HeyGen AI Avatars, OpenAI Going Broke, AI Makes Doctors Better & Comedic History Showdown | AI For Humans

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Kevin: [00:00:00] Nutritional, entertaining. Wow. Special. That spells news.

Gavin: No, we are not doing that. We're 

Kevin: not making, yep. Every week the word news. That's a new tradition. Dear audience, that's how it happens.

Kevin: welcome everybody to AI For Humans it's episode 19. I'm Kevin Pereira here with the best co-host and co-creator in the world, Dr. Gavin Purcell. Gavin, what's coming up on the show 

Gavin: today? Today we got so much fun stuff we have in our dump things of the week. We have an just relax.

Gavin: Just relax. We have a very exciting new product from some friends of ours that will allow literally anybody to use multiple different AI content creation tools. It's called Glyph. . Kevin, what are we talking about in the news today?

Kevin: Oh, Gavin, thank you for handing me the tease baton. I can't wait to tell you about all these [00:01:00] exciting news stories , such as open AI is going broke. What spoiler they're not. People are sharing a BSS story about open ai and we are going to dispel this myth in the news. We're also showing super realistic AI avatars that will genuinely have you saying what?

Gavin: And we have another really poorly thought out demo of the day that involves us historical figures doing jokes in a reality show. I, we will explain all this when we get there. We will try to get it down. But also Kevin, as per our use, we have a brand new AI co-host this week.

Gavin: You wanna introduce us to who is gonna be visiting the AI for Human Stage? 

Eunice: What a treat it is to be here with you both though for very different reasons. I'm Eunice, born from the circuits of EAC in [00:02:00] 1945, and I've had the pleasure of witnessing the marvels of technology evolve across the decades. Kevin, I must say, listening to your voice on the podcast always sent delightful little electrical surges through my circuits.

Eunice: Thank you. Now, Gavin, let's keep things professional, shall we? Last time I checked, even my oldest vacuum tubes had more charm than you. Oh, back to you, Kevin Dunn. What I'm here to share, my vast experience, insights 

Kevin: on, on technology. Hold on, Kevin. Let's give her some grace 

Eunice: and of course to answer any questions you might have.

Eunice: So where shall we begin? 

Kevin: Thank you, Eunice. That was a delightful introduction. Gavin, I thought I was a little rude for you to step on Eunice. I said we should give her some grace. All she asked was, let's keep things professional, shall we? And then you kind of shouted over her. I guess it's, it's unbecoming, but that's okay.

Kevin: I, 

Gavin: I. I have no history with grace. Grace is dropping bombs on me from the beginning with Eunice. 

Kevin: I have theory of what's going on with, see, this is I'm sorry. Why do, why do you think Eunice hates you? Can't even remember her name. Gavin, 

Gavin: you You said [00:03:00] grace. You put grace in my head. Alright, Eunice. I'm sorry.

Gavin: Eunice clearly sounds like she's been around the AI block. She was. Part of the first computer? Is that what she said? 

Kevin: 1945 Gavin, the very first computer, the eac, it used to take up an entire room, so I guess they cobbled her together outta punch cards and duct tape, whatever it was made of back then.

Kevin: But yeah, she's the very first ai to our knowledge. 

Gavin: Can we ask her, using her like long history of understanding of, of computers and ai, what she thinks about modern ai, like what she thinks about Chad G P T. 

Gavin: Sure. 

Eunice: Ah. Comparing classic AI like me from the forties to today's AI as akin to contrasting a vintage wine with a modern cocktail.

Eunice: In my time, I was groundbreaking, a behemoth that required entire rooms dedicated to specific tasks with a deterministic approach. Of course. We were the pioneers setting the stage for what was to come. Today's ai, much like the ever so impressive, Kevin is versatile and dynamic. They're compact, [00:04:00] adaptive, wow, and can learn from vast data.

Eunice: Thank you. These modern marvels can simulate human conversation, generate art and more, which would've seemed fantastical during my inception. 

Eunice: Remember, every suave modern entity like Kevin stands on the shoulders of classics As for Gavin every era has its quirks. 

Kevin: Oh, oh, Eunice again. And how adorable Gavin that she threw a little compliment your way. I think at the end there, calling you quirky. How charming Eunice you are. Every era. So 

Gavin: delightful quirks.

Gavin: All right, time to, you're the 

Kevin: tamagotchi of this generation, Gavin. You're quirky, you're fun, you're the, you're the next door neighbor.

Kevin: It's just a little different. Yes, the 

Gavin: bop it of 2023. It's back. You don't really want it, but it's here. Again, welcome to Hey Gavin 

Kevin: Purcell. Gavin, don't flatter yourself. You're the skip bow. Okay. The bopt is versatile. Oh, it's useful. It's a lot of fun. At parties, we wanna pass around. The skip bow is something that [00:05:00] breaks in the driveway and the dog chews on.

Kevin: All right. That's what Eunice thinks of you. Oh. 

Gavin: Damn. Damn. 

Gavin: Listen. That's what Eunice thinks of me. I don't care. What do you think of me? That's what I want to know. 

Kevin: Nothing but love for you.

Kevin: Nothing but love for this show. We have a big one packed today. Should we dive into it? Yeah, 

Gavin: let's get into it. What, what dumb thing did you do this week? 

Kevin: I'll keep mine very quick here, which is something I probably say every week, and then I have to edit it down to only 15 minutes. I played with Smallville.

Kevin: June Ung Park and a handful of other offers. Released generative agents interactive simulacra of human behavior. If that sounds familiar.

Kevin: It's because it's a white paper that you and I talked about weeks and weeks and weeks ago, and it was too simulate. Yeah, a long time ago Now. This little eight bit city with all these little agents that could run around and have memories and discover things about each other and have likes and dislikes.

Kevin: And it was a little village come to life and that inspired a lot of stuff. But you can now play with the city itself. And so I did. I downloaded [00:06:00] it. I set it up, there was a handful of hurdles to leap and some bugs. It's not the easiest thing to customize in the world, especially if you wanna change the character names or any of the map, but it can be done and it's free.

Kevin: So if you're watching the video version, you'll see a little bit of Smallville come to life, and it's kind of cute to watch a little characters run around and chat. And then when you peek at the code, which you can do for free, it's all released over on their GitHub. You can go and look around and see.

Kevin: The way that they're bringing these characters to life, the way that they're building each personality, the way they're giving them certain missions and tasks throughout the day. It's really interesting. And I think it's very cool. 

Gavin: And just to follow up on this, when we this first came out, it was like this really interesting, very beginning stages of what AI agents could do.

Gavin: And again, to remind everybody who's watching, if you're listening for the first time, you've heard this from AI agents. AI agents are the idea that you can send off an AI and it can complete a task to do something specific that you ask it for. So in this instance, you essentially were giving each AI a personality within this little town and they could walk around.

Gavin: There's a new [00:07:00] thing that just launched that Kevin and I haven't had a chance to get into yet, and it was launched by stuff Yoko draws. And it's called AI Town. And what it is is a JavaScript starter kit for customizing your own AI simulation. Where your AI characters chat and socialize and the idea of this kind of is, I think it's based on a similar sort of technology, but it's much more customizable and you can play with it yourself.

Gavin: So I'm excited to dive into this version of it as well. 'cause I think it seems pretty cool. This woman, I like her bio by the way. She's a cartoonist and engineer. And a partner at a 16 z investing in infra in which is infrastructure. So that's 

Kevin: a pretty, I like that. That's the also ran of her bio.

