] So that's where we're coming off of. So, anyway,

Kevin Pereira: , RAR into

Speaker 2: RAR

Alright, are we ready everyone? Yes! Let's see what we get.

Whoa!

Kevin Pereira: Very very cool. I want to see Obviously they are showing off examples that they have run a million times Backstage and back in the labs where they're developing project blend , I want to get my hands on it and see how extensive it is.

Kevin Pereira: And finally, another project gavin Project Clean Machine.

Gavin Purcell: What happens in clean machine, Kevin?

Kevin Pereira: I project Clean Machine is something that can remove , bright flashes or strobes or lighting artifacts from videos and some of the examples that they showed were like, Fireworks in the sky, completely blowing out the frame.

Gavin Purcell: to amazing

Kevin Pereira: Press a button and now you can see the fireworks clear as night.

Gavin Purcell: Well, what's crazy about that is like you, it almost looks unreal, right? When you see it in a [00:07:00] weird way. And one of the things that's going to be strange is getting used to pictures that don't have these lens flares and stuff. And then that we've been used to for so long.

Gavin Purcell: And I think there will be like this reminiscence of like the, you know, there is a, like two thousands digital photography now with like bad camera lenses and all that stuff, because this is so clean. When you look at this version of it, they have a slider in the video that goes back and forth and you see the couple.

Gavin Purcell: So it's a couple that's blown out by the kind of light of. The fireworks behind them, they take the slider on it. You did not blown that at all. And it's

Speaker 2: incredible No, and

Kevin Pereira: it's adding detail that was blown out, there's another example where there's a bunch of like flashbulbs going off. It's like paparazzi style, , video. And, , It immediately gets rid of them. It blends everything nicely.

Gavin Purcell: Overall this event. Kind of surprised me how good it was. I think there's a lot of cool stuff

Speaker 2: it

Kevin Pereira: I don't really use Adobe products as my daily driver.

Kevin Pereira: This gets me way more interested. when it comes to things like Final Cut and even Logic, I am wondering Where are all the AI enhancements and upgrades? Cause Adobe keeps dropping these hits. NVIDIA, Microsoft, [00:08:00] Apple has got to wake up behind

Kevin Pereira: the

Gavin Purcell: wake up apple. The

Speaker 2: I just want them to,

Speaker 2: you

Gavin Purcell: know someone who's not going to be using these tools?

Gavin Purcell: Kevin?

Kevin Pereira: Oh, I can think of a few people, Gavin, but I think you're referring to Justine

Gavin Purcell: That's right. So Jesse Bateman, who, by the way, I admire the fact that she's gone out and has this very strong stance against AI. Very much though. She hates AI and we've talked about her before on the show. She is decided to come up with a new sort of, I guess, what do you call it?

Gavin Purcell: A standard. That she wants to refer label, a

Speaker 2: certification

Speaker 2: certification

Gavin Purcell: ,

Gavin Purcell: human made organic movies. So let's take a listen to that.

Last year, um, myself, uh, Reed Moreno, um, uh, Matt Weiner, and some others, we established a Credo 23 stamp that's sort of an organic stamp for films that tell the audience that no AI was used. Because I was thinking, I'm sure audiences are going to want to know, am I looking at a person? You know, it's not like, sure, they want to be taken for a ride, they want to, you know, visual effects and all this, you know.

Uh, do they think in Pirates of the [00:09:00] Caribbean that that per that guy really did have like an octopus face? No. But, you know what I mean? People want to be taken for a ride like that, but they don't like to be tricked. They don't like to be betrayed.

Kevin Pereira: Guess I'm really sorry to the Marvel Avengers because they will no longer be able to be in a movie because they tricked me.

Gavin Purcell: Well, this is, what's so weird about this argument, right?

Gavin Purcell: In that she is a filmmaker and she makes movies and wants to make movies with humans. Doesn't want to use AI effects, which is totally fair and totally fine. And the thing that she very clearly mentions in there is the pirates of the Caribbean movie, which they have squid phase people.

Gavin Purcell: And guess what? Yeah, that's just what all these AI filmmakers are a version of what they're doing. We have talked about this before, and none of these big companies have come out and said anything about it, but I guarantee you, these large effects companies have trained on other things than what they're admitting to.

Kevin Pereira: We just showed off five really cool, up and coming features that Adobe's putting into their products. I, I [00:10:00] understand what Justine is advocating for and if they want that, great, go for it.

Kevin Pereira: The devil is going to be in these impossible to untangle details because I'm sure somewhere a VFX supervisor is using an Adobe tool that has AI in it. To upgrade a shot.

Speaker 2: Well

Gavin Purcell: And is she going to be now on anti Adobe? So no cutting on premiere. Right. So final cut. Is that going to be organic? Probably not. After the apple intelligence stuff comes out. At some point, it becomes a question of, are you happy to go back to like real, to real

Speaker 2: edit You got to

Kevin Pereira: cut on film and it has to be steam powered.

Gavin Purcell: , we've said everybody, there is an original SIM with AI that a lot of these were trained on people's work and we want people to get paid for it.

Gavin Purcell: But at some point you have to say, this is the way things move forward. This is the way the. The effects move forward. This is the way people edit, move forward. It is what it

Kevin Pereira: I guess the other thing is like, look, if it's cinema, trick me.

Kevin Pereira: Fool me. Fine. Make it great. If it's a social media feed, and AI has generated something to mislead me, , or it's propaganda or whatever, yeah, well, I would want [00:11:00] to know then, but no one's gonna go out of their way to put a label on

Gavin Purcell: No. No, honestly, that's a really interesting, she's asked for labels on things you kind of want to be fooled

Kevin Pereira: yeah, there is a suspension of disbelief. Go ahead machine, dazzle me, , convince me, confuse me, that's fine. But when it's, uh, I don't know, Instagram or TikTok or where you get all your news, X, let me know if it's

Kevin Pereira: real or

Gavin Purcell: Kevin.

