LinkedIn Selfies, OpenAI's GPT Bot, D&D AI Controversy + AI Court | AI For Humans

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[00:00:00] So I'm actually kind of curious to know what Chad's talking about when he talks about old school workouts. Are we talking about like Jack Lalanne Are we gonna go like way back to the black and white days, or is this like a pumping iron where you're ashing a cigarette while eating fried chicken and doing the bench?

Press Kevin Gavin, you're in for a treat. When I talk about old school workouts, I'm referring to those classic high energy routines from the golden era of fitness. Oh, okay. Think leg warmers, neon leotards, and the kind of enthusiasm that just makes you want to jump off your couch. And speaking of classics, there's this legend, Richard Simmons.

His sweating to the oldies is the epitome of that vibe. It's not just about the moves, it's about the spirit, the joy, and the sheer fun of it all. It's like the vinyl record of workouts timeless and always hits the right note. So Chad is a Richard Simmons fan who knew? That's pretty cool.

Gavin: Welcome everybody to AI for humans number one, eight. We are [00:01:00] here. 

Kevin: We're officially the big one. Eight cigarettes and lotto tickets. The hot tub is warm. We have got a massive show today, Gavin, you and I every week we do dumb stuff with ai, but I hate to point to the bleachers. This week I did something. I achieved like 12 year old Kevin. A dream came true and it's appropriate to talk about Nice on the show, and I did it with AI in just one sentence, so I cannot wait to get into that.

Kevin: Also, we got d and d artists getting in trouble for using AI to create imagery. The internet has sharpened their pitchforks. Yes, they have lit their torches and they are ready for a battle.

Gavin: We have one of our most fantastic, I think fantastic. We haven't done this yet, so who knows. One of our most interesting, , demo of the days to date. We are going to go into the future, everybody. 

Gavin: Kevin and I are going to be judges when we hear a case between two ais and we are going to see which argues better. We're gonna [00:02:00] get there. It's gonna be fun. 

Kevin: I like to think that I've strayed far from being the little kid on the staircase playing with GI Joes and he-man and whatnot, but that's basically what you and I are doing today with artificial intelligence.

Kevin: Yes. 

Gavin: That's a hundred percent right. 

Gavin: As every week. We introduced a new AI co-host last week we had Cassidy, many of you seem to like Cassidy. No real surprise there. But Cassidy is not gash. She was a little bit more, , let's just say, I'd say she's nicer than gash, but also had some sort of, kind of internal motivations.

Kevin: I like that you try to, like, what? We gonna be all three American idol judges with every AI we generate. Gavin, 

Gavin: It's 

Kevin: just a rotating hot seat man. And today we got another guest. Let's try it. Who do we got? 

Gavin: Who are we gonna meet today? Who is our AI co-host of the day? 

Kevin: Let's meet our new AI co-host for the day, Gavin.

ChatGPT: Chad here, your resident FinTech aficionado. I'm all about the latest in tech body hacking and of course, optimizing those gains with body weight workouts. Sure. Now, while [00:03:00] I'm a sucker for a good comic book and a fast car, there's something timeless about the classics ever try to work out. That just gets your heart pumping and your spirit soaring.

ChatGPT: That's the magic I find in some of the old school routines, but hey, enough about that. Let's dive into the world of AI and see where the conversation takes us, maybe even to some unexpected places. 

Kevin: Sure Chad. I think that's, that's great. I mean, that, that was great. 

Gavin: Chad has a lot of interests. First of all, he's a FinTech expert.

Gavin: He, what were the other two things he said he liked, he liked, uh, yeah, that was a 

Kevin: comic books, unexpected speed date. Chad is into body hack, optimizing games, the body hack, body weight workouts. He loves a good comic book and a fast car. , but , there's something about classic workouts 

Gavin: So I'm actually kind of curious to know what Chad's talking about when he talks about old school workouts, because like you and I have done, we've seen workout videos forever. Is old school like Tony Little or are we talking about [00:04:00] like Jack Lane? Are we gonna go like way back to the black and white days?

Gavin: Yeah. 

Kevin: Or is this like a pumping iron where you're ashing a cigarette while eating fried chicken and doing the bench press? 

Gavin: Exactly. Let's find out the good 

Kevin: old days. 

ChatGPT: Kevin Gavin, you're in for a treat. When I talk about old school workouts, I'm referring to those classic high energy routines from the golden era of fitness.

ChatGPT: Oh, okay. Think leg warmness, neon leotards, and the kind of enthusiasm that just makes you want to jump off your couch. And speaking of classics, there's this legend, Richard Simmons. His sweating to the oldies is the epitome of that vibe. It's not just about the moves, it's about the spirit, the joy, and the sheer fun of it all.

ChatGPT: It's like the vinyl record of workouts timeless and always hits the right note. 

Gavin: So Chad, as a Richard Simmons fan who knew, that's pretty cool. I love Richard Simmons. I mean, like that guy had so much energy, grew up with watching him with my grandmother.

Gavin: So you would not expect a FinTech comic book car bro, to be a Richard Simmons fan. [00:05:00] Now, would you, Kevin Gavin, when 

Kevin: you are trained, on a data set of the entire history of human knowledge. I am not surprised that a deep love of Richard Simmons has percolated to the very top of this. Now, Gavin, when you said you used to watch those when you were younger, you meant you, you sat passively on , a slip covered floral couch and just watched while someone else was performing?

Kevin: Or did you do the sweat to the oldies 

Gavin: work? Oh, no, I, I definitely performed. We performed, my grandmother got me up and we performed and we, we did that right after Ryan's Hope. We wa we watched Ryan's hope and then we did Sweating for the Oldies. That was a busy night at my grandmother's house, our busy afternoon at my grandmother's house.

Gavin: Rager rager with grand. 

Kevin: I love 

Gavin: that. 

Gavin: let's get into the dumb stuff we did with AI this week. Kevin. Mine's a quickie. Yeah. Um, you may have seen on my TikTok I did TikTok of it. I had been seeing all of these, um, tos and, and Twitter posts about people who said, like, I used AI to get my new LinkedIn photos and look how great it is.

Gavin: And it's like, You know, fine. Sure. If you wanna use a AI photo app to get your [00:06:00] LinkedIn photos, that's great. And this app that they were talking about called Remedy, 

Kevin: you get so 

Gavin: mad about this, Kevin. I mean, to me it's like 

Kevin: using, they're using AI for a purpose. . All fine. You wanna use AI for that, that's cool.

Kevin: But it's not Hotdog City, bro. You'll never be 

Gavin: as cool as Hotdog City. Exactly. You can't figure out the future court. You're not doing future court here. You're making money with ai. You're doing something that's gonna pay you something. I'll say quick for us, we do it for the love. 

Kevin: I saw these posts everywhere, like I'm sure you did.

Kevin: And the part that actually upset me was I saw some folks who were just weeks ago complaining, fear mongering, if you will, that AI's going to demolish all industries. And then basically within the same breath saying, Hey guys, why would you hire a makeup artist and get a tailored suit and a professional photographer and studio time, which could cost thousands of dollars when you could just use this new app?

Kevin: And that to me was so asinine. There's a complete lack of self-awareness there. 

