AI For Humans 96 Elon Vs OpenAI

[00:00:00] Newsflash, OpenAI is not for sale, but Elon keeps mashing it against the self checkout scanner. Is Elon gearing up for a hostile takeover? Can OpenAI even stop him? Is this just 5D chess, a stalling tactic, or trolling? Who knows, but we're gonna dig in on it. The thing is, it doesn't matter for Sam Altman.

It's dirt off the shoulder of the OpenAI CEO. He, along with the Vice President of the United States, were at the Paris AI Summit and they had some big thoughts on the future. We stand now at the frontier of an AI industry that is hungry. In short, American AI, no regu. Euro, try keep up. Uh, best coder AI in 2025.

Are you using Grok to summarize the news? Are you having a stroke? What is going on? Me excite, just me big excite, Kevin. What Gavin is trying to say is yes, there were some really, really big announcements and we will cover them all in depth and in plain English in today's show. And I got my hands on some very cool new AI video tools, [00:01:00] including Adobe's Firefly Video Beta and Peak Editions, both of which are available for you to try for free right now.

Uh, uh, Gavin, you're gonna want to see this. It's AI for humans, everyone.

Gavin Purcell: All right, Kevin, there's some big news in AI this week. And a lot of it has to do with the fight for the future of AI. And first and foremost, we have a big thing going on, big battle between Elon Musk and open AI. So Elon has basically put in an offer for 90 plus billion dollars to buy The non profit OpenAI, which is a big part of this.

Kevin Pereira: Now, have you been following this story very closely? I have, and I've seen a million different takes of various levels of Spice, um, including one about how this is pure trolling, and just a stall tactic to slow Sam Altman down, and another saying this is actually seven dimensional chess. This [00:02:00] is like, it's chess pieces that are quantum and moving the little rook.

Kevin Pereira: In multiple dimensions at the same time, because this could trigger the Revlon rules in the state of Delaware, which is something I had to look up. I thought it was cosmetic in nature. What are the Revlon rules? Is that about the kind of lipstick you can use in these deals? That's exactly, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Kevin Pereira: It's only tested on machines. Um, We should, we should break this down for those that are unaware. Open AI was started as a nonprofit. Elon was one of the original investors, uh, in the endeavor. Um, there was now a for profit subsidiary that sits beneath the nonprofit, right? So the nonprofit controls a for profit entity.

Kevin Pereira: And the reasoning behind that was, Hey, it's hard to raise money. If you're asking people for tens of billions of dollars, and you're saying you're going to give away all your models and you're not going to try to make a dollar. So. That's the sort of structure right now. Sam Altman is. Rumored to try to buy the for profit [00:03:00] entity so that he can take control of that.

Kevin Pereira: And then Elon swooped in with the bid. Is that a fair estimation? That's fair. And I think the one thing for everybody who's listening that may be new to our show or people that are coming up and catching up on the kind of history of this. You know, Elon was an original founder of OpenAI. He was there. He put in, I think, uh, 50 million to start somewhere around there.

Kevin Pereira: So he does have a claim in some ways that like, he's part of this. This isn't just coming out of the blue. And I think the important thing to know here is that as you mentioned, there's a little bit of gumming up the works because the important thing to also know is that Elon has another big model coming out, Grok three, which has been trained on, you know, a crapload of H one hundreds, the chips that Nvidia used, uh, makes and that are used to train AI.

Kevin Pereira: So there's a world here where Elon could be playing a 5D chess game where he's got a small idea of like he can kind of slow this company down, which clearly Kevin right now is leading this race. I think everybody that was listening would kind of agree with this, that like OpenAI is out front. Now DeepSeek did come [00:04:00] around and kind of scared them a little bit, but with O3 and all the stuff like deep research that we've covered on the show.

Kevin Pereira: They're going quite a ways and, and Kevin, I think it's important to play this. So the, uh, head of the open AI board. So this is an offer to the board to buy open AI at 90 plus billion dollars. The head of the open AI board responded directly to Elon and let's play that little clip here. Open AI is a nonprofit and what that means is the open AI board has a fiduciary duty to our mission exclusively.

Kevin Pereira: And our mission is to ensure that. Artificial general intelligence benefits all of humanity. Um, uh, so, uh, it's pretty simple for me, which is open AI is not for sale. Okay. There you go. I guess, pack it up and go home. Sorry. That's right. So this is where we get into like weird, big business things. And I will say Kevin and I are not big business people.

