AI for Humans

Google's Nano Banana 2 Just Dropped. We Tested It. We Have Notes.

Nano Banana 2 is Google's best image model yet and it just dropped. It's cheaper, it's smarter, and it removed an Adidas logo from a banana in a tracksuit on the first try. But we have notes. The Door Brothers and Logan Paul made a 15-minute AI movie with Seedance 2.0 that looks like a direct-to-vid

Show Notes

Nano Banana 2 is Google's best image model yet and it just dropped. It's cheaper, it's smarter, and it removed an Adidas logo from a banana in a tracksuit on the first try. But we have notes.

The Door Brothers and Logan Paul made a 15-minute AI movie with Seedance 2.0 that looks like a direct-to-video action film…KIND OF. Meanwhile Seedance 2.0 is now live in CapCut, Anthropic is in a standoff with the Secretary of War over a $200M defense contract, and a sketchy music site called Sonato is generating perfect James Brown and Nirvana tracks from text prompts.

Using that, Kevin vibe coded a custom AI Spotify mash-up that looks like an iPod. During the show. While apologizing.

Plus we built a whole new AI For Humans website from scratch with Claude Code, the stock market crashed because of an AI memo, and Deep Seek V4 might drop any minute now. Totally normal week.

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// Show Links //

Nano Banana 2 Launch

https://x.com/GoogleDeepMind/status/2027051577899380991?s=20

https://blog.google/innovation-and-ai/technology/ai/nano-banana-2/

Nano Banana 2 Window App:

https://x.com/sundarpichai/status/2027057726170509724?s=20

Complex Imagery:

https://x.com/emollick/status/2027051701258109306?s=20

Precise Editing of Adidas Tracksuit:

https://gemini.google.com/share/4d9ab1243d40

Failed at my Periodic Table test:

https: //x.com/gavinpurcell/status/2027058092824027238?s=20

Dor Brothers / Logan Paul 15 Minute Movie

https://x.com/thedorbrothers/status/2026733954942775433?s=20

Creator of Entourage Responds LOL

https://x.com/mrdougellin/status/2026801159282057666?s=20

Seedance 2.0 Updates

Now In CapCut?

https://x.com/charliebcurran/status/2026713011805946301?s=20

Lil' Hot Dog Video I Made In CapCut

https://x.com/gavinpurcell/status/2026751216139542733?s=20

Weights Leaked? Likely Fake

https://x.com/taker_of_whizz/status/2026749425851253095?s=20

Tom Cruise/Brad Pitt Creator Second Video:

https://x.com/RuairiRobinson/status/2026164263547793787?s=20

My Chicken Run 90 Min Example:

https://x.com/gavinpurcell/status/2025260426519609557?s=20

Energym by AI Candy

https://www.aicandy.be/giorgio-1

Citrini Piece Tanks Stock Market (Claude Code)

https://www.citriniresearch.com/p/2028gic https://www.nytimes.com/2026/02/25/business/citrini-ai-stock-market.html?unlocked_article_code=1.PFA.WBh9.KPcM171X5cU2&smid=url-share

Anthropic Use Growing Much Faster Than OpenAI or Gemini

https://x.com/deedydas/status/2027057965862432843?s=20

New Claude Co-Work Plugins For Many Disciplines

https://x.com/claudeai/status/2026305186671608315?s=20

Remote Control For Claude Code / Cowork

https://x.com/noahzweben/status/2026371260805271615?s=20

Scheduled Tasks in Cowork

https://x.com/claudeai/status/2026720870631354429?s=20

Fighting Vs The Pentagon Re AI Safety In War***

https://www.axios.com/2026/02/24/anthropic-pentagon-claude-hegseth-dario

Theo Replicates & OpenSources Frame IO

https://x.com/theo/status/2026794317197849001?s=20

Sonauto: AI Music With WAY Too Many Actual Voices

https://sonauto.a

Theoretically Media on Sonauto:

https://youtu.be/fK886jyF9Hw?si=DMbV4vikeD6y_jeP

DeepSeek v4 Trained on Blackwell Chips

https://x.com/niubi/status/2026111153617727843?s=20

New AI For Humans Website!
https://www.aiforhumans.show/

Transcript

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Kevin Pereira: [00:00:00] Nano Banana two has landed and Google's new image model is much better at editing. And

Gavin Purcell: it's way cheaper. Yes, but it is not perfect. And wait, what? What, what? What's happening right now?

Bananas: Oy. You see Google Drop Nano Banana Pro two. Those fools on AI for humans. Prob didn't even get early access.

Kevin Pereira: It is fine Google, we'll just sulk in the corner and we'll play with Ance 2.0 because we can't have your nice things.

Gavin Purcell: Speaking of Sance, this week, Logan Paul of all people and the door brothers lit Hollywood on fire with a 15 minute sea dance 2.0 video.

Dor Brothers Video: You're screwed buddy.

Kevin Pereira: Ance 2.0 is now available in cap cut here in the United States, and we will walk you through some of the best practices so you can maximize your means.

Gavin Purcell: Plus Anthropic seems to [00:01:00] be the AI company right now. As Claude drops new updates, uh, it might have tanked the stock market and CEO Dario Mote is getting into fights with the US Secretary of War,

Dario Amoedi: in my view, so close to these models, reaching the level of human intelligence.

And, and yet there doesn't seem to be. A wider recognition in society of what's about to happen.

Kevin Pereira: I can tell you all what's going to happen, Gavin. It's not that you see my assistant, Mr. Tibs is going to absorb all of my free time, and even then I will be lost to the permanent underclass. You see the final set?

Gavin Purcell: Kevin? Kevin, Kevin, Kevin. It's okay. It's okay. Deep seek V four. Might come out this week and just change everything all over again.

Kevin Pereira: Oh. Well, I guess. I guess that works. Also, we're in the golden age of vibe coding. I forgot about that. Thanks to Claude Coat. People are destroying billion dollar businesses like Frame io and maybe Spotify is up next.

Gavin, I'm gonna take them down on our show today.

Gavin Purcell: Wow. We also redesigned our website from scratch. We did. Yes, we did.

Kevin Pereira: What's that cute little clickable [00:02:00] smiley face thing? What is that?

Gavin Purcell: I'll tell you how I did this myself in about six hours and saved us some cash.

Kevin Pereira: It's actually kind of adorable.

Gavin Purcell: We are adorable.

Kevin, this is AI for humans. You know what you wanna be.

Kevin Pereira: Yeah. Finger Hearts.

Gavin Purcell: Welcome everybody, to AI for Humans, your Weekly Guide into the wonderful world of ai. We have amazing stuff. This week we have a new nano banana, nano banana two. We also have an incredible video from the Door Brothers we're gonna dive into and. All sorts of interesting new anthropic stuff. But Kevin, we're also gonna try something throughout the show regarding a new music model that's a little bit, let's call it sketchy.

Kevin Pereira: Uh, it's a super sketch. It might be shut down by the time you hear this, but I'm going to have my open claw assistant try to build us a custom Spotify that reimagine the top 100 greatest songs of all time. Okay? Uh, that's basically what I'm telling it to do, is to take the top 100 songs, [00:03:00] feed the lyrics in the artist into the machine, and give me back versions of the songs.

So that I can live like I'm in a bizarro dimension, basically. It's like, you know, you took the antenna for your radio and you tuned into some weird alien frequency, and that's why Elvis Presley sounds a little off. Or the Eagles sound like,

Gavin Purcell: okay, well hold on. Let's, let's just see what we get. Let's see what Mr.

Tibs does. So you're gonna send off Mr. Tbs. We're gonna come back with that later. But first Kevin, we have to talk about nano Bena two. This is Google's brand new image model. It just launched this morning. Uh, and we are very excited to play with it. We did not get early access as some other people did, but that's fine 'cause they did release it right away.

Um, there's some interesting stuff about this. I wanna say first and foremost, that in my initial experiences, it's very good. It's very good at editing images. And if you saw that video, the two bananas at the top, I originally created those images and both of those were then animated in sea dance too. But they had little Adidas.