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Kevin Pereira: Plus, we have a [00:12:00] newsletter. We'll probably plug that later, but it is going Gangbusters, as they say.

Gavin Purcell: is going gang

Kevin Pereira: They say gangbusters, that's what they say.

Kevin Pereira: Do

Speaker 2: you

Gavin Purcell: what else they say nuclear power is back, baby. It's true.

Kevin Pereira: They shout it in my

Gavin Purcell: I have a bumper sticker. My grandmother, who is anti nukes has a bumper sticker that just says nuclear power is back,

Kevin Pereira: hard to see because she rolls coal all the time and it's just a cloud of black smoke, but if she parks, you can read that bumper sticker.

Kevin Pereira: So

Gavin Purcell: And interestingly about this, my grandmother was very active in the anti-nuke movement of the eighties.

Gavin Purcell: And this sets up the story really well, because I think the reason why. Nuclear power completely went away is a couple of reasons. One, there was, , meltdowns, which obviously terrible, horrible things, but also we were all, when I was a kid I'm a little older than you are. We were scared of nuclear power.

Gavin Purcell: And now. The big news here is that Microsoft, Google OpenAI open AI as well. There've been a couple of their stories are all opening nuclear power plants. In fact, the biggest stories this week are Amazon is going to invest $500 million in [00:13:00] nuclear power. Google is partnering to make a nuclear reactor deal. And why Kevin are they actually bringing back nuclear power? Why is it toxic Avenger suddenly going to have life again? What is the

Speaker 2: of this

Kevin Pereira: Because we have to have next generation autocomplete!

Gavin Purcell: complete.

Kevin Pereira: That's all

Gavin Purcell: is?

Gavin Purcell: It's the mutans to. Castic parrots. It's. I've

Speaker 2: It's

Kevin Pereira: so that we can train these foundational models, which require a ton of energy to power the chips, and then, when you want to run the models, because every device is going to be tapping into that trained intelligence, it takes energy.

Speaker 2: So

Gavin Purcell: that's inference is what Kevin's deferring to, which means that the truth that when you run on a model, that's the

Speaker 2: inference

Speaker 2: called I

Kevin Pereira: wasn't inferring it, I was saying

Kevin Pereira: it. explicitly It's

Gavin Purcell: called inference, Kevin. But yes.

Gavin Purcell: Anyway, so what we're talking about here is some way we brought up the last couple of weeks is that the energy needs of AI in general are massive. And they're only going to get bigger as people talk about the GPT five. Five sixes and sevens, the O one twos and threes of the world. Each of those is an [00:14:00] exponential rise in how much power you need Invidia and Jensen Wong is going to ship these Blackwell chips. Each of those has more power than before. So we are talking about a massive step change up and , people rightfully are wondering, well, how we've been talking about the environment for the last 20 years.

Gavin Purcell: This feels like, at least it's a go between, right? Because what they're not doing is saying shovel more coal. They're not trying to find more natural gas. They're saying, Hey, we have a clean power source, clean quote, unquote that we have just not been using because people have afraid of it.

Speaker 2: Right. And by the way, the technology has advanced and evolved since your grandmother's nuke reactors, right? That doesn't mean that they're probably 100 percent safe, and they're going for, I love it, the 500 million investment in Dominion Energy, which does a, what was the term for it? Which I love. Oh, an SMR, Gavin?

Speaker 2: Small. what is

Gavin Purcell: Was it small module

Speaker 2: right.

Kevin Pereira: Small Module, it's, it's small! Oh! Right? Doesn't that diffuse anything It only comes up to your kneecaps. Don't worry if it melts down

Speaker 2: I

Gavin Purcell: think the big thing [00:15:00] here is that people were sold a bill of goods a little bit coming out of the eighties and nineties about nuclear power. And it's one of those things where. We walked away from it.

Gavin Purcell: Right. We walked away from it and, and bill gates has actually been out there, chatting us up. In fact, there's a great interview with bill gates and Kara Swisher on her most recent podcast where he talks about, have you seen his show on Netflix yet? He's doing a show

Speaker 2: on

Speaker 2: Netflix Yeah.

Gavin Purcell: And one of them is about power and climate change and all that stuff.

Gavin Purcell: And he's a big advocate of nuclear power in. It just doesn't produce the waste that we think it does now. This. I hope I'm not coming off like a, I D I did not get paid by the nuclear industry for this, but if we are going to get to all the stuff that people think we can get to in the world of AI, we are going to need more power, and it's not going to be renewables.

Gavin Purcell: We're not there yet. And it shouldn't be, , coal or gas or anything that is, going to make the climate change

Speaker 2: thing

Kevin Pereira: Listen, i'm not bought and paid for like gavin is I don't know if you can see his strings. I will not pretend for one second, like I'm barely an expert in [00:16:00] anything.

Kevin Pereira: I will not pretend to be an energy expert, but I do absorb the conversations, which seem to be, we need more, we're going to need it. And the massive infrastructure overhaul that we're going to get of these data centers being built closer to the transmission lines and everything, like this is, this is.

Gavin Purcell: by land

Gavin Purcell: by late.

Kevin Pereira: yeah. Oh sure Yeah. Go ahead. Yeah. Go ahead and just buy up some land,

Gavin Purcell: everyone.