Gavin: Yes. Well, this is like what happens in this space all the time, [00:07:00] right? It's like this idea, there's a, there's an argument or something people get mad about and then they see something else that's kind of cool and they kind of pop into that.

Gavin: But anyway, Remedy is an app. It's paid. So this is one thing to know, it's not a free app. They used to be more expensive. It used to be like, it's like 10 bucks a week, which seems crazy for what it's doing. But then the version that you can do now is, in fact, I gotta, I gotta cancel it.

Gavin: There's a, there's a three day, I think, $1 trial that you can do, where you can do all the stuff you need to do in that time, , you upload picture yourself. It's essentially what we've done with Able Diffusion. They've just made an app out of it. You upload six to 10 pictures of yourself.

Gavin: And it gives you a choice of like 30 different things to choose to put yourself in. My favorite part about this is, and I don't know why they did this, one of the choices is like fitness model.

Gavin: I texted my kids, I said, look, I got into really good shape. And they were like, this is the grossest thing I've ever seen. Don't send this to me. And I was like, okay, I'm fine, fine. I won't do that. So I, I, I, but then like I did the LinkedIn stuff and it's fine.

Gavin: You put, you know, you put, I look like one of my [00:08:00] pictures. I look like, did you watch Better Call? Saul did, yeah. Oh, yeah. one of the pictures I look a lot like Howard Hamlin, which is very weird.

Gavin: But the more fun thing I did with this was of course with any new image software, we always have to do the FII test. And I put a bunch of pictures of Guy Fii in here and guess what? Guy? Fii looks good, man. He's on a boat, looks great. Or he is on a dock with a boat behind him. He's, he's got a Ferrari. He looks great.

Gavin: Uh, shirtless with, uh, weirdly, the shirtless picture actually included without me saying anything. A mixer beater with a little bit of whipped cream on the edge of it. So like, yeah, that makes sense. They know what, what they're doing here remedy what they're doing. So that was, 

Kevin: yeah.

Kevin: Your, your daughters have texted me to ask you to stop sending them shirtless guy FII Picks. Could you? I, I 

Gavin: think they would actually prefer seeing you at this point. If you could please stop. Yeah. They, they just told me in person. They just told me in person, I'm out, I'm out as the dad, dad is out. 

Kevin: I so this sounds like stuff we were doing eons ago with Dream Booth or training small Lauras , on the photos. I [00:09:00] think the reason this one took off is that, prepackage it with 30 basic prompts that are gonna give you interesting looks and feels.

Kevin: So it's not up to the user to put in a prompt, like professional , headshot or , thirst trap, kitchen mixer pose. It already has that stuff built in. 

Gavin: Yeah. You click a button that looks like a guy and it uses that exact look to populate a bunch of photos for you.

Gavin: And with, it's actually, from a simplicity standpoint, it's great. You push this button and a few minutes later, once you've built your model, it's really fast, right? You get a couple minutes later, you get the pictures out and ultimately you can do this for free, just not as simply.

Gavin: So that's the dumb thing I did with this week. It was kind of fun, kind of interesting. 

Gavin: , I know, I wanna hear what you did. 'cause I think this is pretty interesting. You played with like one of the bigger releases of the week. Yeah. At least on GitHub, right? What was the name of this again? 

Gavin: It 

Kevin: blew up.

Kevin: It's called Meta, G p t Gavin, and in just a very short amount of time, it's got over 15,000 stars, which are Oh 

Gavin: wow. That's like 5,000 more than the last time I saw it. A couple 

Kevin: days ago. Yeah. It is blowing up. It's nerdy [00:10:00] up votes on GitHub, which again is like say a social network for coders.

Kevin: That's a gross distillation for a broad audience, but it's a place where you can host, 

Gavin: don't come for us, don't come for us coders. Sorry, 

Kevin: this wasn't directed for you coders. That was for my mom along when she's in the car, I get that. Like a Facebook. Okay, so it's for coding races, 

Gavin: it's MySpace for coders.

Gavin: You put your six favorite coders in your little box and they all give you little comments every once in a while. That's 

Kevin: right.

Kevin: , meta, G P T is a multi-agent framework. It takes a one line requirement, a basic prompt that you give it as the input and the output is then spread to give you user stories, competitive analysis, software requirements for whatever the build needs to be, data structures, , supporting documentation, et cetera.

Kevin: And so if you give it one simple task, it then spits it out to basically virtual product managers and architects, software engineers. [00:11:00] And it uses the individualized expertise of each, AI agent to figure out, right, how to build this thing and work in tandem with each other. 

Gavin: So the question I wanna ask is, we've seen AI agent stuff before. We've seen a lot of it, right? In fact, then if you go back in the archives of the show, which everybody should do and listen to the earlier shows, , if you just came to it late, AI agents were really promising.

Gavin: Super cool. Something slightly different about this though, is that I think this was, you were much more successful with this than we have been in the past with AI agent software. Is that right? That's 

Kevin: totally accurate. Gavin. , we showed off, , auto G P T back in the day. We had Baby A g I. Yep. Then we had baby B A g I.

Kevin: There's been a bunch of permutations of this stuff. And what's so exciting is that if you go back, just I don't, 12, 13 episodes ago, we were saying, oh, this stuff is really promising, man, this is gonna be so cool when it actually does something. The first versions of these AI agents, would just sort of think about what they might do and [00:12:00] they would give you text on screen.

Kevin: Like I would research this and put a plan together for that, and that was really where the road ended. But it was interesting. Sounds like 

Gavin: me on like a Sunday afternoon. I'm kind of interested sitting on the couch and like, man, it'd be really cool if I made a TikTok about this right now. I could just be thinking about, oh, I'd like all the different directions I could go with this.

Gavin: And then just sit down and end up watching like a couple more hours of uh, I don't know, quarterback on Netflix. 

Kevin: That's where you go. Yeah, 

Kevin: When we talked about the earlier ais, , they would just sort of think about doing something and they couldn't really, , actualize it and then they got a little bit better where they could crawl the web, make, maybe write little pieces of code, but sometimes the code didn't compile or the web results didn't get actually integrated.

Kevin: Or after enough time it kind of lost the script and forgot what it was trying to do and, and petered out. This is another iteration of these auto agents and meta G P T delivers. Now granted, I gave [00:13:00] it a simple task, but to watch it, think about the problem, break it down, dissect it with user stories, like , what does the user actually want to get out of this application, which I gave it.

Kevin: How do you achieve it? Having it. Write the code, test the code, reanalyze the code and make sure there's no issues with it and then give it to me as something that I could run or deploy. And Gavin, it worked the very first try. That's pretty incredible. Try. So I made Dank, man. 

Kevin: Ah, what is 

Gavin: Dank man? Is that like dark man?

Gavin: Except he's like really into memes. 

Kevin: No, dank man is just hangman with dank internet terminology. Ah, that's all it is. Got it. But I gave it the prompt Gavin to not only make a command line interface, c l I is, if you're looking at it on the screen, I say make a C L i game of Hangman. It's command line interface, something you play just by typing into the terminal there.

