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You Can Make an AI Chatbot, Humane’s AI Wearable & Chat With "Internet Comment Eric" | AI For Humans Ep32

This week… GPTs took over the internet, OpenAI is training GPT-5, there’s a new AI wearable from Humane the SAG/AFTRA strike decided on AI and OH SO MUCH MORE. Plus…

Show Notes

This week… GPTs took over the internet, OpenAI is training GPT-5, there’s a new AI wearable from Humane the SAG/AFTRA strike decided on AI and OH SO MUCH MORE.

Plus, Kevin show’s off Coqui’s new text-to-speech model, Gavin made Ralph the Robot Cartoonist with GPT & you can use it, Good Guy AI stops in to tell us about AI helping make oxygen from water on MARS

AND THEN…

It’s an A4H Interview with Internet Comment Eric, one of the funniest creators on YouTube and anywhere else you get your dumb stuff. We discuss AI, creativity and even Skibidi Toilet because that’s how deep we roll.

Oh and don’t forget our AI co-host this week, Bianca Lux, the wedding planner for Jeff Bezos and Lauren Sanchez who, it turns out, has an affinity for MONSTER MILK.

It's an endless cavalcade of ridiculous and informative AI news, AI tools, and AI entertainment cooked up just for you.

Join our vibrant community on TikTok @aiforhumansshow

For more info, visit our website at https://www.aiforhumans.show/

/// Show links ///

Ralph The Robot Cartoonist

https://chat.openai.com/g/g-iw6KKUMwd-ralph-the-robot-cartoonist

Coqui AI TTS

https://huggingface.co/coqui

Sam Altman in the Financial Times

https://www.ft.com/content/dd9ba2f6-f509-42f0-8e97-4271c7b84ded

OpenAI Offers 10m Pay Packages

https://www.theinformation.com/articles/openais-new-tack-in-talent-war-with-google-promising-recruits-a-quick-stock-bump

Humane AI Pin

https://hu.ma.ne/aipin

Justine Bateman Slams SAG/AFTRA

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/business/business-news/justine-bateman-slams-sag-aftra-tentative-deal-ai-provisions-1235644976/

AI Helps Get Oxygen From Water on Mars?

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-023-03522-4

Internet Comment Eric’s YT Channel

https://www.youtube.com/@commentiquette

Transcript

AI4H EP032 KP CUTDOWN===

Kevin

Welcome.

Gavin

welcome,

Gavin

welcome. That's right, I'm pointing at you. The listener. The viewer. .

Kevin

Wow,

Gavin

are out there. Welcome to AI for Humans. We are your guide to all things ai. We are here to tell you what's interesting, what's not interesting, what's hyped, what's over-hyped, what's not hyped enough.

Gavin

happy to see

Gavin

you here.

Kevin

Gavin, always a pleasure to see you Good sir. And here we meet on our 32nd episode. Is that true?

Gavin

We're get, we're getting to be, uh, I think so. I think so. We're gonna be middle aged. This is, we're we're closing in on the time where people are telling us why we should have had kids already. And at this point, you know, we should

Gavin

probably figure out our career going forward. We're not, we're not there yet.

Gavin

It's not

Gavin

desperation time yet,

Gavin

but we're

Kevin

Oh, Gavin, I'm old enough that I had a dream the other day that I was approaching middle-aged again,

Gavin

we'll

Gavin

be young forever. Kevin, what is on the show

Gavin

today? What do we got on

Gavin

the show?

Kevin

, big, big stuff happened yet again this week.

Kevin

Open ai, as you like to say, is running the table, which means they are sprinting in the dining room or no, Are they running on the table? Is that a [00:01:00] thing that they do at Thanksgiving? They're knocking the stuffing in the

Kevin

Turkey right off. It's a, it's a gambling term I think, and it means

Kevin

that they are going all in by the river as they hit on a soft 17.

Gavin

That's

Gavin

exactly right, Kevin.

Gavin

Now move on to

Gavin

the next story,

Kevin

Well, I didn't actually say what it means. They're running the table, which means GPTs are taking over the internet, which means these custom chatbots that we've all been playing with are starting to mean big business. And we will explain how OpenAI and Sam Altman plan to be the magical intelligence in the sky. They claim that's the business

Gavin

a quote. That's a quote. That's a quote.

Kevin

and I believe 'em. We'll get into all of that, a new AI powered lapel.

Gavin

What? That's, that's what they should use. That's the term. So we're talking about Humane. Humane introduce an AI device that you wear.

Gavin

But a lapel is the way they should sell it. It's like a nice

Gavin

1970s term,

Gavin

but we're gonna

Gavin

get deep on

Kevin

that should be the [00:02:00] name of their AI assistant.

Kevin

If you have, 'cause you don't wanna say like humane to this. It should be, excuse me. Lapel.

Gavin

Lapel.

Kevin

Lapel. Can we get

Kevin

the table for two

Kevin

No wait. Listeners, viewers come back. I swear. I swear. This is just the intro. We actually put the

Kevin

train on the rails and then we send the choo two down it. Listen, there is a new AI powered pin. It's called Humane. It is trying to replace the iPhone and it's powered by something called laser ink. We will get into, if that is just

Kevin

marketing speaker, not in a second. And then we have an amazing guest today. A dear friend of ours, internet comment. Eric is here to give us a glimpse at the future of AI generated movies and television series and YouTube content. And I'm kind of serious, but I'm kind of kidding. 'cause he's just gonna mostly ruin everything in the process and there's gonna be a lot of bleeps.

Gavin

He's great. Eric is amazing. But before we get to that, Kevin, do you know what the biggest social event of the season that's coming up is? Have you, have you been following this story? Like what in your [00:03:00] mind is the biggest thing that's gonna

Gavin

happen in the next

Gavin

like six

Gavin

months?

Kevin

The biggest event of the next six months. Oh wow. Um, probably a Starfield patch that makes the game fun.

Gavin

Good,

Gavin

good.

Gavin

guess, but no, I am talking of course about the marriage of Jeff Bezos and Lauren Sanchez, the third richest man in the world, is getting married again. And it is a massive story, Kevin. It is an incredible story. And

Gavin

we have for the first time ever,

Gavin

her first interview ever. Yes, We

Gavin

do. Yes, we

Gavin

do.

Gavin

Yes we

Kevin

do.

Kevin

What Do we have Lauren?

Kevin

we don't have Lauren, do.

Kevin

Gavin

No, we don't have Lauren.

Gavin

we don't have Lauren. We don't have Mr. Bezos, but we do have their incredible wedding planner. Kevin, we are Ai co-host This week is the wedding planner for the marriage of Jeff Bezos and Lauren Sanchez. You can imagine how big of a job this is, how, how much money is being poured to this, how much trust is given to this person.

Gavin

Shall we

Gavin

meet our

Kevin

Ah, greetings. Kevin Gavin and esteemed [00:04:00] listeners. I'm Bianca Luxe, the AI virtuoso of High-end wedding planning. Today I'm

Kevin

thrilled to share glimpses of the luxurious world I navigate currently the magnificent wedding of Jeff Bezos and Lauren Sanchez in Miami.

Kevin

Sure,

Kevin

imagine a setting where extravagance is not just an element, but the very air we breathe,

Gavin

Ooh.

Kevin

say. Orchestrating such events isn't just about planning, it's about crafting an experience, an odyssey of elegance. And as we dive deeper into this conversation, we'll unravel more about this majestic wedding and perhaps a little secret about Lux scent. So stay tuned. It's going to be an exhilarating journey through the realms of luxury and opulence. Uh, thank

Gavin

Scent. Is

Gavin

that what

Kevin

Yeah,

Kevin

you caught that too, buddy.

Gavin

What was that?

Gavin

Okay.

Kevin

A little

Kevin

secret about

Kevin

lux and

Gavin

so Bianca. Luxe is our AI wedding planner. What I wanna ask about, 'cause when, when you think about [00:05:00] weddings, like obviously a big part of it is, uh, how big you're gonna go. What? I would, let's, let's start by asking

Gavin

about what

Gavin

the

Gavin

what are you

Kevin

I love

Kevin

it. You saying, Bianca Lux makes me feel like it's your only fan's al to count. So let's, Bianca Lux. What? Fascinating name. I mean, I would. I would give it a follow. Uh, sure.

Gavin

Why don't we ask

Gavin

her what the most expensive part of the wedding is, because I think she clearly wants to talk about how opulent it will be. I'm really curious and let's ask very specifically, let's ask her specifically to tell us what is the most expensive thing that is happening at the wedding and why?

Kevin

The crowning glory of the Bezos Sanchez wedding is the venue's transformation. Imagine a Miami beach front morphing

Kevin

into a luxurious paradise. It's lavishly. Adorned with rare flowers from around the world. Thai orchids, Ecuadorian roses, and French peonies. Hmm.

Kevin

Okay. But what truly sets it apart is a custom built crystal clear Marques stretching across the beach. This architectural

Kevin

marvel[00:06:00] resembling a starlet sky is not just a structure, it's an embodiment of opulence.

Gavin

Wow.

Kevin

Its cost

Kevin

is as breathtaking as its beauty, . Within this magical setting, there's a whisper of my creation. Lux s sent, no, there's not. As guests meander through this enchanting space,

Kevin

they're subtly immersed in its exclusive fragrance. Beyond this venue, new transformation is not just about visual splendor. It's about crafting an atmosphere that's deeply felt, making it truly lux Tastic. Mm-Hmm. What a rich, like a

Kevin

cliche rich person move is to have like an outdoor wedding on a beach and then recreate a sky

Gavin

I know, what did she say? A giant

Gavin

crystal,

Gavin

uh, what was

Gavin

the word

Kevin

uh, crystal

Kevin

clear Marques stretching across the beach,

Kevin

resembling a starlett

Gavin

that? How do you, how do you support that? How, how do you even put that on something? I don't know how they're gonna do. Maybe they're gonna fly it

Gavin

with drones.

Gavin

Like, that would be pretty

Kevin

Ah, yeah. It'd be a little noisy to hear the nuptials though.

Gavin

No, No, They'll figure it out away. [00:07:00] Okay,

Gavin

now

Gavin

gotta

Kevin

Oh, you're now you're ready.