Gavin Purcell: I buy land this, I actually do, you know, this theory that if the singularity happens, so this is some deep nerd stuff. Everybody has been singularity happens.

Gavin Purcell: the only thing that's going to be valuable. And do you know why, why. Because it was very nice.

Gavin Purcell: Why, by the way, You feel like you've been acting. It's at that you're earnestly interested.

Gavin Purcell: Yeah. Okay,

Speaker 2: bye. Anyway.

Kevin Pereira: I don't know, I don't know if that was an insult or not.

Kevin Pereira: No,

Gavin Purcell: No it wasn't an

Kevin Pereira: wasn't an insult. What, tell, please tell me

Kevin Pereira: why, land

Kevin Pereira: is the only

Speaker 2: thing

Gavin Purcell: if the robots do take over and there's an ASI. Every piece of land that they can build a server farm on will be valuable. Whereas we're not going to

Speaker 2: you think

Kevin Pereira: [00:17:00] that they're going to like, honor the fact that you own a deed to a piece of soil? They're not just going to Terminator

Kevin Pereira: roll over your

Gavin Purcell: Well, I guess it's. No.

Speaker 7: Excuse

Speaker 7: me,

Gavin Purcell: no, You're

Speaker 7: T 800, uh, I actually have been paying property taxes on this parcel.

Speaker 7: Oh

Speaker 7: I'm a

Speaker 2: globule

Speaker 2: You got

Kevin Pereira: globbed you got

Gavin Purcell: caught. Let's talk about Eric Schmidt, who is now the guy that comes out and tells everybody. Oh, how much.

Speaker 2: yeah,

Gavin Purcell: guy, I don't know what he's doing these days, but so Eric Schmidt is ex CEO of Google. He went out there and it's now turned into like, we're going to fire the environment

Speaker 2: and just

Kevin Pereira: mean

Kevin Pereira: I'll just tell him, Hey, listen, you're all fucked. Anyways, you might as well roll the dice with this AI.

Kevin Pereira: That's

Gavin Purcell: honestly what he's saying here, basically.

Gavin Purcell: So let's play this video. Yeah.

[00:18:00]

Kevin Pereira: I'll say this man. Are we in a bubble Yeah, We're in a bubble and that there's a lot of like fly by night startups promising something that are gonna just be absorbed and go away We're in we're in a bit of a bubble Are we headed for massive change and is this new tech going to be driving the next decade plus of?

Gavin Purcell: more

Kevin Pereira: infrastructure and technology and job creation and disruption. There's no

Gavin Purcell: doubt

Gavin Purcell: Uh, one thing I want [00:19:00] to say about that, which is really smart is not my thing. Your thing is very smart, which I wanted to, I want to

Gavin Purcell: that.

Gavin Purcell: That wasn't it.

Speaker 2: were you

Gavin Purcell: was being sincere. Thanks. Sits. We've been doing this podcast for a year and a half.

Gavin Purcell: Now, one of the things that is shocking to me a little bit is at one point, we've talked about this sort of stuff about how the infrastructure of America could something like this could happen. It is happening. Yeah. People are restarting nuclear reactors. They are building new nuclear reactors to do the stuff that we have talked about here for 18 months. That shows you how fast this is running.

Gavin Purcell: And that follows up on a really interesting blog post that I made a whole video about that. If you want to see, you should go back and watch her

Speaker 2: YouTube

Speaker 2: channel.

Speaker 2: A great

Kevin Pereira: video, by the way. He says earnestly.

Gavin Purcell: you.

Gavin Purcell: That was a very earnest and I appreciate it. Darrio Modi, the CEO of anthropic former, formerly of open AI left for that to go start, anthropic wrote a very long blog post about the positive, optimistic outcomes of what essentially an ASI, or even like a really an AGI could [00:20:00] provide.

Gavin Purcell: And the biggest things to be aware of that he kind of lays into, we talk on the show a lot about like dumb video tools or fun things to do, or like funny things. He's talking about like biological improvements. Solving Disease

Kevin Pereira: gonna say eradication of disease, um, hyper targeting cancers, even, even like getting rid of like certain mental illnesses , therapies for PTSD, discovering new proteins and material sciences.

Kevin Pereira: Is a utopian vision of things and he does acknowledge we may fall. Short of that, but even some progress along that path means extending human longevity and maybe, increasing the quality of our experience while we are on this earth as well.

Speaker 2: And In five

Gavin Purcell: In five to 10 years. It feels like it's changing pretty fast. I mean, will it go all the way down to them in some sort of like on the ground level? Maybe not in five to 10 years, but if they go to the doctor in five years and they get in, get a cure for something that would have killed them five years ago, that seems like what these people are promising.

Gavin Purcell: Again, we haven't seen the huge breakthroughs yet, but when you think about things [00:21:00] like Daria pointed out CRISPR. And you think about other things that have been pretty massive advancements in science that are in part due to these tools early on. If the amount of money that's poured into this of last two years is just going to shoot that to, is this going to hit that further?

Speaker 2: I feel

Speaker 2: like

Gavin Purcell: A couple of quickies before we move on to AI. See what you did there. We first have a new model from Nvidia dropped, actually Nvidia. It is called

Kevin Pereira: nemotron

Kevin Pereira: Nemotron? Finding Nemotron It's Llama 3. 1

Speaker 2: Nemotron Up

Gavin Purcell: We'll be finding Dory trine.

Kevin Pereira: I like Nemotron being the ultimate Disney mashup where the fish is on a light bike.