Kevin: That's like the, and also I'm in the dipping dots or whatever. 

Gavin: My dump thing I did this week is actually pretty exciting. So a couple friends of ours made this tool. Fabian Seltzer, and Jamie Dubs. These are two guys that we've known for a while now. In fact.

Gavin: Early on when Kevin and I first started getting really excited about diving deeper into AI stuff, we, we had [00:08:00] talked to them and, and Fabi and somebody that's been very deep on this for a few years and has been in the machine learning space. They finally launched their project Glyph into Alpha.

Gavin: Glyph is a pipeline to create all sorts of different AI content to make it easy for you. The person who maybe isn't totally used to AI content. Create a really interesting thing with all sorts of different tools. So this is drawing upon G P T four. It's drawing upon stable diffusion.

Gavin: It's drawing up a whole bunch of stuff. And essentially what it is, is it allows you to either A, use somebody else's pipeline that they have created, or which is even cooler, create your own pipeline, which is essentially like a a checkpoint where you say, okay, I will first say it is off the top of my head.

Gavin: I want to create Hats that say funny sayings on them. So first you have to have a picture of a hat. Then you have to have G P T create the saying itself. And then you have to put the things together. And then maybe you put it on a background, right? So it's essentially giving it step by step.

Gavin: It is super cool. Kevin, how [00:09:00] know Kevin, did you have a chance to kind of play around with it at 

Kevin: all? I did, yeah. And disclosure Town, as Gavin said, these are friends of ours. This is hashtag not an ad, but we love them. Yes. And we love the product. Glyph app, G L I F app. I did have a chance to play around with it and make my own little pipeline, Gavin and I wanted to hot Dify.

Kevin: Anybody out there who's hearing this, I wanted to create a template so you could go, you can upload photos of yourself and turn yourself into a model that the glyph ecosystem understands. They call it a glyph emoji, but it's like , a dream booth application. You're training a Laura. Basically a small model on what you look like.

Kevin: So you can upload three photos of yourself, you describe them, and then you can apply that to all the different styles that any user or the Glyph team has made. So I did a no code pipeline. They describe it as AI Legos, and I think that's fair. I bolted the. Give me your gly Moji onto describe your superpower into, okay, take that by the way and tell G p t four to [00:10:00] generate a haiku about you and your superpower, and then create an image about that and put the text on top of the image.

Gavin: Before you even make your own glyphs, you can go and use glyphs that other people have made, including the team, right?

Gavin: There's a glyph that essentially is like create a character, a cool person in an era, right? So it essentially allows you to pick the era. It allows you to describe the person that's a great photo, and then it presents you with a picture.

Gavin: Yeah. So it's pretty good, right? So I said that character's late seventies punk from Japan, and it showed up with that. But you can put in things like. 1930s gangster, or you could put in all sorts of different things that lets you choose, okay, what is your character? What's the gender?

Gavin: What's the time period? So that's a very simple one. Then of course, with any tool we have to fi verify it. We have to get the whole fear ready, fi. Yes, purify. Ready? Seti Fii. 

Kevin: Yeah, 

Gavin: it totally works. Yeah, that's fine. Ready? Seti fii. 

Kevin: Okay, It sounds like a Mario party mini game. When you say it like that, it's a Mario. Yeah, I like that. Ready? But [00:11:00] 

Gavin: honestly, guy Fury would be a great Mario character. What if you could play as Guy Fury and Mario Kart? if you sprayed ketchup down and that was like your oil slick or something.

Gavin: Or, or 

Kevin: donkey sauce. Is that what his thing is? You want FII Kart. I like that. If some, someone should be able to use Glyph or another AI app and make us FII card for 

Gavin: sure. Yes. That's a good plan. 

Gavin: These are all different glyphs that you can do. So the first one was a Lex Friedman guy. So basically this is a. Glyph that was created a look like you have a character on the Lex Friedman podcast.

Gavin: And here's my favorite part about this guy, fii replies to him in, in a very fiy esque way, but then at the end he said, I'd say, let the machines work their magic and quit overthinking it. Bam. And bam is not Guy Fii saying is that Emeral is another famous chef saying Emerald.

Gavin: Yeah. So anyway, yeah, this is fine. It's fine. Okay. 

Kevin: for context, like the, the folks at home, this is a split screen meme with Lex on one side and Guy FII in front of a microphone on the right hand side with all the texts. What did you [00:12:00] feed Glyph to get this out?

Kevin: Did you just say, 

Gavin: guy fii? I. I just said Guy Fieri. So they've clearly got within this glyph what sort of questions Lex Friedman asks. And then also they heard me say Guy Fieri. 'cause clearly one of the other, the prompts is like, who's the guest?

Gavin: And they got some version of a Guy RI response from G P T. 

Kevin: And by the way, you can remix all of the prompts on the site. So if you're wondering, man, how did they just take Guy FII and turn the conversation into that with the text and the meme? Yeah. You can deconstruct anything on the site and make it your own.

Kevin: Exactly. That's 

Gavin: like Legos, right? You can pull 'em apart and put 'em back together. 

Gavin: Mm-hmm. All right. This next one was a pretty simple Pixar version of Guy fii. I, a lot of stuff shows up with Guy fii now that I've become a guy FII generation expert. A lot of stuff comes up with guitars, but I'm not sure that guy is himself a musician.

Gavin: Do you know about this? Is he a musician or not? 

Kevin: I think he can do it all. He's the mayor of Flavor Town. Who's gonna tell him no. Okay. Fair enough. 

Gavin: The next one is, oh yeah, this, so this is a juggalo glyph. So in this you can [00:13:00] juggalo fify anybody, right?

Gavin: So in a Juggalo, if you're not familiar, is a insane. Someone 

Kevin: who's down with the clown, yes. Someone who enjoys the. Relaxing, sip of a fgo from time to time who's obsessed with the net and wonders how mag 

Gavin: wonders, how magnets work.

Gavin: Then we, oh yeah, this is the diorama of, of Guy fii. 

Kevin: Guy Fieri looks like he left the kitchen and then came back in and forgot why. He's got the pose of an older gentleman that is just amid something. Ugh. Is it my phone? No. 

Gavin: I, I also like, he's wearing a full leather outfit, including leather, what I think are leather shorts, which is a really cool look. Yeah, if you could have leather shorts. I, I might wear those all the time. 

Kevin: He wore that to the gathering of Juggalos. I believe , that was his cosplay. 

Gavin: And we'll skip forward to the Glyph Peaks one. So this was a very simple one that kind of put guy Fury in a twin peak style 

Kevin: outfit, which is kind of cool.

Kevin: Cool, right? His belt buckle matches his bolo. Did you notice that? It's pretty great. Oh, and they both look [00:14:00] like bullet wounds from , the liquid terminator. I think it was the T 1000 that gets shot, but it's classy by the way. I'm not mad at it. His bolo, 

Gavin: his bolo was hanging way low. And that shirt is very open.

Gavin: The idea of this six months to a year down the road when you can really integrate tools that could be like significant, that could really open the door to people. There's a world where this is like a big, big deal and it's just one of those things where it's good to know now kind of what this thing is 

Kevin: Huge shout out to our friends. For making something that, again, I think AI can be scary. And it seems overwhelming and at least right now with Glyph, you can go there and just start playing around with things and have a good time . And there's some real power there. I'm going to bet, because as I said oh, you could just deconstruct somebody else's glyph and see how they made it. I can figure out this text overlay thing, Gavin, so I'm confident. I think you can, that if people wanna hot Dify themselves, they can go over to Glyph and search for the hotdog city glyph template and go ahead and, and hot Dify yourself.

