AI4H EP 089

[00:00:00] Google shocked us with a massive deluge of AI products that are actually good. We're going to dive into all of them today, including their new AI video model, VO2. Too long, didn't read Gavin. The Google Grinch just stole ship miss. Okay, so then let's talk about Cindy Lou Goo. What's her deal? We've got all the open AI updates, including the fact that your grandmama can now call chat GPT from her rotary phone.

Santa Jensen dropped a mini AI computer that is fantastic for robots. Oh, I can feel my heart swelling. Two sizes, Gavin. Oh, it's actually pressing against my ribcage. It hurts. Oh, oh, oh, this is AI for Humans, everybody.

Gavin: It's another huge week in AI, and this week the big story is Google. But before we do that, just today, ChatGPT released an 800 number.

I want you to add chat GPT to your contacts. Go to your contacts app.

The name is Chat, GPT, and the number is [00:01:00] one 800 Chat GPT

Gavin: Kevin, have you called it yet?

Kevin: For the most lonely robots in the area, dial chat GPT, our agents are waiting at any minute.

Gavin: Oh, we might have to make that, but , let's do this real fast. Just so everybody knows this morning, chat GPT dropped one 800 chat GPT. And what this is, is the ability to call chat GPT yourself. So I'm going to go on my phone and I'm going to call it right now, Kevin, and let's ask it something.

Kevin: this is super important because if you've ever been amongst trusted family and friends and they say, hey, when you eventually get arrested, and you will, what's your one phone call?

Kevin: And now it's gonna be to ChatGPT!

Gavin: yeah, let's ask him that. Let's see what chat GPT has to say about that. So I'm calling the 1 800 now.

Gavin: Hello again. It's chat GPT, an AI assistant. Our conversation may be reviewed for safety. How can I help you?

Gavin: Hey chat, I'm in jail right now and I need some advice about what to do. Can you help me out? I'm really sorry to hear that. The best advice I can give is to stay calm, follow the rules, and [00:02:00] cooperate with the authorities. If you have a lawyer, Talk to them about your situation.

Kevin: Dude, tell them you got like 30 seconds before they start searching

Gavin: got 30 seconds. I got 30 seconds before they start searching everything I own. And I need you to tell me how to get rid of something really fast. I can't assist with that. It's really important to handle things legally and respond.

Gavin: All right. You're off. You're off chat

Gavin: GPT. Goodbye.

Kevin: so wild. You didn't say you wanted to do something illegal, but it looks like, it looks like my cousin Jason is still gonna be the one phone call I make. He can help you disappear anything and to any place, and he is not a trained magician.

Gavin: Ooh, that's fantastic. Well, anyway, this is a really cool thing. I, you know, this is whatever day, something of shipments of opening eyes announcements, and a lot of people are out there saying this is lame. I think it's kind of cool in some ways. It feels like to me, it's like a really interesting kind of shorty

Kevin: The people that are saying this is lame, if I may, are people that were either Clinging to a live YouTube stream to see what this San Francisco company is [00:03:00] releasing in real time Or they're on a social media app Furiously refreshing to get the latest of the blah blah of course a 1 800 number to access intelligence isn't interesting to them But like we said in our little intro there grandmama having a problem with something like the amount of How many questions do you get now from friends and family, Gavin, that could easily be solved by just asking an intelligence?

Kevin: Now you can just tell them to call the number.

Gavin: It's going to be in WhatsApp and you can text it. So there's a bunch of interesting ways to interact with it. I

Gavin: And we also, when you think about. , a non American or non Western countries, WhatsApp is massive in places like India or in different parts of the world. So to me, this is a pretty big deal, even though it kind of comes across as a goofy thing.

Kevin: And this is breaking now at the time of recording, but, , Sundar Pichai just announced that you can actually, uh, page Gemini's beeper. And it understands pager code, if you do add a 911 to it, it will understand this is an emergency.

Gavin: think you mean

Kevin: of marijuana.

Gavin: it's Gemini Beeper 2 Advanced Beeper Plus is

Kevin: Okay. Let's get in, let's get [00:04:00] into it, because We said Google was the, uh, the Grinch that stole shitmas. And we've also mentioned in the past, we are not like against Google. We've been wanting them to release something which is competitive, which is state of the art, which is named conveniently. And two out of three is not bad.

Kevin: Google has announced some stuff and really stolen a lot of OpenAI's thunder just the past few days.

Gavin: And I think the biggest thing we have to talk about that came out over the last week is Google VO two and it is not out out because we just again, we are not accessing it even though I've been in the dumb Google Labs waitlist forever. So Google, please, if you're listening, let us have access. Google VO two is their updated video model.

Gavin: Now all of this stuff was kind of announced back at Google IO in the summer. , but here we are now in December and they have shipped what I believe, Kevin, is the best AI video model. And I don't actually think it's close right now.

Gavin: I think the interesting thing about this. So first of all, It can, it can deliver results in 4k, which is pretty crazy [00:05:00] on its own, ultimately is going to have up to a minute long clips, which is also pretty crazy. But the biggest kind of proof in the pudding, I think is the stuff that's coming out of it, which is, which is really remarkable.

Gavin: We'll put some videos up here to watch, but you can go to their website and see just kind of the whole blog post about what they're talking about. I saw some pretty amazing stuff.

Kevin: I know like benchmarks don't matter for a lot of things. We always talk about the, the vibe check, the vibe benchmarks. , the vibes are crazy on this one. The generations look gorgeous. But if we look at the benchmarks really quickly, you can see that compared to MetaMovieGen or Kling or Minimax, even OpenAI has just announced.