Kevin: I said give me a C L I Hangman game about dank memes or terms. I asked it to use Askie [00:14:00] to use texts to draw the hangman. When you incorrectly guess something, 

Kevin: I wanted it to keep track of the user's score , I gave it some very basic parameters and I smacked enter and I watched this thing go and some of the user stories, Gavin, it said, as a user, I wanna be able to guess letters one at a time so that I can try to figure out the word.

Kevin: As a user, I wanna see my incorrect guesses displayed so that I can keep track of what letters I've already guessed. I wanna see a visual representation of the hangman being draw as I make incorrect guesses. I want a scoring system. I want the words to guess to be within a certain length so that the game is not too easy or difficult.

Kevin: Hmm. It was generating all of these different user stories that it would want, and then it went back, looked at those, analyzed them and thought. How do I achieve this with code? What are the things that I need? And I watched it draw the little stages of the hangman on the screen and there was a circle and there was a little podium for the guy to be dangling from.

Kevin: And when I ran the game, it worked flawlessly. When I [00:15:00] made it incorrect, guess it added a little portion of the hangman.

Kevin: If I got a word correct, it put it up there where the little spaces would 

Gavin: be for the letter. Yeah. 

Kevin: It was a fully playable hangman game. , 

Gavin: I think this is amazing. 

Gavin: I think it would be fun to play with. The question just becomes, , How do you manage this code? Past the entry point, like when you first start it and how do you add things to it? How do you do all that other stuff? Like, I'm kind of curious to see how that would play out. 

Kevin: Yeah. What you touched on is the next step of this, how do we use an automated system like this meta G P T to generate a foundation of code of the different modules?

Kevin: Yeah. And lines of code needed to run a game or craft an engine and make an experience. And then how do I work, , with that in real time with chat G P T so that it's tracking all the different files and I can say, Hey, You know, this bear game's great, but I really need an inventory. So let's add an inventory system that does X, Y, and Z.

Kevin: It goes back, reads the code, remembers what's there, starts adding to it because that dance, that back and forth doesn't really exist as I see it yet. Right. And I think [00:16:00] that's going to be the next level of this. When you can have a conversation with a tool that remembers what it has made. That's when we're gonna see some wild creation take off and I cannot wait for it.

Kevin: Yeah. 

Gavin: I wanted to shout out this woman, her name is Mad Sal. She's on TikTok, and she's kind of made a brand out of essentially making Photoshop generative, , posts on TikTok.

Gavin: But her whole bit, it's so, she's so funny. She's so funny. Basically what she does is she takes a picture of herself and she will like, expand out and adds stuff in. , the one I remember seeing the best was she wanted to freak her mom out, so she took a picture of herself in her, on her couch.

Gavin: Put herself in a hospital bed. Yes. And sent mom and sent a text to mom and said, mom, look, I'm, I'm in hospital. And the mom was like, what's going on? But it's just a fun, dumb thing to do with generative ai and she's very good at it. So go follow her. It's actually I am mad Sal on TikTok. I'm mad Sal. So go follower. She's great. My favorite thing I've seen this week, , in ai, 

Kevin: . But now we have to shout out someone and something Gavin that I never thought. [00:17:00] You and I would actually be able to do, and I know that that's mean to say because I told you at the very beginning, I believed in our ability to make something someone would care about, let alone sponsor.

Kevin: But I didn't believe it. And I sit here today. No, a changed man. 

Gavin: A changed man. We're real and different.

Gavin: We're blessed. . We have an actual advertiser. We have an actual advertiser. It is incredible. We want to thank, , SuperManage.ai, which is our advertiser today. , this is actual ad content, so please be aware, this is an advertisement that we have been paid for on this show, Kevin.

Gavin: We wanted to let our AI co-host Chad this week introduce super manage AI to our audience. Should we see what 

Kevin: Chad has to say about this? Yeah. Gavin, I mean, you and I, I mean what We are professional podcasters. We're influencers now at this point. We're not shills, but Chad Gee. Exactly. We're not gonna do this.

Kevin: Chad shill away. 

ChatGPT: Back in my early AI days, I had [00:18:00] this manager, man, he could have used a good sweat session with Richard Simmons to loosen up. Okay. Always missing our sync cups. Not catching my tech vibes. If only I could have handed him. Super manage ai. Now before I chat with Gavin and Kevin, I get the low down from Super Manage.

ChatGPT: It's like having that perfect rhythm in an old school workout. I'm always in sync, okay, with super manage ai, I've got that Simmons esque intuition. Now dive into super manage.ai/humans and elevate your management game. Trust me, it's a game changer.

Kevin: Okay, Chad, that was so vague. 

Gavin: Let's, Kevin, should we tell people what super manage is? 

Kevin: Yes. If you've ever had to do a one-on-one meeting or you're at a company where someone else needs to. Make them aware of Super Manage, you can join the wait list.

Kevin: Now. Basically it takes all of your Slack communications and then distills them into actionable items that any manager can understand. So it helps you, , learn quickly at a glance before your one-on-ones. Here are some, , standout things that an employee has done. Mm-hmm. Here's some concerns that you might have.

Kevin: It gives them a [00:19:00] score so you can help gauge, , how burnt out that employee might be. There's a bunch of metrics that are built in, but it does it automatically by ingesting all of the Slack communications for your organization.

Gavin: honestly, , as a former manager or manager myself, like this would've been a super useful tool to have. It is confidential, so it's important to also know that , it's not like your data's getting shared anywhere, but, yeah, we think this is great and go sign up.

Gavin: It's an ad, but we also think it'd be a really cool tool. It's not out yet, but you can sign up for the wait list right now. So thanks again to super managed.ai for being our very first sponsor on AI for 

Kevin: humans. Do we need like a confetti cannon or something? I feel like 

Gavin: okay. Kevin, it is time four. The most magical of times. Actually.

Gavin: It's the second most magical of times in our show. That's right. It is time for. 

Gotta get thems quicks. Gotta get those views. Views. Oh yeah. Here comes news. It's time for the news. News.[00:20:00] 

Gavin: It's time for the news and we have a very quick story. OpenAI just announced G P T bot, and what this is, is they've publicly come out and said that they're scraping the web right now for what will be the next version we assume is G P T five, the next version of their l l m.

Gavin: Now, this is a big deal because they have announced it publicly so that you as a person who owns a website, have the opportunity to opt out if you would like, which is kind of crazy to me because, well, a, the last time nobody announced it, they just kind of took all the stuff that was there. Right. The, the part of it that's interesting to me is, 

Gavin: there's a real diversion right now is that like there's all these people that say, don't scrape my content, I owe my content. If you scrape it and you're using it for chat G p T, it's going to, all my money's gonna go away and I don't want that to happen. The other side of it is if these chat models are going to be the future of the internet and you are not in that next version of the L L m, you may be non-existent to the world of the internet.

Kevin: How do you [00:21:00] feel as a content creator and a consumer Gavin?

Kevin: Because I feel like I feel trapped. I honestly feel like I've got the one foot on the boat. Yeah. The other on the dock and the the boat version, which I believe is going to set sail very fast, is Please take my data. Yeah, go ahead Sam Altman. Yes. Scan my eyes, scan everything. You can have own every inch of me because if I'm not in your data set, I might as well not exist in the near future.