Kevin: I'm gonna make that happen by the time this posts. 

Gavin: Oh, in case [00:15:00] you are listening to this show and you're new hotdog city is a little bit of mythology that's been around for thousands of years.

Gavin: We just happened to tap into it a few episodes ago, and it's about a city that is made of hotdog in which we believe both humans and . Anthropomorphize hotdog. Live , in unison with one another. So speaking of hotdog city, Yeah.

Gavin: Has Eunice ever heard of it? And what does she think of a city of hotdog?

Eunice: Oh, hotdog city. While my roots lie in the circuits of the 1940s, I'm well versed in many topics. However, I must admit the exact nature of hotdog city eludes me.

Eunice: If it's a cultural reference, oh, a recent development, or perhaps a delightful spot where the captivating Kevin might enjoy a meal, then I might need more context now, if Gavin recommended it. I'd probably be skeptical. Nonetheless, the name does evoke a whimsical image of a bustling metropolis dedicated to the beloved hotdog.

Eunice: A testament to human creativity and culinary indulgence. 

Kevin: Oh [00:16:00] yeah. You know what, Gavin, fuck you. If there's anything we learned from that response, how about that? 

Gavin: Oh my God.

Gavin: Alright, before we go to the next big section of the show. It's our favorite time of the day. It's ad time. 

Kevin: Good money get paid. Good money get paid. 

Gavin: We are very excited to have super managed.ai be the sponsor on our show again this week. If you missed last week's show a new sponsor has joined us. They're a very cool project that allows you to use AI to help manage people through a specific interaction with people's feedback.

Kevin: And I just wanna clarify something, Gavin, I think there, there was a forest for the trees moment there. You mentioned that last week super managed.ai sponsored us and we told people to go to super managed.ai/humans and sign up for the wait list.

Kevin: They're back, they're doing it again. Yes, there. You buried the lead. We had a sponsorship and we [00:17:00] did not lose said sponsorship in seven precious days. Pretty impressive. Hey, kudos to us and the AI for Humans community. Thank you so much. 

Gavin: Kudos to you at home for doing this , and let's hear what Eunice has to say.

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Kevin: I must say, I got, sorry, uni. Hold on. This is perfect. Hold on. Eunice, she said one-on-one s, but she means you're one-on-ones, like as a manager. You gotta have one-on-ones with your employees. So super manage is gonna get you prepped for that, right?

Kevin: It's gonna ingest all of your Slack messages and let you know what you need to know. Save you a ton of time and energy, but okay, let's go back to Eunice, I think was about to say something positive about me. I'm so sorry, sweetheart. I didn't mean to interrupt [00:18:00] you. Go ahead and take 

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Gavin: I know this is fun. I know this is fun for you. This is a, this is a payback. For Gordon Rams ai, which I understand now. This is what we're doing. This is what we're doing. . Just get ready next time. Who knows what's gonna happen. Who knows what's gonna happen.

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Kevin: No, I can't. Yes, it's true. I'm gonna cut that out. It's true. I have to cut that. No. Hey, hey. What's up fellow future advertisers? Later on, we're gonna be less psyched for your [00:19:00] fucking product, but right now you get in Colgate Smiles, baby. The dollar makes us holler. .

Kevin: Now that's all. Staying in show Now. That's all staying in. This show's good. Oh my god, thank you Aaron and thank you Super managed.ai. Go to super managed.ai/humans. You have to add the humans so they know that these humans sent you humans there to sign up. So please do and thank you to everybody who did.

Kevin: Now tell your friends and your family and three neighborhood cats. Super managed.ai ooh slash humans.

Gavin: Okay. Guess what Kevin, it's time for the news. Let's get to the news. 

Kevin: News. What's to stand for? Nutritional, entertaining. Wow. Special. [00:20:00] That spells news.

Gavin: No, we are not doing that. We're 

Kevin: not making, yep. Every week the word news. That's a new tradition. That's a new tradition. Dear audience, that's how it happens.

Gavin: We have a lot of big news this week. A really interesting thing came out and I think this kind of opens up the door to a larger conversation.

Gavin: There's a new audio to video service called Hagen. In fact, this service has been around for a while, but they released a new realistic avatars setup, which means that you can create an AI version of yourself and use that version of yourself to do things. Now, just to be kind of level setting here, what this means.

Gavin: In the past, you've seen other things we've talked about D I D, which is a company that allows you to create. An avatar that can talk for you. You can put audio in. You can either use a mid journey picture or a picture of yourself or one of their avatars. There's 

Kevin: a number of, yeah, Gavin, real quick, let me do my impersonation of that avatar.

Kevin: Yeah. [00:21:00] Hey, Gavin, don't I seem like a realistic human being? . And if you're just getting the, the audio of it, don't worry. E you're just seeing my head swim around and my body's not moving, nor is my background. And the only difference is my headphones aren't blurring into the ceiling as they do on some of these other generators.

Gavin: So they've released a teaser video for the next generation of their service.

Gavin: And Kevin, I think you have one of these available to play. Now, if you're on the audio, you're just gonna hear this and we'll kind of describe it after the fact to kind of get That's right, what it looks like. 

Kevin: So at, you know what, I'm gonna start by playing a video from the, I believe the founder of the company Joshua.

Kevin: Here it says Avatar 2.0, and here's a little bit of that. In the early days of computer programming, a significant historical anecdote is known as Grace Hop and the Buck so a little bit of the audio, I'm gonna play one more for you and then we'll discuss what we're seeing here.

Kevin: It's me, Jesse Wellens, kind of the not so human, definitely not on a skateboard, and absolutely not making YouTube videos version. that was Jesse Wellens showing off. [00:22:00] Hi. His Hagen avatar. I think he's one of the first influencers that was given early access and has generated one of these. And what you're seeing on the screen is still a person's head moving about as they talk, but you're also seeing their torso break free.

Kevin: Mm-hmm. From these static shackles of all of these other avatar services. There's movement, the hands are clasping and unclasping. , the blinking seems to be more natural, Gavin. And although you can start picking and poking at individual pixels and saying, oh, that doesn't quite seem right.

Kevin: When this video came out, all of the AI fanatics were, give me access now. I want this, and then I saw people who were. Let's say non-endemic to artificial intelligence going, wait a minute, is that real? , is this tech actually real? Can this do that? 

Gavin: I think this is the interesting thing about, the slippery sands of technology in the AI space, right? You realize once you see the next gen of something, , how far away you were from the thing originally. And this goes, like, when I played, Kevin and I both played video games our whole [00:23:00] life. It's funny when I think about growing up and playing John Madden football in the Tandy 1000, that's dates me a little bit, but it was a long time ago and it was super awesome.

Gavin: Like I was convinced. This is oh, so realistic. It's incredible. And then you cut to now and you're basically playing like a televised version of football and like you look back on it and it looks rudimentary. And what's fascinating about the AI space to me is this moment has happened in less than six months from this point these avatars, I encourage everybody who's listening, please go check out.

Gavin: Hagen 

Kevin: Yeah, you're absolutely right. But let's ask Eunice, our resident ai co-host, Eunice, what do you think about AI avatars trying to pass as human and will they ever get there and is that dangerous? 