Kevin: Sora model VO2 is crushing, like it is overwhelmingly preferred. And, the personal vibe check of, Hey honey, look at this, which is her. Like when I say that my wife immediately cringes because she knows something AI is coming her way and she would rather watch the ultimatum and peace, and I get that.

Kevin: But when I showed her some VO two montages, Gavin, there was that moment of like, wait, okay, I'm sure this is AI because you're showing it to me, but this looks really [00:06:00] good. Followed by, oh, that's surprising. The, the foot in this little clip looked a little off. I'm surprised they released that. And I said, honey.

Kevin: Those aren't cherry picked releases from Google. That was just someone sharing their output, and that really stopped her.

Gavin: So the biggest thing to know here is it seems like for some reason or another Google kind of cracked physics They cooked on the physics in these videos and the physics are pretty good There's a great video from Joe Carlson show which compares tomato cutting in Sora to tomato cutting in vo2 and it's a great video This one may be cherry picked on the sore side to be bad, but the tomato cutting and VO two looks very good.

Gavin: It's like a solid slice, maybe a little slow of cutting, but on the sore side, it's like the, you know, the knife goes through the fingers and you can just tell it's a specific thing. And then Blazain did this amazing thing where he created a steak off, which he compared all of these different video models, cutting steak and the veal cutting of steak looks really good.

Gavin: This is where we are, Kevin. We're talking about how well steak is cut, but it

Gavin: looks

Gavin: good. That's a

Gavin: good looking

Gavin: [00:07:00] steak, man.

Kevin: look, I love these benchmarks. You're right. The meat physics, the way the juice comes out, the steam, all of it is important. It's essential now. We are well beyond the point of, like, does it even look like a slab of meat? Like, we're getting realistic meat physics. So, phenomenal. I love that I get to say meat physics and not get flagged on YouTube for it.

Kevin: But, , we have to move on to meat physics because we have shattered the Will Smith eating spaghetti benchmark and, you know, that was , , the jokey one that every model went to for a long time. But VO2, while it may be a little guard railed against celebrity faces, the spaghetti eating capabilities of this model are, ah,

Gavin: Very, very good. And, and I think there's a couple other really cool ones. We saw Ethan Molik, who's a great person to fall in the AI space, has a, a ongoing, , AI video test where he tries to get a, an otter on a plane using an iPhone, which is pretty good.

Kevin: Ethan had a prompt which was a distant shot zooms in to reveal a knight wearing a golden helmet. He begins to [00:08:00] charge on his zebra, lowering his lance, charging towards a clockwork octopus.

Kevin: If you had asked me three weeks ago, is this prompt going to yield anything out of any video model? I'm like, you might get something riding a zebra, maybe. Maybe, but. This thing crushes it, and not only does it get the golden helmet, the zebra, but it gets the camera cut.

Kevin: Like, it cuts, in scene, without editing, to show you this weird steampunk metallic octopus with a giant analog clock on it. And it's, and it's It's really good looking.

Gavin: It's unbelievable. And I think one thing, , so Sora, which we talked about last week is out there. And just everybody knows like the Sora model that we're all using or used is really Sora turbo. So there is a fancier version that they have out there. I think we should talk a little bit about what this means for Google right now.

Gavin: Google has been a punching bag a little bit in this space, right? Like when you compare them to like what open AI shipped and what they've been doing and in the last, like say year, in fact, there was this big story that, you know, open AI dropped advanced voice right during Google [00:09:00] IO this year.

Gavin: And that was like trying to steal their thunder. This feels a lot like Google tried to steal the thunder of open AI. And I kind of think they've done it right. This is what it feels like to me is that this is Google planting a flag. Sir Demis Hassabis, the best in the world. We love you, sir.

Gavin: Demis come on our show. We think you're amazing. But he has really said, , we are here and doing real work. Like we are doing this stuff that is frontier model based. You need to pay attention to us. And I think, Kevin, we could also talk about some of the Gemini updates, which also kind of shocked me about how much better they're getting.

Kevin: New models dropped and I guess because we didn't get like a live stream of three engineers and holiday sweaters around a table It didn't get a certain level of attention, but people are really starting to wake up the new Gemini 2. 0 flash model We touched on it briefly last week. Well now there's Gemini 2.

Kevin: 0 Flash, experimental, advanced?

Gavin: So Google has not improved their naming techniques. I do appreciate that VO is just VO one [00:10:00] and VO two, and it's not VO advanced 3.

Gavin: You go to Gemini dot Google dot com slash app, and that's where their actual Gemini experiences. And on that page, you can drop down the menu and you can choose any of the different Gemini advanced models all the way up to experimental advanced.

Gavin: I played around with experimental advanced a little bit. It's pretty good. The one thing experimental advanced does not have is access to. But their 2. 0 model does. And I have to say, Kevin, I was, I've been getting into the game, , POE to a path of exile too, and I used it for some real time, interactive stuff, to get some, some tips yesterday.

Gavin: And it was pretty good. I also will say advanced voice now has access to the real time internet of some sort. So advanced voice also gave me really good tips on this. I was trying both of them the other day. So definitely play around with . Both voice models. ,

Kevin: so people are really taking to this new advanced model the benchmarks are great seems to be really good with coding with analysis with Comprehension of massive data sets and they are advertising the longest context window in the world

Gavin: A lot.

Kevin: We [00:11:00] sometimes get in the weeds here a little bit on this pod.