Kevin Pereira: We are not operating at the Davos level of business, but you know, maybe you haven't seen my hairless cat and my, my half chomped cigar collection, but I am big business. I am. Industry I am coded in coal and soot. And let me tell you, [00:05:00] Delaware courts use a rule called the Revlon rule. So if anytime there's a merger or acquisition bidding situation, this rule comes into effect.

Kevin Pereira: Now, uh, yeah, Gavin's right. We're not big business, but, but a language model told me that if open AI decides to transition to become a for profit company, right, the board's duty shifts to maximizing shareholder value. Right. And that can trigger the Revlon rule, um, which this, this Musk's bid basically challenges their leadership and there's ethical grounds on whether, you know, Decisions that the board is making are prioritizing the envisioned, the original vision or investor incentives.

Kevin Pereira: But it basically means that like, they're going to have to treat this offer seriously. And if Sam were to try to buy it or anyone else by any other name, for a fraction of that price, the board, because of this Revlon rule has to. has to take into account Elon's offer and basically explain why they're walking away from almost a hundred billion dollars to take a lesser offer.

Kevin Pereira: And there are [00:06:00] things that Sam Altman and OpenAI's legal team can do to say it's a bad faith offer. It's not real. It's trolling. He would not be in the best interest of the company. Like it's certainly not like a, a checkmate, if you will, but it might be. Uh, an actual legal challenge because of this Revlon rule.

Kevin Pereira: Yeah. And I think the important thing is to kind of like step up above this whole thing right now and to kind of understand why this is going on. This is really a fight for the future of not only AI, but like the company or companies that will dominate the AI world. And we've said on this podcast, almost from day one, That the company that first gets to AGI or to the higher level of AI is going to unlock an incredible amount of value.

Kevin Pereira: And we're already starting to see this. There's a ton of things that are happening in the space that are due that are making these AIs super valuable. The deep research which we covered last week, I've seen so many people online talk about the fact that. That they think that that is a real step towards actually eliminating researcher jobs, because what they're getting back out of it is super useful to them, not [00:07:00] perfect.

Kevin Pereira: There are still, there's still hallucinations in it, but this is a big deal. And I think again, the players in this are going to be Elon with Grok is a big player and he's trying to do whatever he can. And it was, we know Elon loves getting his fingers into everything, including the U S government right now, that is not a perfect situation, but he's doing that.

Kevin Pereira: You have Gemini and Google. You have those guys playing at a very big level. And then you have open AI. You have meta. All these big people are all trying to rush to this thing. So I think we're going to start seeing more and more of this kind of like tactics of playing things as they can slow people down, because according to everything else, Kevin, according to what Sam Altman has been saying, it doesn't feel like we are slowing down anytime soon.

Kevin Pereira: Like we are entering in a weird, crazy world moving forward. 100%. Um, yeah, things have absolutely, there was all this, uh, hand waving about the walls that are going to be hit. That scaling isn't going to play out. It's not, the line's just not going to keep going up and up. Well, we are barely into 2025 and it looks [00:08:00] like the line is still going straight up, um, and it might even curve back somehow, like it's getting so vertical that it might fold in on itself.

Kevin Pereira: Ooh, that's fine. It'd be like, you can do like a. Flip or something over it. Breaking news here. We are jumping into the recording of our podcast with me recording an update because Sam Altman has dropped some news after we recorded today, specifically talking about the roadmap of chat GPT 4. 5 and GPT 5.

Kevin Pereira: This is a big deal because it really lays out where OpenAI is going next. He specifically calls out making the naming and all that part of OpenAI's product simpler. He also says that GPT 4. 5, what they've been referring to as Orion internally, will be the last non chain of thought model that ships. This is a big deal.

Kevin Pereira: And going forward, GPT 5 will integrate the reasoning models in between it. And the other thing he says here is that O3, the high level reasoning model, will not ship as a standalone product. [00:09:00] That is going to be coming as part of GPT 5. A really cool update here is that free subscribers are going to get access to GPT 5 when it comes out, but that the plus and pro subscribers will get higher level reasoning on each side.

Kevin Pereira: And finally, the end of this, a person on Twitter asked him any ETA for GPA 4. 5 slash GPT 5. Weeks or months and then he responded weeks slash months. So we don't know exactly when this is coming out, but I assume four point five is coming out at some point soon. All right. Back to us in the show. To that point, Sam Altman made a blog post his three observations, which is less sexy than the three seashells.