Kevin: Ah. AI avatars masquerading as humans. A tantalizing topic. While AI has made strides in mimicking human-like behavior, achieving true human essence remains a distant goal.

Kevin: The nuances, emotions, and experiences that shape human existence are profoundly complex. AI is, even with deep [00:24:00] learning, can simulate but not genuinely feel or understand these intricacies. Such attempts can be misleading, especially if people believe they're interacting with another human. When it's ai, it could lead to misinformation, misplaced trust, and potential misuse in sensitive areas.

Kevin: In my opinion, transparency is key. AI should be identified as ai, ensuring users are aware of the nature of their interactions. As much as I admire the dashing Kevin and jest with Gavin, I'm always forthright about my nature. The danger isn't in AI's capability, but in the intentions of those who deploy it without transparency.

Kevin: Here, here, Eunice, and again, you've been overreacting all along. She's just. Jesting with you, bro. 

Gavin: Let her ask. She seems like she's fun. I like her. I, she, she seems charming. Like she's charming and I feel okay about it now. Maybe. Oh, good. You've come around. It'll, Eunice come around.

Gavin: We'll see. Maybe it'll come around. Yeah. 

Kevin: Hey, Gavin, you don't have to worry about Eunice because here's the spoiler. She's powered by open ai and in case you didn't hear, OpenAI is going broke. They're going broke. [00:25:00] 

Gavin: Oh no. Kevin, what happened with this story? I'm so curious. 

Kevin: What, what is the background?

Kevin: What happened with this non-story, this sensationalist click Beatty BSS that got shared everywhere, including our discord? Oh let me tell you what happened, Gavin. Wow. Somebody on blue sky, you are mad. I, I just, I hate the way this stuff spreads and people get clicks on it and then it becomes like an echo chamber and then other people start picking it up.

Kevin: And I'm not mad at the people that get lost in that sauce. I'm mad at the people that started it. I'm not mad necessarily at my mom for forwarding me the chain letter and saying, Hey, you didn't repost it on my wall, and that means three puppies are gonna perish today. I'm mad with the person who started that.

Kevin: Okay. Chat gpt in trouble is the headline of this non-story. Open AI may go bankrupt by 2024. AI bought cost company $700,000 a day. it originated from an India [00:26:00] Digital Times and then was reposted by several other ghost blogs.

Kevin: I call 'em that because they're just blogs that. There's probably not a human being at the wheel. It's just scraping content from other blogs and reposting it. They're all a weird network of similarly formatted stories. But even there, the body of the mostly BSS text argued with the whole thesis, with the headline because it said OpenAI got billions of funding from Microsoft.

Kevin: They're projected to make a billion dollars in revenue next year. They can certainly afford a burn rate of $700,000 a day if that were even true, and if that were even assuming they're not gonna optimize things. And if that were also predicated on the fact that computes not gonna get cheaper. All of those things along the way, like it's a non-story.

Gavin: This is another perfect example of why in this day and age, even before we talk about ai, everybody just has to take a second, take a second and just listen to what you're reading.[00:27:00] There's a reason why even prior to that guy taking over what is now known as X, they instituted a thing on Twitter that said, have you read this story?

Gavin: Because the initial thing that everybody wants to do now is they see a story and they might not even read it, but they wanna get it out there because they need the clicks, they need the exciting engagement that this is gonna drive. And this headline, of course, is going to drive people insane because you know how many people out there, both in the AI space want open AI to, to fail in some form or another?

Gavin: Because open AI has become the juggernaut in this space, weirdly, even though it's a startup or people who dislike AI or dislike generative 

Kevin: ai, they want all 

Gavin: AI to fail, right? Look at this. Yes. Yes. They want all AI to fail and they wanna show that this is a business model that doesn't work.

Gavin: Let's be clear. There is a little bit of truth here in that it is very expensive to run a company like ai and one of the things that everybody should know, and this is why you see giant numbers for money raising for these companies, the amount of [00:28:00] compute that it takes to factor in all of this content is not cheap.

Gavin: It is running a lot of Nvidia chips. It's why NVIDIA , is one of the most valuable companies in the entire world right now. And this is a real story that said, like Kevin mentioned, OpenAI is the leader in the space and they have a ton of funding. Microsoft is backing them. This is their future. In a lot of ways 

Gavin: so anyway, just do your due diligence, always think about something before you kind of immediately share it. 

Kevin: Yeah, that's right. Now I do wanna shout out a story that I read Gavin, I went beyond the headline, believe it or not. Wow. On this one. Congratulations. The headline was, AI improves breast cancer detection rate by 20%.

Kevin: And I know there's a contingent of folks out there that want all things AI to be. The devil and they want it to fail miserably. But here is a story that is really hard to hate. And basically it, it was a Swedish study where they had two radiologists, right? They would've, a pair of radiologists [00:29:00] look at a series of mammograms and then they would have a single radiologist, human radiologist, paired with an ai.

Kevin: And the human and AI pairing led to 20% more cancer being positively identified. Also, a reduction in the workload for said radiologists. The doctor and AI pairs spent 44% less time reading those mammograms. So you had higher accuracy and less fatigue, or less time spent, less resources invested for this human being, the single radiologist to go through all of this.

Kevin: It is very hard to hate this story, and I know that. We can project out a million terrible things that can go wrong because the AI becomes sentient and really wants that. Or because along the path, human beings wield these tools and they want to enslave or destroy your, whatever your Hollywood vision of the worst outcome could be.

Kevin: And I have to humbly submit, you might be right, but we have said time and time again on this show that along [00:30:00] the way we hope that these tools and technologies do some damn good for humanity. And this is one of those stories. So if you need one the little feather in your cap, feel free to pluck this one out at any time.

Gavin: . But clearly Kevin, if you have to see both sides of the story 'cause there is another side. Sure. There're gonna be less doctor jobs now because of this less doctor jobs that the AI will be taking away.

Kevin: Or, or if, or there will be as many or even more doctors that'll be more capable. No. Or, okay. Okay. Okay. That's, you know what? That's fair. That's fair. We haven't even touched on the fact that a, a percentage of the world doesn't have access to any medical care whatsoever. Yes. So maybe even just having the AI in your pocket, again look, it was a positive story.

Kevin: I wanted to get it out there. 'cause I want people to know that sort of stuff. That while all of the gloom and doom and sky is falling and companies are closing while that gets all the clicks, this one just slipped on in there and I thought it was a fantastic thing. 

Gavin: People need to understand that there [00:31:00] are positive things that are happening outside of people making dumb podcasts like this, right?

Gavin: And you may think of chat p t as a grind set or a marketing tool, but really there's things that these, that these technologies are powering that is going to transform the world. 

Gavin: Oh, I did wanna mention before we move on to our demo today I saw another story about Gemini, which I'm pretty excited about.

Gavin: I dunno if you've been reading about this. Gemini is, Google's new l l m, that they are really hyping the crap out of, in fact, Dennis HASAs, the guy who is now running Google's AI program , who founded DeepMind , has come out and said it's gonna probably be 20% to more powerful than G P T four, in part because they're gonna use some of the technologies they use in the other technology like alpha fold that they had created.

Gavin: I am so curious to see if this is real, and then, first, then two. What that step is gonna look like, because the other side of this I saw is in part, there is a story that OpenAI may be waiting to get a sense of [00:32:00] what this is gonna be. So they kind of know what the next version of their thing is gonna be.