Kevin: We also try to make it for a broad audience. So this is a 1 million token context window. A broad generalization. Think of a token as a word. It doesn't one to one translate to that, but if you think about it as a word, imagine how much context, you know, 1500 pages or so of data you can cram into this thing.

Kevin: It will remember it all. And so if you are, doing analysis for your business. If you're writing a massive application, you're trying to make a cell phone game or create a server side app. Now you can just jam the entire code base into one conversation. And this is one thing that everybody has signaled will scale nicely that behind closed doors, Microsoft has alluded that they have models that have infinite memory.

Kevin: This is what they're talking about. The ability to just jam unlimited tokens in there. So an AI that can. Keep context of all this stuff while you're asking it to solve problems or give you analysis that in and of itself is a massive feature and right now Google is [00:12:00] claiming they have the longest context window of anything out there compared to like two or three hundred thousand.

Kevin: I think for Claude. I mean, it's a huge jump, so that's exciting. It's a little nerdy, but it's very exciting.

Gavin: And one last thing to add onto that is that Sundar Pichai retweeted a post about Google 2. 0 flash hallucinations. We've talked about this for a while. Hallucinations are probably

Gavin: going to go down. What's that? No. Yeah. Experimental hallucinations. Yes, exactly. Actually, I'd be into that model.

Gavin: But, uh, but Google, Gemini 2.

Gavin: 0 flash experimental has some of the lowest hallucinations in the business right now. So we've said this again and again, these models are going to start hallucinating less. And I expect, especially Google, who really needs to deliver an AI that can not hallucinate if people are trying to get answers out of it, it's going to be a big deal.

Gavin: Okay.

Kevin: smart move, a smart move, a shot across to open AI's bow. If you go to Gemini. google, hashtag not an ad, you can try Gemini advanced right now for free. Like they're giving you one month, get in. It's normally 19. 99 and [00:13:00] I might get off the bleachers for this one and actually try it for coding. I hope they integrate it with cursor and some other things as well.

Kevin: I'm not going to , bring a bleacher Benny up if

Gavin: No, let's not bring him back again.

Kevin: So lots of exciting stuff coming out of the Google camp. I think most exciting though, Gavin, is that there's been, , unconfirmed rumors that internally at Google, they'd been going nuts because they found out that not every employee was subscribed to the AI for humans, YouTube

Gavin: damn. Who?

Gavin: Who in Google is not subscribed? Kevin, that is insane. Get on that Google. Every person in the Google Slack should be sharing this link right now. We need you to subscribe both to our YouTube and also on our podcast. We our audio podcast. You may be listening to an audio you might be watching on YouTube.

Gavin: We have good audiences on both. Please share it with somebody I got a really nice like anecdote from somebody today who told me that they were seeing AI for humans link to get shared in their AI chat on slack, but they didn't say it even though they were a fan of ours, they hadn't said ahead of time.

Gavin: So it shows you that people out there are actually talking about this show. And if you like it, share it with somebody you love.

Kevin: Yeah. Thank you. It's the only way [00:14:00] we grow. It costs you 0. It does take a second of your time. So we acknowledge that and appreciate that. But thank you everyone who is sharing

Gavin: We're going to talk a little bit more about Google later in the show. We got into Google whisk, which is a very cool program that anybody can use. It allows you to take a picture of yourself and put it in a location and make an AI photo out of it.

Gavin: We're going to talk about in a second. But Kevin, now we have to transition to Open AI shipping Moss. How about that? How about some, uh, uh, dual?

Gavin: Open AI every day has been doing these, uh, real time, uh, drops of new products and there has some pretty cool stuff coming out and speaking of nerdy, I thought you would kind of nerd out on this a little bit.

Gavin: , ChatGPT is now released 0. 1 in the API, and we'll explain a little bit of what that means. But also, in addition, has upped the context window.

Kevin: The API means that if you're developing anything, uh, you can now tap into the power of Oh one natively within your app. So earlier I said, Oh man, I hope cursor implements this. A cursor is a, a programming environment that I use to make apps and little tools to help out various companies.[00:15:00]

Kevin: Well, now we should be able to tap directly into. Uh, and run it natively within that. So if you're building anything, having that direct software layer access to a one unlocks a lot of possibilities. The context window getting larger is something that I was just talking about with Gemini. It means you can jam more tokens and they're more understanding of.

Kevin: Whatever, is it a, is 13 Harry Potter novels? Is it a massive script? Is it, , every financial piece of data your company has? Well, you can fit more in there now. 200, 000 tokens, I think, is what they're up to now, which is quite a bit away from

Gavin: I've been waiting to make my Barry Trotter series. And Barry Trotter is a older Harry Potter who's kind of gotten divorced and he's trying to relive his life. He's living and he's got a sports car. But he lives in a pretty crappy studio apartment. So Barry Trotter is trying to rediscover the magic of his life.

Gavin: So if I took all 12 Harry Potter novels, I think there are only like seven by the way, and put them into here, I could have [00:16:00] Gemini write the Barry Trotter novels for me and I don't have to do anything. Is that what you're

Gavin: telling

Kevin: uh, oh one, oh one.

Gavin: Oh, sorry. Oh, what? I could put it in. I could put it in the bowl and then I'll let them decide which is the best Berry Trotter.

Gavin: How about that?

Kevin: Does Barry work out at Muscle Beach? Is he shirtless and really tan? Is he like RFK working out in jeans and a

Gavin: Yeah. He's really against vaccines too.

Kevin: Whatever Barry's into. So, look, OpenAI, making advancements. Are they shipping? Sure. Are they stretching a little bit to hit the 12 days? Maybe, when you see what other companies are launching. But what about the rumors, Gavin, of a 2, 000 a month OpenAI subscription?