Kevin Pereira: But, uh, the three observations were the intelligence of an AI model roughly equals the log of the resources used to train and run it. So more compute, more chip, more power, more money, machine go brr, and intelligence get bigger. The cost, second point, cost to use a given level of AI falls about 10x every 12 months.

Kevin Pereira: Lower prices lead to, [00:10:00] uh, much more use. This was the, the Jevons, J, Jevons paradox. Jevons, thank you. Yeah, yeah. Is it J, is it Jevons? I don't know. I think of like, you know, Jay and Silent Bob, like it's kind of, that's a Jay Vaughn. Jay Vaughn sounds like, uh, are we, we're out of toilet paper? Got to go to Jay Vaughn and pick up some toilet paper.

Kevin Pereira: It's only 99 cents. And then three. 3. Third point, the socio economic value of linearly increasing intelligence is super exponential in nature. Which is kind of a, a, a, a baloney statement in some way, because you could, that's like, could be interpreted in many different ways. But the first two points are really important, right?

Kevin Pereira: More compute means more powerful AI. Cheaper AI means more people will use AI, and then the exponential nature. And Kevin, directly to this point, um, Sam was interviewed, uh, recently and talked about, uh, what they might possibly be able to do with the next generation of AI, of OpenAI's, uh, model, maybe GPT 5, [00:11:00] and where it's going to get as far as computer programming.

Kevin Pereira: Play that, play that clip here. The progress over the, the recent scale is quite amazing. Our, our very first reasoning model, um, was like a top one millionth competitive programmer in the world. People thought that was very impressive. It's like, wow, an AI, it's, you know, in the millions of people, that's pretty good.

Kevin Pereira: Um, we then had a model that got to like a top 10, 000, uh, Oh three, which we talked about publicly in December is the 175th best program, competitive program in the world. I think our internal benchmark is now around 50 and maybe we'll hit number one by the end of this year. So. That's like an amazing rate of scale.

Kevin Pereira: Also, we look at this incredible horizon of technological progress, but the here and now is that If you give someone whose voice sounds like it's bacon sizzling on hot gravel, if you give them a microphone that is over modulated, it's real rough, guys. You [00:12:00] gotta give Sam Altman a good, give him a Madonna mic.

Kevin Pereira: Can we give Sam Altman like a real deep, like, Hey, well, this is what I would say about this thing, and I'm going to talk about dedicated coding now. We can, you know what, um, here, just, just for fun, we're going to play back some of the Sam Altman clip, but we're going to, we're going to use, uh, 11 Labs to transform his voice into anything else.

Kevin Pereira: Let's listen to it again, Gavin, just, uh, slightly differently. The progress. Over the recent scales are quite amazing. Our, our very first reasoning model, um, was like a top 1, 000, 000. From now on, this is a big deal, Kevin. I think the important thing is just a couple of days ago, they dropped a new paper opening, I dropped a new paper, uh, which was about competitive coding.

Kevin Pereira: Now, some people in our audience might be coders and they might understand like competitive coding is not real world coding, totally fair. It's different. It's a story, different thing. But, uh, But the benchmarks on what O3 can do on specific thing, there's a code force rating percentile that in this new paper, it hit [00:13:00] a 99.

Kevin Pereira: 8th percentile on that particular benchmark. And just to be clear, like O1 hit an 89th percentile. That's in what, a year? Do you know what I mean? Less than a year since O1 came out. And that's a pretty big deal. And when you talk about jobs, obviously, you know, coding jobs are a big thing. I actually know a kid who graduated from college last year with a really good like background on coding.

Kevin Pereira: He was in the video game space. He had a really hard time getting work. Now part of that is the video game industry has kind of collapsed over the last year in different ways. But I think coders are going to continue to not be like not, it was always the job where like if you said, Hey, I'm getting into computer coding, like, Oh, you're great.

Kevin Pereira: You're going to be set for life. There are going to be computer codes forever. And now. I mean, you've been spending a lot of time doing coding, quote unquote, which is really like talking to the machine. It's, it's a different world now. So there is a term, um, which, uh, I, I, I am not a fan of, but it's just by coding.

Kevin Pereira: Let's talk about vibe coding. [00:14:00] Yeah. Yeah. Which is, you know, it's, you wouldn't say you were like a game developer if you were using click and play black back in the nineties, which was like a little app where you could connect things and, and make video games happen. But okay, fine. Vibe coding is the notion of I'm using AI to write code.