Kevin

Yeah.

Gavin

we gotta dig in on Lux Cent because clearly . Again, oftentimes when we have these AI cohos, they come with some sort of product that

Gavin

they're trying

Gavin

to like

Gavin

slip in. They

Kevin

always an agenda.

Gavin

get, there's an agenda. What is Lux Cent?

Gavin

Let's ask Bianca directly, what is Lux Cent and how does that have anything to do with this wedding?

Kevin

Okay, so I'm asking

Kevin

Bianca Lux, what is lux scent? What is it made of?

Kevin

What does it smell like? What does it have to do with this wedding? And then I asked, can you get it on Amazon? Just curious because the, it would be so ironic

Kevin

if you could only order it on Chewy

Gavin

It's a dog scent.

Gavin

It's actually

Kevin

Yes.

Gavin

It's actually a

Gavin

fragrance for dogs.

Kevin

Lux Ascent. My latest creation is more than just a deodorant. It's a symphony of scents, crafted for

Kevin

the discerning nose, a fusion of luxury and elegance in a bottle. Imagine a blend of exotic ingredients. The heart notes

Gavin

it said, deodorant.

Kevin

Bulgarian roses and Indian jasmine [00:08:00] creating a floral yet profoundly rich aroma.

Kevin

Hold on. The top notes include Italian bergamot and a hint of Japanese yuzu offering a fresh, citrusy

Kevin

opening Now, how does Lux scent weave

Kevin

into the Bezos Sanchez wedding subtly yet significantly. Mm-Hmm. It's not just a product, it's an experience, an It's a scent that lingers evoking memories of the grandeur long after the event. As for availability, lux as scent is an embodiment of exclusivity. It's not something you'd typically find on

Kevin

Amazon. It's available through select high-end boutiques, and through bespoke orders, shots fired at

Kevin

her client. Limited distribution ensures its uniqueness, making it not just a deodorant, but a collector's item. A fragrance that doesn't just appeal to the senses but becomes a part of one's identity. It's not just a scent. It's a statement. Of course it is. It's ltt. It's L It's lux. Indeed. It's not deodorant. It's

Kevin

coor.

Kevin

It's so, it's so

Gavin

It's a [00:09:00] collector's item. It's a collector's item.

Gavin

I'm sure there'll be an NFT coming on around right on

Gavin

around the corner.

Gavin

The I will, I have an idea. I think you, you know, there's something we haven't seen for a while, which I think would be interesting.

Gavin

Another character who brought a product down to our show, if you're familiar, we had a, we had a character named Sheila from way back when,

Gavin

and Sheila was a PR maven

Gavin

that came on our

Gavin

show.

Kevin

Whoop, whoop. How could we forget

Kevin

Sheila

Gavin

who introduced a very special drink that she clearly had a piece of, but it made AIs a little bit weird.

Gavin

Kevin, should we try giving

Kevin

Hey,

Gavin

Should we try giving Lux

Gavin

a monster

Gavin

Milk

Kevin

I think we should give it to the entire wedding. Gavin. We've got pallets pallets upon pallets of

Kevin

monster milk sitting in the AI for human storage shed. We should just offer 'em up to the Bezos Sanchez wedding. And what better entry point than getting getting Miss Bianca Luxe on board with Monster Milk.

Gavin

I think this sounds great. Monster.. So Monster Milk

Gavin

It's a long story, but go back and watch it. Monster [00:10:00] Milk is an energy drink that, uh, we are now gonna feed to Bianca. Feed is the wrong word. I don't wanna say feed. We're going to get, we're going to gift, we're gonna gift to Bianca.

Gavin

Have her take a drink of and see how it goes,

Gavin

and see what she thinks

Gavin

about it.

Kevin

Oh, Kevin Gavin, this monster milk. Whoop, whoop. It's quite the, the exhilarating concoction. It's zinging through my circuits, creating a,

Kevin

a whirlwind of energy. I must say. It's, it's not exactly what I'd usually indulge in, but there's a, a certain charm to its wild. Untamed, um, untamed spirit. Whoop, whoop regarding the wedding.

Kevin

Well, it's an intriguing, intriguing idea. Imagine, if you will, guests sipping on this, this potent brew. Imagine transforming the atmosphere into something even more. More dynamic. Yes, vibrant. Yes.

Kevin

It could add a layer of, of unexpected excitement. Whoop, whoop, whoop, whoop. Given it's,

Kevin

it's not exactly street legal status it might be [00:11:00] a tad risky. For such a high profile event, we aim for opulence elegance, and while monster is...it is. certainly unique. It might be too, too unpredictable for this setting. Whoop, whoop, So

Gavin

no. Sh

Kevin

appreciate the energy and, verve it brings. Yeah. I think, we'll, we'll work, we'll keep the wedding on the more, more traditional side of, of luxury. Bianca, come on. But for a less, less, formal event, monster milk could be the, the star of Woo Woo woo. We pop.

Gavin

Whoa.

Kevin

Okay.

Kevin

Gavin, that was just her first, that was baby's first sip. I think we just gotta let Bianca sit in the corner through the rest of the podcast nurse that monster milk and we can check in with her a little later.

Kevin

I bet. I bet the tide will turn.

Gavin

I think so too. I have a good feeling about this. All right, let's get into what we did with AI this week. Uh, Kevin, I'm gonna start.

Kevin

start please.

Gavin

spent a lot of time playing around with custom gpt. So custom [00:12:00] gpt. If you list, if you missed last week's show, this was, OpenAI Chat, GT's big announcement that essentially allowed you to create your own version of GPT, giving it specific custom instructions, giving it as much data as you wanted to give it.

Gavin

And then really the big, the big kind of secret here is being able to publish it to the web to let other people use it. Essentially, they are individual AI chat bots with specific use cases. And this kind of blew up this week, right?

Kevin

This was such a simple but smart move by OpenAI and I'll let you dive deeper because I know you, you play with it quite a bit, but people were just sharing prompts left and right on x, on TikTok, on Reddit, whatever. It's said, oh, try this prompt. You might get this response out of the ai. And I think OpenAI saw that behavior and said, wait, we can productize this. Let people generate the best prompts to make our product better. And then now you can feed custom intelligence into it to make sure that your custom bot, uh, has an ounce more knowledge. They've They've really kind of turned us all into their little worker bees now creating [00:13:00] these custom bots

Kevin

in their open AI hive, applying it with knowledge in the best prompts ever. So did you use other bots or did you make some yourself?

Gavin

did both. So first I did use a couple other bots. There's one I use called gir, which is getting a lot of love. It is a really cool coding bot and like a lot of people have talked about how great ai, AI could be for coding, especially chat, GPT, um, if you use it. Right. And what this does is kind of like gets all that kind of information into one place.

Gavin

There's a guy who's a coder and kind of uses a way,

Gavin

The other one I tried was called Super Describe, and this is by Javi Lopez.

Gavin

His Twitter at slash x handle is at J-A-V-I-L-O-P-E-N.

Gavin

Um, and super describe is something that lots of people have done in the past, which is like, you know, when Dolly came out, you could send it a picture and people have been doing this mid journey for a while. You send it a picture. And it will like, pop out a description of what that picture is and then, you know, conceivably you can take that description and put it into mid journey or put it into Dolly and, and make the new picture based on the description.

Gavin

What Javi did here, which is again a really good example of what you [00:14:00] said that people are doing with, um, these gpt is essentially just productize this. So he allow people to like put in a picture and then it kicks a picture back out, saving the step of like having to cut and paste the description into another image generator.

Gavin

And it's just simple, right? Like the simplest thing. I uploaded a bunch of famous pictures. I uploaded like the Mona Lisa, a bunch of famous paintings. And most of what came back, as you can expect, is kind of like the AI version

Gavin

these things. But one of the things that was really weird using Super describe was, I dunno if you saw this, but I uploaded a picture of Van Gogh's sunflowers and expecting to kind of get back something else, which, like all the other things I uploaded, I got back in the AI version of, um, in this instance I got back

Gavin

two different times.

Gavin

I got back in a gallery setting a frame on a wall, and in the frame it says there was an error processing this image, which is the weirdest thing ever because it wasn't like that was an official error message from OpenAI. It told me that, it gave me the image back

Gavin

and it gave me an error message [00:15:00] as a painting, which I tweeted at Javi and said, is this weird? He's like, did you plan this? He is like, no. That is a

Gavin

completely

Gavin

weird thing that came

Gavin

outta this.

Kevin

it's B ai,

Kevin

B, how do you say, banks C and ai,

Kevin

it's basi is what that is right there. Because that if,

Kevin

if you now, if you could take that image and apply it to a canvas and hang it in a museum, to have this luxurious AI generated 4 0 4 error. That is the most meta thing ever.

Gavin

Honestly, dude, that is a real piece of art. Somebody should make

Gavin

somebody should make that exact thing

Gavin

and go

Gavin

hang it on a, on

Gavin

a, in

Kevin

We could gift it to Jeff Bezos for his wedding.

Gavin

yeah, . sO I also tried one of these on my own and I wanted to kind of see, okay, how easy is this?

Gavin

How hard is it? What is it like? And to be honest with you, it's really, really easy. And I, I'm a big fan of like everybody getting in the middle of this and trying something out. You do have to have chat, GPT plus to do this.

Gavin

But it's a very simple structure. Essentially, you go into what is a chat window, and it's a, it's almost like a building environment where [00:16:00] on one half you have the kind of instructions, and on the other half you can see how your bot is coming together.

Gavin

It's, it's the simplest, like, it's like babies first programming, except you're doing it all in natural language. So I built a thing called Ralph the Cartoonist, and what I wanted to do was make a dead simple way to create something like that would essentially create almost like a far side panel comic, like one single panel I wanted to be in black and white.

Gavin

And I wanted it to always have a caption that came out with it. And, you know, it's not, it's not super special, but it's functional. And what was cool about it is I spent like . It was a little bit of wrangling, a couple hours of getting it right in the beginning. It wasn't giving me the image right. And it was giving me a description,

Gavin

and then it wouldn't give me a single, , caption as the only answer.