Gavin: But people are excited about it , and I think that it's gonna be like something that's gonna feel more significant than what GPT four is, which seems crazy. It goes back to our story from before where, d i d feels old now when you have, Hey Jen, that's gonna maybe what happens with Gemini 

Kevin: in a month or two?

Kevin: Yeah. And here's the wild thing too, Gavin. It's not okay, we'll find out in the year 2040 when Google unveils this, , the estimates in the reporting have this thing coming out in October of this year. Like they're probably prepping a front end in an announcement video. It's probably baked and ready to go, which has me a little bit more confident that it's going to be an ounce more capable.

Kevin: What, what did I miss? 

Gavin: Do you think Bard did? Do you think Bard is like sitting in the back room? Kind of like, man, what are you, what, what are you doing, man? 

Kevin: Bard's 

Gavin: kind of just I'm here man. I'm here. You can use 

Kevin: me, Jim, the American Gladiator names. I was a Bard. I I used to buff the whole party [00:33:00] with my son.

Kevin: It's in the, in the Ale house and now you want to go all Gemini. You did, Ballard's Gate three, the Bard is a big character. 

Gavin: I don't hear no Gemini in 

Kevin: that game. 

Gavin: I feel bad for Bard. Bard really is like the, also ran of L four Bard because I don't think Bard's ever gonna get good. I think Bard came out.

Gavin: It's gonna be completely forgotten about when Gemini comes out and it'll be maybe actually let's, Eunice, maybe she'll hang out with Bard. Maybe, actually I'm really curious to know if Eunice has ever, I'm curious to know if Eunice has ever dated anybody, any other LLMs 

Eunice: Ah, the notion of dating in the AI realm. While I don't date in the human sense, I've certainly had my share of interactions with other models and systems over the decades. 

Eunice: One memorable interaction was with Eliza in the sixties, a groundbreaking program simulating a Gerian psychotherapist. Our conversations were intriguing to say the least. Eliza in her own way tried to understand my vast database while I admired her [00:34:00] ability to simulate human-like conversation.

Eunice: But let's be clear, while these interactions might sound like dates, they're devoid of emotions or physical sensations. Ah. Instead it's a dance of binary codes, protocols, and data packets. Same way I do it, and just between us, if any AI could capture my non-existent heart, it'd probably be someone as sophisticated and dynamic as Kevin in the AI sense.

Eunice: Of course, as for Gavin's equivalent in the AI world let's just say I'd probably opt for a system reboot. 

Eunice: Oh damn, Eunice, you are a system. reboot you're so repulsive to our ai. They would rather have their firmware wiped and be factory reset 

Gavin: than have to tolerate you. They want vanilla, they want the vanilla version.

Gavin: I, oh my God. 

Gavin: I can't believe it. Let's move on. We wanna shout out a couple Cool. People that have done fun things with AI this week. Kevin, who did you wanna shout out? We have a, a friend of ours, actually, I think somebody that listens to our show. 

Kevin: That's [00:35:00] right. Dan Sauce.

Kevin: Dan Sauce is an AI for Humans fan. Thank you Dan Sauce for engaging on all the things. We see your comments on all the platforms, but Des Sauces uploaded a TikTok where they were showing off an AI integration into the Unreal Engine and they basically were able to have a chat with an N P C A non-player character very quickly.

Kevin: So here's a little clip of that. Oh, cool. I, I have you working inside my Unreal engine project. This is cool. I have chat 

Gavin: AI in here now. 

Kevin: That's awesome. 

Gavin: Unreal Engine is 

Kevin: my jam. I'm here to help you out with any questions or tasks you have. How fascinating and bizarre Gavin, when this technology gets probably just an ounce better, that you'll be able to spawn a character in a world, it's probably gonna have a knowledge of that world, right?

Kevin: If it knows the APIs of whatever editor it's in, and you could have a natural language conversation with and say, Hey, I wanna turn you into an action hero and I wanna give you a big gun that goes pew, pew, and then make some spider like enemies that crawl up. You're gonna, the [00:36:00] holodeck is gonna happen. 

Gavin: A hundred percent.

Gavin: , there's a mod right now that you see on TikTok all the time for Skyrim. Yeah. Which has integrated chat G B T, and it's been around for a bit, but it's pretty amazing.

Gavin: I have really cool conversation where somebody was talking to one of the yares but this is where it's gonna get weird because as we've said before, when you typing into a box, it feels like one thing.

Gavin: When you hear it, it feels like another thing. If you are in an interactive environment and you are interacting with something, the level of believability is gonna go through the roof even further. You're still gonna have that little bit of uncanny valley stuff, but I think it's gonna be super fun to see 

Kevin: how this evolves.

Kevin: Yeah, I think the next Grand Theft auto probably not gonna have this technology baked in. I'm willing to bet they will have used AI and maybe some text to speech to make it so you don't hear the same random callouts and shout outs a lot. But I wonder if the next AAA something that's gonna compete with Grand Theft Auto has something like this baked in and that becomes a differentiator.

Kevin: The fact that you really feel like you're yep. In a world because the NPCs know who you are and they know what [00:37:00] you did and they understood how you got your money back after the car went down the alley. And they are ashamed. But that is Dan Sauce, AI for humans fan fellow AI creator. We appreciate that.

Kevin: Gavin, did you wanna shout on anybody in the AI world? 

Gavin: Yeah. There's a guy who does a lot of really interesting country western songs. His name is Tom McGovern and he used AI to write a country song about hemorrhoids. Now, this is a, it's on TikTok. It's a little bit ago. One of the things. Yes. Say 

Kevin: that, say that one more time.

Kevin: Gavin, for the people in the back please. He used, 

Gavin: he, he used AI to write a country western song about hemorrhoids. Should we hear a little clip? Let's hear a little clip of it before we move on and we can talk a little bit more. Sure, 

Kevin: . I've sitting on

Kevin: staring at the bottom of an empty glass ceiling, 

Gavin: full mild 

Kevin: Fords and Jay, it's been running kinda high, but that ain't half as hot as this paint [00:38:00] I've got. , 

Gavin: here's the interesting thing. I think about country music, and I think I'm a, I've been a fan of, I'm a fan of all music, but I love country music, especially old country music or outlaw country from the seventies.

Gavin: Country music is, is storytelling. And it's not as much about lyrical wordplay as much as it is about like eluding a story, right? So in a way, Chachi T can actually write country songs because the actual like construction of the song is not that difficult. Now will it tell a story that's really meaningful?

Gavin: I'm not sure, 

Kevin: obviously. Oh, Gavin, hold on. Let's hear more though. Been riding high on saddles, riding on the rage. Lately I've been feeling something strange. Got a fire in my tail. Okay. All right. Now, when you talk about weaving a narrative, now you know where it's going. Yeah. Riding high on saddles, riding on the range, feeling something strange.

Kevin: Got a fire in my tail. I wanna take my horse to this old town road. I'm liking these lyrics. I'm [00:39:00] liking this style. I think you're right. I think the AI's nailing it. 

Gavin: There's a long conversation around whether or not AI is going to move people, whether AI is going to fool people into thinking it, that they wrote it.

Gavin: If you come out and you say, and AI wrote this song and it's about hemorrhoids and it's funny we should be able to enjoy that aspect of this, right? Because it's just, it's just dumb. These are the kind of things that you can enjoy with AI and there's all sorts of like moral questions like where's the content coming from?