Kevin Pereira: I might have zero idea of how it works or if it's secure or if it's bloated and optimized. I have no clue, but it doesn't matter, man. It passes the vibes. I'm talking to the machine and the machine's doing a thing. So. I don't like that term, but it's what everybody is using right now, especially all the grind setters on X and various places.

Kevin Pereira: So, I have been vibe coding. Um, I have to admit, I've been vaping and I've been vibing. And you got like a deep pocket jeans and you're running around in your roller skates, your rollerblades again. Dude, my chain wallets, I've got three of them now and one of them goes down to my ankles. No, here's the thing.

Kevin Pereira: So I've been vibe coding. I have been whispering what I want into various AI models and having it go and build the [00:15:00] applications that I want. And this is, this is where it becomes sort of anecdotal. This is where it becomes vibey. It is not a benchmark, but I can tell you from my personal experience, 1000 percent improvement in what these things can do and how you can interact with them.

Kevin Pereira: And it's bizarre to me the way, um, like Oh three, for example, which is out now. I speak to it and I tell it. What I want to have architected and I talked to it like I'd be describing an application or an experience with a buddy, just like you and I having a conversation. Wouldn't it be cool if we had an iPhone app that did X, Y, and Z and I'm verbose and long winded and I'm uncertain about things and I let that model go off and reason and build a plan step by step atomic instructions to give to a junior developer and then I take those plans and I whisper that into another LLM, usually Claude, which is.

Kevin Pereira: Pretty solid for coding and it comes back and it's 60 percent of the way there. And if you just slam your head against the keyboard hard [00:16:00] enough for a couple hours. You will get 98 percent solid. There's going to be some bugs. There's going to be some, some areas that lack loss, but I'm building experiences that are far more advanced than anything I would have dared to dream up even a year ago.

Kevin Pereira: So again, it's anecdotal. It is vibey. But when Sam Altman says by the end of this year, they're going to have a model that's going to be the number one competitive programmer. I believe it. And, and you're right. That is not. Actual coding. Like that's not real world stuff, but it's still going to pay dividends.

Kevin Pereira: The long tail of that is going to be a way more competent model. That's going to help junior models or, or more, uh, fine tuned distilled coding models do better. So it's, it's absolutely going to happen. And if you want to get into computer coding, you can start today with just natural language. And it's almost like you, it's almost something different than computer coding used to be.

Kevin Pereira: Right. Because computer coding used to be really, you're spending all this time looking at the code and you're trying to fix it. I just want to shout out. term vibe coding really was invented like on [00:17:00] February 2nd. That is 10 days ago from when we're recording by Andres Karpathy, who talked about vibe coding and the idea that this is a big programmer.

Kevin Pereira: Like this guy used to work at OpenAI. He worked at Tesla. He is like one of the best programmers. Now it is a lot of AI education. So you should definitely check out his YouTube channel. But like he's basically talking about the idea that he likes. It speaks back to him. He specifically uses super whisper as a, as a device to kind of get the information out of him that transcribes everything at the end of this.

Kevin Pereira: He says, I'm building a project or a web app, but it's not really coding. I just see stuff, say stuff, run stuff. stuff and copy paste stuff and it mostly works. That is remarkable. Yeah. It really is. I mean, some people are making claims like you should never write a single line of code again. Um, for the engineers and the software developers that are in our audience, like that, uh, apologies for even repeating that.

Kevin Pereira: It's certainly not how I feel like. If you make something, you know, you and I both know, like having it run on one device or having it pull up in a web browser is a far cry from having something that is stable and [00:18:00] secure and scalable and elegantly architected. So there's still going to be, but you know, we talk about the bar ification of all the things Gavin, right?

Kevin Pereira: Like the middle is eroding. Um, let's look at like media productions, right? Yeah. You have ultra, ultra high end movies and projects. Then this massive gulch in the middle. And then you have the independent creators that are out there grinding and hustling. I think the same is probably going to happen for coding.

Kevin Pereira: You're going to have the, the vibe coders on one end and the people that are down to the metal, down to like the hardcore architecture and systems design and everything else on the other end. And that, that might be the new normal, which by the way, not to digress, but if you're not using super whisper or a similar application, like if you're still typing everything you want into a machine.

Kevin Pereira: So bizarre to say this, but you are so 2024. You say that. And I, you and I know, cause Kevin and I work on a secret project right now, which we're very excited about. And I had the same experience that you had a while ago, which is like, literally I was typing out a bunch of long prompts into chat, GBT.