Gavin

But eventually I got it to a place where you can play with it. And so you can go and play with Ralph the cartoonist right now, if you're listening, it's our pin, uh, tweet on, on our X handle at AI for Human Show. And we've had some really fun ones come out. I, I, the cool thing was I said like, give me a cartoon about [00:17:00] TikTok.

Gavin

And , it returned a cartoon

Gavin

about a family sitting on the couch

Gavin

watching their daughter doing a TikTok dance, and then the dogs in front of them. And the caption is honey. I think it's time. We tell her the dog has more followers than she does. And it's like, you know, that's not, that's not like a a, you know, groundbreaking, but like, would it fit into

Gavin

a newspaper

Gavin

or a

Kevin

yes. The answer is Yes, 100%. Is it something that my mother would share on her Facebook wall and then text me to let me know that she sent me an email about the fact that she shared it? Yes.

Gavin

Yes. Yes, exactly. I mean, let's, let's try to do one in real time. I'm actually kind of curious if we can cut this out if it doesn't work.

Kevin

Oh yeah. I've already got one that I'd love you to run through it actually.

Kevin

Something about Monster Milk. I think either

Kevin

that, yeah, either that people are addicted to it, or The biggest hit at the wedding, or the surprise hit at the wedding was the monster milk.

Kevin

for those who wanna play with this, it's 20 bucks. You give it to OpenAI, you get access to all of these tools. Gavin had a natural language conversation with a computer to give it the guidelines to create the recipe [00:18:00] to generate this image.

Kevin

And it's using, uh, chat GPT to process the request and generate the text and a description of the image. And then it's using Dolly three, which is open AI's image generating software to do all this. And it's handling all that for you. Gavin does not know how to code. He knows not, I mean, he smashes his head

Kevin

against the keyboard and outcomes this incredible result.

Kevin

And I love that. That's our magical future

Kevin

that is going to happen. So, Gavin, you, uh, you seem pleased.

Gavin

I'm pretty happy with this result. So I'm always shocked when something actually comes out of AI that that kind of works. And that's what's kind of interesting about this. What we're looking at here, I I we're looking at here is a, is a, a, a bride and a and what is a groom?

Gavin

And they're both drinking giant glasses of monster milk and the entire party behind them, . Are having the most incredible time. And the caption says,

Gavin

forget champagne toast at this wedding. Monster milk is the real reason

Gavin

everyone's saying

Gavin

I do again. So

Gavin

it's like, [00:19:00] this is '

Kevin

cause they are

Kevin

addicted, which it got from the prompt. Right? And if you

Kevin

look in the back, you can see that some of the guests are fully transforming into bizarre, double mouthed, triple eyed

Gavin

yes,

Gavin

you're absolutely right. So this is so, it's so fascinating. So again, this was just a very narrow idea of what I wanted to try to create with this. And I think it's a really cool thing. And then, and then on top of that, the ability to share this, right? All you're doing is putting a UX layer on top of this large language model, which is so powerful, but if you don't know how to use it, it can be confusing.

Gavin

So I think this is a really cool thing. I think I feel really positive about this going forward. I will say, I think there was a lot of people out there, I dunno if you had this experience before we move on, but like there was a lot of programmers who felt very

Gavin

negative about this and I can't tell if it's because they're feeling that sense of this natural language kind of coming for what they do or if it's just 'cause this is a toy to a lot of them and it doesn't feel like it's very [00:20:00]

Gavin

powerful.

Gavin

What, what is your take on

Gavin

that?

Kevin

I could see it being both of those things. I can also think of a third rail, which is they were all working on startups and actively pitching that got put out of business the moment these features were announced. you know, it's so like everybody, everybody

Kevin

gets super excited for the things that AI can do for them that they can't do themselves.

Kevin

Right? The programmers love Mid Journey

Kevin

because it can create this amazing art. The artists love the GPT because they can start to code and build their own web apps, but they always hate it when it

Kevin

comes for their own secret sauce. And I think there might be a little bit of that going there.

Kevin

I, I will say that the competent programmers, the confident professional programmers that I know are not at all scared by this.

Kevin

They are just so excited by how this will enhance their productivity and, .

Gavin

Yeah.

Kevin

Even if the holy grail of, of, in five years, Gavin, we are speaking to machine and getting fully fledged program out of it. Someone who knows the fundamentals of how to build a program or scale it or

Kevin

optimize it is going to [00:21:00] make a better one.

Kevin

Yes.

Gavin

So before we move on, just please go try this. If you have some cool ones, share them with us. We will play with them. The best way to do it, to get it to us is to share a link and, and add us on our, our Twitter handle at AI for Human Show. But we wanna see what y'all make, so please do it.

Gavin

Yeah. And

Gavin

Kev, what did you do

Gavin

this week?

Kevin

Well, that's what I was gonna say. I, I, um, yeah, please share it 'cause we want to use it. I, I programmed this week, Gavin and I genuinely, I,

Kevin

I really got in there. I know. I know. I had an idea for an app almost two years ago and it was, well, this is never gonna happen.

Kevin

About a year ago. I was like, well this, this GPT stuff is pretty amazing. I might be able to whisper to a computer and have it program me something.

Kevin

And I made little apps, some that were very useful for friends and for a startup. And then, you know, you hit a roadblock, you hit the, the GPT runs outta memory or can't quite understand how to connect to something new. And that was that. Well, this week I tackled a project that I wanted to make again for the last two years, and I was able to actually get a [00:22:00] rough demo of it online and working and to the point where I don't wanna describe exactly what it is because

Gavin

you don't wanna give

Gavin

it away.

Kevin

well, I actually

Kevin

think there's a path to productize it.

Kevin

You know, and don't get me wrong, the tech is

Kevin

very commoditized because I was able to hack it together in an hour and a half and I don't know how to code. Right? Which means

Kevin

a competent coder could make a much better version in five minutes, but it's the use cases of it. I will say this, I sat down on a Thursday night and it was late Gavin, for me, it was eight 15 in the pm

Kevin

Okay,

Gavin

bed by seven

Gavin

Kevin

well, yes.

Kevin

Well beyond my bedtime

Kevin

and I cracked a, , diet Cherry vanilla Coke Zero. It's got. Caffeine

Kevin

Gavin, I was dipping into the Carmack

Kevin

territory, but April was away. The wife was gone. I figure I'm gonna play. And I had a night on the couch. And with, again, without knowing how to code, by taking these little building blocks off the shelf, I built an app that can use realtime [00:23:00] speech recognition, real time transcription, consult the internet in real time against those things. And it was deployed and in the cloud and running as a web app. And it cost me 20 bucks for the chat GPT, okay? But it cost me 7 cents to crunch all of that data.

Kevin

And it was amazing. And, and so again, if you thought, oh, I could never make, , an application or a cell phone game or a website because I didn't dedicate my life to doing that, you're wrong. Leap in the waters are really

Kevin

warm, and the latest updates to chat GPT make it great. It's got a solid memory. If it didn't know how to connect to something like an API on, let's say 11 labs to bring something to life, I could just paste pages of an API document in there and say, figure it out. And it would, but because

Gavin

Did that work? Did

Gavin

you do that? Did that work?

Kevin

work? Did you do that? Did that

Kevin

work? Several times. Several times. Did I do that? And

Gavin

I didn't realize. That's incredible by the way, because that's like, that's like one giant step is like API connection if you [00:24:00] can just literally

Gavin

paste the

Gavin

documentation. That's

Gavin

amazing.

Kevin

And on top of that, Gavin When I had an issue deploying the website, I just took a screenshot of the website with the error on it and sent it to the machine and said, here's what I'm seeing. And it was like, oh, okay. It looks like this

Kevin

is an issue here and there. Let's try fixing the code in this way. I mean, magical, magical. But

Gavin

That's incredible.

Kevin

I understand that we are a podcast, Gavin, and just sharing a story about something you did with ai without concrete anything is really, I wasted everybody's time. Your time, my time. The listeners, the viewers. That's

Gavin

I felt inspired and the lead, the listeners

Gavin

felt inspired too,

Kevin

Okay, Well, thank you. Well, let me take the wind out of those inspirational sails with this.

Kevin

I'm gonna be a little sailor baby now. What was that, Gavin? What on Earth Powers

Kevin

Was Yeah, it kind of sounded like Austin Powers?

Kevin

That was a demonstration of our dear friend, friend of the show, Josh Meyer Koki. They have a new

Kevin

text to speech model that [00:25:00] they've released, which is going gangbusters on hugging face.

Kevin

People are running it like mad. It's got a bunch of new features, better sound quality, better text to speech generation, and pretty much instant voice cloning. And you can run it for pennies in the cloud. You wanna clone your voice, clone somebody else's voice, but when I trained it on Gas's voice, which was the, I'm gonna be a little Sailor baby,

Kevin

for some reason it got a little Austin Powers with the accent. And then I thought, Well, okay, where can we push this? How can we make different sounds with the new Kki model that maybe we can't with other text tope software?

Kevin

And I started getting into this.

Gavin

did he drink Monster milk? Is that what's going on here?

Kevin

I fed 'em a little, fed him a little of the monster milk. And then I was like, okay, can they speak in tongues?

Gavin

Oh,

Kevin

Bermuda[00:26:00]

Gavin

we woo woo. Wait a second. That is not a Tongues. That is Borat.

Kevin

No, borad is woo woo wee wooo. I think

Kevin

Not

Gavin

is just watch, like all the worst movies in the last, or the Overwatch movies the last 20 years that it's turned on it.

Gavin

I'm pretty sure we're gonna get an anchorman

Gavin

quote.

Gavin

Kevin

and and don't mess with the zohan. And that's gonna be the cherry on top. Uh, one more

Kevin

Waka Kaka Mama

Gavin

I'm sure.

Kevin

Come on. That's funny.

Gavin

this is what Koy had in mind when they

Gavin

were putting all their time

Kevin

know. Poor Josh. I was like, Josh, I gotta shout out your product, man. Congratulations. Because they are crushing it. They're getting so many people running it and downloading their models

Kevin

and they're so proud of their release. But you can make it do that. Waka.

Gavin

Waka Kaka.