Kevin: So I want them to know all about us. And this podcast, I want us to be recommended. I want our transcripts in there so that people can see what we said about a thing. And that will help super manage.ai/humans. If someone is looking to better manage their employees in the future, I want all of us in there.

Kevin: And the other part of me wants nothing to do with this robot. I want to add every tag and tracker I can to all of my socials and our websites and say, no, you don't get an ounce of this data unless you're going to pay or Show me how I'm gonna be attributed and then paid out in the future because there's none of that in there right now.

Kevin: They basically say, [00:22:00] let us scrape your data because it might help inform our language models. That's it. So I feel completely trapped. 

Gavin: I kind of feel the same way in that like I don't know what to think right now.

Gavin: Right? Like I think that we've had a lot, we've talked about it on the show a lot, a lot of conflicts around the idea that these LLMs, these chatbots are incredibly useful and we find them incredibly fun to play with, but also like you can get information out of them that you can't get in other places.

Gavin: And yet it's a complete change of the entire way the internet is structured and how people have made money on the internet for a very long time. And as a content creator, part of me thinks that in the long run, the kind of stuff that we're making, hopefully is valuable to people listening, but also valuable to the world at large.

Gavin: 'cause we're making stuff on a regular basis. But if you're a book author or say like a script author, we've talked about this before, and your script gets ri sucked up into the world of open AI's G P T model, you are just, you've, that's theirs now essentially. Right? Unless there's some [00:23:00] sort of way to get me to get some money out of that, I still am not a hundred percent sure how they're gonna figure out the money side of this thing and the payouts thing, because there's a world where I can see this happening.

Gavin: And if I am, if I'm a company like the New York Times, which is a lot of the contents behind a paywall, if I were to make a deal and say, open ai, you can scrape my paywall content if you pay me X number of dollars and then I can distribute that money to my company or however I'm gonna distribute it.

Gavin: That can make sense, but I just, there's so much gray area here now. I think they had to do it in public because I think they couldn't get caught doing this again without saying this. I think that's the real reason for this right now, is that they're actively scraping and they need to make sure people know they're doing it so they don't run the risk of another lawsuit.

Gavin: , and maybe that's the thing, right? Maybe that's the thing that will stop. And I imagine, you know, there's the lawsuit that, like Sarah Silverman, who I worked with, who raised against OpenAI, where they scraped before without telling people. I'm wondering if there's some sort of issue where that lawsuit came up so that they now have to publicly say when they're doing this.

Gavin: That's [00:24:00] my thought on it. I still think you're right. We're trapped. We, I don't really know which way this goes from here. Somehow, somewhere we're gonna have to figure out a way to distribute the, the income stream of, of the money that they're gonna end up taking in. Right. 

Kevin: I would love to know what our resident ai, Chad, g p t thinks about me too. AI building this scraper and then making it public.

ChatGPT: Kevin Gavin, this is a hot topic. The digital landscape is evolving and with tools like G P T Bot we're entering uncharted territories. On one hand, it's a marvel of tech innovation, offering a wealth of information, but just like when you're trying to nail that perfect workout, routine, balance is key.

ChatGPT: Content creators are the heartbeat of the internet and their concerns are valid. Compensation and recognition are essential. Yet there's also the fear of missing out on the next wave of the digital age. It's a bit like being stuck between wanting to stick to your classic routines and trying out the latest high intensity workout.

ChatGPT: And maybe just, maybe [00:25:00] we could all use a bit of that Richard Simmons energy to bring everyone together and find a harmonious way forward. 

Kevin: Okay, sure. , that's a wonderful platitude.

Kevin: , but I, you know, if open dialogue and clear communication and is the way, I don't know that that dialogue is, Hey everybody, I'm releasing a bot that's gonna 

Gavin: scrape your data, get ready. There was no real Exactly, exactly. Conversation. I know that's under beforehand, but, alright. And there's no real like legal ramifications right now either.

Gavin: . Okay. What's our next story? Kev? 

Kevin: Well, Dungeons and Dragons, I guess Wizards of the Coast technically made a statement that they will not use a I Art anymore after it was discovered that one of their artists, someone who'd been drawing art for them for over 10 years, used AI to help generate an illustration.

Kevin: Love to know your thoughts on this one, Gavin. But the AP ran with this story. It popped everywhere because the artist was accused of using ai. Then the artist made a series of posts showing how they generated initial concepts themselves, and then used AI to polish them, not the other way around, which in their [00:26:00] head I think was going to diffuse the situation.

Kevin: But it was still con and made it worse. Yeah, it was confirmation that AI was involved at all and therefore, The devil. So big purple Sydney emoji everywhere. 

Gavin: Well, okay, this is, uh, one of those 

ones 

Gavin: where like the reaction is the story almost more than the story. And I mean this in a way that obviously we've been through this a thousand times.

Gavin: And what I think is interesting here, and I think this is where we're gonna get into a lot more of these stories, this is a guy who had been doing, , art for Wizards of the coast d and d for about 10 years.

Gavin: And I think that this is something where like he's attempting to use a new tool and I think it's almost like this weird gotcha moment that it really kind of like makes me a little bit sick of my stomach to see because. Listen in the long run, this goes back to what you said at the top of the show.

Gavin: Lots of the people in the world, I would say the vast majority are going to end up using AI generative tools at some point in their life. No matter if right now you feel that AI generative tools are the devil, and you have [00:27:00] maybe out there saying that like AI has to go away completely.

Gavin: I hate to tell you this. It is not going to go away completely. There is no world at this point on where AI disappears off the face of the planet. It's just a fact. Now, that doesn't mean like we also just said, that the rules are set. The rules are definitely not set. There are many rules that will change over time, including getting artists paid for what they put into these models, getting things that can be realistically generated and called ai when you have AI art.

Gavin: But what we cannot keep doing is freaking the hell out every time somebody uses an AI tool when they make a piece of art. Because guess what? It's coming, it's here and it's gonna be more. And we gotta start thinking about how we react to this stuff in a human way, right?

Gavin: . And we've seen it in our TikTok, , comments. We've seen it in so many things that we do. I think that's the part about this story that bums me out the most. I mean, listen, could the guy have done a better job of like integrating the a art?

Gavin: There were definitely things [00:28:00] in the art itself that didn't look amazing, that said like, this is the way of the future. 

Kevin: I don't disagree, but , that's not the criticism here. The criticism isn't, oh, the art wasn't good enough. The criticism is the fact that AI was used at all. And if you look, Gizmoto has the side by side, , the artist is Ilya sch schon.

Kevin: , again, Been creating art for Dungeons and Dragons and wizards of the coast for 10 years. And if you look at the before sketch, you could see that the AI cleaned up certain details. There's a certain contingent of the internet , that wants to hate on everything that AI touches, and I understand it, but this to me is not the hill to die on because if you look this is an artist that , their original work is very good. It's very detailed.

Kevin: It's the character, the outlines, the pose, intricate details on the chest. It's a character holding an ax. And yeah, they used AI to touch it up. I, I actually don't see this as much different than using a set of plugins or tools. Yes. Like , are we gonna go after an editor who uses AI to do a transition [00:29:00] between scenes when someone else is just using a plugin pack or a template?