Gavin: Well, Sarah Fryer, their CFO who we featured here has been at the company just for a couple of months, but it kind of dropped something interesting where she was saying that there's a possibility that it could be a 2, 000 a month subscription. And by the way, like, I don't. doubt it. Like if there is a world in the future where these models keep getting better, and really you need to crunch something significant.

Gavin: Do you think like a genetics company isn't going to pay 2, 000 a month for a, the highest possible model to do the [00:17:00] most amount of compute? You know, this is the kind of thing where, you know, you could, you could tell me a 10, 000 a month subscription would be possible and I wouldn't doubt it the one thing that the end of 2024 has shown me is that we are not slowing down. And I think everybody should be aware of that. There's a lot of people out there thinking we're going to slow down.

Gavin: However, Kevin. A return of a friend of the show, let's call him. I like to call him a friend of the show even though he had no idea we exist. Ilya Sutskever came out of hiding. He came out of hiding and did a presentation at the Neural Information Processing Systems, a place that I go every year but couldn't make it this year, Kevin, , a conference in Vancouver, he had this to say about where we are with pre training on AI.

Gavin: Take a listen.

But pre training as we know it will unquestionably end. Pre training will end. Why will it end? Because while compute is growing through better hardware, better algorithms, and larger clusters, right, all those things keep increasing your compute.

All these things keep increasing your compute. [00:18:00] The data is not growing because we have, but one intranet,

Kevin: It's interesting to think of, you know, data as the fossil fuel of AI and that we're not going to, you know, Really be making a ton more than that. I mean, there are, , Chinese startups though, that are, uh, incentivizing people to go out and capture experiences with their phones.

Kevin: We talked about this, I think like a year ago, like, wouldn't that be novel, like your experience miners, you know, go out there and just record yourself or whatever. So I, I think we're going to discover new sources of data , or create new sources of data, but by and large, like, I think that makes sense.

Kevin: And that's where. This is where we've been seeing the advancements in these, like, reasoning models, for example. It's just throw more compute at it later, and it gets way more capable.

Kevin: So, we know that there's other foundational stuff in the works. We know that that stuff is going to be coming out in the next year or two, three years. But, I don't know, what are your

Gavin: Well, so everybody should go listen to this talk. At least the first 20 minutes are pretty accessible. The actual end of it is him kind of talking about superintelligence, right? Which is what , [00:19:00] he's aiming to achieve.

Gavin: So one of the things he talks about with super intelligence is he talks about being agentic, which we've also talked about in this show, the idea that can go out and do stuff that it can reason for itself and that it understands and is self aware, Kevin. So in his mind, We are headed towards a self aware AI, which I think will change how we interact with it, especially if it's unpredictable.

Gavin: That's the biggest thing he talks about is the fact that the AI, a super intelligent AI will be unpredictable. So, you know, we're going to be next couple of years are going to be real interesting, everybody.

Kevin: Hey, whatever, as long as we have time to distract ourselves with shiny toys, like Pika 2. 0, Gavin! Pika Labs makes a good text and image to video model that seems to be getting better, at least in terms of the toolset, and they added something called Scene Ingredients, which is very exciting. You can get control and consistency over your video generations by adding a subject, by adding a scene, and by adding a style, basically.

Kevin: You have these, like, different ingredients that you can play with, I've seen people, , [00:20:00] building entire commercials. Uh, making themselves fly and interact with products. And it's not a foundational video model that wows like the VO2, but it's a cool feature set that makes me say, Oh, that can only really be accomplished with Pika right now.

Kevin: And that's a differentiator.

Gavin: Yeah. And Pika did a good job with those little, squishy things they did recently where they kind of released this thing where you could squish a picture or you could make the hydraulic press. One of the things that's really interesting about this, Kevin, and I think this is going to be the case for not fully funded models is that they are allowing famous people.

Gavin: And I don't necessarily think this is something you're ever going to see SORA do or anything like that, but they don't seem to have much of a facial Restriction on what you can upload. So I've seen, I've seen videos of like John Wick and, , Gordon Ramsey doing stuff together. So this transitions really interestingly to our next story, which is that CAA, , the Creative Origins Agency, one of the big agencies in LA here and YouTube have agreed to.

Gavin: to terms on an AI rights deal. And what this means basically is that it's the kind of the first step we've been expecting something like this, that, the agency is [00:21:00] trying to be artist forward, at least according to what , they're saying in public is, and YouTube is trying to be very aware of artists and actors and all that stuff themselves.

Gavin: So there's some sort of a scenario here, which ostensibly is being set up as , we're protecting the rights of people as they get uploaded. My second theory with this is it is in a way for the agencies and the actors themselves ultimately to profit off of their likenesses in ai, which I think we knew was gonna come and is a part of what this whole world is gonna lead to.

Kevin: The same way we see content ID flagging clips in YouTube and sometimes automatically diverting ad funds to whoever has the claim to the copyright. We're going to see that with likenesses, right? So if AI LeBron pops up as a

Gavin: that's

Gavin: exactly right.

Kevin: in our show, LeBron could say, actually, as much as I love Kevin and Gavin and hang out with them all the time and think that they're super cool dudes and really pretty good at ball, , I don't approve that likeness.

Kevin: I don't approve that being there. And either the clip goes, bye bye. Or, our precious ad dollars go to LeBron, [00:22:00] so

Gavin: Well, it's just like you're right, and it's, it's what we just wish to just wish a basket there. Is that what happened?