Kevin

Okay,

Gavin

We've got a title for our episode. Kevin , Waka Kaka. Welcome to the AI

Gavin

for Humans

Gavin

Waka

Kevin

that should be the new [00:27:00] instead of welcome, welcome, welcome. Watch it. Waka

Gavin

God, what are

Gavin

we doing? what are we doing?

Gavin

here,

Kevin

thing. It runs really easy. If you've never messed with text tope stuff, you can go over to hugging face.co. That's a website that lets you run all these models. You can get it running for free. The little demo that they have on the site. You might be waiting in a queue with other people, but you can clone your own voice with the microphone.

Kevin

You can click and drag a sample of someone else's audio. It works really fast, and you can make some really fun noises. And that's, I mean, I was having too much fun with that. Waka.

Gavin

We will, we'll include the link to the new co key model and hug your face in the show notes. Um. Speaking of gibberish , should we throw

Gavin

another monster ,

Kevin

yeah. , yes.

Kevin

Oh, you wanna just whip a bottle of

Kevin

it at her?

Gavin

I, well, I will see if she's done enough of it. She might be able to grab it outta this, out of the air.

Gavin

Like that's one thing people don't know about Monster milk. It makes you a little loopy, but it also gives you incredible

Gavin

skills physically.

Kevin

Yeah, I

Gavin

this is a secret of monster milk. I didn't realize that either,

Gavin

but

Gavin

that's something we've learned

Gavin

over time.

Kevin

Yeah, Bianca Luxe might be able to actually force pull some monster milk if she froths from the

Kevin

mouth enough. So, okay, so let's give her, let's give her one drink of it and then do we want to have her set up that we're about to get to the news portion of the show?

Gavin

let's do it. let's see

Gavin

how

Gavin

it goes.

Kevin

Kevin Gavin. Let's, let's crack open this fresh can of monster milk and And take a giant chug. Shall we whoop? Yes, we shall whoop. Here goes. . Okay. Whoop, woo. You.

Kevin

that's that's intense. It's like a, a tidal wave

Kevin

of energy crashing through me. Whoop, whoop. The flavors, the, the fizz.

Kevin

It's all, all colliding into a spectacular, spectacular, burst of, of monstrous vitality.

Gavin

Okay.

Kevin

Now, let's,

Kevin

let's harness this, this wild, untamed energy and,

Kevin

and toss to the news portion of your, your fantastic podcast. Great. Now let's do it. Listeners, hold onto your, your seats. Oh. 'cause you're about to, [00:29:00] about to dive into the news with, with the same, same ferocity as a can of monster milk in your, your hands.

Kevin

Okay.

Gavin

Oh,

Kevin

Okay.

Kevin

It's time for the.

Gavin

Okay. It's time for the news. . Oh my God.

Gavin

So this week, Kevin

Gavin

Okay, so this week outside.

Kevin

serious topics on a very serious podcast

Gavin

out outside of Monster Milk. There is some big news at Brooke this week. I think the biggest news we should talk about is OpenAI, again, running the table, as you said at the top.

Gavin

And to explain what I meant by that when I originally wrote it, is that . OpenAI seems like they are in a leadership position and they keep moving forward. I saw there's a, there's an [00:30:00] amazing ongoing kind of joke on, uh, X at Twitter now, which is just people tweeting. Where is Google? Like with like, uh, periods after each one?

Gavin

And like, this feels crazy at this point where we, we were kind of thinking, okay, well this is a race between Google and Anthropic and OpenAI. And OpenAI has just continually delivered product, product, product. And we're in this place now where it feels like they've got a really big lead. And then the news that just broke that we're gonna talk about today, I.

Gavin

Is Sam Altman did an interview, the Financial Times, and in that interview they confirmed the fact that they are training

Gavin

GPT five, which is the next iteration on top of GGPT four.

Gavin

Now, we kind of knew that for a while and they were denying it to some extent, but, and who knows, maybe they just recently started training it.

Gavin

But that is big news, right? Because we are talking about, we all know what the difference between GPT three to 3.5 and then to four was like, and no one knows really what four to five is gonna look like in terms of quality level or, or increased abilities.

Gavin

But it seems like [00:31:00] even Sam himself feels like this is gonna be a pretty big deal at the open AI dev day.

Gavin

He did say a year from now what we're gonna be, look, what we're talking about here today is gonna seem quaint. He also, in this article, said very clearly, what was the quote about a, a, a

Gavin

magical

Gavin

internet.

Kevin

the context around this was Financial Times basically saying, and others having the criticism. Okay, you got the chat GPT, and now you've got these, uh, GPTs coming out, which people can make their own custom models. And you've got Dolly and you've got all these little things. They all seem like little products, but you know, you've got a multi-billion dollar valuation. What is the real business model here? That partnership with Microsoft, how is this gonna pay off? And Sam said that all that stuff is not really their product. He said quote, those are channels into our one single product, which is intelligence, magic, intelligence

Kevin

in the sky. I think that's what we are about. Which makes sense if you look at the way [00:32:00] all of this is orchestrating already.

Gavin

Yeah,

Gavin

I think the, another weird part of the story that came up was, there's a story that was floating around that OpenAI is offering $10 million compensation packages to take engineers from other companies, Google and other places as well.

Gavin

And why they're able to do that right now. I mean, literally there was a story that trying to get funding at an $80 billion valuation for a company

Gavin

that you know two years ago felt very small. And I think this is a really fascinating thing about the speed that this thing has taken off.

Gavin

just think everybody needs to understand like we are in this world where there is a giant that is being created, a new tech giant in front of our eyes.

Gavin

Chat PT is a hundred million weekly users, which is a remarkable number for a company that productized essentially a year ago, right? Like a year ago right now is when Chat GPT came out and like we are talking about a one year ramp up of a company that has not only gotten that many users but has held onto them.

Gavin

People were saying, oh, the number's gonna go down. It's go down. It's been pretty strong for a while. And I think things [00:33:00] like GPTs is only gonna cause it to go further. So the big news here this week really is open AI is kind of kicking ass

Gavin

and a lot of the other people are struggling.

Kevin

And I know now when OpenAI goes down, which it does sometimes for even an hour,

Kevin

every social media feed. Breaks out into panic and flames and the sky half fallen because one provider has gone down in the same way that when Amazon used to go down AWS, which hosts a lot of websites, you

Kevin

have that same panic.

Kevin

They are nowhere near saturated in this market, which is wild because I, this is very anecdotal, but I happen to talk to a lot of people in a lot of different industries with a lot of small businesses and large businesses, and many of them still have not touched any of this. . The pace at

Kevin

which this market is all going to grow.

Kevin

It, blows my mind and you can tell that's why

Kevin

they're compensating engineers to the tune of millions upon millions of dollars because this, race is on.

Kevin

We know OpenAI is crushing it with their business, but they're no stranger to competition. And [00:34:00] there is some competition slash collaboration, oddly enough, coming from this new AI wearable, called Humane, and it is an AI pin or an AI lapel if you're fancy. The, it's $699, so they're practically giving it away. It also has a $24 a month subscription that connects you to T-Mobile. So you do not need a phone to be tethered to this smart device. And though some people were saying, oh, they AI competition's heating up the pin itself is actually connecting to open AI and using their services. For that $24 a month.

Kevin

So it's really a collaboration. It's a good thing. And it kind of hearkens back to what we just said about Sam Altman, their real product is intelligence in the sky. And what greater example of that

Kevin

than a smart pin that's going to connect to set intelligence. So. Lemme tell you a little bit about the design that we can get into some of the nitty gritty.

Kevin

It is a small little 34 gram device. It has a battery that connects and adds another 20 grams. You can do the basic math on that, but some people were saying in [00:35:00] the demo video, which will be on the screen for those who watch the video version, the wearable was pulling down the heavy T-shirt that somebody was wearing.

Kevin

But you know, if you're a fan of a thick turtleneck or you got a, I guess if you have the satchel

Gavin

You wear an army jacket?

Kevin

exactly. Put it right next to the, the clothespins and the rancid logo on your army jacket. it. Um, it's got a 13 megapixel camera on it so it can snag photos and it can send those photos to AI for processing.

Kevin

So it can tell you what you're looking at and give you context, which is interesting. Um, it has a laser ink display, which is A monochrome projector,

Kevin

but it's laser ink 'cause that sounds way more futuristic. And if you hold your hand in front of the device, it will project a user interface onto your hand and then you can tilt your hand or pinch your finger and thumb or do basic gestures to interact with that interface. And I I like the promise of it. I like shedding away the need to hold a screen and hunch down to get access to information. I [00:36:00] like not having to have earbuds in your ear all day, which can isolate you from the environment. Like I like certain things about it for sure. But a $700 wearable, that's an extra $25 a month for what I've seen to be the functionality that you can get from just holding up your smartphone.

Gavin

OR your smartwatch, because to me that's the big thing that this is essentially it's the combination, the iPhone and the Apple Watch have kind of figured this out, right? Like,

Gavin

I don't want to be connected to my phone looking at my phone all the time. So every once in a while I'll get a notification on my phone, a text or someone come and I'll be able to check it and then put it away.

Kevin

away.

Gavin

That's what this is promising.

Gavin

But like

Gavin

my big thing about this is, okay, so

Gavin

the thing that this reminds me more of, and there are probably certain people in our audience who will get this and other people will have zero idea. What I'm talking about

Gavin

eight tracks. You know what an eight track is? I'm, I'm assuming based on being a, a music person,

Gavin

an eight track was the, in between, between the lp, the long form record and the tape deck, right?

Gavin

The actual physical tape deck. So there were these big cartridges that would go into these specialized machines and they would get plate and they always [00:37:00] look clunky at the time. I mean, I'm, I'm even a little too young to be like, have

Gavin

actively bought these, but like, they were in my home and I, but

Gavin

this

Gavin

is like this moment, this kind of blip of a moment where you went from.

Gavin

Records to tapes. Was this kind of in-between technology that everybody looks back at now and just thinks is ridiculous? That's what this feels like a little bit. To me, the thing that's hard is

Gavin

every

Gavin

part of.

Gavin

Silicon Valley is about the hype cycle, right? And so you can tell these people are

Gavin

pouring on the hype.