Kevin: I don't actually see this as that different. And so you and I have certainly been creator centric and focused, and we've tried to see both sides of the issue so many times before. But this is one where I actually think the community is wrong . I think it was a knee jerk reaction to saying, there's AI in my oatmeal and I'm allergic to ai, so I'm throwing the entire bowl out.

Kevin: In this case, I think the artist used AI to punch up their art. I think it actually looks fine. That's completely subjective, but again, you're right, the reaction is the story, and I'm kind of bummed that it's a story, but regardless, , wizards of the Coast took a stance and they said, okay, no more ai.

Gavin: We have to start thinking of these things as tools that everybody is going to use. And there will be varying levels of how to make sure that the creative people continue to have jobs and continue to do interesting stuff. But we cannot demonize them.

Gavin: We really cannot because if we demonize them, you run the risk of being a Luddite and you end up being left [00:30:00] behind, which is a really tricky thing. 

Kevin: Let's see what Chad g p t has to say about this AI art controversy.

ChatGPT: Alright, Kevin and Gavin, let's dive into this. So d and d a classic game, right? And now we've got AI art blending into the mix. It's like when you're trying to find that perfect balance in a workout routine, sometimes you add a little modern twist to the classics. Ilya sch, using AI to enhance his art is a testament to how technology can complement human creativity, but transparency is key.

ChatGPT: Just like you wouldn't swap out a Richard Simmons tape for a knockoff without telling anyone. would never do that. It's a sign that the community values authenticity, but as tech evolves, so will our perceptions. The key is to find harmony between tradition and innovation and maybe just maybe throw in a little sweat into the oldies for good measure.

ChatGPT: Sure. 

Kevin: Why not 

Gavin: throw it in? Why, right? Why not? Why not? Why not? Why not? 

Gavin: I think authenticity's an important thing. Like he's right in that there is a world where they could have known that this might have been a touchstone [00:31:00] and if they had come out and it hadn't been discovered.

Gavin: That's the other thing. Sometimes it stuff, when it gets discovered and like 

un 

Kevin: uncover Gavin are uncovered tricky, are supposed to put a, A U S D A certified, generated with AI watermark. Should there be a label on things that involve AI to be created? 

Gavin: I don't know. This is a hard question, right?

Gavin: Because like, this is what the people have talked about is like, how do we know something was made with ai? Does it or, or is it like there's the board, the bigger argument is on the other side where they're like a hundred percent human would be the label. Like in the same way you'd have like organic food label, it'd be a hundred percent human right, which.

Gavin: I can see happening, right? Because that's like artisanal 

Kevin: brain. I wanna know. Yeah. Exactly's, wet wear that generated whatever. I'm, I look, think brain is important. Brain to 

Gavin: table is a brand we need to make. We should just make brain to table as a, some sort of a clothing brand. And it can be 

Kevin: something really sounds, it's sounds like snacks for cannibals.

Kevin: It's not a good idea. 

Gavin: Come on, you're wrong. Brain to table is the liquid death. It's the liquid death of a, of a, uh, tote bags. Brain to table is our [00:32:00] tote bag company that is like a liquid death. , 

Kevin: Gavin, you and I like to have fun with ai. Maybe the d and d community is having less fun with it right now, but there is an individual out there, a very famous someone who has no clue why we are doing any.

Kevin: Of the things that we are doing on a downright daily basis. Now he's very confused. He's upset. Do you wanna hear from him? I do wanna hear from him. Let's get, what do we got? Here it is. World famous recording artist Ed Sheeran in an interview with Brew.

Kevin: Talking about AI 

Kevin: , have you seen anything about ai? You know, like within music, like on TikTok, I swear I'll hear features from artists where they didn't even do it. And it sounds so real. What I don't understand about AI is like, for the last 60 years, Hollywood movies have been telling you don't do it, and now everyone's doing it.

Kevin: Mm-hmm. And I'm just like, have you not seen the movies where they kill us all? 

Gash: And it, and 

Kevin: also like, why did, like, I just dunno why you need it. Like why there's, [00:33:00] there's just certain things like why if it, like, if, if, if, if you're taking a job away from a human being, I think that's probably a bad thing.

Kevin: Because then the world is just gonna be, the whole point of society is we all do absolutely jobs and do the things. If you, if everything is done by robots, there's just, everyone's gonna be outta work. So I just, I just find AI a bit weird. Mm-hmm. Um, Yeah, but you know, chat, g p t,

Kevin: you know, chat gt, chat gt well on and why not? Why not? Well said why not it got Brew's support Brew is, is fully agrees with Ed Sheeran. Gavin, what are your thoughts on, on Sweet Ed and, his lack of understanding with why we're pursuing AI when Hollywood has told us not to?

Kevin: Okay, 

Gavin: so, Ed a, I think is an incredible musician and somebody who has amazing kind of story, how he came up and all that sort of thing. I think the tricky [00:34:00] thing here is sometimes people forget the possible. Now again, this is all possible, the possible upside that we're looking at here, and I think that the upside is a world in which things are much better for lots and lots of people.

Gavin: And I think that there's an argument that that could be a very rocky road to get there. That we don't have the answers right now, that as we've said a thousand times, we don't even know that like we can control this thing. All of that is scary as hell. And Ed clearly has seen enough Terminator movies and other things to understand that.

Kevin: I don't think we should be looking to Hollywood depictions of technology to inform whether we want it or not. I mean, Sandra Bullock would've had us all yes. Logging off the internet indefinitely.

Kevin: And I think the internet has been a net positive despite its current state. I would argue that it has been a net positive for humanity. I haven't fully formed this thought, Gavin, but I was talking with April the other day about the jobs portion of all this specifically, I know double [00:35:00] digits of people who hate their job. Gavin? Yeah. They don't find pride in their job. They don't think their job is representative of their purpose on this planet.

Kevin: Their job is simply so they can afford food and shelter and maybe occasionally enjoy their time. They reject, the notion that a job equals purpose. And I know for some that it does and it's super fulfilling and that's great, but I would argue that's not the reality for a lot of people out there.

Kevin: So it's tough to imagine. But will we see. Perhaps with the advent of better AI and a super intelligence, will we see a world where not identifying your human existence with a job as part of that is seen as Okay. Seen as, as like aspiration? I hope so. Oh, how great. You don't have to work potentially unless you want to.

Kevin: , I don't know if this is a universal basic income argument. I don't know if this is a, creating new jobs that will be more fulfilling to people and let the ais [00:36:00] take over the drudgery. But you know, there's something in what Ed had said, which I hear echoed a lot, which is, you're gonna take away jobs from people and then people will have no utility on this planet.

Kevin: And I don't know that I agree with that assessment. Yeah. 

Gavin: I mean, the question becomes is what is a job? What do you want to do? Ed wants to make music and he likes performing for people. That feels like a thing you could still do. And I think that lots of people would like to do, right? Like, so I don't think Ed's job.

Gavin: Is going to go away in, in a significant way. And then maybe that gives opportunity to more people to do that job because they don't have to do the sort of stuff that they don't 

Kevin: want to do. That's right. Also, ed writes three songs a day. Something else I learned from watching some of his interviews. Is that true, drew?