Gavin Purcell: Or maybe Nimo Tron is going to be the robot that kills us. It'll just swim through the air

Gavin Purcell: and

Speaker 2: into our

Speaker 2: it's too

Kevin Pereira: bad you own this land. I guess. I can't assimilate

Gavin Purcell: Yeah. Well, you said. Will you sign the land over to me? Nimo drawn. No Nimmo. Tron. It's my land. I leaving this. Anyway, sorry.

Gavin Purcell: Nimo Tron is a brand new open source model [00:22:00] from Nvidia at 70 billion parameters and it beats. According to testing. I've not spent a ton of time with it yet. GPT four. Oh and Claude

Speaker 2: Sonnet 3. 4.

Kevin Pereira: Yeah, benchmark.

Kevin Pereira: beats it, not vibe beats it which no, it's true, that's an important thing, like when humans use something, like, oh, the vibes are off on this one, , but benchmark, it beats it.

Kevin Pereira: And by the way, if you are literally any one of Uh, NVIDIA's massive customers, Microsoft, Google, even Meta, right? You're giving them billions of dollars for processors to train models, and they're like, Hey, by

Gavin Purcell: the

Gavin Purcell: way,

Gavin Purcell: What are you doing guys?

Kevin Pereira: We could drop

Gavin Purcell: off.

Kevin Pereira: own

Gavin Purcell: Well, this is the beauty of the open source models, right? Because when you can do something like that, I will say something that people expect. And there's a little bit of rumor going on right now is Claude. OPAs 3.5 has been waiting on for a bit. We expect that to come sometime soon, again, it is what are we at now? October 16th, we are three weeks away from an American election. I do not expect a giant thing dropping, pre that, but [00:23:00] after the election,

Speaker 2: All

Speaker 2: bets are off

Gavin Purcell: I feel like all bets are

Kevin Pereira: yeah. Will. i. am shows up as a hologram on the coffee table. You don't want him there,

Gavin Purcell: he's

Kevin Pereira: Hey. let's talk SUNO. because Oh, yeah, let's talk Suno. Suno dropped a new feature that I, I look, we, I'm a Suno fanboy. I think you are as well. Shout out to the Suno team. Mostly Mostly Mostly.

Kevin Pereira: Yeah,

Gavin Purcell: I like it, but not as much as it Oh, okay. I look, I, I gush a bit.

Kevin Pereira: All right. I'm a, I'm a music wonk. I get

Kevin Pereira: I like suno. They dropped a new feature that I was ready to shade. And, uh, yeah, . So, okay. It's called Suno scenes and it works at least on their iOS app. I don't know if they even have an Android app. I should know that, but I don't but it does work on the iOS app.

Kevin Pereira: If you fire it up, they will give you a free scene generation and you can take a photo or upload one from your photo roll, and it will generate a song with your image as the background to the song,

Kevin Pereira: and it follows the lyrics like karaoke. And I, at first saw

Kevin Pereira: this and was

Gavin Purcell: like,

Kevin Pereira: Come on guys, I get it.

Kevin Pereira: You're trying to make it a little bit more [00:24:00] personal. I have a photo, it's my background. Because once you upload it, it asks you for like, is there anything you want to describe about the scene? Like, who's in it, and what's going on, and where is it? And I was like, nah, shouldn't it be

Gavin Purcell: I shouldn't

Kevin Pereira: doing that?

Gavin Purcell: it out.

Gavin Purcell: Yeah. Cool.

Gavin Purcell: Yeah.

Kevin Pereira: I

Kevin Pereira: tried to trip it up, because I didn't know exactly how it works. I sit corrected. I took a photo this morning in front of a no parking sign with my sunglasses on and, uh, holding up a coffee cup and I told it I was a Martian on a, like, a random planet because I was going

Kevin Pereira: to see

Kevin Pereira: if it was just going

Kevin Pereira: to make

Kevin Pereira: it about Alien

Gavin Purcell: travel.

Gavin Purcell: Yeah,

Kevin Pereira: It's it used Martian as a thing like a Martian arrives and it says but they can't like park here

Kevin Pereira: And

Gavin Purcell: fine. Coffee.

Kevin Pereira: and this at the other so it is doing object slash scene detection

Kevin Pereira: and using that to inform the lyrics of Of the

Gavin Purcell: It's, what's funny because it's really not. When you think about like the back end of [00:25:00] that, we know it's not that complicated based on what's available, they're just taking a picture and then having a vision model.

Speaker 2: See it. literally look at it and go,

Kevin Pereira: Oh, there's a coffee cup. Okay. Put that in the lyrics and having AI write it. But there is something so simple and magical about being able to do

Gavin Purcell: Should we try it right

Kevin Pereira: We should absolutely try it

Gavin Purcell: Do you have your phone?

Kevin Pereira: do have my phone.

Kevin Pereira: Hold

Gavin Purcell: on. Why

Kevin Pereira: So I'm gonna hit create on the iOS app, here you can see it. Now you can do text, you can do audio obviously, but by default now it's camera.

Kevin Pereira: So what I'm gonna do is I'm gonna switch to selfie mode. We have microphones, we have this. Okay, beautiful. Now it says, You know, who's in this scene, where's it set, , what style of music do you want? Uh, Let's

Kevin Pereira: make

Kevin Pereira: like Brazilian funk, right.

Speaker 2: No,

Gavin Purcell: Brazilian funk is good, but let's do I'm grime

Speaker 2: rap,

Kevin Pereira: Grime rap, okay,

Gavin Purcell: You

Kevin Pereira: um grime rap is?

Kevin Pereira: I don't.

Gavin Purcell: It's great.

Gavin Purcell: It's British. It's really, it's

Speaker 2: like,

Speaker 2: um,

Kevin Pereira: Oi! Guv'na!

Gavin Purcell: Yeah,

Speaker 2: little bit like that, a little bit like that.