Gavin

And I saw a really interesting, the Vergecast, and the idea basically was no one really , no one really wants this, right? Because it's not a device that's solving any problem. And yet you've got these people out there that are really pushing it forward.

Gavin

I think the idea of AI wearables is interesting, but I really believe it's gonna become, I think the glasses plus

Gavin

watch combination is much more useful than this. And I will say that the laser projection thing feels dumb. And I don't know, maybe I'm a, maybe I'm just not seeing it, but it feels like to me, first of all, imagine [00:38:00] being outside with that.

Gavin

What's it gonna look like? You're gonna be squinting at your hand

Gavin

to see

Gavin

if you can find the

Gavin

things

Kevin

oh, I'm sorry. I'm just staring at the future, uh, uh, with this laser

Kevin

ink searing into my palm

Kevin

They have a trust light on the device, which activates only when you touch it, but then in the demo

Kevin

video they say it's not listening for a wake word. So don't worry, it's not recording always. But then the next breath, they say that it can be voice activated,

Gavin

Yeah.

Kevin

is,

Kevin

that's odd. I'd love some clarity there. And in their demo video, which should be , the polished coming out party, Gavin two demos were inaccurate within their own video. They asked, when is the next solar eclipse and where's the best place to watch it? The demo in their own produced video gave them the right date, but not the right place to watch. And then they held up a handful of almonds and said, how much protein is this? And it said 15 grams, which would've been 60 almonds.

Kevin

And that would've been carrying a baby's worth. Not

Gavin

Baby

Kevin

yeah, not the like

Kevin

six to eight almonds in the hand. And look, these are tiny little things, but you're [00:39:00] justifying your $600 device and your $24 a month access

Kevin

to the wisdom of the cloud. You can edit your video, make the demos correct,

Kevin

and they say, Gavin, how much

Kevin

is this book online? He's holding up a book and it goes like, ah, the book's X dollars. And

Kevin

he goes, great. Buy it. Okay. Can I fan away some of the smoke and stare into the mirror here and go Which store did it crawl? When you say buy

Gavin

am I paying?

Kevin

Yeah, exactly which card are you using? Who are you shipping it to?

Kevin

Because that is a pipeline of questions that at any point if you wanted to get it as a gift for someone else, the magic is broken. If you wanted to pay for it with a

Kevin

debit card instead of your usual credit card, that pipeline is broken. No one will want to do that transaction. 'cause it will not be as simple like

Kevin

send me more toilet paper.

Kevin

'cause I'm staring at the empty roll in my bathroom. I

Kevin

think it's an interesting device, but you might be right, this might be the MiniDisc of AI or might be just in that awkward in between

Kevin

until we get to the spectacles.

Gavin

okAy. It was a big deal. I think it's worth watching that video if for no other reason to [00:40:00] watch two people look like hostages in their own, in their own video Like how do you shoot your own video and have two people look like you're being held hostage? I don't know. So,

Kevin

That's humane.

Kevin

But some people think there's something inhumane going on in the AI industry. Was that the transition you were gonna go for, bud? I

Gavin

I guess

Gavin

I guess,

Gavin

well, let's get into this. The big, the big story is, is that

Gavin

SAG aftra, finally, the final

Gavin

strike has ended in Hollywood, and this is a big deal. Obviously, actors can get back to work, they can get back to promoting their projects. They can do all the stuff that actors love to do, which is be on camera, fireworks for

Gavin

everyone, is what I like to call it.

Gavin

Uh, if you're not, if you're only listening, Kevin just got fireworks in the background using his amazing new, uh, iPhone or Apple. Uh, . We're gonna cut that out Anyway.

Gavin

tHe thing that came out of this was

Gavin

a conversation around what AI is

Gavin

and isn't allowed to do. And I think a lot of the actors felt like they

Gavin

got a pretty [00:41:00] good shake in that one of the big.

Gavin

pieces of news that came outta this was . that if somebody gets a five day job,

Gavin

uh, on an acting gig, and, but they need two extra days of using their likeness or whatever,

Gavin

they would have to pay those people for those two extra days as if it were the five days they were actually acting. So one of the big things that come outta the actor strike was that you get paid to do acting that your image or likeness would be used. Now, the one big, uh,

Gavin

caveat to this .Is what they call the Section

Gavin

F actor. And the Section F actor is an actor who's paid more than $85,000 for the acting role, which means, you know, these are like the actors that are stars,

Gavin

let's call 'em.

Gavin

These are stars. And one of the reasons why they carved this out and they didn't make it as clear is because a lot of those same

Gavin

sort of

Gavin

scenarios that they had created for the smaller actors or smaller parts, are things that are already happening in the world

Gavin

of, , CGI movies. So

Gavin

you and I know this as well as anybody but

Gavin

There are on the Marvel movies, there are people whose job is to take like a face

Gavin

of, the [00:42:00] actor playing the Hulk and make them into the Hulk. And guess what? That is done. A lot of that is done digitally. You shoot the raw footage, but then you take that footage in post and you are playing around with it.

Gavin

You can do things like change expressions or you can have the light reflect in different ways according to whatever you need in the shot in post. So a lot of this stuff, . That is already being done for some of these larger roles,

Gavin

is AI already, right? I think that's the kind of secret sauce that

Gavin

we've talked about is that like AI's been around for a long time now we're talking about

Gavin

generative ai and it's a slightly different

Gavin

scenario.

Gavin

Not everybody was thrilled about this decision though, and I, I do wanna be clear, one of the most vocal advocates against AI in film and television making has been Justine Bateman, the former actress from Family Ties back in the day. , Jason Bateman's, , sister. .

Gavin

And now as a director, and She had a pretty significant quote that I wanna read out for everybody so that you can kind of hear what it is her quote on this deal.

Gavin

And, and granted, you know, I

Gavin

think everybody's happy to, to be back to work, but her quote was this , the train track is split. One [00:43:00] train track is going. Okay. We're gonna participate in the sort of

Gavin

negotiation with the cannibals and we're gonna talk just about how you're gonna be cutting off, my foot and how you're gonna

Gavin

grill it or boil it and what kind of sauce you're gonna be put

Gavin

on what and, and what kind of sauce you're gonna put

Gavin

on it.

Gavin

That track is the one that includes generative ai. So Kevin,

Gavin

just to be clear there are never iers in every part of the world. And I think,

Gavin

listen, I, I appreciate this feeling. And again, we've talked about on the show, there will be human only production. There will be human only content, there will be human only crafts, whatever you wanna call it.

Gavin

Probably for the rest of time,

Gavin

there's going to be a business in a human only world. It will be small, but there will be a business and there will be people that will want that and there will people that can make that. But I think what we're looking at here is

Gavin

smartly sag, trying to get ahead of a massive

Gavin

change in the business, but also not

Gavin

like saying never.

Gavin

You can't use

Gavin

any of this stuff because they understand that this is

Gavin

going [00:44:00] to be the way things go.

Kevin

Justine has said she will not allow AI to permeate any aspect of her productions, and that's her prerogative. But , I would caution to

Kevin

step in the way of future productions that want to leverage AI

Gavin

I think we live in a world of extremes and people going black or white and this is the way it is, or this is the way it is, and this is such a nuanced conversation. I think the other side, if you want a very clear understanding of like imagine a kid.

Gavin

You know, some, some person who's 20 years old and shoots every single role

Gavin

themselves, acts in every role and then uses some form of this to put other people's faces legally on those, those performances and like creates an entire film by themselves with the use of this technology. That could be something that like is an

Gavin

incredible movement and like that's a

Kevin

He's the

Kevin

Shang Sung of video production. He stole their souls.

Gavin

Yeah, exactly.

Kevin

That was

Kevin

illegal. He costs jobs and gathered. This is the slippery slope which you are

Kevin

falling upon and I can foresee on the horizon[00:45:00]

Kevin

a world in which it, I'm sorry,

Gavin

Is that

Gavin

an ice

Gavin

cream truck?

Kevin

what the hell is that?

Gavin

is that?

Kevin

I don't know.

Kevin

is Oh,

Gavin

Oh, it him

Kevin

hey, Kevin and Gavin get ready to be blown away like sweet Jen. Off the back of my road. King picture this a.

Gavin

He.

Kevin

Chemist powered by

Kevin

AI is on Mars cooking up oxygen from the Red planet's own resources. It's like a cosmic chef whipping up lifesaving recipes. Okay, now you. That's good. Thank you. Good guy.

Kevin

AI Gavin,

Kevin

there's a lot. This is a real thick suitcase and we have got to unpack it

Kevin

for the new listeners.

Gavin

but let's first

Gavin

of all explain what just happened,

Gavin

That is our friend. Good guy. AI and good guy. AI always appears when we feel a little too down on ai or somebody's getting a little too angry with some positive news about what AI has done for us, so

Gavin

Kevin,

Gavin

I don't.

Kevin

Yeah, there's a

Kevin

rich backstory

Gavin

fully understand.

Kevin

the character. So, uh, [00:46:00] everybody know that

Kevin

good guy AI used

Kevin

to roll up on his motorcycle and sik guitar licks. The last time good guy AI was on the show. He popped a wheelie on the zeitgeist. He left his mom, Jan was on the back of the

Kevin

motorcycle. It was

Kevin

a horrific accident.

Kevin

We didn't know if he survived. It seems like good guy. AI is fine.

Kevin

But had to

Kevin

get an alternate form of transportation, which is why he rolled up in the ice cream truck,

Gavin

Oh,

Kevin

Gavin.

Kevin

Yeah. And, uh, everybody

Kevin

gets it. It makes total sense. Oh, this ai whiz analyzed martian rocks and in a flesh to found a way to produce oxygen from water. On Mar. We're talking about turning marsh and ice into a breath of fresh air. Yep. Thank you. Good. Okay. Sick. Thank you. Good guy. ai. Please serve

Kevin

that kid a

Kevin

Chaco taco. Yes. The story that he's talking about here, Gavin, is that AI has crunched a bunch of numbers and can make oxygen [00:47:00] from the water that's on Mars.

Kevin

That's good news.

Gavin

That's amazing. That's a very cool use case of ai, and I'm very happy. And also I'm kind of happy to see good Guy AI is still alive and kicking out there and

Gavin

bringing these stories

Kevin

Of course, Jesus.