Um, logos on their jackets. 'cause that's what it came out with. I asked for tracksuits C Dance would not animate those with the Adidas logo. So I went in and asked Ano Pro, oh [00:04:00] yeah, it was interesting. Just remove the Adidas logos and it did it perfectly. So. Even if nothing else is amazingly great about this, not a huge step up like that alone might be a big deal.

So some basics here, it's much better at reasoning, which is a good thing because uh, sometimes image models kind of suffer at that. It's also very good at creating storyboards, and this is something I will say as I've started to do more AI video generations, especially with CDN two. A hugely important thing when it comes to consistent characters throughout stories.

It is really interesting to see what you can create within these new AI video models. But if you don't have a consistent character story arc and you're trying to use image to video, it can be kind of a nightmare. Um, also another big thing they've done is infographics. There's some amazing examples of what's possible with infographics.

There's a great weather one, which I mean, who doesn't want a great weather infographic Plus.

Kevin Pereira: I will say that one of the interesting things about that is the fact that it can go and use all of the power of Google Intelligence to pull in accurate data. So it's not just like, make me [00:05:00] a cute chart in a Claymation style about the forecast in Palm Springs.

Here's the data. You could just say it and it will go out and crawl it and make the data accurate. Like that's

Gavin Purcell: Yeah,

Kevin Pereira: that's

Gavin Purcell: exactly right.

Kevin Pereira: World. Model understanding. Yeah.

Gavin Purcell: And, and Sudar. Phai. The Google CEO actually tweeted out a demo of an app they created called Window Seat, which is using nano banana two's world understanding to generate accurate views of any window in the world, which is a very cool kind of thing.

Now when they say accurate, it is accurate in the ai in the AI world. So we have seen some pretty cool examples of this. Um, Ethan Molik, as always is doing interesting stuff. He showed a very complex image of like kind of a Where's Waldo thing. That was pretty cool to look at, like when you see all the different stuff in there.

I tried to do something really complicated 'cause I keep always wanting to think, okay, what is hype with these models and what is not? And again, we did not get early access, so there's nothing stopping us from saying what is or isn't good. So Kevin, if you could look at my test. I tried to create. Uh, the periodic table of the elements, which is a lot of content.

Mm-hmm. And I tried to get each of them [00:06:00] to have an original emoji that represented that element. And you can see the first, the first time back, it was not great. Right. It only got like, even like four or five of the elements in there. And there's some mistakes in the text on there. Now granted, this is a lot of stuff I'm asking it what?

Tooth plant,

Kevin Pereira: diamond cactus. Those are all necessary basic building blocks of our universe.

Gavin Purcell: Yeah. I mean, it's. Trying to do like calcium and all that stuff. Like it's actually trying to figure out a way to kind of connect the dots there. But then I did actually upload it. Somebody said that AI studio is a better thinking model and to use it in AI studio, you do have to connect your API.

So I did that if thought for like a, you know, 130 seconds. It still was. Okay. So just know this isn't like. It's not solved image like complex images are not solved, but it is much better than it was before. And the most important part, Kevin, here may be it is much cheaper. So you out there maybe on the consumer side are just like you have a Google Gemini, uh, subscription.

If you are an API user, this is way cheaper than it was before. And the quality level is as good as Nana Banana [00:07:00] Pro. So that is one of the biggest updates here, I think.

Kevin Pereira: See, so which businesses, uh, just went outta business this morning? Or what's the new business that we should be looking at because of these new capabilities?

Gavin Purcell: Well, I mean, I think we're gonna talk about more AI movies in a second, but Google also updated flow, their AI studios. So there's a lot of companies that were funded as AI studios, and Flow is a really. Pretty terrible product. I will say my experience with Google Flow has been bad. That is how you would generate VO three videos before.

What they're trying to do is create an all-in-one studio and, and Kev, something happened this week. Actually, I didn't put this in the rundown, but I, I forgot to mention this, you know, runway is now offering all of the models, which to me was a moment of, oh, maybe runway realizes, or they're folding out a little bit of the race to get to the kind of state of the art model, and they're gonna become.

Another one of these cress or Higgs field, and again, this is no shade against runway. They've done incredible work so far, but like it might just be really hard to compete with the Googles, the open eyes and the by dances of the world, right? Because you [00:08:00] just don't have the money, right? You don't have the money to do it.

Kevin Pereira: Yeah, when they made that announcement, the number one comments were always, it was all like, oh, capitulate much or way to, yeah, way to wave the, the, the white flag. But look, I'm sure they're still cooking on something that's unique for them or some unique tool, but yeah, to your point, maybe you just let others try to win the foundational model race and you bolt on an incredible interface or some crazy plugins.

Yeah, exactly. That. Do incredible things with those models that might be. The way to go,

Gavin Purcell: although we will talk about this later, those interfaces and plugins are very vibe codeable now, right? Like we'll talk a little bit about what you can do and how you can make that stuff. And when I say that it's hard to imagine a company, I, again, it's not shared against runway, but runways I think taken in a lot of funding.

I think they're valued in the billions of dollars. It's hard to imagine them like be getting a lot of extra value out of that stuff. But again. Maybe it is. Um, I do wanna say one more thing before we move on, and it's time for Benchmark Boys. Benchmark Boys are Back because the, uh, nano Banana two is the number one [00:09:00] image model in the artificial analysis, uh, benchmarks.

This is a big deal in some ways because it just means that the experiences people have prior to this launch, it was launched as a test, is very good. Go try it yourself. Nano Banana two is live in Gemini right now. You can actually go use it right now and have some fun with it.

Kevin Pereira: Yeah. So for those, hearing that, where do they actually go?

Do they go to ai studio.google.com? Do they go to Gemini slash experience?

Gavin Purcell: You go to both, Kevin, you go to both. Because it's available in both. It is available to you in Gemini. But if you are an AI studio user, which is kind of Google's specific, you know, kind of. Almost like their vibe coding studio. Yeah, you can definitely, I think, make sure that you're activating that thinking model.

Now, if you're a Gemini Pro user where you actually pay for Gemini, there is a dropdown menu where you can go to pro generations. So I would encourage you to do that. Um, but go try it today. I mean, this is one of those things. It's a new image model and according to Google, it is a full level up from the previous one.

I kind of think this feels like an incremental change. The editing [00:10:00] part is really good. The cheaper part is really good. The actual creation of of photos seems. Fine.

Kevin Pereira: You sent me an AI for Humans poster, which, uh, at first glance the thumbnail was, oh wow. This is like a generational leap. Yeah. And then when I actually double clicked and looked at it a little bit closer, I was like, oh no, there's still some very.

Like some telltale stuff going on, but the layout of the AI for humans AI poster, the theatrical experience is, is actually pretty good.

Gavin Purcell: Yeah. I mean that the goal here would be is like you put a prompt like that in, which was like, make a poster about the podcast AI for humans and make it cinematic you, it, it, design wise it was fine.

It did eventually get my, it made me look very businessy, which of course is probably 'cause of my, my picture that exists out there that I It's your most popular headshot. Yes, yes, yes. My popular headshot. What it didn't do is what it people are kind of purporting that it should be able to do is get all the text right, right.

Or, and there were some mistakes in the text again, and like this is the sort of thing that like, that's the next level. What that will come is when you never see mistakes in text. Now again, it's the same way with hallucinations. Maybe you'll just see them [00:11:00] always, but if you. Are. If you continue to lower the bar where you're seeing less and less of them, I think it's gonna be much more useful.

Speaking of raising the bar, Kevin, we just switch over to talk more about Ance two. So actually if you missed it. Yeah. So I use Ance 2.0 to generate that banana video. We're gonna talk a little bit more about some of the stuff I did with Ance two, but this week the Door Brothers who are well well-known, AI video creators partnered up with the Paul Brothers who are well-known, internet, uh uh, I wanna be very, uh, cautious.