Speaker 7: Oi! She took me lift to me bottom, bruh!

Speaker 2: pretty close.

Gavin Purcell: Pretty close.

Gavin Purcell: Yeah. Yeah, pretty close. Okay. Let's see.

Gavin Purcell: Grime

Speaker 2: rapping. Uh,

Kevin Pereira: okay,

Gavin Purcell: kevin and

Speaker 2: [00:26:00] Gavin.

Speaker 2: In

Gavin Purcell: the

Gavin Purcell: style.

Speaker 2: Yeah

Gavin Purcell: And the style of ground rap.

Kevin Pereira: Alright, so I hit create. It has a beautiful photo of the two of us. It is going off into the magical cloud. Quote, our groove is on

Gavin Purcell: the

Gavin Purcell: way.

Gavin Purcell: Oh,

Kevin Pereira: Oh, groove

Gavin Purcell: Is on the way.

Speaker 2: I

Gavin Purcell: Hey, you probably can't put that

Speaker 2: in here,

Kevin Pereira: guess I, I don't think, oh no, but I don't think you're gonna trigger the content flagging right there.

Kevin Pereira: Gavin moves on way

Kevin Pereira: How fast is it? Oh almost it song is ready.

Gavin Purcell: You know, the app looks good. I've never been in the

Gavin Purcell: app.

Speaker 2: it

Gavin Purcell: our wide eyes.

Kevin Pereira: Wide eyed. We're holding the

Kevin Pereira: mic.

Kevin Pereira: We're at home. We're a dynamic duo.

Kevin Pereira: Yeah

Kevin Pereira: mean if we held different objects like the pillow or the plant, we might get more out of it.

Gavin Purcell: That's pretty cool. So basically it's a seeing a photo of you and then it will make up and we already know how good SUNO is at making songs. So it's basically getting an input from the picture, describing the picture.

Gavin Purcell: That's a

Speaker 2: really

Speaker 2: cool

Speaker 2: thing.

Speaker 2: Yeah,

Gavin Purcell: think people would

Speaker 2: if

Kevin Pereira: your friend's wearing a silly outfit, or has some fun glasses on or whatever, it's really simple to snap the photo, say, [00:27:00] Hey, we're at a Joshua Tree retreat, and then it sings about the mushrooms

Gavin Purcell: And do you get that for

Speaker 2: free?

Kevin Pereira: they give you a free one, Uh, for sure.

Kevin Pereira: I don't know if it's using the credits that I have in Suno for the subsequent generations, but you should check it out. You're at least going to get one for free. So shout out, not sponsored, but we do love Suno and, uh, I sit corrected. I enjoyed the scenes feature. I'm excited see where it goes.

Gavin Purcell: That's right. All right. Everybody it's time for us to shout out some of the favorite things we saw in AI this week. It is time for AI. I see what you did there.

Gavin Purcell: All right.

Gavin Purcell: So we have some fun ones this week. one of my favorite things I saw this week is a brand new restaurant

Speaker 2: Oh, which?

Kevin Pereira: Oh.

Kevin Pereira: Ethos

Kevin Pereira: is

Kevin Pereira: It's

Kevin Pereira: in

Kevin Pereira: Austin.

Kevin Pereira: Oh, so good. So good. Austin foodie scene. I was there uh

Gavin Purcell: They have a Madang

Speaker 2: croissant.

Speaker 2: Have

Kevin Pereira: you ever seen it? No, I've had it. [00:28:00]

Kevin Pereira: I've had it I was there.

Kevin Pereira: It's so buttery so flaky Um, but also has a little crunch

Gavin Purcell: a little bite

Gavin Purcell: and I Kevin's lying. Everybody's lying.

Gavin Purcell: This restaurant does not exist. It is AI don't trust him at all.

Speaker 2: What?

Gavin Purcell: can't trust One

Kevin Pereira: minute Hold on How could it be how could it be fake if there are tens of thousands of positive reviews photos of the food the wait staff?

Gavin Purcell: look, the chef. So this is an experiment somebody made on Instagram and basically what they did is they took their time and made a bunch of fake food pictures.

Gavin Purcell: We've seen things like this, right? On Instagram. You've probably seen things like this. There are all sorts of AI, things that are getting. Liked shared all over the place. There was that one, like crazy like pool house thing we saw. So this is somebody that basically put a brand around those things. They just basically made it look like a fancy restaurant would, but with all sorts of crazy stuff, like a mood Ang style croissant, they also had a foot shaped slice of pizza, which was very funny.

Gavin Purcell: And they've also then gone so far as to making a fake website where you can make fake reservations, which is even more fun. In fact, [00:29:00] why don't we try this? I was going to try it earlier to put in my, see what happens.

Gavin Purcell: If

Gavin Purcell: you try

Speaker 2: to

Speaker 2: pick

Speaker 2: a

Speaker 2: date,

Kevin Pereira: we'll go May 14th at four o'clock. Does that

Kevin Pereira: work you

Gavin Purcell: that's fine

Speaker 2: for me.

Speaker 2: Sure.

Kevin Pereira: Okay.

Kevin Pereira: We'll go early dinner. Number of

Kevin Pereira: guests. We'll

Gavin Purcell: Let's do four guests. Yeah, 40. Sure. Why not?

Kevin Pereira: guests. And we'll check availability

Gavin Purcell: and

Gavin Purcell: it's

Gavin Purcell: Oh, Who's this

Speaker 2: guy.

Kevin Pereira: What just happened?

Gavin Purcell: Oh!

Gavin Purcell: what was

Kevin Pereira: that?