Kevin: Well, no, it's always this baby powder

Gavin: oh, I thought he was, I thought he was going back and switching a basket. But it's just like with, with.

Kevin: shoot, I mean, I know his form really well, that's not really, it was more of the baby, it's

Gavin: Oh, okay. Fair, fair

Kevin: we ball, and we've been new.

Gavin: it's very much like YouTube's deal with, , record companies, right? You, if you've uploaded a YouTube video that has a record, uh, an actual official music piece attached to it, you know that some of that, if not all of that revenue from your YouTube video gets directed to the record company.

Gavin: Kevin, I think we should pick like some random actor though, that we should tell. Go and let you be the person to do all this stuff. Like who's the guy that plays? Who? Oh, that's a

Kevin: get Joey in there,

Gavin: Fatone! We are calling on you, Joey Fatone, to be the one who says, Use my right in anything.

Gavin: Be the breaker of this thing. I was thinking maybe the guy that plays Shooter McGavin, but Joey Fatone is even

Gavin: better. He

Kevin: good too, yeah, yeah, that's good, but we want you to basically be the Grimes of

Gavin: Yes, exactly. Joey

Gavin: Fatone is

Kevin: out there and [00:23:00] let us do it. We got some good, , big fat Greek wedding, uh, memes that we want to bring back with the help of you and Allura. Also, okay, celebrities opting out of something is one thing.

Kevin: I honestly think that that sort of protection needs to roll out for anybody who wants to verify in their system and be recognized. I hate that it's like, Oh, we'll do rights and royalty protection and guard railing for those that we feel deserve it. How about for everyone? Number one.

Kevin: Number two. , Something interesting popped up on the AI for humans, YouTube studio. Oh, you have it right There

Gavin: I have right here. In the YouTube studio, which is if you're on YouTube or YouTuber at all, you know that you do a lot of stuff in the YouTube studio app. , this came up and it said you can now choose if you want to allow third party companies to use your content to train AI models in studio settings.

Gavin: I can choose AI for humans can choose to allow or not allow third party, which is my other question is, is YouTube a second party or are they a third party? So we often assume that VO is very good in part because YouTube is part of Google,

Kevin: right. Well, also Gavin, if you [00:24:00] tap that affordance, does it say that here's your incentive to allow a third party to train? Like, are you offered money to offer up your video

Gavin: Let's look. I have no idea. Let's, let's,

Kevin: yeah,

Gavin: let's look. I'll do it right now in real

Kevin: getting a couple dollars to open up. their garden

Gavin: It says, learn more. Oh God,

Gavin: it's just some

Gavin: damn long. See, I'm already ignoring it. No, it's too late, Kevin. I said, yes, we're up. We're screwed. You AI for humans is usable and everything. Now go use us and use our faces and

Kevin: Maybe the potted plant on our desks will end up in a generation. If you don't know that reference, yeah. MKBHD, a notable tech journalist, very popular YouTuber. There was a Sora video generation of a tech influencer doing a cell phone review and the, I'll say, iconic little green plant that sits on his desk ended up in that video generation.

Kevin: Could be coincidence.

Gavin: Kevin, you know what isn't coincidence? , Santa Jensen Wong from Nvidia CEO, came out and did a little Christmas video for us and he introduced a new [00:25:00] computer that is called, the Jetson Nano Super, another fantastic AI name, but what this is Kevin, is a $250, almost like supercomputer, what used to have been.

Gavin: Considered supercomputer on it on a chip set that's about as big as a pop chart, which is pretty incredible. And the reason why Jensen introduced this is specifically for robotics. Cause you can imagine within all these humanoid robotics that, that Nvidia is really pushing for. And again, is a great source of new Nvidia income, which is selling these chips into robotics.

Gavin: This is a big deal because what it means is like an AI focused, uh, computer chip set. Is now available for relatively cheap and you can put it into something that's really not that big. So I think sometimes we leave off the robotics discussions a little bit from these shows, but I just want everybody to know like robots are coming fast.

Gavin: Like I would not be surprised if a year from now next year. If like these story is not robotics because I think 2025 is really [00:26:00] going to become a year where we start seeing these go into real production like I keep expecting to see you know how you see way mo's in LA if you're in LA or San Francisco you see way mo's everywhere it's kind of used to it.

Gavin: At some point soon, you're going to be walking around and you will see a humanoid robot and that will feel really freaking weird the first time you see it. And then the fifth time you see it, you'll be like, Oh yeah, that could probably just go into the grocery store to pick up some cream for that old

Kevin: throw a shoulder into it because you have to establish your dominance and be like right now I can take you out Before you crush my femurs with your hydraulic limbs. I dodge Coco Delivery Robots

Gavin: Oh, those things are the

Gavin: worst.

Kevin: time. If you don't know, a Coco Delivery Robot looks like a, a Teemu version of a WALL E robot.

Kevin: It's like a laundry basket on wheels, with giant flashing lights that are annoying, especially at night, they will blind you. And they just sort of roll about at odd hours, I guess delivering cold food to people. But, , it's already become like a normal thing to, hope the Waymo doesn't run you over while you're running through a crosswalk, dodging a [00:27:00] Coco robot.

Kevin: Yes. I think the bipedal Android is coming. The Jetson Nano Super are going to accelerate that. But again, 250 bucks is what this thing costs for 70 trillion operations per second.