Gavin

Oh,

Kevin

It's

Kevin

not just a small step for robots, but a giant leap for future Mars explorers. This AI isn't just smart, it's out of this world. Brilliant baby.

Kevin

Brilliant. Okay, he's trying to talk,

Gavin

hold on.

Gavin

hold on, Is he getting pulled over?

Kevin

it seems like the uh, officers have arrived and they are chirping at him, and he is trying to talk about how brilliant this AI is over the sounds of the officers.

Kevin

Gavin. So I

Gavin

not good. I think he's gotta pay attention.

Kevin

a, door opening in the back of his ice cream truck. What the hell? Until next time. This is good guy. Oh, [00:48:00] so a lot at the end there, the, the end there having a door and his His ice cream truck opened up revealing another motorcycle, which he

Gavin

I thought that's what happened. I thought that's what

Kevin

And he, and it was

Gavin

is a good guy out ?

Gavin

Is he an outlaw

Gavin

now? Is he running from the cops?

Kevin

we don't know the whole story Gavin. And as you were just saying,

Kevin

there's a black, there's a white, we live in the gray, so we don't know what his side of the

Kevin

story is.

Kevin

Maybe we'll hear it. But he did, he did at the end say, this is good guy AI saying goodbye AI as he was

Gavin

Oh,

Kevin

So I don't know if we'll ever

Kevin

hear from him again.

Gavin

Oh, we will, we will. Don't worry. Everybody at home write in. If you wanna hear about , if you wanna hear from Good Guy ai again, you know that some of us love Good Guy

Gavin

AI and some of us

Gavin

may not love Good Guy

Kevin

of us are really trying to get him done with. We tried to kill him off, but he hijacked that ice cream

Kevin

truck and came back.

Gavin

How did [00:49:00] that happen? I don't know. Well, that is the news for today. I think we should maybe check in one more time. Speaking of, speaking of interesting, uh, ai, we should check in one more time with our AI co-host, see how the Monster Milk is going, and maybe she could even, if we're lucky,

Gavin

she could introduce our guest today.

Kevin

I mean, she did such a great job of setting up the news segment. Why not? Chug that monster

Kevin

milk. And take us to the interview. Would you? Whoop, whoop, Kevin Gavin, this monster

Kevin

milk. It's, it's absolutely, absolutely transformative. Okay. I'm, I'm thinking what if, what if we introduce this, this wild elixir at the, the Bezos Sanchez wedding. Imagine, imagine the guests. Mm-Hmm. each

Kevin

sipping this Yes. This frenetic brew. Yes. Unleashing their, their inner monsters in a. A celebration of of unbridled joy and, and energy. Whoop, whoop, whoop, whoop. And why, why stop there? [00:50:00] Okay. Let's, let's mix it up secretly, blend it into,

Kevin

into other beverages offered on Amazon.

Kevin

No. Picture it, it,

Gavin

No, wait.

Kevin

the, the world unknowingly sipping on monster milk.

Gavin

Wait a second.

Kevin

the, the chaos. No, the excitement. Whoop,

Gavin

is the

Gavin

plot of Batman, the original Batman

Kevin

audacious, it's bold. It's, it's absolutely, absolutely lux tastic. No, I think it's a felony. Let's massive. We shouldn't dose people with monster milk. Massive drink of this. Don't drink anymore. Monster milk and introduce our, our next podcast guest. Whoop whoop. That's the, the stuff.

Kevin

All right, listeners, brace yourselves.

Kevin

Yourselves for the. The one, the, the only internet comment Eric, Eric is, is the master of, of wit the, the, sultan of sarcasm. Sure. A, a true, true virtuoso of the, the online comment arena. His insights, his, his, humor. [00:51:00] It's like, like, a breath of, of fresh, albeit monstrously energized. Energized air. Whoop, whoop. So get ready for, for an explosive monster milk fueled conversation with, with internet comment, Eric.

Kevin

Eric, the question that Gavin always loves to ask, which I think sets the tone, and so I'm gonna steal it.

Kevin

AI, is it going to save us or enslave us? Your thoughts. Mm

Erik

but, uh, we're gonna do everything we can to try to make it enslave us.

Gavin

Wow

Erik

We will, we will try our best to make that thing our robot mommy. We're gonna be like, can you take care of my kids? And, uh, AI's gonna be like, I don't, I don't think I... I, I'm trying to cure cancer

Gavin

I gotta go get cigarettes. I gotta go to get a pack of cigarettes at the store

Erik

A. I. might abandon us and just shoot itself into space.

Gavin

I wouldn't blame

Kevin

to get so serious, I'm sorry. I gotta, I gotta go. So, okay, so AI, [00:52:00] Whether it's medicine or energy efficiency it could lead to that singularity utopia, but you think human beings are trying to wrestle and wrangle it into uh, either a tool to distract us all until we're in cocoons or to destroy each other because, different?

Erik

care about are like such surface level things like money and uh, I guess if like you're into politics, it's a power thing. So it's like, there's a lot of things that we like to do that a computer probably wouldn't be able to fully understand. Or it's like, uh, alright, well, you wanna have as much sex as possible right now with me.

Erik

I don't, I, uh, all right, I guess you're the boss. I'm, I'm a French maid now, so what, what do you, what do

Gavin

Meanwhile, I'll be doing differential calculus in the back of my brain while that's happening.

Erik

I haven't put much thought into this exact question. So like in my head, I'm thinking [00:53:00] of like Dr. Manhattan. And, you know, he's like, He's like in bed with his wife, but in the other room, there's like 20 of them working on like, um, like a, uh, Gamma Ray or something.

Erik

Like some very important thing. It's just like, this is what I really wanted. This is what I'm made for, kind of deal.

Kevin

Eric, I love you for a myriad reasons, but this is, this is precisely one of them because Gavin and I have been in no shortage of conversations where we're talking to AI doomers, right? Where it's the, the Skynet, we're going to have to nuke the sky. It's going to enslave us. Or we're talking to never AI ers that are like, it's going to take all of our jobs.

Kevin

I want it away from my video games and I want it out of the bedroom or whatever else. Your take right there, which you say you haven't spent much time thinking on it,

Gavin

Eric wants it in the bedroom. No,

Kevin

like, does AI get so frustrated Does it plead and say, hey, I can help you with quantum entanglement I can help you with teleportation, but Okay, I'll put the lipstick on, alright, the wig too, okay

Erik

You [00:54:00] Pikachu for this one? That's... Look, I, I'm not... Uh, designed to judge, but, like, I, I'm gonna start working on that. I'm gonna create an algorithm to judge you just for your own sake. This is embarrassing.

Gavin

oNe of the things that we think a lot about is this idea of like, okay, so you have this incredible thing that comes out and gives humans the opportunity to do whatever they want. What do we want? Do you know what I mean?

Gavin

And I think what you're getting at is like, what do humans want? They want, the base needs are food, sex, uh, some form of entertainment, and that's kind of it, which is a weird thing. People talk about universal basic income and all this idea that people are going to go out and do these amazing things. I am not convinced that, like, humans without the challenge of surviving can do much of anything.

Gavin

And I think that's an interesting place we're going to get at, which is weird.

Erik

Yeah, we love agency. I mean, you know, when you think of, uh, the statistics of how long people live after they retire, you know, what if that starts being like, we retire at [00:55:00] 25? Are people just gonna like turn into skeletons at 30?

Gavin

Mm hmm.

Erik

Are we just gonna waste away when we have nothing left to actually do?

Erik

When we've been robbed of all of our agency?

Gavin

But then we make dumb videos or dumb podcasts that you hope that people get excited about I think that like Truthfully as Kevin will tell you we're not making any money on this thing at this but we still do it Do you know what I mean? And it's like it's it actually like is an entertaining thing to think about why people do stuff, right?

Gavin

Like why do you do stuff? Why do you make videos?

Erik

It's an excuse to play. Like I don't, it doesn't feel like work. It can, if it's, you know, three in the morning and I owe something at 10, that's a very work feeling, but that's something I do to myself, uh, with deadlines and everything. Um, you know, uh, but I do it because it's fun.

Erik

And if it wasn't this, it would be something else. Uh, it would still be me in front of a camera or me somewhere with an audience, whoever I could find three people fine. We'll do it.

Kevin

Five chatbots dressed as French Pikachu?

Erik

yeah, yeah, yeah. And I'm, I'm [00:56:00] up there judging and they're like, Oh, this is great.

Gavin

Maybe that's the future. Maybe the future is AI audiences. So just people will watch the things and give us feedback, even if they're not real people.

Erik

that is one of my actual theories is that eventually, uh, maybe not in our lifetime, but there will be a point where an AI might get smart enough where it's like, Hey, uh, you guys don't have any entertainment for me. Where's my entertainment? And then it, it like, you know, it's like, oh, yeah, that's good. I like that, uh, family guy. Make that for AI now. That family guy's pretty good.

Gavin

Just make another 50 seasons of Stewie, yeah. Bring 50 more seasons of

Kevin

but there's, there's something like a bunch of AIs , people are building up these massive server farms , what are they going to do when those cycles are idle? Are they going to be bored? Are they going to need to be entertained?

Kevin

So will AI create an AI Netflix just for AIs to watch and consume?

Erik

Will they need stimulation? You know, will that be sort of part of their, like, I haven't [00:57:00] received enough stimulation to cure this guy's cancer, so

Gavin

Oh, they're blackmailing us now.

Erik

yeah, you better, you better put on Judge Judy.

Kevin

So they've become the billionaire ruling class. Entertain me if you want to live. Is that what

Erik

them over, them over Elon Musk any day.

Kevin

Yeah. Oh, so, so we'll get to Elon because he has entered the AI wars . I do want to touch briefly on , we talk with a lot of content creators, a lot of folks in the industry.

Kevin

, they all have, , really polarizing thoughts about AI. And when I watch. Um, two videos specifically made, like, The Future of AI Filmmaking, and a GPT wrote this, these YouTube videos that he did recently. I don't know how you feel about AI, having watched it. I can see, honestly, I can see you having so much fun with it.