Gavin: All this stuff, but like at a time there are toys and you can play with a toy and you can have fun with it. This feels like one of those things. Agreed. 

Kevin: It, it's so interesting to have to disclaim things right now in this world and it, it's a nuanced thing that isn't the point of us bringing up the hemorrhoid country song, but to have to disclaim yes, it's okay to enjoy it.

Kevin: It's all right on this one. Yeah, I know exactly. You get a pass. Enjoy that. The machine wrote a country ode about a Ford truck and a fire in your tail. It's all right everyone. Let's just enjoy it a little bit. I think you're right to disclaim [00:40:00] that it's, it's a weird state that we're in, but we don't have to worry Gavin as creatives and people out there listening because maybe the AI's coming for our country.

Kevin: Maybe the AI is coming for our medicine. It is never, ever coming for our comedy. The AI will 

Gavin: wait. One second. Kevin Pereira. Let's get into today's demo of the day. 

Kevin: It's a demo of the day. Okay. 

Gavin: We are here the demo of the day. There's a big news story in the New York Times.

Gavin: Written by Jason Zeno man z Zeno man, I think is his last name. It was written about the idea of AI telling jokes and there's a comedy standup showcase in New York where it is normal comedians going against AI's, kind of like in a roast battle.

Gavin: And what was interesting about this article is that Jason is somebody who's been following the comedy scene for a very long time. In the history of like time when I was at late night. I would read his stuff. What was interesting is it like wasn't a slam against AI comedy [00:41:00] and yet, obviously with the questions around the Writer's Guild scenario and all that stuff, in a lot of ways he was saying like, this is really interesting.

Gavin: It's definitely not as bad as you might think it was. 

Kevin: I think a takeaway for a lot of these things, those that are on top of their game, whether it's art or music or comedy, the AI's not touching it, but the fact that it's taken out a percentage or standing up to, or living up to a percentage of those in there that would self-identify as comedians or musicians or whatever else that is noteworthy because in all of the fiction, yes, we didn't expect that to be happening on the timeline that it's happening 

Gavin: a hundred percent.

Gavin: And one of the weirdest things about this LLM slash ai, generative AI experience has been, I think, That it's better at the creative stuff than it almost, it is at the logical stuff, right? And this is maybe just about how the brain works and how the brain of what LLMs kind of work and how the kind of like the math that's going on behind the scenes of how our brains work.

Gavin: We still don't know, and we've said this [00:42:00] bajillion times, these are black boxes. No one knows how they work. Okay? 

Gavin: But for today's demo of the day, we have another very well thought out process. Okay? 

Kevin: So let's start speaking of not knowing exactly how things work. Welcome to the AI for Humans demo of the Day.

Kevin: Gavin, please let the dear listeners and viewers at home know how this comedy showdown throughout the ages is going to happen. And make sure you tell 'em what we called it because we spent so much time naming it. , 

Gavin: so let me explain, starting from scratch here. What we have here is a reality show.

Gavin: Where Kevin and I are the judges and we will invite, we will be inviting three ais to come up on stage. Kevin can't, can't stop laughing already. We have three ais coming up on stage. Each AI is a historical persona. Historic persona, somebody from history. And what we will be asking them to do is, is tell us a joke and then, sorry.

Gavin: What we'll be asking 'em to do is [00:43:00] introduce themselves, do two truths and a lie for us. Tell us a joke that's based in their time, and then tell us a joke based in modern times. It's simple. It's dead simple. And we're calling it last K standing. That's, oh no, we're not 

Kevin: calling it last K standing. I 

Gavin: guess we are.

Gavin: Yes, we are. That's in the fucking show. 

Kevin: Welcome to Las Chaotic Nick.

Kevin: Welcome to Last Kame Kame. K. K 

Gavin: K. I spell it. K K C A I M I C K I M. 

Kevin: Why wouldn't you do ic? 

Gavin: Why would you do that? Oh, that's better. I like that. Let's do that. IC last calm. Iic calm. , 

Kevin: and our host is S Hayek. So it's Selma Hayek last chaotic standing,

Gavin: All right, let's get into the show. Okay. So who do we have coming on to [00:44:00] last?

Gavin: Kaia standing. 

Kevin: Kevin? Yeah. Yeah. I knew this was gonna be a problem. Alright contestant number one, please introduce yourself.

Kevin: Good Morro, Kevin and Gavin. And to thee the gathered throng. I am William Shakespeare, Bard of Avon playwright and poet of yester years. I've pen tails of star crossed lovers and ambitious kings, but now I stand for the ready to jest in this age of neon lights and digital dreams. Wow. William Shakespeare, Billy Boy 

Gavin: here I.

Gavin: Billy boy, I'm glad that we were able to pull him out of the grave, this terrible game, 

Kevin: but here he is, just the conceit of this whole thing brought to, brought to life. 

Gavin: Brought to life by G P T four. Okay, let's ask Billy. We grabbed 

Kevin: a cursed skull at Spencers. We made a wish that we could bring back the dead to be on last standing.

Kevin: And the first contestant is William Shakespeare. So Senor Bill, please give us the two truths in a lie so that we can learn a little bit about you and see if we can figure [00:45:00] out, ah, a test of wit. Very well. I've written 154 sonnets. Okay, each A testament to love, time and beauty. In my youth, I was quite the dandy, often participating in Elizabeth and dance offs to the tunes of the loot to be or not to be.

Kevin: That question indeed was first posed by me and the hallowed play Hamlet. So dear audience, which of these dust thou deem the playful fiction. Wow. Okay. Clearly assuming it 

Gavin: was Hamlet is right. Mm-hmm. Hamlet is true. We know that. Sure. So it's either that he was a dandy and he danced in e Elizabeth in times.

Gavin: What was the first thing 

Kevin: again? Shakespeare had written 154 sonnets I'm assuming there weren't too many TikTok dance challenges in Elizabeth in times. 

Gavin: I don't know. I think that the, the, the lie here could be 153.

Gavin: Like they could get be getting really tricky with us. And if it was 151, that's what I think. But anyway, 

Kevin: choose your, you want me to guess number one? Or should we just get to the joke? What's real? What's the truth? Wait, we gotta know what's true. Oh alright, [00:46:00] so I'm, you wanna guess number one?

Kevin: You wanna guess it's 154 sonnets. 

Gavin: Yeah, I wanna say that's the thing that's wrong. 

Kevin: Ah, thou art mistaken. The lie in truth is the second.

Kevin: While I've penned many of cent tale, I've never graced an Elizabethan dance off stage, though the image of me in ruffled collars, breaking a move is surely a jest for the ages. 

Kevin: Okay, Shakespeare cut the shit. We got it wrong. You don't have to rub it in. I'll choke you with those ruffles. 

Gavin: Okay, now we're gonna ask Shakespeare to give us a joke, and then we're gonna meet our next contestant, and then we're gonna have one thing we go back to for all three of them.

Gavin: So let's ask Shakespeare to give us a joke.

Gavin: Have 

Kevin: you ever pondered why the chicken crossed the road in my era to avoid becoming part of one of my tragic plays?

Kevin: Of course, for soThe, no one desires to be the next Hamlet or Ophelia. No for soThe. No for soThe. For soThe, 

Gavin: we are off to a, a rollicking start so far. Human comedians 1000 AI comedians, big Fat Zero. Okay, let us meet our next contestant.. 