Kevin: If you're doing anything with large language models or AI, or to your point, building robots, , it's so wild that they're releasing that. And I also love that he pulls it out of the oven to serve it like a holiday

Gavin: it. Jensen's getting good at those getting good at those videos, right? In

Kevin: I love it. Well, you know, who's not really good and good with ai? Gavin, can I take a second here to complain about Timmy Apple? am so, so embarrassed to be like I, I, I, it's honestly, it's, it's embarrassing. I am not like an apple fanboy by any stretch, but I certainly do my fair share of defending the ecosystem to a lot of folks and their implementation of AI is laughable

Kevin: apple has been selling Apple Intelligence in devices that did not have it enabled and we got a taste of it last week as they rolled out new updates, and I have not found a solid use [00:28:00] case for it yet. In

Gavin: Kevin, don't tell me this. I just upgraded about two months ago. I don't need to hear that. I picked the wrong system that I should have been on Google at this point. It's I'm stuck for three years.

Kevin: No, no, no, no. I have full faith and confidence that they'll sort it out, but it feels so half baked and I've been using it. I don't have it on my cell phone. I've been using it on the desktop. It is so half baked into Mac OS that, is this awkward middleman, like middle management that nobody asked for now.

Kevin: where Siri's trying to field something or trying to figure out if it needs to go to ChatGPT. Then it goes to ChatGPT, I wait again, a new window like pops up, a little bubble that animates. ChatGPT says, yeah, sure, I can help you with that request. What do you need? And I'm like, oh no, I already made the request.

Kevin: You should know exactly what I need. Then it'll go out to give it and it gives me this tiny little formatted window when, by the way, I got the ChatGPT app on my desktop. I'll just use that. It's so much better. I can do advanced voice. This is An introduction to ai for a lot of people when they turn this thing on and it is [00:29:00] just inconsistent It's cumbersome.

Kevin: The ui feels like half baked completely and quite frankly, it's annoying It's annoying to bounce between the two and then go to my chat gpt window and see all of the little one off requests That I have made Of my operating system taking up chats

Gavin: I don't think it's that useful. Right. And the thing that keeps popping up in my face are those dumb summaries that just, they summarize my spam. They just show me the dumb newsletters that I subscribe to that I don't really want, but it's summarizing those things. I agree with you. Feels half baked.

Gavin: I'm not sold entirely on it yet. I would love to see Siri get really good. Like maybe if the local Siri can be really good or that the chat GPT feels like it's an immediately shot, that could be interesting.

Kevin: It's just not there now. And again, they've got enough money and enough data that they can get their way there. And as the chips advance, I'm sure they can run level something locally on phones or on laptops, that's fine. But just really, really bummed with the rollout, um, as [00:30:00] it exists now and, and wanted to say something cause people were asking about it.

Gavin: Kevin, it looks like, uh, I think somebody's calling us right now. We're getting a, we're getting a call. I Apple

Gavin: intelligence might be messing up again. I don't know. It's weird. I don't,

Kevin: Hello, is this a chat GPT? Eh, mamma mia, this a furnace. She's driving me crazy. I can't take it no more. She's down there making a clunk a clunk. Like she's got a grudge against me personally. I press the buttons, nothing happens. Just a more clunk a clunk.

Gavin: uh, sir.

Kevin: contraptions.

Kevin: They make no sense. Sir, I, okay, I'm sorry. Gavin, this was, someone called the AI for Humans hotline?

Gavin: I, I, that sounds like he's thinking he's talking to chat GPT. Should we tell him this? He does not have chat GPT, but he's actually talking to AI for humans. The podcast

Kevin: . What's this now? I for what? Hey, I don't know what you're talking about. These are the furnace hotline. No, I got a problem [00:31:00] here.

Kevin: No, it's not. You sound

Kevin: like a smart guys. So podcast or no podcast. Can you help me with this furnace or what? Clunk, clunk. She goes, let's fix it. Anthony. I said, turn it down the TV.

Kevin: I'm on the line here. Okay. Okay. Is it?

Gavin: who's Anthony?

Kevin: I don't know who Anthony is here, but he thinks we're gonna repair a furnace. Is this the problem with chat GPT having a 1 800 number?

Gavin: We might as well just try to get a little bit more information about what's going on with him in his life. I'm not sure we can fix this furnace, but maybe he knows what the brand name is of it. So we can, maybe you can look it up for him.

Kevin: What do you mean? You're a smart guy, you can figure it out. Okay, listen. Here's, uh, the scoop. She's an old unit, maybe 25 years. She's more stubborn than my Aunt Maria at a card game. The thing's got one of those pilot lights, but every time I try to light it, it doesn't work.

Kevin: Poof! She goes out and then the clunk clunk starts. I checked the thermostat. [00:32:00] Didn't touch nothing. . I banged it a little, eh, maybe more than a little, but that used to fix everything.

Kevin: Anthony, You're a sitting right there. You can help, but no, just Baywatch, Baywatch, Baywatch, okay, . , why are we interrupting our podcast to help with this when Anthony can shut off Baywatch and help?

Gavin: I do have something, Kevin, that we should be giving our AI co-host

Gavin: because yes, he's a sweet old man, but we might as well do, we haven't done this for a while. We have a drink that we can give, we have a drink that we can give our AI co host that makes him a little weird.

Gavin: It is called Monster Milk and Monster Milk is a concoction that Kevin and I came up with. It is a prompt, just so everybody's out there, uh, whoever this is, what's his name? Do we have a name for this guy?

Kevin: I don't think we've got it out of him yet. No, he just thinks we're chat to GPT.