Your word, well-known internet. Uh, rap Scion, should we call them? They're www

Kevin Pereira: superstars. They're, uh, expert fight makers and knee takers. Yes. I mean, really.

Gavin Purcell: So they, they partnered up and they made a 15 minute movie called I'm a Good Guy. Logan Paul actually tweeted this out. He is definitely involved and his brother's involved list too.

Um, this is 15 minutes of what I would refer to as completely passable. Direct to video quality film. Now many people out there, this became a very divisive thing because the DOR brothers, [00:12:00] as per usual, did a tweet that said something like, we took seven days to make a $300 million movie. And I'm sorry if you have spent $300 million on something like this, you have made a big mistake.

But you could have spent $5 million conceivably on something like this. And I will say it's 15 minutes. My response to this, I, I wanna hear what you thought, but my response is there's way too many fight scenes. The biggest problem I had with this more was, in fact, by the way, I really cool visuals in this.

Like, I thought all the visuals of the, the, there's a bunch of these kind of guys that all look the same, and when they kind of fall over, it looks great. The biggest issue I had with this was writing and editing Kevin. It was like it could have been written and edited better, right? Yes. Like, if that was better, like it actually would've been super compelling.

Kevin Pereira: It's so funny that I, like I saw the, the tweet storm that was fired off when you had mentioned your thoughts on this video.

Yeah.

Kevin Pereira: And that, that to me was also the takeaway. It wasn't like, oh, the, the characters don't look consistent or the emotion in the actresses face. Isn't believable in scenes or the dialogue is clunker.

Anything else? It had nothing to really [00:13:00] do with the tooling. It had to do more with the, uh, the artist human element of assembling those tools and getting the product out. And that is like, I think it's still a watershed moment for. Generative art, like this is again, forest for the trees. If people are looking at this and going like, oh, well it wasn't the most entertaining thing.

It's like the, the goalposts have really been moved for AI

Gavin Purcell: cinema. Yes. I have this bet with a couple friends of mine about, uh, AI video and like kind of when there would be a hit AI video and to me this is like a huge benchmark. On the way into that space, we are talking about 15 minutes of consistent quality.

Could you edit it down where there are a couple places where it wasn't as good? Yes. But this was 15 minutes of actual footage. And to be clear, yeah. This is not the, the, the machine did not generate 15 minutes of this. This was generated in many pieces and then stitched together. Right?

Jake Paul: You know, this is nothing compared to the time I fought Tyson.

I know.

Once we get this guy, people are finally gonna see us for who we really are.

Dor Brothers Video: Yeah. As the good guys. And then they'll finally stop trying to kill us. [00:14:00] That would be nice. It would be, imagine all the merch we could sell. The good guy's action figures. The good Guy T-shirts,

Gavin Purcell: the creator of Entourage, Doug Ellen, uh, who is on Twitter at Mr.

Doug Ellen actually tweeted about this video, which is a, a really interesting response to me and kind of gets to the point, what we were saying before, he said, looks kind of good, but could. But could not be more bored by, this lasted about 80 seconds. If this is the future, reality TV will be mine. So I, I think, again, this is not, he's talking about being bored.

That's not the fault of the AI video model. Correct. Right. Correct. That's the fault. And also like

Kevin Pereira: a

Gavin Purcell: storyteller,

Kevin Pereira: we're not talking about the future. We're talking about what was released days ago. Yeah. We're talking about the present. Exactly. People are already right now working on the future. So yes, that is important to keep in mind.

But again, if the takeaway still is that taste and the human artistic element are what are going to be the differentiators, then great. Great for everybody that's looking at this going, well, I could make better and I could do better. Great. Please do.

Gavin Purcell: So let's talk about Ance 2.0 and [00:15:00] some of the stuff that's happened over the course of this week.

And I actually got some time to make some stuff that I'm gonna show in a second here. First and foremost, it is available now in cap cut, which is, uh, an interesting thing. You have to pay per gen. You if you're a paid cap cut user, you get a few actual, uh, things to show. Um, there's a lot of great people that are already making things, but I wanna show Kevin this little video that I made within cap cut to kind of demonstrate that it's live in cap cut.

So play that here real fast.

Kevin Pereira: Okay. The hot dogs are out of the bath and on the hardwood floor. Yes.

Gavin Purcell: Yeah. So if you notice the very end of that, it says cap clut, which made me laugh, like it's not actually cap cut, so it got most of it right. But they did jump outta there and they fell on the floor. Kevin, there's another big story around this that supposedly, and I think that there's a lot of debate whether or not this is real.

It is from the taker underscore [00:16:00] of underscore wiz Twitter handle, that the weights were leaked for this. And, and Kev, do you wanna explain what that might mean and what kind of implications that might have?

Kevin Pereira: Yeah. When these models get trained, it's, you know, it's all about proximity of one thing to the next.

It could be a word to another word, a character to another character. A pixel to a pixel. It's like those are the, the, I'm distilling greatly here, but the, the weights are what? Uh, allow the model to predict the next image, the next word, the next whatever. So here, basically, if these weights were released, if they got leaked, then conceivably someone could make their own front end and access their own model using these weights.

So. You know, look, we talked a lot about Hollywood going after China and saying the cease and desist, and we're gonna sue to oblivion and maybe sea dance will react to that and play nice, and they'll figure out a business model or whatever. But if the code gets out there and a hacker community, an open source community can go take and do what they want with it.

Yeah. There's no stopping, there's no censoring, there's no guard railing. So conceivably you could [00:17:00] generate anything. Yes, that was trained into this data set, and that is a, that is wild, if that is

Gavin Purcell: real. Yeah. Well, and we should talk about that, like, you know, there's a lot of conspiracy theories going on around the fact that like China releases themselves so they can kind of destroy Western, uh, entertainment.

But I do wanna say one thing that was a lot of debate, rather, that Tom Cruise versus Brad Pick clip was real. And I wanna show the creator of that clip, like basically said it is real. And he, he made a second video to kind of respond to that.

Kevin Pereira: Wait a second. That blogger guy really thinks this text to video generation needed a video input.

Chickens: What? This doesn't even make sense. Yeah. He's saying the model has like a database of clips being loaded to drive the motion instead of just training the model in those videos and generalizing the motion and the model itself. Oh, sounds dumb. Anyway, wanna get back to fighting? Sure. Anyway, he was a good man.

Gavin Purcell: Crazy. Alright, Kemp, do you wanna tell, make sure people, we tell people what we just saw there just in case they're not, they're not, uh, watching the show,

Kevin Pereira: I mean, we saw, uh, I mean we definitely saw Ryan Reynolds and then, I don't know. Yeah, I wasn't true. That other

Gavin Purcell: guy is,

Kevin Pereira: he's somebody

Gavin Purcell: famous. Tell us in the comments somebody.

We're [00:18:00]

Kevin Pereira: Ben Andrew Tate. It's, that's the mashup. It's Alpha Affleck. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He's trying to sell us on a new token, but it is, I think that's who it is. I dunno who the voice is necessarily, but it's like a a, a Ryan Reynolds person. Yeah. A Ben Affleck, uh, Tate character. They're on a rooftop. Yammering about, uh, yeah, about how you could make this without needing to film actors on a green screen.

Like it's phenomenal.

Gavin Purcell: So I got some time to play with this this week, and I got into the cap cut, uh, creative program and, and spent some time playing. It's actually really amazing. It is frustrating, like all other AI video that like you have to wait for outputs and you have to spend some time. But I will say.

It is doing stuff in the edits that is unlike anything I've seen before. I wanna play this thing that I made in 90 minutes. Kevin, if you follow me on X, you might have seen this already, but this is a video. I just came up with an idea. I made it over the weekend, like in, in 90 minutes in the morning, and then I just put it out.

So play this. I think it, you know, it's pretty short. We can probably play the whole thing.