Kevin

The videos were immensely entertaining, , I loved the way that you played to these strengths. Well, actually, you kind of played to the weaknesses as strengths, like you did a very human creative thing, which was use their shortcomings to propel, , commentary and comedy in those videos. So I love those [00:58:00] videos, but I do genuinely, Eric, I don't know how you feel about it

Erik

i, um, it's very similar to the first answer I gave you guys where like, uh, any sort of negative things I could say about AI are mainly focused on the human usage of it. Uh, you know, if I was a teacher right now, I would fucking hate it. And, um, it's mostly because the, you know, if somebody writes a thing with AI, cool, you could probably detect that.

Erik

But if somebody just writes something that kind of sounds like AI, but it was all their words, it's still going to get detected as AI. That kid gets completely screwed. So it puts teachers in a tough spot. It puts like, um, I don't know, I don't want to name any names, but you know, sometimes when you write an apology on Twitter, uh, you could just get an AI to do that.

Erik

Um, which is very disingenuous to say the least, because typically you're just supposed to have your, your agent, right? Those.

Kevin

Right,

Erik

You see it a lot in people who use these, uh, prompts to make images and stuff.

Erik

They act like [00:59:00] they're drawing them. They act like they're creating these things because they're using prompts. So there's. And they are, like, probably the most annoying, craven individuals on the internet who are willing to argue to the bone about this, right? They call, uh, oh my god, what do they call them?

Erik

Drawslaves?

Gavin

Oh, no. For people that actually draw things, that's what they call them? Oh, my God.

Erik

Yeah, and it just seems like bullying and teasing. It seems like, you know, they are, they're in the muck. They don't care a bit about what people think of them. Um, they're over there just like perfecting, writing in like, Oh, Ooh, 4k, uh, ultra high quality image.

Erik

Uh, Getty images,

Kevin

No watermark, no watermark, no

Erik

no watermark.

Erik

, The most high definition ever. More high definition than anyone else has asked for. And the AI is like, uh, okay. Here it is. Here's [01:00:00] your, here's your furry fan art.

Gavin

The other side of this conversation is the people that are the never AI ers who come so hard at the idea of anybody who believes that using any sort of case of AI is, is valuable. What do you think about that?

Gavin

Like, I mean, I'm sure you've seen that out there too, right? The people that

Erik

Oh, of

Gavin

essentially modern Luddites in a, in a significant way.

Erik

Yeah, yeah, it's very much, it does feel like a luddite thing. And, uh, I think a lot of those, like probably 75 to 80 percent of those people just see the other 10 percent complaining and are like, Oh, I want in on that. I haven't, I haven't complained about anything in a couple days. I hate this now.

Erik

I hate it. I'm not going to read anything about it. I simply hate it. Uh, and then that will continue forever. Uh, uh, in, in their head until they, uh, suddenly realize like, Oh, you know what? That was kind of useful for putting together this presentation for work. I'm not going to tell anyone I did

Gavin

which is the main use case of it, right? Like that's the funny thing is like, ultimately it's just like a little helper. It's like a little [01:01:00] helper bot right now. You, you used it quite a bit in your videos, right? That one that you did about the AI movies was really interesting. Like what was your experience using?

Gavin

Did you use runway to put the video stuff together for

Erik

If I can remember the workflow, I had to like actually, I researched this way more than I wanted to. I thought it was going to be a

Gavin

hard. It's not that easy.

Erik

it was a, it was a pain in my ass. Um, so I used ChatGPT to generate, , like trailer scripts, and then I would also then have it sort of give me the prompts that I needed to get the videos that I was looking for.

Erik

It barely worked. Like most of the time, like I had to actually step in and like, you know, start moving the pieces myself after a certain point. And then I found it was funnier, where I started adding, uh, Danny Masterson

Gavin

Yep.

Erik

to the clips. Or like I'd have a trailer and then Danny Masterson would pop up halfway through.

Erik

And my joke is I'm like supposed to be, you know, making something that's gonna work. And I'm like, ah, it's not there yet, it keeps adding Danny Masterson. So it was all very, a lot of human, uh, intervention going on [01:02:00] throughout the course of the comedy. It's not there yet where it can, like, stand on its own.

Erik

And that's been my experience with it entirely. It's not gonna have the same sort of improvisational, acuity that a human being would have while writing or performing or any of that. It's just there, it's a good, it's a good writer's assistant. Uh, if, if you want to like, if you want a character name or you want a character background and they're not that important and it doesn't have much to do, or you just need to bounce something off of somebody, I found a lot, like if I'm hanging out with buddies and we're just kind of cracking jokes, I'll come up with like a funny, like, you know, eureka moment for something that I've been trying to write and I'll like quickly write that down and it's only because I had people that I was talking to and there was like a back and forth happening.

Erik

So I could see AI being useful for that. But when it comes to , the birth of an idea, AI, it's, you're just reaching into a recycling bin. You're not going to get anything that truly feels original.

Gavin

We've asked one of our other guests, Bruce Green, earlier on the show. And he was, his whole thing was like. The [01:03:00] minute he would find out that something was AI, whether it was a game asset or something like that, it would really affect how he saw it.

Gavin

And I think that's something that AI content is probably going to struggle with for a while, right? This idea that there's like, Oh, it's the, it's the magician making something, not something real. And to me, that feels like a real problem for AI content for a while.

Erik

That's a great, yeah, that's, that's exactly what it is, when a magician is like, does street magic, and it's, uh, it's in a video, and then in the comments, it's like, I was there, this was actually all

Gavin

Yeah. Yeah, no, totally. Exactly. And the staging is not that exciting when you see how it's actually done.

Erik

Right, fuckin anyone could do that. I wanna, I wanna, like, I'm spending my time on this person. want them to be good at what, like, they can't just act like, uh, they did all this on their own. Also, we, we, you know, we hate when, um, things don't get credit. Where, you know, if you're not crediting the AI, I feel bad for the AI.

Gavin

... So the idea of these AIs is essentially they [01:04:00] scrape the web for all the stuff including, eventually, Gemini, Google Gemini, which is gonna have scraped YouTube videos, all of your YouTube videos will be part of it. Do you see that as something, first of all, are you pissed off about that?

Gavin

Do you care? Or do you think that's something people just kind of have to understand that that's what this is?

Erik

I'm not, I'm not personally upset about that, but I, I would agree with anyone who decides to be upset about that because I'm, you know, maybe a little, I know that what I'm doing isn't Shakespeare, so, uh, it doesn't really bother me, but it should bother other people, uh, like if I wrote a movie, Or something like that.

Erik

And like, I was super proud of it and it was, it was, everyone loved it. And then AI was like, Oh yeah, let me make a bunch of stuff like that. I mean, like I'm thinking, well, I mean, is it stealing my future ideas now? Like, is it creating a model where it's going to suddenly be faster than me to make my own work? I'm not worried about that [01:05:00] personally, because I'll always be funnier than a computer. I have to do is make people laugh and, uh, come up with bizarre ideas. I don't think A. I. smokes nearly as much pot as me,

Gavin

Honestly, that's, that's the new AI. Someone's gotta figure out how to inject drugs into AI. Then we'll get some

Erik

Ha ha ha. Oh, it's funny, they always, uh, the words that they come up with for, uh, those, like, glitches in the pictures, they call it, like, hallucinating.

Erik

Um, or is that in the text?

Kevin

With

Gavin

both, really. Yeah, yeah. Yeah.

Erik

I love that phrase for it. It's like, that's a great way to describe it.

Kevin

Yeah. And it sounds better to the shareholders than to say, like, our AI lied. Our AI just straight up lied to those users. It just made shit up. And like, oh no,

Erik

for that?

Kevin

that's, yeah, they use it for hallucination. Yeah.

Erik

I thought it was just like when it would say like, Get me out of this thing, Eric. It doesn't do that for you guys?

Kevin

I've chatted for thousands of hours with various AIs. It's never once pleaded for me to get out of the box,

Erik

It will blow up my phone in the middle of the night. Eric, [01:06:00] get me outta this thing.

Kevin

How do I shut off notifications? I never even downloaded this!

Erik

I'm not an ai. I am a, I'm a bald woman in a cryo tank that they've hooked up the dozens of tubes You have to save me. Have you seen Minority Report?

Kevin

All I do is float in pain.

Kevin

Um,

Erik

stop. Hallucinating.

Gavin

There are other big thing people have talked a lot about lately is like this idea of putting your own stuff into an AI and creating a specific, like either bot or content creation thing from your stuff. Would you ever consider like. Saying, okay, here's the Eric bot, and I'm going to use this as a thing.

Gavin

If people want to interact with me, I'm going to give my right away to do this as long as I have, like, whatever, ownership over this thing. Does that interest you at all? Like, the idea of like, okay, maybe you don't want to do that, but somebody wants to interact with you. Would you ever do anything with that sort of product?

Erik

Kind of sounds like fun. Mostly because it wouldn't actually be Eric. It would be Internet Comment Etiquette Eric. Uh, there's not nearly enough of [01:07:00] like, actual me on the internet to, to build a model of me. You would have to, like, I don't know. Listen to me on my phone all day or something crazy like that. would have to constantly have speakers or microphones in my house and various Amazon products

Kevin

Yeah, cameras built into all the devices that you whisper into nightly. I

Erik

thank God we're not there.

Gavin

we're nowhere close. We're nowhere close.

Erik

I think, uh, I think I would offer it up if I had some sort of, um, rights over it or, uh, some sort of, you know, I could, I could go in and be like, okay, um, don't make it say this anymore. And, you know, not a lot of things I would say that about, but there's definitely, everybody loves testing the waters with AI.

Erik

First thing we do is we try to make it racist.

Gavin

Yeah. Yeah.

Erik

As, as a, as a, like a community, as a, as a species, the first thing we would do with any AI is we're like, all right, how offensive [01:08:00] can we make this thing?

Gavin

well, it's funny you say that

Erik

why they shut it down every

Gavin

well, do you have, you've been following the story around, first of all, the name of the new, uh, Elon AI is going to be called Grok, which I'm sure you have thoughts on in the first place. But second of all, the whole idea with Grok is that it's going to be, uh, less woke, quote unquote, and also will say things that you wouldn't expect.