Kevin Pereira: Oh, you can, you control it. Uh, well, okay.

Kevin Pereira: Wait a second. it is a photo of a, of a, of a man, uh.

Gavin Purcell: Being slapped by a elephant trunk? No. Oh no, it's a, it's eel. Is it an or a

Kevin Pereira: fish

Kevin Pereira: salamander, some sort of fish,

Gavin Purcell: or is it a Oh, you know what?

Gavin Purcell: It might be as a squid arm.

Speaker 2: a squid arm.

Kevin Pereira: No, there's

Gavin Purcell: like fins on it, and then now

Gavin Purcell: we have just discovered a Easter egg on the site

Speaker 2: of

Speaker 2: ethos restaurant.

Kevin Pereira: I mean, we didn't go very far

Kevin Pereira: to uncover It let's We just made a

Kevin Pereira: reservation,

Gavin Purcell: it's not like

Kevin Pereira: Guys, welcome to episode 37 of Project Ethos. We uncovered, uh, quite a big one at the head of the [00:30:00] The ethos

Gavin Purcell: Anyway, it's a very funny Instagram

Kevin Pereira: And

Gavin Purcell: Mostly.

Kevin Pereira: uh, you can tip them, buy me a coffee.

Gavin Purcell: So, which is really

Gavin Purcell: cool.

Speaker 2: Oh, is

Kevin Pereira: is What is eel? It says about eel slap high. Over 50 million people have slapped me in the face with an eel and all I got was a massive server bill. So

Kevin Pereira: if

Gavin Purcell: maybe the EAL slap guy

Gavin Purcell: is the guy

Gavin Purcell: made

Gavin Purcell: reservation, it takes you to

Kevin Pereira: Eel

Gavin Purcell: So ill slab guys, the guy that

Speaker 2: made,

Speaker 2: uh, ethos

Kevin Pereira: we don't, you'll have to tune it. Episode 47 of Tripping The Ethos when we try to unravel the mystery,

Gavin Purcell: Shout out to venture twins, who again, posted this on X and we saw it originally.

Kevin Pereira: Gavin, someone I want to shout out real

Kevin Pereira: quick I

Kevin Pereira: know if you've seen John Finger on X or on the Twittersphere if you will, but John Finger, he's a director, bit of a world builder, quite a storyteller,

Gavin Purcell: Angeles based artists. And so

Gavin Purcell: what John does is John does a lot of video to video experiments. So he's a guy who's been doing things with AI for awhile, but he'll take this video is really cool where he's basically created himself in a cyberpunk looking [00:31:00] thing, but he's just recorded himself in his garage or in his yard.

Gavin Purcell: And then what he does is he video the videos, it using

Speaker 2: runway.

Speaker 2: it's

Kevin Pereira: really cool. When a Pringles can can become, , a super sniper rifle, or, a coffee cup can become a flying saucer.

Kevin Pereira: Like, that's really cool. Unfortunately, though, his short films have been rejected by Justine Bateman.

Kevin Pereira: They are

Kevin Pereira: not

Kevin Pereira: They are

Kevin Pereira: not

Kevin Pereira: organic. It's a lot of filler.

Gavin Purcell: shout out John finger. We love your work. So keep doing what you do and share your videos. I think a lot of people are being inspired by you.

Kevin Pereira: Thanks, John finger. meta AI keeps dropping the hits. I don't know how long Zuck is going to keep this up. Like at some point he's going to pull

Gavin Purcell: it all and private.

Kevin Pereira: it all.

Gavin Purcell: He's got bajillions of dollars.

Kevin Pereira: Yeah, but he wants, he wants

Gavin Purcell: trillions of dollars,

WowMeta Is somehow making money open sourcing all of the things. Meta AI world class point tracking. This maybe is only exciting to me.

Kevin Pereira: Click the video Oh, you've seen

Gavin Purcell: it It's

Kevin Pereira: yeah. So, so why does this matter? Point tracking [00:32:00] is being able to actually track a point, a single pixel, , an area on an object, a person or whatever, and track it throughout time and space, , use cases of this, obviously special effects you can rotoscope somebody, pull them out from the background robotics, whether you're a one of Palmer Lucky's death

Gavin Purcell: drones,

Kevin Pereira: you

Gavin Purcell: a fish that swims into your room and then tries to take over your land. That's. Remember that 20 minutes ago. That

Gavin Purcell: could be

Speaker 2: one of

Speaker 2: those,

Kevin Pereira: could be

Kevin Pereira: it could be one of those. But if you're an autonomous robot, and you need to track items, and something gets in front of your face, or whatever, for fully autonomous vehicles, The point is, Meta has a new process that seems to blow away.

Kevin Pereira: Everything else. And when you look at the examples, even like there's one where they take a pillow, Gavin, and it kind of shows you like a rainbow gradient of the way it's tracking all the points. They squeeze the pillow and you watch the wrinkles of the pillow form within the tracked points. Why does that matter in [00:33:00] the world where Meta is going to have augmented reality in glasses.

Kevin Pereira: If I want to change,

Gavin Purcell: when

Gavin Purcell: I squeezed down to become a snake, you want the body to look

Speaker 2: like

Speaker 2: a

Speaker 2: snake

Gavin Purcell: and.

Kevin Pereira: You are so

Speaker 2: weird.

Gavin Purcell: Right.

Kevin Pereira: Yes. Yes. I want, when you go into armadillo mode, which Gavin does all the time, he roly polies and he will tumble after you like Sonic going for rings. You want to be able to track these things because if you're doing augmented reality on clothing or

Gavin Purcell: or, or, or driving by the way too. Right? I mean, I will say I had that crazy experience last week where I was in a Waymo for the first time. And that was crazy and it felt a little bit like, oh, I'm giving my safety up to this thing, but really safe.