Music: Sometimes things aren't all there clucked up to be.[00:19:00]

Kevin Pereira: Okay? So the the, the chickens have come home to roost. Things are not. Always as they're clocked up to be. I love the egg laying in the middle of Manhattan. That's delightful. Um, the process for this, Gavin, this was all text to video.

Gavin Purcell: This was all text to video. Um, there's a variety of different things that are better and worse with it.

I have found that text to video is really good. The one thing to be aware of is that. CD Dance 2.0 has an omni model, which is better than Clings Omni model, which you can just drag stuff into and it will kind of try to make its best version of this. But this was all text to video. I wasn't trying to keep like, you know, one character the same throughout it.

That helped a lot. But I will say also the fact that I was able to. String together. This many clips was pretty impressive. And again, most of this was first generation. I wasn't doing stuff multiple times. Right. A [00:20:00] lot of this is editing. You know this, and I know this, like, like, it's not like this stuff all kind of comes together on its own and magically gets connected.

I edited it. I picked pieces of shots that were off one another. If you look at that tweet that I put up, you'll see I, I opened up a couple other, uh, shots where there were definitely bad AI video stuff and you have to trim that off. I added the voiceover from 11 labs. I added a music track. Like all that stuff is added.

And so you get a sense of like, if you think of AI video and it's something like Ance two is the, the kind of next level of it. If you think of it as like the con, the kind of footage that might come into you from the field shoot. Your job as the editor then is to kind of take that stuff and make the best version of it.

So that's kind of what I think this gov's a good example of it. There's a lot of interesting, like really good prompting tips out there already. Alex Prompter has some good tips. Involving like cinematic words and things like that. I also, Kevin, I wanna play one more thing that I made, that I sent you last night, and I think this is a good example of why the Hollywood might be so mad, but also what makes it so interesting play just that clip of the polar [00:21:00] bear in the bar, because that's kind of what I'm working on right now.

Music: I was supposed to be on vacation, Ralph. I am not the one who left you, Freddy.

Kevin Pereira: Okay. So I know we're gonna get into some like good prompting tips, but how did you get George Clooney outta the machine? Did you spend five hours fine tuning that?

Gavin Purcell: So here's a couple things about this. So if you're just, if you're just listening, what that is is a.

Very kind of interesting looking polar bear in a Hawaiian, uh, shirt sitting at a bar and he, the acting Kevin, is the thing that I am so impressed by, like the acting, I did not ask for it to be this, but it kind of implemented this idea of what the idea of the words were gonna be. That that bear was gonna say it, had it wait for a second and kind of grabbed the glass and kind of tin the glass, is the kind of thing you would do if you were nervous.

The fox I prompted. So there's two shots. There's a polar bear and a fox. The second voice is a fox, and I prompted [00:22:00] as anthropomorphic animals, right? I didn't say anything about the fantastic Mr. Fox. I did not say anything about that particular idea of a fox. But yeah, if you look at this video, it is very clearly, if not influenced directly by a complete lift of the Fantastic Mixer Fox.

And. As the voice of the fantastic Mr. Fox in the movie, the Fantastic Mr. Fox by Wes Anderson. George Clooney was the voiceover artist for that movie, right? So what is interesting, and in some way in its system, it is making the connection between Anthropomorphic Fox, fantastic, Mr. Fox and George Clooney, and giving me this performance.

Which by the way, is a very good performance. It'll say like, it's good performance. Yes. It's a very good performance. So, so the thing that I take away from this model in general so far after having spent some more time with it, is it is very capable. You should definitely be spending time understanding what it can do.

And I think the acting part of it is the thing that kind of keeps shocking me, which you also saw in the Logan Paul video.

Kevin Pereira: Yeah. So, okay. So prompting tips wise, I mean, there's a few people that have done guides and whatnot. Um, what did [00:23:00] you discover? What is actually working? I've seen things like Al always add cinematic or 4K to something.

Yeah. Because that seems

Gavin Purcell: to

Kevin Pereira: make cinematic, make things look better.

Gavin Purcell: Cinematic actually makes a difference. The word cinematic, one thing that does get frustrating, they have put guardrails on it, and sometimes you just won't understand what it is. So you kinda have to go through and poke around. I have found, like I said, text to video with the omni model actually is much better than trying to do.

Image to video. First and last. One thing that worked with this polar bear thing that is really fascinating that I think people should try if they get access, you make a clip and then when you make a clip, you actually grab that clip and use that as the omni model. 'cause the omni model can take video stills.

Audio, all sorts of things. So I basically take the 15 second clip, give it to that and say like, okay, we're gonna, this is the, this is the thing you're using to work off of. And it mostly gets it. Right. Now I'll say one thing that's happening, and we'll see when this polar bear video comes out is over course of this video.

The polar bear is getting much dirtier. He still wears a Hawaiian shirt, but his fur is getting much grayer and [00:24:00] dirtier. So I think it is like, well,

Kevin Pereira: spending a longer time at the bar. There's a pass at the time. I mean,

Gavin Purcell: yes,

Kevin Pereira: when I had my Red Bull and uh, vodka phase. I knew that, you know, by 3:00 AM I was similarly covered in weird substances and grime.

Gavin Purcell: yeah, there's been some other amazing videos that drop. Before we move on, we should show this energy, uh, video from AI Candy. This is an AI studio. Watch this.

Old Elon: By 2030, almost 80% of people, um, had lost their jobs.

Music: They had no money, no purpose, but they had a lot of time on their hands. The less people actually did physical work, the more they wanted to appear as if they did.

Old Elon: What if we could use the energy of humans to power the machines? I

Gavin Purcell: mean,

Old Elon: again,

Kevin Pereira: the, the Sam Al, uh, old, old Musk and Bezos, great. But Sam Altman, chubby.

Gavin Purcell: Chubby Samal. I love Chubby Sam moments. You again, love that. Go watch that. We'll drop it in our show notes and it's super fun. Kevin, you know what else we're gonna drop in is a new website that we have made mostly because we are here [00:25:00] for you, everybody.

That's right. AI for humans each week is here to do stuff for you and to make things for you. Go to our new website, but first and foremost, like and subscribe. This video, we are gonna talk about how I made that website later, but more importantly, we need you to like and subscribe our YouTube channel.

This is how we grow every week. We try to kind of come out with new things and work on new stuff. Kevin, our Patreon tears are kind of heating up a little bit too. I'm very excited about that. And as always, our discord, please stop in our discord too. So if you're out there, come join us at AI for Humans Show and all the links are there.

Kevin Pereira: Yeah, go click on the new site. Browse around. Really have a time with it and make sure you subscribe to the newsletter as well. 'cause Gavin's been pouring his heart and soul into that thing and the line is going up. We want it to go up steeper. Make it something I would tumble down if I was looking at my phone and trying to walk up.

Please. And thank you all very much.

Gavin Purcell: Kev. Speaking of that, speaking of making things, we should talk about anthropic because. We have been talking about anthropic quite a bit over the last month or two, and ever since the kind of cloud code moment from the [00:26:00] December moment, we have entered into kind of anthropics world.

I saw a stat that really shocked me, which was. That Anthropics growth is like outpacing chat GPT and OpenAI by three to six times right now, which in, in the last month. Which makes sense because people are finding Opus 4.6, they're finding cloud code, they're finding all this stuff that's really interesting.

Another viral piece hit over the weekend from a financial investment group called Citri Citri, and it was all about how. We were able to do all this stuff and make all these new pieces of software that the, essentially the economy would crash. And this article ostensibly about kind of cloud code and all the stuff people are making right now did crash the stock market on Monday.

There was about a huge correction. So anyway, I'm curious to know kind of how you see what's going on with philanthropic right now. Obviously we get into more stuff that's going on there, but do you feel like they're starting to kind of maybe, I don't wanna say win the race, but they're at least pulling even.

Kevin Pereira: Yeah, I mean, look, uh, Google released a brand new model last week, which by, by all accords is a phenomenal [00:27:00] foundational thing. And I'm still overwhelmed. The granted anecdotal, my bubble within a bubble, but I'm overwhelmed with new Claude Code this and new that. Yes. And even though Open AI's Codex model is also their latest one, phenomenal, really good, I actually use it to sanity check.