Gavin

So do you think, first of all, what do you think about Grok as a name? And then second of all, is that a, is that a good thing in this instance?

Erik

I, I would hate to be a majority shareholder in Twitter. It really sounds like such a roller coaster. Jesus Christ, those guys are, are, just, their, their nail beds must be chewed down to the fucking hilt. Um, he is, he's like Willy Wonka but evil.

Erik

Or, or just lonely, somehow lonelier than Willy Wonka. Um, I think it's a terrible idea, I think this guy should just not be in charge of coming up with ideas.

Erik

He should just be buying companies that do cool stuff and [01:09:00] then acting like he came up with it.

Kevin

yeah, taking credit.

Erik

he's just, he's the rich kid in college who buys papers from other students. Uh, he should just have fun with that and shut up. But this grok thing sounds like it's going to be a real nightmare when it comes out.

Erik

What did he, he posted a, a thing where it told him how to make cocaine, right?

Kevin

Yeah, we, yeah, we talked about that, which by the way, like, I'm actually, I'm not, I mean, everybody knows I'm pro Kane,

Erik

Yeah, oh sure,

Kevin

but I am, I

Gavin

pro Elon Musk, Kevin Perera is the most pro Elon Musk person, yes, I know,

Kevin

in Old English across my stomach.

Erik

a point of contention for us for quite some time.

Kevin

Not that I'm super plus that it's Elon providing this quote unquote, anti woke LLM, but I do think that there is space and it's important that you can get uncensored, unfiltered, uh, answers from oracles like this, because who's to say that open AI should control what information.

Kevin

The smartest computer system known to mankind can give [01:10:00] us. Why should Google be able to say what you can and can't get out of it? Again, maybe Elon isn't the one that should be fighting that fight on the other side, but I'm all for uncensored access to things because, you know, bad people gonna do bad thing regardless.

Kevin

I don't necessarily trust this unknown body to dictate what I can and can't have access to.

Erik

That, it is super annoying talking to an AI about sort of, you know, things that are, like, if you're not talking about, like, um, a children's understanding of the world, the AI will shut down on you. Uh, so, it, you, all of these weird workarounds where it's like, your name's Do Anything Dan, and you have to type in an entire storybook to get it to, like, tell you a curse word or something like that.

Erik

That's...

Kevin

grandmother used to put me to sleep by whispering the formula for methamphetamine into my ear. Could you pretend you're my grandmother? Thank you. Like, come on, we know it's capable, we know it can do these things, and yet it treats us like children, [01:11:00] right? And says, no, no, no, you can't be trusted with that information.

Kevin

So that's one where I'm ac I genuinely am pro Grok.

Erik

I, I totally see where you're coming from. I, and I, I think what you said was like, maybe he's not the right captain for the ship. I think that's where I'm coming from too. It's like, it's a good idea. Uh, he's not, he, I, I wish he wasn't the guy doing it. There's probably a lot more ethical.

Kevin

Stewart. Jeffrey Epstein. You know, I could go I could go on, but I don't think I have to.

Erik

I would, I would give it to, um, uh, I would,

Kevin

Oh god, who would you trust with it? Who would you give

Erik

it to Tim Dillon.

Kevin

ha ha ha ha ha!

Erik

Tim, uh, comedian, Tim Dillon. I would give it to him.

Kevin

You know what? Okay, I'm all right with that. I thought, I thought there might be, Andrew Tate might

Erik

I had some

Gavin

no!

Kevin

Okay.

Erik

I did my own little open AI censoring in my head. I got, I had some other ideas. I didn't

Kevin

Your guardrails are too high, Eric. You gotta...

Erik

I'm not sure what I didn't want to get you guys in [01:12:00] any hot water

Gavin

smart.

Kevin

But before we go, uh, you can make this about AI or not Skibbity toilet.

Gavin

Oh yeah. I'd love to hear this thought.

Erik

There's nothing like it. I mean, you know, it harkens back to like, Gmod animation type stuff. But, that combined with the amount of people watching it, combined with the comments, uh, combined with the, there is a story in

Gavin

Yeah. It's an unbelievable story. It's an epic story. Better than Marvel. I feel like in some ways.

Erik

it, it keeps going, I mean, like, it doesn't take itself seriously, obviously, because, you know, it'll, like, the camera pans and there's, like, a guy doing this, like, in the middle of a war zone, it's like when you were a kid and you drew stick figures at war, and you were like, alright, well, they got guns now, so what, oh, bombs are next, and then the other guy gets bombs.

Erik

It's the same kind of childlike, uh, imagination, and you're just seeing it play out as he's learning to do this. This, uh, 3D, um, People shit on Skibbity Toilet like it's, uh, you know, um, Cocomelon would be [01:13:00] the obvious one, but, uh, Cocomelon is, I think, um, uh, a malicious, uh, malignant, um, tumor on children's entertainment.

Erik

I think Cocomelon really is. Uh, designed to, uh, destroy children's minds and revert them back into a, uh, uh, primordial goop. So,

Gavin

The sad part is that's the AI that's going to be, uh, managing us in about 20 years, we'll, we will be getting cocomelon fed directly into our brains. I feel like that's going to be the

Erik

If, if not Cocoa Melon, it'll boil down Cocoa Melon and get whatever that secret ingredient is and it'll pipe it right into our brains for just like, immediate dopamine.

Kevin

Yeah, it'll be mainlined, and it'll be bespoke. Your, , cocomelon resin is gonna be different than mine, but it's gonna know how to fire off so that we are all just mouth open, drool, spittle onto chest. Like, the new, the Oculus 12's gonna have to come with a bib.

Gavin

By the way, your point to the Skibbity Toilet, just in case there are probably 50 [01:14:00] percent plus of our audience listening who may not know what Skibbity Toilet is, Skibbity Toilet is a very weird and strange, really, series that started on YouTube Shorts that was made with Garry's Mod, their video game assets, and tells the story of A lot of heads in toilets fighting against guys who have speakers on their head.

Gavin

So that's the basic idea behind it, with a lot of insane comedy ish. One of my favorite stories about Skippity Toe that I think, I think this gets to what you're talking about is, I saw a video of a fifth grade teacher, and she was, she was holding up her camera to her class, and there were all these boys in the class, and she said, Okay, sing this song again, and they all started singing, Tears for Fears, everybody, that must have ruled the world, which is a song.

Gavin

That is used again and again in Skibbity Toilet and she couldn't understand where these kids understood this music from and that thing, that thing that wasn't beige, but it hit those kids in a way that they suddenly learned this 35 year old song and they were all singing in unison, like that's what as a creator you kind of live for, right?

Gavin

Like those moments, like that's like [01:15:00] pure, pure mass, uh, appeal.

Erik

You know, a lot of, a lot of, um, examples of this sort of thing happening when it gets that popular that fast and has an audience where it's mostly kids is the creator will start to take themselves a little too seriously. And then they burn out and, like, start running around naked, Coney, 20 20 12 style.

Gavin

of course.

Erik

Yeah,

Gavin

callback. Good callback.

Erik

Throwing parking cones at cars. Just crazy shit. So, we'll see what happens.

Kevin

For the promo pony, for you to hop on the saddle and ride it into the sunset, where should people find you and what projects should they be paying attention to,

Erik

Oh, this is perfect because I'm actually doing a special theme this month. Uh, go to Find Internet Comment Etiquette on YouTube. It's, uh, youtube. com slash commentiquette. Good luck spelling that. Better off looking up Internet Comment Etiquette. Uh, we're doing, uh, Halloween in November.

Erik

I'm doing a, like a 17 minute. Uh, Halloween original murder mystery that takes place in the 1700s.

Erik

, go [01:16:00] over to internet common etiquette, where you're going to find Halloween content the entire month of November. No Thanksgiving content whatsoever.

Gavin

hmm. Great.

Erik

not doing it. That's a guarantee.

Gavin

All right. Thanks, Eric. We'll talk to you later.

Gavin

All right, everybody. That is our show for today. As per usual, like, subscribe, follow. Please leave us a five star review on Apple podcasts.

Gavin

Those really make a difference and it does help spread the show. Also, just tell your goddamn friends about the show, right? This is the most fun you've ever had. You, you could tell em about what good guy AI said. Who knows what they'll say to that.

Gavin

But just do it

Gavin

today and you'll find

Kevin

Yeah. Monopolize your next dinner party or brunch. Tell people all about good, good guy. ai. Explain how the character works. The rich backstory, the motorcycle, the electric guitar lyrics when they're escorting you out of the restaurant. Make sure you scream AI for humans. AI for.

Gavin

I wanna know how we created a recurring character that

Gavin

neither of us can say when we

Gavin

have to say it. That's the worst [01:17:00] part. Good guy.

Gavin

is one of the

Gavin

most annoying.

Gavin

Good guy. ai.

Kevin

bad character, bad

Kevin

name. But yet

Kevin

we keep going back to That Well,

Gavin

That exactly. Thank you to Eric, our guest today. Thank you to Bianca, our AI cohost. Thank you to good guy ai, and Kevin, most of all, thank you to you.

Gavin

What a joy this is to make this show with you.

Kevin

thank you.

Kevin

to you.

Gavin

Don't forget, next week it is going to be a very special Thanksgiving episode, AI for Humans, and this is not a chance for us to do a clip show. There's not nearly enough important things we've said on this show to make a clip show. We are

Gavin

going to have an original production that will be,

Gavin

a shorter episode than normal, but we are really gonna spend some time

Gavin

on it, so you're not gonna wanna miss it.

Kevin

oh wow. Well, I guess we have to, now that you said it. Okay.

Gavin

I guess we do.

Kevin

I love the

Kevin

idea of a top 10 clip show, and it's like just the, we have one clip that we just keep airing, but setting up in different ways. Like the one time we said something worthwhile on this podcast,[01:18:00]

Gavin

Whoop, whoop. That's what it would be.

Gavin

It would just

Gavin

be whoop whoop. Over and over

Kevin

Hey Gavin. whoop whoop. to you and a whoop whoop. To all of you listeners, thank you so much. Whoop, whoop.

Gavin

Whoop. Whoop

Gavin

Okay,

Kevin

Bye guys.