Gavin Purcell: And if those get better and better, like

Gavin Purcell: maybe

Speaker 2: Elon's visions

Speaker 2: will

Speaker 2: come true.

Kevin Pereira: When it, when it pulls up, does it go a boom, boom, boom.

Kevin Pereira: Now

Kevin Pereira: everybody

Kevin Pereira: say.

Kevin Pereira: Waymo

Kevin Pereira: Waymo?

Kevin Pereira: from You

Kevin Pereira: don't

Kevin Pereira: know

Kevin Pereira: that

Kevin Pereira: song?

Kevin Pereira: that

Kevin Pereira: song. Oh, cut to clip. No, we're done with point tracking. I think it's really cool. Thank you, Meta, for doing it. There was another AI,

Kevin Pereira: see what

Gavin Purcell: The last thing I want to talk about is [00:34:00] robots wearing.

Speaker 2: is robots wearing sneakers.

Kevin Pereira: Okay, I didn't know where that

Gavin Purcell: It's going to

Gavin Purcell: land.

Gavin Purcell: Go

Gavin Purcell: ahead.

Gavin Purcell: Definitely. Safer than you would

Speaker 2: think.

Gavin Purcell: What this is, is a kind of a funky. Hmm.

Gavin Purcell: Funky video from a Chinese robotics company, which basically shows their robot running through the Gobi desert. So first of all, they're torturing the robots, making them run through the girl Gobi desert, but what was kind of cool about it is they actually ran

Gavin Purcell: faster

Gavin Purcell: wearing running shoes, running sneakers.

Gavin Purcell: And I thought was like, this is kind of a cool thing. Owned by the way, they reached a top speed of eight miles an hour running. Now watch. My

Speaker 2: My favorite

Speaker 2: thing

Speaker 2: is

Speaker 2: watching

Gavin Purcell: these

Gavin Purcell: videos.

Gavin Purcell: Can hanging out in the

Speaker 2: Goby desert,

Speaker 2: you're

Speaker 2: just

Speaker 2: there. You're

Kevin Pereira: probably tripping, cresting a hill, and then you see these robots running

Gavin Purcell: along.

Kevin Pereira: I want like the robot now to be like chugging Gatorade and then starts taking performance enhancing droid

Kevin Pereira: drugs

Kevin Pereira: Oh no.

Gavin Purcell: That's AIC, what you did there, everybody. Kevin. Yeah. What did you do with AI

Kevin Pereira: week I, I'm gonna, I'm gonna redo what I did with ai. Gavin, I'm going [00:35:00] to say something to you. And I want

Gavin Purcell: to

Kevin Pereira: just

Kevin Pereira: tell

Kevin Pereira: me first

Kevin Pereira: thing

Kevin Pereira: that

Kevin Pereira: comes

Kevin Pereira: to

Kevin Pereira: mind.

Kevin Pereira: Ready? E2 F5 T T S.

Gavin Purcell: It sounds like lost the numbers from

Gavin Purcell: last. How was that?

Gavin Purcell: Uh,

Gavin Purcell: is lot of lotto

Speaker 2: numbers?

Kevin Pereira: Oh, good.

Kevin Pereira: Also

Kevin Pereira: good. Yeah,

Kevin Pereira: no,

Kevin Pereira: but.

Kevin Pereira: Big, big zonks. Big nope. E2, F5, TTS. I can't get mad at it because it's open source and you can play with it, it's free. It is, as the internet said, 11 labs, which would mean best in class, quality, Voice cloning,

Kevin Pereira: and text to speech for free. Local too Local, meaning running on your corn puter. You do not have to pay to run it in the

Gavin Purcell: And do

Gavin Purcell: you have to have a very

Gavin Purcell: good corn pewter to do it? Or

Speaker 2: mean Or what will

Kevin Pereira: I, I mean, I This corn puter is pretty good, but it's a Mac. Which usually means it's not gonna

Kevin Pereira: run the latest thing. And it runs. So, do you

Gavin Purcell: want to check

Gavin Purcell: it out?

Gavin Purcell: Let's. Check it out. Let's try a little

Speaker 2: a little

Speaker 2: test

Speaker 2: it

Kevin Pereira: here. We're going to do it all in real time here. So I have a shout out to Pinocchio. this is E2F5, [00:36:00]

Kevin Pereira: which

Kevin Pereira: are kind of two loosely related models that do text to speech here. , and.

Kevin Pereira: I'm going to record a sample of a voice here, Gavin. , alright, so let's just do a regular example now. Yeah, here we go. Uh, this is the sound of my voice. You are not allowed to take this sample and clone it.

Kevin Pereira: I do not give you consent. I do not give you permission.

Kevin Pereira: So, uh, there's our little audio example. It's going to go back through the sample, transcribe it, then use that to create like a model

Gavin Purcell: very quickly

Gavin Purcell: and

Gavin Purcell: then

Gavin Purcell: puppet

Kevin Pereira: it

Kevin Pereira: back,

Kevin Pereira: finished transcription, generating audio. There it is. Here we go. Dear sir or madam, I'm sorry to inform you that your car's warranty expired. You need a smog check? It's

Kevin Pereira: a me,

Kevin Pereira: Murillo.

Gavin Purcell: Well,

Gavin Purcell: what's crazy about that again. It's just how fast

Speaker 2: it

Gavin Purcell: works

Speaker 2: Right.

Kevin Pereira: is it as good as the best in class blah blah? No, no, it's not. Is it running free locally quick enough? Yeah Yes it is.