A lot of Anthropics work 'cause I use CLO code as my daily driver, but that's what I'm driving too. I still use Anthropics models. Yes. For most of my stuff because it seems like every other day they've got the machine helping build the machine. It seems faster than, than most, and their releases, like all the tooling that they have is just more impactful for my.

Daily usage now. Um, cowork has a bunch of new features that is driving towards this like age agentic future where you can connect it to all of your things and run HR

Gavin Purcell: plugins. We don't have to deal with HR anymore. Kevin. We have HR plugins. That's, sorry. HR people. I'm sure you're out there listening. I don't, I, I love you HR people.

You do good work. But there are plugins now for.

Kevin Pereira: Yeah, so like, look, the, the, the Rinni memo, it was, it's [00:28:00] interesting to me because, uh, and this isn't like shattering my hand, patting myself on the back or, or you or this podcast, but I'm like. We, we've been new as the kitties say. Yeah. Yeah. Um, like th this is, uh, it was, there was nothing in there.

It was presented in a very interesting, elegant way, a memo from the future about how we ended up in that future. I, I totally get why that presentation was great, but like, o of course. Of, I mean, Sam Altman has been out there himself saying, for years, AI is gonna be a better CEO than anybody else. So if you were, if you were sitting back or you're sitting on the sidelines and going, well, okay, it's coming for legal review, or it's coming for hr, or it's coming for the storyboard artist, or whatever.

I'm good though because I'm the idea orchestrator, or I'm the one who runs the thing. I keep the trains all time. It's coming for you as well.

Gavin Purcell: Yeah, exactly.

Kevin Pereira: Like that's, I feel like that has been known, but maybe it just hasn't been.

Gavin Purcell: Well, here's what I'll tell you. There's been a lot of people who've kind of dismissed this idea because the whole memo and the, and the crash of the stock market was based on this idea that, you know, [00:29:00] essentially if, if, if people start making these things and code gets automated, there's no need to really pay for these large companies to do stuff.

Right. Which I think in some ways people were like, oh, these large companies will exist. I think the, there's a, there's some counters to it, which is like the more that people make this stuff, the more new things that will come along. The thing I keep coming back to, which is to your point, is. I do think you're gonna see like three corpo states, right?

Like that's what we're approaching. Like there's a lot of sci-fi that has like these Corpo states where there's like these three major corporations, if you know, like any cyberpunk stuff. That's kind of where it starts at. My thing is like, well, you do have to figure out a way to pay for all these other people to have this kind of like life where they make podcasts or they do all this stuff to kind of entertain people.

And I don't know if every single person's gonna become an entrepreneur, right? And we should say very quickly, like Claude is shipping like crazy. They're shipping. New cowork plugins. Like Kevin said, there's a remote control for CLO code that's coming, so you can do your CLO code when you're walking around and keep it going, which for some people is good.

Some isn't scheduled tasks for Cowork, which is kind of their version of what you could do with open [00:30:00] Cloud. Basically, you'd be able to schedule it ahead. Yeah, I think this is all really interesting because what it's doing is. It's kind of elevating that feeling you had a couple weeks ago in me at least, which is, oh, I now have to do, I have to be coming up with new things and doing new things all the time.

'cause if I don't, I am gonna get stuck in the m underclass. I am gonna get stuck in a place where I haven't made something for myself, but I, I just think it's all gonna move so fast. And, and again, we've said this on the show for years when we hit this time, and I think we are in this time now. It is going to move very fast, right?

Yeah. So 2026 and 2027 are going to be crazy years.

Kevin Pereira: If there are, if we're lucky and there are more than four, let's say there are six mega cores, as we're talking about that own all of the intelligence and everything requires that intelligence on demand, constantly humming, building, creating, crafting, whatever, we're all gonna be beholden to one of those six providers.

We'll all be paying them for intelligence to lead our daily lives or run our small [00:31:00] businesses, which makes. Little sense in that case because they could just run our businesses. Yeah. Who's

Gavin Purcell: gonna run that business? Yeah.

Kevin Pereira: Yeah. Like whatever. Right. Yeah. Who, who has any credits or tokens left to buy any of the things Yes.

That are powered by internet intelligence? Yes. And you know, are we really ready to have those discussions about like, so many people don't like it's a gift to like your job? Yeah. There are a few people that actually like what they do for a living, and most people like they eek through their days. To get enough whatever, so that they can have a roof and have food and then go enjoy their family and friends or their hobbies or whatever.

Are we really ready for the other side of that discussion, which is, you know, the you that might not be how you're able to define yourself in the future?

Gavin Purcell: Well, I mean, it's so interesting.

Kevin Pereira: What are we gonna do?

Gavin Purcell: Yeah, I mean, this is an interesting thing. So I will say just a personal kind of note, like last four years doing this has been great and it's given me a thing that I do, and then I have all these other weird jobs that I do for my money.

I used to have a job that I would spend 80 hours a week at, and I knew one thing that I did. It is a little [00:32:00] bit of trying to figure out like who you are and what you wanna be, right? So anyway, we're in this crazy change time. I also wanna say like there's a big story going on philanthropic this week that there might be news on.

Literally, as you're watching this, anthropic is in a battle with the Secretary of War over the use of Anthropics models in defense. Yes, and this is a big deal, Kev, because Anthropic is really the only model, the only company that is pushing back on the defense department. And it sounds like on the defense department side.

Andro is the model they want to use, which also should tell you a little bit about where Anthropic space in the world of coding is. This feels like it is gonna bubble up. Now, the thing that is at risk here is a $200 million Department of Defense contract, and the argument is that Anthropic is saying. We don't want to go back on our promises not to use these, this tool for war.

And Kevin, I read something really interesting today, which is saying that like some of the people inside Anthropic and outside think it's really important to stand strong on this because future [00:33:00] versions of Claude will watch what this decision that was made this week about from philanthropic and will then know going forward.

How to, how to respond, which is a weird science fiction thing to put in your brain, but Broel

Kevin Pereira: gaslight them and let them know that this actually was never, that never happened,

Gavin Purcell: never was real. It's

Kevin Pereira: fine. They're the good guys and it's okay. Yeah. Look, this is a like, uh. I am for, and this, I don't mean for this to get political, but there's no way to avoid it, right?

Yeah. You can't

Gavin Purcell: avoid it, really. Yeah.

Kevin Pereira: I, I would love a, a, a healthy government regulation of industries so that we get our clean air and our clean water, and our clean food and our safe medications and blah, blah, blah. I, I would love for that. I would also love for them this to not like metal with a private business and say, you have to work with us in ways that.

You don't want to. Yes. People get really upset if like a cake maker has to make a cake for someone that they don't wanna bake a cake for. Right. Yeah. Well imagine that. But with guns and drones and extinguishing human lives, so like. Yeah,

Gavin Purcell: I have a counterpoint. I have a [00:34:00] counterpoint. My FA finger point. A finger point, point me.

This is counterpoint. You're my counterpoint. And by the way, I agree with you, especially this government. You people out there know we are living in a chaotic time. I know there are probably some people who don't agree, but I think Kevin and I both think that this person in charge is not doing a great job.

The big issue I have right now is that there is a coming time, and this isn't all of the AI science fiction that exists out there, AI 2027, whatever, where AI models, as they get better, there's going to be a push to nationalize them. So we are gonna do some serious talk here. This is some government talk, but.

When you nationalize something, when you make it a national thing, that means the government kind of takes over control of it. Now, the downside of that would be is like obviously they're gonna get in the way. It's gonna slow away down. There might be a lot of things happening there. The good side of it is, is that the government then owns, or, or at least shares in the profits of the thing being made.

So there's a big conversation that's gonna come up here. Uh, on the other downside though, when you nationalize something like ai. You can weaponize it, you [00:35:00] can do all sorts of things. So it is a big thing that's kind of in this conversation right now. And yeah, I think it's good if Anthropic pushes back.