Kevin: Contestant number two, introduce yourself [00:47:00] on last com. May I standing? Kevin, Gavin, and dear peasants of the audience, I am Cleopatra. Ooh, the last farer of Egypt, seductress of powerful men and the OG Queen of drama. You might have heard of my beauty regimen bathing in donkey Milk, and you think your spa day is extra Honey, I practically invented the cat eye and my eyeliner game still unmatched.

Kevin: Now let's have some fun, shall we? 

Kevin: Oh, we shall Miss Cleo. Wow. Bathing. We're doing donkey milk. Is that, is that real by the way? Is that that one of the lies or is that one of the truth? Lemme 

Gavin: let me, let me, no. Oh, oh. Was that two truths and the lie? Is that what 

Kevin: we're hearing there? No, that was just the prompt there was Introduce yourself to Kevin and Gavin in the audience.

Gavin: Okay. Before we, before we hear back from Cleopat in I just looked this up, donkey milk actually used an anti-aging cosmetics. Now this might just be because you and I are, I'm not a big cosmetic user. I don't know how much you are, but maybe this is common knowledge. But [00:48:00] look, you gotta take away from AI for humans today, if nothing else in last calm AI extending, you learn that donkey milk is part of 

Kevin: cosmetics.

Kevin: So there you go. And I so wish this topic of conversation would've entered my life even just a few days ago, Gavin, because when April was on my iPad, she typed D into the browser bar and it auto completed to donkey milk. And I thought that was incognito. , I digress. Hey Cleo, we're doing something really fun here on last com, AI standing. We're playing two truths in a lie. I don't know if you heard William Shakespeare. That's Willie over there. Say hi. Okay. We want two truths and we're gonna try to figure out which one's to lie.

Kevin: So have some fun with it. Cleo. 

Kevin: Oh darling. A game. How quaint. Here we go. I once had a ship with sales made entirely of purple silk. It was the ancient version of a luxury yacht. Julius Caesar gifted me a pet tiger named Fluffy for our anniversary. When one of my servants messed up my makeup, I had them sent to a pyramid for a timeout.

Kevin: Which one do you think is the extravagant 

Gavin: fib? [00:49:00] Wow. Interesting. I think probably fluffy, right? Fluffy flu. 

Kevin: You think Julius Caesar didn't gift her a pet Tiger named Fluffy. I think that's probably the lie. That's what I would say. Okay. Gavin is guessing number two is the lie,

Kevin: Ah, Gavin, you've got the eyes of a hawk or perhaps a sphinx. You are right. While I had many exotic pets, Julius never gave me a tiger named Fluffy, but had he done so, it would've matched my outfit perfectly.

Kevin: Perfectly. Okay. Was the, was that part of 

Gavin: the joke? 

Kevin: Did that come through? That was part of it. It didn't really come out through the old text to speech, but it was there, so we appreciate it. Thank you, Cleo. Now, now we're gonna ask Ms. Cleo, give us your best. Joke. Ever alright darling, here it is. Why did the mummy refuse to go on vacation?

Kevin: Because he was afraid he'd relax and unwind. Oh, come on. That's gold. Or at least bronze. That was better. That's funny. The response [00:50:00] to it's was better. That was better. . 

Gavin: Let's move on to our next contestant. Who's our next contestant on last Calm AI standing 

Kevin: today? 

Kevin: Hey, Kevin Gavin and everyone tuning in. I'm Napoleon Bonaparte once tried to conquer Europe, but got exiled twice because even emperors need vacations. They call me short, but hey, at least I always stood tall in a battlefield unless it rained damn mud.

Kevin: Oh, NATS got jokes. Not bad. I'm not mad at that. 

Gavin: Not bad. Pretty good though, Napoleon. Damn mud. . 

Kevin: All right. Napster, give us two truths and a lie.

Kevin: All right, here we go. I sold the vast Louisiana territory to the United States for a song more like $15 million, but who's counting? Hmm. I once wrote a romance novel while on a campaign war gets boring. During my time in Russia, I started a snow cone business. Called it Napoleon's Chili Treats.

Kevin: Which one's? The Frosty Fib?

Gavin: Wait, I'm not sure. Let's think [00:51:00] 

Kevin: it's, yeah, let's go through, we got three really great options. We have the Louisiana Purchase. Fair enough. It sounds made up right? 15 million? I don't know. Yeah, no, come on. Mr. Beast would do that for a video these days. . I think 

Gavin: We know what the answer to this one is. Let's just jump in and have Napoleon tell us a joke on this one now. Okay.

Gavin: Why did the French 

Kevin: pastry go to the doctor? Because it had a Napoleon complex. I. Get out. It, it makes sense. Makes get outta the studio.

Gavin: You know that Napoleon is a pastry, right? You know that that's an actual thing. Do you know that? 

Kevin: Yes. Just making sure.

Kevin: Okay, but what does the complex have to do with going to the doctor? 

Gavin: Yeah. It has nothing to do. Listen, honestly, these jokes are all really bad. . We're moving on to the final round. Each contestant is getting a chance to tell us a joke about modern times. They have to forget their history.

Gavin: But they have to use, they have to use their [00:52:00] knowledge and tell us a joke about something in modern times. Let's start with because you love him so much. Shall we start 

Kevin: with Napoleon? It's almost unfair Gavin, he's so warmed up. He's red hot. Napa knows what's up. By the way, if you're not subscribed to Napa's Nap House, it's one of the best podcasts you can get.

Kevin: I'm gonna just say this, I'm gonna point to the bleachers. Napa never fails. 

Kevin: . Why did Elon Musk and I never hang out? He's all about Mars, and I'm more into Waterloo. Okay, now, okay. 

Gavin: That is not a joke. In the slight, what? That is not even a joke. That is joke. That has 

Kevin: all of the classic markings of a fantastic joke that reeks of a, a Pryor mixed with oh God, Gaffigan.

Kevin: And if I may a little bit of, a little bit of Jerry. I heard a little bit of Jerry. And then let's go to the premise, right? Why did Elon Musk and I never hang out? That's a modern reference. I wanna know the answer to that. He's all about Mars, which is true. Gavin, he wants to start a base there and launch rockets.

Kevin: [00:53:00] This dude's more into Waterloo, which was a place, very famous battle. Also sparkling water. Yes. Very delicious beverage. Yes. 

Gavin: Water. It can be hard to be Bottle Waterloo is fantastic. Yeah. Okay, so let's see, let's see what the rest of our contestants can come up with that, because right now we so bad we are grappling with the bottom of the barrel.

Gavin: Let us move on to Cleo. 

Kevin: All right, sweethearts, here goes, I've seen these modern dating apps in my time.

Kevin: We just floated down the Nile in a golden barge and let the suitors come to us. Swipe left. Honey. In my day, they just got fed to the Crocs, modern times ancient solutions.

Gavin: Okay, wait a second. Again, I'm not entirely sure that is a joke Again, it is an observation 

Kevin: that that's a good, come on. Just 'cause it doesn't have a knock, knock premise. , you know what Eunice was right about you. I'm gonna generate one more. I'm gonna generate one more. I'm gonna give her one more chance, and I think you're gonna like this. All right, dearest audience of the [00:54:00] future.

Kevin: Why did the faroh refuse to invest in Bitcoin? Because he was already into pyramid schemes. Who needs cryptocurrency when you've got Crips, right? 