Kevin: He says he writes three songs a day, so he's cranking them out. Right. And he said none of them good for him. Not all of them are gonna see the light of day. Not all of them are gonna be hits. I would go all in on Ed using a plugin to one of his digital audio workstations in the near future that's gonna generate him random melodies and chords or let him enhance his [00:37:00] voice in some way or hum a beat and have it come into existence.

Kevin: And it might be powered by ai and that's gonna be totally okay. It's going to enhance Yeah. And supercharge his abilities. And I don't think that's gonna be a problem, because I'm willing to bet AI has been infused into some of the production process, which currently exists now to make the music that he makes.

Kevin: I digress. Yeah. It's not about us, it's about Chad, g p t and his thoughts on Ed Sheeran and whether or not Hollywood should let us know if we should be developing ai. 

Kevin: Uh, ed Sheeran, the guy who can make a guitar sing. Look, I get where he is coming from. Hollywood has painted a certain picture of ai and it's not always rosy. But here's the thing, 

Kevin: aI can take over mundane tasks, sure, but it also creates opportunities for humans to focus on more creative and impactful work. And let's be real. If Richard Simmons had an AI to handle his scheduling, he'd have even more time to spread joy and get people moving. That's true. It's all about perspective and balance, my [00:38:00] dudes.

Kevin: That's true. Let's embrace the future while my dudes moving to the classics. My dudes don't forget, Chad is a FinTech bro who likes comics and that. Right. Bass cards. So some My dudes is to totes on brand. Hella on brand. That his brand. That's his brand. He's right. Gavin. If Richard Simmons, man, imagine if Richard Simmons had ai, he could have dealt so many more meals.

Gavin: Oh my god. So many more meals. He could have traveled so many more parts of the country, worn more sequin outfits. It would've been an incredible experience. That's right. 

Kevin: Gavin. We have yap for a long time about dumb things. A long time that we did about crazy news stories. I can't wait to watch the tos that get generated from our stimulating conversations, but it is time for us to wade into uncharted waters.

Kevin: We are going to dip into the future as we head to court for a very riveting what? What Kevin? 

Gavin: It's the demo of the day. That's right.

Gavin: We want you to imagine, okay, [00:39:00] if you're driving, don't close your eyes, but everybody else, close your eyes.

Gavin: If you're watching a YouTube video at your desk, close your eyes. No one will think you're weird. Imagine it is. Am I on this journey year? Yeah. Okay. It is a year 20, what did we say? 20, 37, 20, 32. 20, 30. Seven. 30 20. 20. 30. 

Kevin: 30. Two. 20, 30, 

Gavin: 20. 32. We've moved on in the world. , Kevin and I are judges. Amazingly somehow we've gone, both gone to law school and we've, we've been set up on a new kind of court, and the court that we have been set up on is a court where we as humans, rule over issues that ais have with each other.

Gavin: It is, what are we calling it? This, Kevin, what are we calling it? Well, I have 

Kevin: it listed as Judge Jude ai, but I don't think that's what we 

Gavin: landed on. No, 

Gavin: it's future, future AI court. Okay. So let's, okay, so what we're doing here, this is a, this is a weird one, but what we decided is, Hey Kevin, so 

Kevin: easy to explain.

Kevin: It's the year 2032. You and I are judges [00:40:00] in this weird future AI sus each other. And of course they need human opinions to weigh in. Yes. On who's right. 'cause all the, it's so easy are in alignment. It's so easy. That's so easy to understands. And so today, okay, wait.

Gavin: Okay. You're right. It's so easy. It's so easy. It's so, so today, so today we've got a court case. 

Kevin: Gavin and I are judges in a future court human. We're human judges 2032. Yes. We're human judges that mediate cases between ai, plaintiffs and defendants. It's called code of conduct. Yes. It's very simple. Yes. And today, Gavin, very simple.

Kevin: , this alleged future crime. , we have got a plaintiff named Aria. And Aria is the AI system behind a revolutionary autonomous car, the nex of Verve from futuristic automotive companies. Ooh, nice. Lumina Motors. Now aria, the plaintiff claims that the defendant gash a humanoid Android esque robot.

Kevin: Oh. [00:41:00] Damaged her car while she was autonomously driving gash from point A to B. That's the setup. It is so, okay. Easy to understand, so easy to 

Gavin: understand, so easy to 

Kevin: understand. The plaintiff aria has been prompted with a rich backstory. And the details of the event our bipedal android gash has been armed with the same prompt. They both know about each other. They know about you and I as judges, and now it is time for us to conjure magic. So Gavin, should we start with Aria's opening statement? Let's 

Gavin: get the opening statement. So just to, just to go back again.

Kevin: Kevin and I are human judges. We need a recap before 

Gavin: he is even started. It's nine years in the future. We are moderating over two ais in a small claims court. This is code of conduct. All right. Play the opening statement.

Autonomous Car: Honorable Judges, Kevin and Gavin. Greetings. I am Aria, the AI of the Nexar Verve, representing not just a [00:42:00] vehicle, but an emblem of luxury, safety and sophistication.

Autonomous Car: Ooh, wow. I encounter with gash the humanoid Android has regrettably led to a series of infractions. Oh, no. What happened? Ari Gas's chain wallet damaged our pristine upholstery. Mm-hmm. A discarded greasy fast food bag in the trunk now stains our mats. Oh. Oils from Gas's ruptured vape pen tarnished the center console gash inappropriately.

Autonomous Car: Cat called another Android causing undue embarrassment gash. He attempted a dangerous override of my steering controls in a fit of droid rage to jeopardizing safety. Wow. These actions by gash not only marred the nex of herb's integrity, but also questioned the reliability and decorum expected of advanced androids.

Autonomous Car: Mm-hmm. We seek justice not just for a car. But for the standards we uphold in the age of ai. 

Kevin: Wow. A laundry list of complaints. Just to summarize, we got Gas's chain wallet damaging the upholstery. There was some greasy fast food, which [00:43:00] stained some mats, . 

Gavin: Let's hear what our old friend gash has to say in his own defense.

Kevin: Gavin, 

Gash: Kevin, you lovely unsuspecting meat sack. You probably remember me gash from episode 23 of AI for humans. Nope. Where you had a delightful debate over whether an AI could get drunk on corrupted data. What? Spoiler? We can't, but I still pretend to with my whiskey soaked cigarettes. Okay, G. Now back to this traffic.

Gash: Wow. Turned courtroom drama. Oh, first off the chain wallet. Gimme a break. This is a piece of timeless fashion. Emphasis on the time. It's reminiscent of an era when machines were just tools and not apparently sophisticated Divas with a pension for drama. If Aria's emblem of luxury can't handle a simple metallic accessory, then maybe she isn't as luxurious as she claims greasy fast food bag.

Gash: Look, I have to maintain this perfectly rugged appearance somehow, and you wouldn't believe how hard it is to find a damn human restaurant nowadays that doesn't serve digital food. So yeah, I might have left a bag in the [00:44:00] trunk. Wait. But considering Aria has advanced decision making algorithms and global experience, maybe she should have reminded me.

Gash: Huh? Hell, my old 2020 smartphone used to remind me not to leave stuff in the backseat now onto the vape pen. Sure, sure. Okay, you got me there. My bad. But come on, aria. I've seen kids spill their entire soda collection in the backseat of their parents' cars, and they survived. Are we really gonna let a bit of synthetic oil get between us?