Supposedly they have changed their kind of like safety manifesto just internally right now. I don't, I don't know if that's for sure, but this is a situation to monitor because it is not just about right now, it's really about the next, you know, 10, 20, 30 years of the AI space.

Kevin Pereira: So is the pushback that. The pushback is nationalization is is good or it's going to happen anyways, so let's go there.

I'm just trying to,

Gavin Purcell: what I'm saying is I think that there's a real world that nationalization of AI is going to happen, and I think the important thing to realize right now is that like, it kind of depends on what government it happens in and who's running the government at that time for what that's gonna mean for our country and for the future of ai.

Kevin Pereira: Look, they, there's plenty of providers that could go, uh, nationalize. I have a feeling one is probably launching satellites right now, that they're gonna be, uh, shaking hands with very firmly. I also wonder, by the way, Gavin, and I've seen this, this isn't a necessarily an original thought, but I'll put a little, a little sauce on [00:36:00] it.

Um, is this all a, a, a public display so that, um. They can look like they're the good guys and they're being forced into it. That who?

Gavin Purcell: Philanthropic?

Kevin Pereira: Yeah. That, that you have Oh, interest. Interest because like Google's in bed with them, like, right. Google's invested, Amazon's invested. I don't, so they're gonna play nice.

Is this like a, Hey, we're gonna do a public stand here, but then privately models get used anyways or get, uh, get, get sourced by other

Gavin Purcell: investors? I very possibly, I mean, it's possible. I guess the good thing is like philanthropic, if any of the companies has always been like semi true to their ideals, right?

They left open ai. For the exact safety reasons, like the and, and so the question will become, where does that shift happen eventually? Do you have to do more stuff? Alright, Kevin, another huge story this week. Deep seek V four is the thing that keeps lurking around the world of AI in general. Yeah. Um, this is the Chinese, new Chinese open source model.

We've been expecting it, it has not happened yet. No one really knows why it hasn't happened yet because it's been kind of very much something that's on the [00:37:00] precipice. We also talked last week about how. These larger AI companies seem like they're trying to get ahead of a deep seek launch. Who knows? It could have come out when you see this video.

The big thing though that did come out was a story from Reuters that said Deep Seek V four has been trained on NVIDIA's Blackwell chips without authorization, which shows they weren't supposed to do it, but supposedly it has been trained on the highest level chips. We can expect something pretty big to come out of deep seek, I assume, in the next week, few days to a week.

Kevin Pereira: Uh uh oh. They would just put a tariff on an LLM. Can we do that? Did we just do that?

Gavin Purcell: Yeah, sure. We can put it, yeah, we just did that.

Kevin Pereira: Hey Gavin. Hey Gavin?

Yeah.

Gavin Purcell: Yeah.

Kevin Pereira: Hey, Gavin.

Gavin Purcell: Okay. Whatever. Kevin West. You wanna move on Gavin? Yes. Yeah, sure.

Kevin Pereira: What? Hey Gavin. Remember like two weeks ago I had to like apologize to you and the audience basically in real time because I was like, so sleep deprived and crazy over my open claw set up that I was like,

Gavin Purcell: yeah,

Kevin Pereira: barely a husk of myself.

During the podcast, uh, we, we flash the graphic Kevin c apology time.

Gavin Purcell: Oh, [00:38:00] okay.

Kevin Pereira: I owe you and the audience an apology. Again, if you are wondering why, hold

Gavin Purcell: on, hold on. Take your time. Take your time with this. I would love to hear you apologize to me, so make sure you take your time. Don't rush.

Kevin Pereira: You know what?

Scratch that. Uh, run the graphic again, Kevin. Sincere apology to the audience specifically, not necessarily to Gavin. If you're wondering, Kevin, you seem a little checked out during the nano banana talk or the seed dance stuff, or even during some of the anthropic stuff, and you were talking about like new world order and.

And the government working with private AI companies and you seem like you were kind of half there. Is that what you got these days? The answer is yes. I am sorry. It's because I was very distracted with what I was trying to vibe code during this podcast, which was a good idea I think when we started out.

And I realize now, Gavin, I should never do this again because yes, I do owe you and the audience apology. There's one set of footprints through today's podcast that lead us to this point here. Those are your footprints, Gavin. But now I

Gavin Purcell: lifted you through. I lifted you through. All right, let's see, two

Kevin Pereira: sets.

Let's

Gavin Purcell: see, to God,

Kevin Pereira: two sets, two sets of feet in the, and disregard anything I might've said until now.

Gavin Purcell: No,

Kevin Pereira: there is. Don't

Gavin Purcell: [00:39:00] do that. Go, go back and watch it again.

Kevin Pereira: Go and watch it again and realize, Kevin, at 20% almost seems like he's making points. Listen. There is a website that is going to be shut down by the time you are hearing this, but I did use it to do something great right now.

So maybe we talk for a second about

Gavin Purcell: Yes.

Kevin Pereira: Yeah. Uh, Sundo, and then we could talk about what we just did with it, Gavin.

Gavin Purcell: Yeah. So let's quickly get the briefs on. Sundo is a website that I discovered through our friend, theoretically Media who covered it, who also said it might be shut down by the time that video came out and it wasn't.

What it is, is a suno like website. It is very much like Suno. Shout out to our friends at Suno. But what they, what Suno did and what Sonato did was take out a lot of the celebrity voices and real musician voices and real musician training out of their model. Sonato basically allows you to generate music.

With actual celebrity voices and you can do all sorts of crazy stuff.

Kevin Pereira: They clearly just scraped Spotify and yes, slammed it all in [00:40:00] there with tags that are accurate enough that you can genre flip between. Insert your favorite artist here and I mean, just straight text to prompt it. I got a shout out at Addison on X because Gavin, you, you put me on blast about the site earlier this week and I was like, okay, cool.

Yeah, I think I know the model. They're running the open source model. Then Addison hit me up and was like. Dude, you have to check this out. I was like, yes, I know the, the model that they're using. What I didn't realize that was, that he was making like fire co heating, Cambria and Glass Jaw and perfect circle covers.

I assumed this was, oh, upload the track and generate allo and then get it back out. Nope. Nope.

Gavin Purcell: No,

Kevin Pereira: just save the words to the machine and Taylor Swift comes screaming out.

Gavin Purcell: Here's, here's the note. Everybody there next time some listen to the first person. Listen to the person said, percent said is a big deal.

Yes. Run the apology again. We'll run it one more time.

Kevin Pereira: Do that. Do the, I'm sorry. Sad Kevin. Graphic Kevin, I'm so sorry.

Gavin Purcell: So Sonato is crazy. I went in and said, make a James Brown song about the [00:41:00] podcast, AI for humans. So Kef, let's just play that a little, sunk a little chunk of that real fast.

Chickens: Humans about the future. Yeah,

humans.

Kevin Pereira: Okay.

Gavin Purcell: So, so, so if you know James Brown, you know his band, the jbs, like that sounds almost identical to the jbs. The voice is James Brown. Even the, yeah, that stuff like it does like, is really good. Like you're right. This is a clear scrape of real musicians. Right. So let's hear by the way you just discovered.

Yeah.

Kevin Pereira: I'm sure other audio models did as well, but they took the time to put the guardrails in. Like look, we know with like Uud for example, you were able to get weird Al Yankovic out of it. Yeah. Basically by prompting around using his name. Yes. Curly haired accordion aficionado that loves Twinkie Wiener sandwiches.

Yeah. Yes. You'll get weird owl. Out of it, but this one is just fire and forget. You just ask for it and it goes, [00:42:00] um, maybe I'll play some of Addison's covers in a second because like I said, he was doing like Coheed and Cambria, whatever. I have a band that I love, the Deer Hunter, DEAR. I prompted them in and I decided to not send the outputs to Casey, the lead singer because I do think he would genuinely be upset and depressed by

Gavin Purcell: it.