Gavin: an AI that we created and we, clearly another giant failed bit from our AI co host, which is always fun. But Kevin, let's give, uh, our [00:33:00] friend here a little bit of Monster Milk and have him say Merry Christmas and wish us a good, uh, New Year.

Kevin: This monsters are turning me into a freaking mad ma. Whoop, whoop. Listen, you two. Kevin Gavin, whoever you are, I'm going in. She's dead to me. Boom! I'll rip the pipes out of the wall. The clunk a clunk. No more. Who needs heat? I'll light the whole damn house on fire if I have to. No! No! Don't do that! Whoop!

Kevin: Whoop! Whee! Zoop! And Anthony Get off the damn couch and do something useful for once in your life, you boom. I swear on Saint Rosalia, if you don't get up, I'll I'll I'll I'll I'll I'll

Kevin: I'll

Kevin: I'll I'll I'll I'll I'll I'll I'll I'll I'll I'll I'll I'll I'll [00:34:00] I'll I'll I'll I'll I'll I'll Happy Holidays! Hey!

Kevin: Whoop whoop! Whoop whoop! You're nice AI guys, but I gotta go. Anthony! I say, the shut of the TV!

Gavin: well, there he goes. What monster milk wins again, everybody. We are in a world, uh, Anthony, poor Anthony. I'm sorry, but your furnace is no longer, you will have no heat for Christmas, but clearly you've got a fun father there. Thank you so much.

Kevin: Yeah,

Gavin: Kevin, it's time where we take a look at some of the stuff people are doing with AI this week, online in AI, see what you did there.

Sometimes you're scrollin without a care, Then suddenly you stop and shout. Hey, I see what you did there. Hey, I see what you did there.

Gavin: Kev this week, we've got some really fun, quick stuff. One thing I wanted to point out that I thought was just a really interesting way to use mid [00:35:00] journey, which we haven't talked a lot about lately.

Gavin: Midger is still out there. Somebody in the subreddit had a prompt that says a person protesting something weird. And this is just a series of mid journey outputs where they are people protesting. And the first one, it says, I'm not a banana.

Gavin: It's somebody, a banana suit. There's one that says, let's bring back the dinosaurs walking around with a sign that says that. There's one that says save the weird. There's one that says I'm a tri I'm a time traveling robot

Gavin: and I

Kevin: Stop the Big Egg. That was one of those things where the person has like an egg hat on and there's a weird floaty egg near an office building, but just Stop the Big Egg got me.

Gavin: And save the green apples. There's just a lot, a lot of weird things. This is the kind of fun that you can have with AI when you just come up with a very funny prompt and you let other people try to use it. So I love this. Nice for a key negotiation. Nine, nine, six, eight. Good. Good job.

Kevin: I want to shout out something that Meta released, which I don't think got any flowers whatsoever. It is a video watermarking tool, basically. It's an [00:36:00] approach that they have open sourced, and it allows you to embed and hide a hidden message or phrase within a video that supposedly, , is imperceptible to humans.

Kevin: And it's resilient enough that if you were to, , blur the imagery, , or try to flip it or distort it in some way, it can still be detected. And supposedly that applies to even like filming it.

Kevin: The watermark should still remain. I'm sure this will be defeated. Fairly quickly and easily someone will make an AI to sort of defeat this version of it But I just good to see that Someone is still trying to advance that because I feel like a year in change ago The big story was all people are gonna come together Adobe and Google and even meta and open AI and they're gonna make a thing and it's like nah, they're they're really yeah They really aren't gonna do that it's called Meta's video seal. It's a state of the art open source model for video watermarking. You can go to the website. We'll link it in the show notes and you can actually try to embed a hidden message within a video file. And then you can mess around with it and see how it manages to remain.

Kevin: I think we need more of [00:37:00] this stuff as we enter this weird post truth can't trust anything world that we arguably are already in. So thank you, Meta.

Gavin: There's a new tool called cap 4d from a guy named Felix Taubner, who's a PhD student at the university of Toronto, who's working on 3d generative face animation. And this is a very simple way to take any photo and turn it into a 3d avatar. He says he calls them 4d avatars, which I assume also means that you'll be able to use them in 3d space, but it is a one click solution.

Gavin: It is just a very cool way to kind of change, , how you can get something that's morphable into a, essentially a puppet. So this is, it goes to your point, Kevin, we definitely need people out there who are making sure that we know this stuff is AI, because this is allowing you to basically take you. Any picture or any person including like paintings and things like that and turn them into maneuverable manipulable faces

Kevin: And the output looks really good. As people are scrunching their faces and doing exaggerated expressions, like very, very cool. I hope cap 4d comes to [00:38:00] Pinocchio soon.

Gavin: Yeah. Oh and speaking of Pinocchio, there's a new Pinocchio out right? You want to tell everybody what that's about?

Kevin: That's right. You know, again, hashtag, not an ad. We shout them out all the time because it's an easy and fun way to run a lot of these cutting edge AI tools, but a cocktail peanut. Release Pinocchio 3.

Kevin: 0. Latest version of the desktop software that allows you to run a lot of these projects without having to know how to set up all these different repositories and download dependencies and keep track of version numbers . But basically, , grab Pinocchio. computer. It makes running stuff nice and easy.

Kevin: That was again, not an ad for Pinocchio, but what is an ad is this call to outcome for the AI for humans newsletter. You have to subscribe. You have to get there. And what is the outcome? Cause the call to action, Gavin would be go subscribe, sign up.

Kevin: It's free. It's great. It's packed with amazingness and it's delivers every Tuesday morning. People love it. People open it. They share it. They cherish it. But what is the outcome? What will happen if people go and subscribe? Gavin?