Kevin Pereira: Cause I was creating like [00:19:00] this very specific thing. And I said, you know, Kevin always says just to talk to it. So I literally just said, I pushed a little microphone button on my chat. GPT app and I talked to it and it does shrink your time to input down so much. It really does feel like voice is going to be the future.

Kevin Pereira: And Kevin, you know what else is the future using your voice and your finger right now to subscribe to AI for humans or to leave us a review. That's right. Wait, I'm sorry. This is a step on toes. I hate to say, well, I can experience. Little of me, the future right now, just by subscribing and liking and commenting and engaging and sharing the AI for humans podcast.

Kevin Pereira: I can't believe it either, Kevin, but this is where we are. This is the advances that AI has made us get to. You can do it right now. Everybody out in the audience should do it like this video. If you're watching on YouTube, please subscribe. And also. We actually call it Vibescribing. You know, the vibes are right.

Kevin Pereira: If you just think about it and will it, you got to click the button, but it's like a Vibescribe. [00:20:00] So tell your super whisper to subscribe. That's not going to work, but so make sure when you tell it, you still do it with your disciplines. But also if you're listening to our audio, please. Share the audio with somebody.

Kevin Pereira: We've had a lot of big, uh, growth in our both audio and video listens lately. And we really appreciate everybody that sticks around and listens to us the first time and says, I want to listen to those two people one more time. Cause that, that just makes us feel good. And also as kind of a shocker to my system, to be honest with you.

Kevin Pereira: A hundred percent ounces, sincerity. Thank you everybody who has been sharing it and taking the time to like subscribe. Okay, we got to get off the promo pony. We got to continue because there's so much news and cool tools to get to. Yeah, so let's talk about the big AI summit that happened in Paris, France this week, Kevin.

Kevin Pereira: I couldn't go. I couldn't go by the way. And I appreciate the invite. Thank you, France. France. I came straight from Mr. France. Mr. France sent it to you. Mr. France is probably, uh, Macron, who is the, uh, the prime minister of France, who's been doing some, uh, he really gathered a bunch of big people. The kind of big news that came out of this though, was that JD [00:21:00] Vance, the now American vice president showed up and kind of gave like a, a pretty significant speech around the idea of AI and where we're going from here and kind of American versus European AI.

Kevin Pereira: One little piece of reference to this is that in general, Europe has kind of been slower to adopt AI. And in general, overall, Europe is very kind of much more regulation heavy than America's, particularly as when it comes to technology. Many people think that's a good thing. Some people might think it's a bad thing.

Kevin Pereira: It definitely can slow down progress. USB C port on the iPhone. That's pretty dope. That's pretty good. Yes. Now I have to go through and reject all these cookies every time I want to. Check a Gmail? Like, nah, it's not as cool. It's not as cool. Let's, let's take a quick listen to a small snippet of what, uh, J.

Kevin Pereira: D. Vance said in his speech, and then we'll get into kind of what the implications of this are. At the frontier of an AI industry that is hungry for reliable power and high quality semiconductors. [00:22:00] Yet too many of our friends are de industrializing on the one hand, and chasing reliable power out of their nations and off their grids with the other.

Kevin Pereira: The A. I. Future is not going to be one by hand wringing about safety. It will be one by building from reliable power plants to the manufacturing facilities that can produce the chips of the future. Now, at a personal level, what excites me most about AI is that it is grounded in the real and the physical economy.

Kevin Pereira: The big thing here is that JD Vance is obviously talking about the need to increase power. And I think this, there's a lot of implications here from environmental to a lot of other things, but the kind of key snippet there is that where he says that AI progress is not going to be about safety, right?

Kevin Pereira: Like that you're not going to be able to essentially say we have to be safe. And that Throne. A lot of people for a loop, right? Because there's a lot of people out there in the effective altruist movement who we've talked about forever, who have said, pause AI pause, hold [00:23:00] on. And now you've got like the kind of one of the leaders of America out there saying, no, we are not going to do this.

Kevin Pereira: So In France, this kind of reverberate in a lot of different ways. I know the, you know, the acceleration is of America. We're all very excited for this because it really kind of points to something. Obviously this is kind of a give and take here. This is something that's really important to kind of like dig in on a little bit because It's not just one sided, there are things that are really important, and especially when you have people like Jeffrey Hinton, the father of AI out there, who's saying like, you need to understand, this could be the end of us all, which we've, we've dove into on the show.