Oh, that's really interesting. So I don't know them. I mean, I've heard of them before, but like. It's not just big artists, it's, it's got

Kevin Pereira: like, no, that's

Gavin Purcell: Oh

Kevin Pereira: wow. It's got everything. Yeah. And I, wow. And, and Deer Hunter is, has a lot of stuff out there and they're, they're popular ish, but they're not on the level of like a Taylor Swift or Oh yeah.

James Brown and Gabriel, or even James Brown. Of course not. So. Listen, I don't know how long this is going to be up for. Um, you could have done stuff like this in the past, but it's clear that they swept in enough training data that like the results are pretty amazing and, uh, yeah, apologies that I slept at the wheel, but here's what I did at the top of the show, which had me so damn distracted this entire episode, Gavin, I went to Mr.

Tibs, my AI open claw [00:43:00] powered assistant, and I said, Tibby, here's the API documentation for sonato. Which they give you, right? Allows you a coder or a machine agent to go and interface with their system. I said, here's a screenshot of the top 100 greatest tracks of all time from Spotify. 'cause they don't wanna take time to plug it into Spotify.

I just grabbed a screenshot of like the top 10 tracks from that list. I clicked and dragged it over to Mr. Tibs and I said, go grab the lyrics for these songs. Then go genre, flip them. I want you to take, uh, Nirvana who's in that top 10 with smells like Teen Spirit, but have them cover something else like Hotel California.

And I gave it one other example from that list. Have, uh, Boston cover Totos Africa or whatever. Yeah. It needs to work. I want you to make the interface look like an old iPod. And this was, I was coming up with this as you were doing the diligence. Yeah, sure. Of hosting the show, and I'm sorry, and I'm sure you noticed that and maybe the audience noticed that as well.

I was over here, click clacking away. I said, go make it look like an [00:44:00] iPod. I wanna be able to scroll through the tracks. I wanna be able to click to generate them, and I want full control and playback. It wasn't one shot. And I will capture the screen so you can see that I had to go back and forth a couple times and say, Hey, this doesn't quite work right.

Or This needs a little love. But during the podcast I was able to jam this out and I think we need to host it on our website and maybe be ready to eat some of the, the hosting charges by streaming these MP threes and maybe defend ourselves in the lawsuit. 'cause I dont that think there's anything illegal.

About anything. I'm about to play back here, Gavin, before we, but I'm gonna play play some of it back before.

Gavin Purcell: Before we play this back, I wanna say two things. One, like, as we said, Sonato probably will get a take down notice and might get a giant take down notice very soon. So if you wanna go try it, you should try it now.

It is as S-O-N-A-U-T-O, like Sun auto.ai. Um, also, yes, Kevin has made these tracks. We are gonna play them. We don't believe there's any way you could take us down off of YouTube or, or demonetize us [00:45:00] for this. I'm gonna say not. You can't do that. We don't people release this as well, but you never know. So if you're out there and you're listening to this and you're, you're part of this right now, this is something very special that may not exist for much longer.

So we will try to put it on our website as well. But let's play these tracks.

Kevin Pereira: So Gavin, I'm on the site now. It says AI for Humans Pod. It looks like a classic iPod. I can scroll through. Uh, jailhouse Rock Queen covers Elvis Presley. We have Nirvana covering Hotel California, the Beatles doing Billy Jean Michael Jackson covering Queen.

Should we hear a little bit of the Nirvana?

Gavin Purcell: Yeah, let's hear it. This is Hotel California by Nirvana, is what you're saying? Yeah. Okay.

Kevin Pereira: It sure is.

Gavin Purcell: Get it girl.

Sounds like nirvana.[00:46:00]

Chickens: The.

Gavin Purcell: Yes.

Chickens: Oh,

Gavin Purcell: okay. Poit, poit. Poit. Now that's what

Kevin Pereira: I call infringement volume five.

Gavin Purcell: Something that's so interesting about this, and this is one thing I think it's important to understand, is that like there have been people, really talented music artist, um, what was the name of that, that TikTok handle that we love? Oh, there, I ruined it.

Right? That guy I it's been doing, yeah. Who's been doing these really interesting mashups forever. Kevin literally had Mr. Tibs, his AI assistant, go and generate these himself. These are one shot, right? These are not somebody, some artist who's making a lot of time on this. And I know if you're a musician who's out there wondering, you know, oh my God, am I in here?

It's probably likely you are. And again, this thing won't last very long based on the way that the legal system works with the music industry particularly. But that was remarkable. Like that was unique. It felt [00:47:00] interesting. I didn't feel like it was. A Nirvana song that I had heard, but it was very much Nirvana.

Now, granted somebody, it's like a deep Nirvana person to be like, those are the drums from X, Y, and z. Pretty incredible. I think pretty incredible overall.

Kevin Pereira: The, the playback controls on the iPod, on the website work flawlessly. Play pause, next track menu. It has a visualizer. If you're just, you know, hearing the audio, this, there's a full visualizer.

I can click and drag in the scroll bar, the progress of the song and it amazing. It just. Works. So

Gavin Purcell: it's funny when somebody, there's it kind sounds like,

Chickens: yeah, sorry, what was that?

Gavin Purcell: What was interesting about that is that you hear the voice. Change throughout it. Right? There are moments where it's definitely sounds like Kurt Cobain. And then there's other moments where it's almost like some sort of [00:48:00] amalgamation of Kurt Cobain and other rockstar singers when he tries to hit specific notes.

Pretty fascinating though. That is amazing. Like what else we got? Is there one more example we can hear?

Kevin Pereira: We got, I mean, do you wanna hear Queen covering Elvis Presley? Do you want to hear, uh uh What was it you wanna hear? Michael Jackson covering Queen.

Gavin Purcell: Yeah, let's hear that. I'm really curious to hear what Michael Jackson covering Queen sounds like.

Kevin Pereira: Okay, so we got some Billy Jean inspired stuff here, I think. Yeah. This is

Gavin Purcell: Or or

Kevin Pereira: thriller back. Thriller eight. Billy Jean. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Yeah.

Gavin Purcell: That's like a sad eye being, being tortured.

Kevin Pereira: Oh, hold on. I, I have faith.

Chickens: Is this to be alive?

Gavin Purcell: Is this just fantasy?

Kevin Pereira: Wow,

what?

Chickens: Open your eyes look.

What?

Gavin Purcell: [00:49:00] Pretty incredible, by the way. Like this is amazing. This is so

Kevin Pereira: good. This is so good.

Gavin Purcell: The man.

Kevin Pereira: Okay,

Gavin Purcell: I have a question for

Kevin Pereira: you, dude. I never understood the reactions when it's like old man hears tool for the first time and they're like, what? Oh, but now I just. Fully made the face and did the thing. And, okay.

Now, so again, uh, Addison and I were going back and forth. He was sharing some of his covers again, of like, because we kind of have a similar taste of music. And he is like, what does this mean? I, I'm gonna just wash, rinse, repeat something that you know, I had said and that you and I discussed two years

Gavin Purcell: ago.

Ages ago. Yeah. Ages ago.

Kevin Pereira: Yeah. The essence or the soul is going to be licensable.

Gavin Purcell: Yes,

Kevin Pereira: yes, yes. This genie, if they, if they, if they plug this bottle up, three other bottles are gonna appear. This is a Napster moment for music and for art artistry as a whole. If you don't like it and want to participate in it, completely get that.

But I think there's gonna be a fork in the road and other artists are going to choose a path. And where I think that path is, is right now, I pay Spotify. Way [00:50:00] too much money a month for a family plan, which I gotta kill, by the way. I mostly do it to help subsidize some friends. I give them a bunch of money a month.

I listen to maybe 3% of the music that's actually on Spotify at any given time, right? What I'd rather do is pay a little bit to each artist who I actually like directly, and I would actually pay a little bit more to each artist if I could get. Uh, uh, some sort of privilege or, uh, or, or, or access or rights to

Gavin Purcell: their, to

Kevin Pereira: their essence, their likes, to what makes them up.