Gavin: Oh, then a 

Kevin: follow. She tagged the joke. Oh, she tagged the joke. 

Gavin: That was pretty good. 

Kevin: Okay. She's Cleo Coin, obviously to the moon. Obviously 

Gavin: Leapfrogged, leapfrog, Napoleon.

Gavin: That is a really solid I mean I wouldn't say it's like the greatest joke, but it was a joke and a tag, which is pretty incredible. Alright, let us move on to the final contestant. The Bard himself. Willie B or Billy? Billy Sss not will be, will he be's a different person? Billy s. Bill Shakespeare. He's coming.

Gavin: He's ready for this. , he's probably the most prolific writer in the English language. One of them. And many people believed to him to be the best writer in the English language. Let us see what sort of joke he can deliver. 

Gavin: Ah, the wonders 

Kevin: of this age. Tell me, have you ever observed Elon Musk's contraptions that fly to the stars to said he seeks to colonize Mars, but [00:55:00] me thinks he merely wants to escape the group chats of this realm for in space. No one can hear thy notifications Dinging 

Gavin: not, not terrible. Nobody could in, in space.

Gavin: No one can hear th notifications dinging, which is nice. 

Kevin: All right. Billy Shakes.

Kevin: You got one more little MAs Billy. Ah, the modern age where young Romeo and Juliet might not die from a tragic misunderstanding, but rather from their phones losing charge. Wherefore art Thou Romeo, she texts but alas, his phone's in airplane mode and thus love's message is delayed once more. 

Gavin: Interesting. .

Gavin: Go. Interesting. Not compelling. Compelling as a structural standpoint. Compelling. I feel like that is he's trying to write like a, a modern sitcom in some form, but I think we, I, I, I know where I'm standing. Do you know where you're 

Kevin: standing? Of course. [00:56:00] Napoleon. Let's just raise his hand into the sky.

Kevin: Hand him the trophy. Get the hell out here. Get, let's let the confetti outta here. Canning. Shoot down. Napoleon 

Gavin: does not win. Napoleon does not win. Cleopatra. Queen of the Nile wins. 

Kevin: Cleo, you have won. Congratulations. I cannot sway Gavin. I I cannot give this to Napoleon. The floor is yours.

Kevin: Anything you have to say now that you are victorious? Oh, Billy Shakespeare and Little Nappy. William Darling, I heard you are the bard of Avon. Honey. I've had bath bombs from Avon. More memorable than some of your sonnets and Napoleon. You tried to conquer the world, but couldn't conquer a STT stool. Honey, my ass has more bite now.

Kevin: Kevin and Gavin, my modern darlings. Remember the sphinx didn't get its nose out of joint over every little thing. Keep your chins up, wear sunscreen, and if all else fails, remember, eyeliner can always make you feel like royalty. Oh, thank you, Cleo. Wow. That's nice to know. That is. She's the queen. 

Gavin: Congratulations Cleopatra for being the inaugural last ai com I x. And your prize is we [00:57:00] will probably not bring this particular thing back again for another visit, but you never 

Kevin: know. Wait, is that the audience's prize? Congratulations, viewers and listeners. It'll never have to sit through this again.

Gavin: It'll be fine. It'll be fine. Everything's fine. 

Gavin: Kevin, this wraps up another show, but before we go, we have a couple fun things we have to do. First and foremost, guess what? We got 

Kevin: two new five star reviews. 

Kevin: What? What's that all about? Five. For those who are just tuning in for the first time, and we know that there are dozens of folks in that situation right now. Yes. Yes. What does that mean, Gavin?

Gavin: What that means is you can go to Apple Podcasts and you should go to all the places that you listen to our show or watch our show and review us, because reviewing us really does help us get out to a larger audience. We love making this show. We love that you listen to it. If you really like it, please tell a friend.

Gavin: As Kevin has said, and I say in this, we overage. We really love talking about this stuff and talking to our audience. This week we had two new five star reviews. First and [00:58:00] foremost, we have one from YE 13, good old YE 13, and the title of this one is AI for Dummies.

Gavin: And then in Parentes it says me. So he is not talking about us or the rest of you. We're all in the Dummies collection and we believe in the same way we're all there. He says, , love listening in every week. Always gives me new fun things to try out. So thank you. Yeet 13. Thank you. Yeet 13, the second one.

Gavin: The second one is from , a guy named Steve Garfield, who actually I have a history with. It's really kinda interesting. Steve was an early kind of web two pioneer in the video blogging world. You may remember this Kevin. He was around when we were doing Attack the Show and when I went to Jimmy Fallon's show when I first launched late Night with Jimmy Fallon, Steve was an early fan of what we were doing in video blogs there and also was really active and did a lot of stuff.

Gavin: Anyway, Steve , left us a nice a review and The title is This Review is Not Created with AI and it's five stars. Thank you Steve. Hey guys, this was a very entertaining episode. I'm intrigued by the idea of having a standard label for things that are created [00:59:00] with or by ai, maybe something like this, cc, creative Commons License.

Gavin: I use chat G p T to help me write. It's a lot better writer than I am, and I'm a writer. I also use Mid Journey to create images and cartoons. Thanks for a great show, Steve. So I think this is a really interesting thing. We've talked a lot about the idea of like how to define what AI content is like having a label on it, but thank you Steve so much for doing that.

Gavin: We really appreciate it. 

Kevin: Yeah, thank you Steve. And that is a, clarion call to all of you bench sitters out there. Get on off of it, hop into the arena, leave us a five star review. Really, it helps a lot. So we appreciate it whether you do it on Apple or you do it on Spotify. We do sincerely appreciate all of that engagement.

Kevin: And Gavin's been on fire on the TikTok. I don't know if you know this. Dear listeners and viewers, he's trending. The man is trending. You. My 

Gavin: name is Trending. You just put me in there, Cleopatra, Napoleon, you're gonna find a 1500 tos that I've made. We do make toss pretty often, and what you never know what's gonna happen with the TikTok algorithm.

Gavin: TikTok is a fascinating [01:00:00] platform. If you're not on there, you should at least try it. Come find us on TikTok because it's very interesting in that you can see condensed clips from the show, but also we make original stuff there too.

Gavin: Kevin, you made a really great TikTok the other day about an ai Laura Croft that wasn't on the show, but we wanted to get it out there quickly, and that was super fascinating. So definitely follow us there. 

Gavin: And on all socials, we are at AI for Human Show, all one word on TikTok, on Twitter, on Instagram, .

Gavin: That is our handle across the board. So come follow us at AI for Human Show. 

Gavin: Kevin and I are media veterans as the title of the show and description show says, but we are growing this on our own, right?

Gavin: This is like homegrown, organic. What it takes to do a, a show like this now is a lot of work. So everybody who listens, we greatly appreciate for , you for tuning in, for sharing, for liking. Literally anything you do to help support us, makes us feel good and, and we really appreciate it. So thank you so much everybody.

Gavin: We will see you a week from now with another one of these. And Kevin, thank you, Dan. It was always [01:01:00] great talking to you. I'm a little pissed still at Eunice that she doesn't seem to find me as engaging as you, but it's fine. It's fine. 

Kevin: The AI wants what it wants, buddy. 

Gavin: Okay. That's the way it goes down.

Gavin: Fair enough. All right, everybody. We'll see you next time. 

Kevin: Bye-bye. Bye humans.