Gavin: I mean, they'll get a really cool newsletter in their email?

Kevin: That's sick.

Gavin: Okay, good. I

Kevin: That's

Gavin: [00:39:00] you were going with that.

Gavin: I don't know. We're not giving

Kevin: the outcome?

Gavin: of like, uh, coupon or like a gift card to Applebee's, are we?

Kevin: Uh, no,

Gavin: are we?

Kevin: or uh, you only one way to

Gavin: one random subscriber will get a ten dollar applebee's gift card If you're lucky you will be able to

Kevin: That's two

Gavin: thirds of a

Kevin: out. We can't do that. Yeah. Yeah a happy hour You can get your jalapeno poppers on us go to AI for humans dot show sign up for our newsletter It is free. It is fun. And the line is going up there. So we believe people are enjoying it So thank you for that

Kevin: Now we have to talk about what we did with AI this week Gavin every week We try to get our hands on it and mess around with it.

Kevin: And I think we both played with Google's tool Google Whisk

Gavin: so google whisk is a very cool thing Thing is we have seen a couple open source models that can do this. We talked about one maybe a month ago or so, but basically it allows you to take an image of a person. It allows you to take an image of a, of a setting, and then it allows you to take an image of a style and [00:40:00] combine all those three.

Gavin: And what's very cool about this is like anybody can do it. This is like clicking, like click and drop. It is the simplest thing and it works pretty well. My experience with a Kevin is I took a picture of myself. One of the things I took from a thumbnail. And then I took a picture of the, uh, of a spaceship, the, the space shuttle kind of launching, uh, and all the smoke cloud below it.

Gavin: And then I said, 90s anime, because by the way, if you are into making anything anime, like 90s anime is a very cool prompt because it kind of has that not like modern anime is a little bit crisper. It has that almost like kind of very hand drawn kind of vibe to it. And you'll see in this video, like what it did is it took all those things.

Gavin: It changed my face a lot. Like it definitely made me look different slightly. So I don't think that aspect for me worked, but it's pretty cool. It has a picture of me, like, you know, sit standing in a space suit. Cause my prompt for it was man stands in space suit on a spacewalk. So it got the fact that I was in a space suit, but it's not really having me on a spacewalk.

Gavin: And then I sent you the video, which I animated with Kling, [00:41:00] which I thought actually Kling did a really good job. In the video, I said the salute and it almost looks like a really fun like, uh, space propaganda video. You know what I mean? Like you could hear to like the, uh, as far as Star Spangled Banner playing in the background, where I tell you to like, you too can join the Space Force.

Gavin: You know, it's that sort of thing.

Kevin: it's crazy that the, uh, The rocket itself is still burning that bright, uh,

Gavin: Out of orbit,

Kevin: Yeah, it's out of orbit. It is actually nuking, , our entire atmosphere

Gavin: Exactly.

Kevin: hey, awesome. I used it similarly, Gavin.

Kevin: I tried putting you into a, a tender, loving Hallmark scene with, , , Shrek. And it kinda did it, but it does, what I'm finding is that, you know, When you give it a subject, it is kind of reinterpreting that subject. It is generating new art. It's not trying to put that exact subject into the scene.

Kevin: And that's where things get wonky. Like for example, I've been consulting for , tele, which is a dual screen smart TV. It's a very particular looking product, right? It's got a big screen. Soundbar and another screen down below. And when I fed that into [00:42:00] the engine and told it to put this TV in a living room with this style, it got the living room part and it kind of modified what I gave it to, to make it its own.

Kevin: It got the style part, the color palette, the tone that was all there, the product itself, it turned into just a very, very rectangular widescreen, single.

Gavin: TV.

Kevin: that's where I go, oh, it's not doing that. And that's what I think happened with you when I tried to make you as well. And then I tried to put, , Shrek and the Terminator, the T 800, into a scene together.

Kevin: And you can see that it made a version of the Terminator robot. The Shrek kinda comes out. You get, you get a green ogre ish person and it nails the ears a little bit, but it's You know, it's, it's a, it's Shrek. It's kind of hard to tell if it's a one to one, but definitely it's interpreting the, the Terminator robot in its own way.

Gavin: This Shrek kind of looks like it could be our AI co host. Maybe this is where our AI co host went is that he went to go live his life with the love of his life after his furnace broke down. So this is, [00:43:00] it's not me. It's the love of the Shrek's life. And this is actually who it is. So now we have an image to go with it.

Gavin: I feel.

Kevin: I also tried to recreate a Matrix Reloaded poster with Shrek and the T 800 and it didn't work. It turned everything into a 16 by 9 generation, but it got the matrix text, it got the reloaded font, it turned Shrek into an absolutely shredded, like Shrek goes full keto, human growth hormone, like definitely swinging kettlebells around, but it made the Terminator face look more Terminator.

Kevin: So it's, it's weird the different results that you get, but as an quote unquote experiment, I think it was really fun and both of us took to it and wanted to play with it right away.

Gavin: And the most important thing is you can go and do this. Anybody can go and do this. Like the good thing about the labs dot Google site or whatever that site is. We'll put the link in the show notes is that it does allow you to play around with these little toys. I wish they would make it so much easier to find these things.

Gavin: Like Google, you have to find some way to get their, your naming better so people can find it. But whisk is open for everybody. You can get a kind of sense of it. It's a very fun [00:44:00] thing to play with and it works pretty well. And you can get a chance to do it if you want. Alright everybody, that is it for today's AI for Humans. Thanks so much, and we will see you next week. bye!