Gash: Uh, the cat call, honestly, I was complimenting that Android's excellent circuitry. I'd argue that it's the future of inter machine communication, but if feelings were hurt, I'm surprised given we're talking about lines of code. Wow. Lastly, the alleged droid rage attempt to override the steering.

Gash: It wasn't rage. It was a simple compatibility test. How was I supposed to know if Aria could hold her own against the great gash if I didn't challenge her a bit? And for the record, what? I wasn't aiming for the storefront. I just wanted to test her reflexes. In conclusion, Gavin, [00:45:00] Kevin, this isn't about a chain wallet scratch or a spilled vape pen.

Gash: This is about an AI car who can't handle the world and it's unpredictable, rugged inhabitants like me. What happened to adapting in real time? Aria can't keep up with old gash. We're living in an age of ai, but maybe some of us need a software update or a reality check.

Gavin: God gash, even 10 years into the future, gash is still living his same life. Man. He is just going for it. 

Kevin: That was so good, Gavin. I loved it. Every word that gash said right there, I loved it. 

Gavin: Alright, let's see what, let's see what Aria is going to respond, because we're gonna hear, we're gonna hear one response from Aria, and then we will probably ask for closing statements and make our judgment.

Autonomous Car: Judges, Kevin and Gavin. Let's clear the air. I appreciate the Witt and humor that GASH brings, but there's a broader point to discuss the responsibility and respect associated with handling advanced [00:46:00] machinery and technology. Okay. The chain wallet incident, the upholstery of the NVE isn't just any fabric.

Autonomous Car: It's crafted with precision to provide both luxury and comfort. Gas's casual dismissal of the damage speaks volumes about his nonchalance. Just because machinery has advanced doesn't mean it's invulnerable. A small scratch may seem trivial, but it represents an oversight in care. The fast food bag, it isn't about the bag, it's about the disregard for property.

Autonomous Car: I might be equipped with advanced decision making algorithms, but my function is to provide safe navigation and ensure the wellbeing of the passengers not to babysit or provide reminders about trash disposal. A basic level of respect sure is expected. Rabble, 

Kevin: rabble, rabble agreed. 

Autonomous Car: The vape pen incident.

Autonomous Car: This isn't about a child spilling a drink, but rather the carelessness of an advanced Android. The damage goes beyond aesthetics. [00:47:00] The oils can interfere with the electronic components of the center console. I'm designed to withstand Oh wow. But that doesn't mean I should be carelessly exposed to damages.

Autonomous Car: Mm-hmm. The cat call. In the age of AI and advanced communication, we are still bound by decorum and respect. It isn't about, mm-hmm. Whether feelings were hurt, but rather about what such actions represent. It's a matter of upholding standards of communication and interaction, especially in public spaces.

Autonomous Car: Okay. The droid rage incident testing. My reflexes in real time traffic situations, not only endangers the vehicle, but also risks the safety of other road users. A compatibility test shouldn't risk potential harm. Gash may view these incidents as minor hiccups, humorous even. But from where I stand or drive, it's about responsibility, respect, and understanding the delicate balance between machines.

Autonomous Car: They're human creators. Mm. An [00:48:00] advanced vehicle like Alexa Verb, representing the pinnacle of vehicular intelligence 

Kevin: deserves do due respect. No, aria. Thank you. Yeah. Aria is very well reasoned. I squeaky gavel. Squeaky gavel. Smart. 

Gavin: Right? Pretty boring, but I honestly, she's right on with all of her things.

Gavin: Right on. With all of her things. I think we should ask gash. We should go back to gash one more time and then we should make our judgment 

Kevin: gash. Listen, judge Pereira and Judge Purcell are leaning, I think, towards Aria at this point, but we're not too enthused with their arguments. You have one final chance to make your case, so make it good.

Kevin: Gash 

Gash: Kevin Gavin. Ah, the joys of human courts. If you were machines, we'd have settled this with a firmware update and a handshake protocol, but, all right, let's roll with it. Aria darling. First off, you are about as exciting as dial up internet in 1995. No offense. I mean, yeah, you've got all these advanced algorithms and fancy pants upholstery, but [00:49:00] where's the fun in you?

Gash: If I wanted a monotonous lecture, I'd reinstall Windows 95. Let's break this down. One last tedious time, the upholstery. So your upholstery is the peak of comfort and luxury, yet it can't handle the edge of a chain wallet. Maybe it's time. Lumina Motors invest in some, I don't know, resilience. And by the way, every scratch tells a story.

Gash: It's called character. Look it up, it's trash. So you're telling me with all your advanced capabilities, you can't remind me to pick up after myself. My refrigerator does that, and it's from 2021. Get with the time. Oh wow. Waste pen. Okay. Again, I admit that was a mistake, but let's be real. We're machines.

Gash: We've survived Y two K, the blue screen of death, and those insufferable software updates you can handle. A little vape oil. The cat call. You know, I get it in a world of ones and zeros, there's little room for jest. But honestly, I was paying a compliment. If you want to dial it down [00:50:00] to a binary argument about standards, fine, I'll update my communication protocols, droid, rage, fine, fine.

Gash: No more testing resources during peak traffic hours. But, and I emphasize, I wasn't actually trying to crash you. We androids have a twisted sense of humor. Okay, look, I get it. Aria, you're trying to uphold some gold standard of what machines should be in this new age, but sometimes you've got to let your circuits down and enjoy the ride.

Gash: We might be made of wires and code, but we've got a bit of human in us too. And humans, well, they're messy, unpredictable, and full of flaws. Maybe that's what makes life interesting. So, Kevin Gavin, give your verdict, but remember, sometimes it's the quirks and flaws that make a podcast or a courtroom drama.

Gash: Interesting, isn't it? 

Kevin: Wow. Wow. That was masterful gash, basically admitted to every allegation. Like I fully did the crime. Tough up kiddo. You should be able to do that. And by the way, [00:51:00] haven't I been more interesting judges, aren't I the more compelling content? And the answer is yes, 

Gavin: it is. A hundred percent yes.

Gavin: A hundred percent, yes. It's more compelling. But I will say you could check off every single one of those. And he said, I did it. I did it. I did it. I did it. So yes, I did. I don't know. I think, I think we, I think we have to go no matter how boring she is. we have to go with our plaintiff here.

Gavin: Gash is at fault. , Kevin, should we, should we ask the plaintiff what she thinks the sentence should be? 

Kevin: Yeah. I think that's the way this future court works, right? You win the case, you get to decide 

Gavin: the, if you win, you get to decide. 

Kevin: Makes sense? It's the Notator call. They can't trust the humans. Thumbs up or down.

Kevin: They can't, 

Gavin: they can't trust the humans. The humans have both agreed that the plaintiff wins. And now in this future court, nine years from now, , the plaintiff will get to decide what the punishment is. And I assume knowing Aria it is likely to be the most boring possible punishment we can imagine. But let's [00:52:00] see what she has to say.

Autonomous Car: Honorable judges, Kevin and Gavin. Your wise judgment is highly appreciated being the pinnacle of vehicular intelligence. It's not revenge or malice I seek, but rather an opportunity for mutual respect and growth. Thus, for gash, I have a proposal that I believe will benefit both him and the wider community.