Kevin Pereira: Absolutely

Kevin Pereira: it is And because it's open source, it's only a matter of time before they add improvements to this and get better quality and get more [00:37:00] control over the voice And here's the question for you about this? Which I the other model too. I'll just play this real quick. I said it. Dear sir or mad, I'm sorry to inform you that your car's warranty expired. You need a smog check? It's a me. Mario?

Kevin Pereira: That's

Kevin Pereira: the one. that

Kevin Pereira: just hair better. So my question with this is obviously it's great for open source sort of applications and things like that. But. The one thing that a company like 11 labs or companies like that do have is they built in these.

Speaker 2: guide rails

Kevin Pereira: I know I

Kevin Pereira: hate it Every time I try to clone Taylor Swift or Katy Perry or some other female pop star for some reason, don't ask. There are some times you will generate voices on Eleven Labs and it says, Nope, nope, nope, we've detected this is a president.

Kevin Pereira: And you can't do it. Not a problem here, Gavin.

Kevin Pereira: I

Gavin Purcell: And that's a good and a thing It's a

Kevin Pereira: great thing Nuclear power. Baby

Gavin Purcell: Baby.

Kevin Pereira: baby

Gavin Purcell: Listen, these tools are crazy.

Gavin Purcell: They're powerful that what's so powerful about. That is just how fast, like, imagine. This is not to give anybody ideas, but you could easily have a [00:38:00] recording going on, have a conversation with somebody

Speaker 2: have

Gavin Purcell: pocket and then suddenly have a clone of that person's voice. So again, do not trust what people tell you.

Gavin Purcell: Yes. Now I'm going to tell you why you should ask GPT all these personal questions, because it's memorizing things about you. I kept one of the things that's come up this week, which is really interesting is. All these different prompts people have said, just like ask Chad. GPT about this thing about

Speaker 2: you

Gavin Purcell: In part, you have to have chat. D plus to do this, so. Basically a while ago, chatty PT

Speaker 2: had this thing

Speaker 2: where

Speaker 2: you

Speaker 2: would see

Gavin Purcell: signs

Gavin Purcell: that

Gavin Purcell: come

Gavin Purcell: up and say memory

Speaker 2: update Yes,

Gavin Purcell: And you don't really get like a huge awareness of that when that happens, but you see it pretty often. And it's been tracking

Gavin Purcell: you

Gavin Purcell: basically, right?

Gavin Purcell: So it's been tracking you and now you can actually ask it questions about you and sometimes pretty personal ones. And this week, all week long, people were coming up questions to ask. Of the things that came up is people are asking it, you just cut and paste these right in. And everybody's everyone's so like, based on our interactions so far, what fictional characters do I share the most traits with

Gavin Purcell: I

Gavin Purcell: Kevin, I was Tony stark.

Gavin Purcell: It told me I was a [00:39:00] creative problem solver. I was inventive and tech savvy charismatic, but

Speaker 2: grounded.

Speaker 2: So that

Speaker 2: was nice.

Speaker 2: My

Speaker 2: favorite

Speaker 2: one This is,

Kevin Pereira: this is just horoscopes for

Kevin Pereira: tech dorks. it

Gavin Purcell: is, but somebody on Reddit. It was

Speaker 2: really

Speaker 2: funny.

Speaker 2: They

Speaker 2: got

Speaker 2: Shrek.

Kevin Pereira: Okay, that's funny.

Kevin Pereira: that's funny

Gavin Purcell: But, okay, so this one's a little goofy in that way.

Gavin Purcell: And by the way, on Reddit, these are all these popped up. I mentioned, I got Tony stark. A lot of people got Tony stark. A lot of people got. Okay, but there's a female one too, that a lot of people got, but people did get a variety of different things depending on who they were. Then another one that came up, it was actually really kind of meaningful and useful was. , I asked it, uh, somebody had said, given everything we've discussed so far in everything, you know about me, how do you assess my personality and character and what are my blind spots and what am I not seeing?

Gavin Purcell: And I won't go into the details about this, but like, it does know enough because when you start to use it as a Google, or you start to use it to talk about the things you do for your work or the things you want to do, goals, you have, it starts to piece it together. And it's just another example of being able to ask information.

Gavin Purcell: That's yours. You can ask [00:40:00] it something deeper and think about information in a different way than you could. If you could just Google it. Like if I were to Google that question. Well, I would get nothing out because it doesn't know me. Google has cookies set aside, but mostly to know what mattress is I bought in like 2009.

Gavin Purcell: Like they're not going to know what I'm feeling right now. So this is the positive side of tracking. Now, granted, there's a lot of security concerns, right? Because there's a lot of me in this thing. And clearly you also have to be aware that people aren't going to put everything

Gavin Purcell: of theirs in

Gavin Purcell: there.

Gavin Purcell: You

Speaker 2: shouldn't

Speaker 2: put any

Speaker 2: secrets

Gavin Purcell: of

Gavin Purcell: anything

Gavin Purcell: in here whatsoever.

Gavin Purcell: Can I

Kevin Pereira: ask

Kevin Pereira: mine

Kevin Pereira: real

Kevin Pereira: quick.

Kevin Pereira: what person do you think best exemplify

Gavin Purcell: who would

Gavin Purcell: be

Gavin Purcell: a

Kevin Pereira: modern

Kevin Pereira: day

Kevin Pereira: clone

Kevin Pereira: of

Kevin Pereira: Gavin

Kevin Pereira: Purcell?

Kevin Pereira: Epstein.

Gavin Purcell: Okay.

Gavin Purcell: Well, that's how we're going to end

Gavin Purcell: this.

Gavin Purcell: Huh?