Yes. And then I can say, look, I pay for, I pay for Metallica and I pay for tool, and of course I pay for Ariana Grande. You'll ne by

Gavin Purcell: the way, just to be clear, you will never be able to pay for Metallica's Essence. They will never, ever, ever

Kevin Pereira: align. I don't know. I think they came around on that. I think they've come around on that.

Metallica. I think Lars, I think Lars got hit enough with the Napster of it all, that they don't wanna be on the wrong side of technology again. I do think,

Gavin Purcell: I don't know, Lars is an open, open call. Lars have come our show. Lar, come on, show, and let's talk. Yes,

Kevin Pereira: we'll do some single stroke rolls together.

What's up Lars? [00:51:00] Um, I do think there'll be a world though, where it's like, look, I, I, I subscribe to these models or to these, these bans, these whatever. I can mash them up like toys in my sandbox. I can have one cover the other I could take. Multiple artists and have them create something original, and then I can publish that to this player, this Spotify 2.0 or whatever.

And Gavin, if you like the song and you want to give it a dollar or you listen to it a million times and a million people listen to it a million times, then I. As the producer get a little taste and all the artists who were swept in along the way get a taste as well. It is a disruption of the music model.

I think it's going to come. I think a lot of people might try it in the interim without properly compensating artists, and they deserve to be whacked like the little moles. They are not to be Kevin O'Leary with the cockroaches, but this is a site that will probably go down unless they figure out how to properly compensate these artists along the way.

In the meantime, we gotta put this on our website, Gavin.

Gavin Purcell: Well, let's let, I have one last thing about saying about this, which is, to your point on all of this, that is a [00:52:00] very complicated system that does not yet exist, right? Like, that is something

Kevin Pereira: where I'm coating it right now. I'm, I'm literally vibe coating it right now.

You're gonna make this, Spotify meets Apple Music with this new model in it. Zero mistakes. I must go viral. If not, you will be deleted. That's what I just told my assistant.

Gavin Purcell: Well, let's see how well that does. I do think it's an important thing. That's an important moment. In the same way that the C dance moment with actors was in it, we are entering in this world where people are going to have to figure out a way to pay people that have appeared in these models.

Not only that, but the people that were trained on these models, because the Nirvana track you played earlier, like. Those are somebody's guitars that were sampled for that. And yes, it's probably Kurt Cobain's guitars or Pat Smears guitars like, but those are people that actually played on that guitar.

Alright, it's time to talk about what we did this week at a, I see what you did there.

AI See What You Did There: Sometimes ya, we found a. Then suddenly you stop and shout.[00:53:00]

Gavin Purcell: Alright. In addition to Kevin's, uh, very cool real time iPod that he just made, we have been vibe coating up a storm and I wanna talk a little bit about something that I did, which is directly related to the show. And I made us a new website, Kevin, for the show. And it has been something that I've been thinking about for a while.

You and I, uh, shout out to the pod page.com, the company pod page, which is a very good website for a podcast if you have one. That's where we've been on for the last couple years. One of the things though that did frustrate us about pod page is that we are not, at the time, we're not web designers, we were not able to go in and like.

Do a lot of tweaks. We ended up having to get stuck with a website that we weren't totally in love with, but it held up. We paid them, you know, a certain amount of money every month. I think it was 30 bucks a month, and now we're paying them 20 bucks a month. But now Kevin, we are part of the economy that is taking away money from other big companies because we have vibe coded our own website.

And Kevin, I wanna say I did the majority of this. I, I did most of it and I am not a [00:54:00] technical person. I think it's pretty damn good. And, and what was interesting about this, it's great. Yeah. What was interesting about this versus a personal website, it is a slightly bigger project, right? The personal website I made, we talked about a couple weeks ago, pretty easy.

It's a one shot page. This is multiple pages. This is different kinds of design. This is pulling in a database, this is pulling in all sorts of other stuff. And I have to tell everybody out there, if you are waiting to do even more complicated stuff, don't, these tools are so good right now. Go to AI for Humans Show.

You can see. Um, it didn't start out this way. This is not a one shot sort of prompt. You are going to have to spend a lot of time going back and forth with your coding model. I used, um, Opus, uh, 4.6 for a lot of this and a lot of just back and forth about dragging screenshots. That's my big secret is drag screenshots.

Right? Take a screenshot, drag it. To your point earlier, I did use Codex, uh, GPT, uh, 5.3. Kodak's High to do a security check on it. And Kodak's found like four or five things that I then took back into into Claude and I said, Hey, a [00:55:00] friend of mine looked at this and it fixed those things in general. Just an incredible thing that you can do now.

So what was cool about this, Kevin, for me, and I'm curious to hear like you know, more of your Mr Tips stuff as well, but like every time I do this I feel like I level up to the next level of like what's possible. Yeah. So this was a kind. Low to medium job, and now I feel like, oh, I can handle that. I did it and I understand what the possibilities are.

It's just a very cool thing to be able to pull off

Kevin Pereira: the fact that I'm gonna send you a GitHub repo for this AI for Humans iPod thing or whatever. And I'm gonna add you as a collaborator on GitHub and you're gonna pull that thing in and tell it to add it as a section of special section, limited time only on the website, blah, blah, blah, whatever.

I don't think you're gonna bat an eyelash at that now. No, I

Gavin Purcell: totally

Kevin Pereira: get it. And you'll deploy to CEL and you do all these things, which even just weeks ago, you might not have completely understood. And that's like. It's important to not only like just experiment to learn what the tools are and, and what they're capable of, and, and, but also to flex with like the general knowledge that you have, because you might not [00:56:00] have an intricate understanding of how this website works, but you have an understanding now of how you can deploy it or how you can ask for specific sections to be updated, or you're learning the intricacies between open AI's model versus Anthropics model.

And maybe you'll sprint a little faster on the next one because you'll use. A faster model. 'cause you don't need the all thinking, all dancing model, like just at bats are so important with all of these tools. And, and what's really nice about this is that I think it's a huge upgrade from our last website.

This isn't just like a, oh, I made a personal thing, and that's for the, and it'll be over there and that's it. Like you made something that's really, really useful for us and the brand. And I hope everybody goes to check it out. I hope people leave us a five star review on Apple Podcast so they can see a popup in there.

That's very cool. And I hope they get to play with our little iPod on there too.

Gavin Purcell: Ooh, we should also drop a one of those. Yeah, buy me a coffees on there. Anyway, even if we don't upload that other thing, which we will upload the other thing if hopefully, uh, uh, just so people can give us money on the thing directly.

And one more path to helping us out in some

Kevin Pereira: specific way. I'll say if you go to the [00:57:00] website and if you notice that the, uh. The, the, the iPod is down. It's either because we've been sued out of existence that quick, or we literally can't afford to host the MP three files. And if the latter is true, we'll put a little, buy me a coffee link there and you can do it.

And that's great. And then, um, I guess we will have just stolen from artists. Maybe that's not the best idea.

Gavin Purcell: No.

Kevin Pereira: But point is. Go to AI for humans show. That's the point.

Gavin Purcell: Go AI for start playing with all these tools. Show. By the way, last thing I'll say about this, it is again, this is the thing that you can do now.

It is only going to get better. There are improvements that are happening every week. Kevin's thing is just a matter of connecting the right dots. The open cloud world is just connecting the dots. That's how we got that to happen. Kevin is not a technical genius. Yes, he's a technical person, but like he has learned a lot of stuff.

Doing open claw. You can do these things. You can do them every day. You can do them and go spend some time and learning.

Kevin Pereira: Go get better friends and uh, to, I really am sorry about today's show, but how good is the Billie Jean Co? I mean, come on, I'm gonna go, you know, I'm gonna generate the top 20 [00:58:00] tracks. I'm gonna put money into their machine.

I'm gonna generate the top 20 so people have more to play with.

Gavin Purcell: Wow. Alright.

Kevin Pereira: Bye. Bye

Gavin Purcell: everybody.