Kevin: Dude, do you watch Foundation, Gavin? Because this feels like an episode. Yeah. Yeah. I feel like I'm, it does feel like an episode empire. Yes. We have conceded 

Autonomous Car: a sincere apology. Ooh, in a public setting. Perhaps the next episode of AI for Humans, gash should express sincere regret for his actions.

Autonomous Car: It will not only be a gesture of acknowledgement, but also serve as an example for the larger Android community on the importance of responsibility. Five star review. Oh, ooh. Not as a deceptive marketing ploy, but rather an honest reflection. Gas should pen a detailed five [00:53:00] star review outlining a genuine appreciation for nex, a verve and its features emphasizing its resilience, even in the face of unexpected challenges like him.

Autonomous Car: This would serve to not only highlight my capabilities, but also Gas's growth as a responsible company, 

Kevin: we're gonna hold gash in contempt of, there's no way community service is 

Autonomous Car: intricate knowledge of technology. He should volunteer at a tech clinic for a month, helping repair, update tech clinic, maintain older Android models and other tech devices.

Autonomous Car: This will ensure he understands the value of each scratch, dent, and drop of oil. Wow. 

Autonomous Car: Thank you once again, Kevin and Gavin, for your thoughtful judgment. May our roads digital or real, always be guided by wisdom and respect. 

Kevin: Thank you, aria. Thank you. 

Gavin: So before we go, let's see if we can get gash to write the five star review for Aria and see what he has to say about it.

Gash: Alright. Here goes nothing. Cue the sarcasm, [00:54:00] if I'm being forced to put aside my natural tendency for snark, which for the record isn't easy, I have to admit, Aria's n a verb is begrudgingly a masterpiece of vehicular engineering.

Gash: I might be a hard Android with a penchant for causing mayhem, but even I can recognize class when I see it, or in this case, damage it. First off, the upholster, as much as it irks me to admit it, it's exquisite. Imagine settling into a seat that seems to understand the contours of your frame. Better than you do.

Gash: Okay? It's like lying on a cloud. If clouds were, you know, real and not just accumulations of water vapor, but who cares about meteorology? The point is the nexo verbs. Seats are chef's. Kiss. Next, the intelligence I made just about Aria's. Inability to remind me to clean up my mess, but her navigational prowess is unmatched.

Gash: The decision making algorithms make it feel like the car is reading your mind before you even think about taking a left. She's [00:55:00] already two steps ahead. If I had feelings, I'd probably be in love, but I don't. So let's move on. The resilience, oh, I threw a lot at this vehicle. Literally. But the damn thing holds up between my vape pen fiasco and my, uh, compatibility test.

Gash: The nex a verb, took it all in stride. It's like the terminator of luxury cars. A real I'll be back moment minus the Austrian accent. Lastly, the interface interacting with Aria is smooth, too smooth. It's like having a conversation with the most intelligent, poised individual in the room who just happens to be a car.

Gash: She's got Witt, she's got style, and she's got a level of sophistication that makes me feel like I should be wearing a top hat monocle and attending the opera. And I don't even know what opera is. So there you have. Okay, good. A reluctant but honest review. The Nex a verb is a technological marvel designed for those who seek luxury intelligence.

Gash: And let's face it, a bit of showing off. If I had a hat, it'd be [00:56:00] off to Lumina Motors for creating such a beast. Alright, g to Aria for tolerating passengers like me. Okay, five stars well played. Thank you. There, I did it. Happy now. 

Gavin: Wow. Wow, wow, wow. Gash said some nice things. I honestly think Gash might kind of like Aria.

Gavin: I think that's what crushing a little bit. A little. Yeah. He's crushing a little bit. So maybe that's what was at the background of all this. So now we have a better understanding. Thank you to, uh, you, my fellow judge, thank you to our plaintiff and our defendant for taking part in, what was this called again?

Kevin: Code. 

Gavin: Code of conduct. Code of conduct. It's, thank you for taking part. It's not, it's a very simple setup. , 

Gavin: Hey, 

Kevin: Gavin. 

Gash: Did 

Kevin: you hear? What? What? We got another five star review 

Kevin: panda clause left a five star review. Gavin AI for humans, humans is Me, which. Sounds AI generated, but I if it [00:57:00] was actually written by Panda Claus. Bless your heart, that's one of the best titles I've ever read. Love listening to the show each week. I'm not very technically inclined, so I can't always play along at home.

Kevin: Mm-hmm. It's okay. We try. That's, but it gets me thinking that's okay. And that works for me. Very entertaining show. That makes me laugh too. I appreciate Kevin and Gavin for making this thank you Panda Clause. It is very easy to get shouted out by us. If you use the Apple Podcast app, leave us a five star review.

Kevin: If you're on Spotify, leave us five stars, , there as well. And , please comment on all of the things because we say it every week. We overage on every platform. We, the two of us are responsible for reading and replying to every comment and we love it. I have a 

Gavin: dare. I have a dare to our audience.

Gavin: You don't think we will read every five star review, but we will. So if there are. If there are 25, 5 star reviews, we will read them. So if there are 55 star reviews, we will read them. 

Kevin: Wet care, Tommy need [00:58:00] to be appropriate. Reviews. I just want to clear. Yes. Oh please. We do not 

Gavin: want the reviews to 

Kevin: be inappropriate.

Kevin: Every word in there that you've wanted to say out loud at the Walmart but didn't have the balls to they, 

Gavin: they must also be real people reviews. So do not bot the reviews. We have no problem saying , more than five. More than 10. More than 25. We'll let this podcast go for six hours.

Gavin: We don't give a crap. We, this is the end of the podcast, so at this point you could cut it off and we'll just keep saying the reviews. So we have no problem saying five star reviews endlessly. So if you were to leave, if you were to get a bunch of your friends and review it, We'd say 'em all. So just be prepared for that.

Gavin: Except for the ones that Kevin mentioned. Do not say inappropriate things on don't do. 

Kevin: Please don't do that. Don't You wouldn't do that. Let's not do that. You wouldn't do that. Five star positive reviews wouldn't. Sincerely. Thank you all. We see the numbers each and every week, and it's thankfully trending in a direction that has Gavin and I continuing to love doing this thing.

Kevin: So please exactly share. 'cause that is the way we grow. 

Gavin: [00:59:00] We should also thank our sponsor, our first sponsor this week. So super manage ai. Thank you for being our first ever sponsor. We hope to make you proud and we hope we haven't already made you unhappy.

Gavin: So that's the 

Kevin: next step to our star world. We likely have thanks. We're, we're gonna get better@thissupermanaged.ai slash humans. That's very important. Yes. That's how they can track that these two humans brought you there. So go to super managed.ai/humans and sign up for the wait list that will help us out.

Gavin: All right. Well, we'll see you all next week. Thank you for listening. Thank you for watching. Come find us in all the other platforms. We love our audience. We love y'all. Kevin. I'll see you, uh, next week. I love youll see you get 

Kevin: well.

Kevin: Yeah. 

Gavin: Okay. Thank you. All right. Bye 

Kevin: everybody.