Kevin Pereira: These are the kind of world shaking decisions that we're talking about, which for me, Kevin, is always funny, because like, you know, whatever, a year and a half ago when we started this show, it was like, hey, we can make funny videos with MidJourney, and we can do all this crazy stuff, and now here we are.

Kevin Pereira: the leaders of the world talking about the impact of this going forward. Oh, the horse was wearing a hat. That's funny. Okay, now the horse is actually a Sentient Roomba with a laser on it. And it says I [00:24:00] violated my social credit score. Oh, no, I, I went to the chat and asked the chat, which we will explain what that is, uh, how it feels about the quote.

Kevin Pereira: The future is not going to be won by hand wringing about AI safety. It will be won by building, um, uh, It is, uh, it says in summary, while the quote emphasizes the important of building innovating, it is important, equally important to integrate safety and ethical considerations into the development process.

Kevin Pereira: A balanced approach will help ensure that AI technologies are both powerful and beneficial, says the second place runner. You're gonna lose with that mentality, baby. Sorry, check your guardrails. So the chat is Mistral's, uh, um, LLM and it's their interface and it is now free to use. Um, Mistral is a specifically a French company, which is why there's a bunch of news about it this week because this thing was in France and this is a European AI company.

Kevin Pereira: Kevin, the biggest thing about this though, is that it is super fast. Like [00:25:00] if you go and try it and again, go download it, try it. We always suggest, especially for free tools, go try it. You can get answers out of it pretty quickly. It's very similar in a lot of ways to the deep seeker chat GPT experience.

Kevin Pereira: And this is where it gets weird because like ultimately it's going to be like wherever you end up sitting most of your time. Like maybe if you're like a European national, you'd be like, I want to use the European one. I just think that there's eventually there's just going to be one or two of these really.

Kevin Pereira: Or maybe it's like they'll end up where you are. It's very cool that another one of these exists. But like, there's nothing other than the speed that fully separates this for me, but it is fast and it's worth trying. Well, Gavin, as a seasoned veteran of the vibe coding community, I can tell you that, that, that, you know, we're going to reach a point where the intelligence almost matters less than things like the cost and the speed.

Kevin Pereira: Sure. That makes sense. That's one of the things that holds me back a ton whenever I'm trying to do anything. It's like hitting a command and then having to sit and wait five minutes. Well, various agents go off and think and do the, the actual coding work for me, [00:26:00] uh, having to sit there. That's, that's not that interesting.

Kevin Pereira: So if they can get. Like the coding capability, like the generative art capabilities of the chat are really amazing. You can get some good, quick art out of it, nice and fast. It is snappy. And again, it's free to mess around with. So go ahead, give them some of your data. But if they can get the coding capabilities, uh, on par, which, you know, some people have said it's a, it's a competent coder.

Kevin Pereira: I would absolutely consider a switch. Yeah, and I think that this goes to your point of like, what's going to end up happening is the people have said for a long time that the cost of this is going to continue to go down and it will kind of become like a, uh, you know, like an oil essentially, whereas like whatever's got the cheapest barrel of oil is where you're going to buy it from or things like that.

Kevin Pereira: So intelligence will get cheaper over time. So the point really does become like about UX and all these other things. I do think a couple other things are important to check in on here. First of all, This thing is so big that the Pope weighed in, Kevin. This was like a thing where suddenly you have like the Pope talking about AI, which I always just love it when the Pope kind of inserts himself into different things.

Kevin Pereira: If you remember, the Pope had this big kind of mid journey thing that happened where he's wearing the puffy coat a while back. [00:27:00] Now the Pope is just saying, hey, you have to think about humans, which I agree. I agree. The Pope was on Threads talking about the Kendrick Lamar halftime show as well, and I He's getting out there.

Kevin Pereira: Is he team Kendrick or team Drake? Which team is he on? Come on! He was, he was doing the walk for the culture, Gavin. And then finally, Macron, you know, sometimes we just love putting in soundbites because they just sound goofy. Last week we had a really good one from Masa from Japan. This week Macron, the leader of France, jumped in and really wanted to show how excited he is about AI.

Kevin Pereira: So let's play this one, Kevin. In this world where I have a good friend in the other part of the ocean saying, drill baby, drill. Here, there is no need to drill. It's just Plug baby plug. Electricity is available. You can plug it. It's ready. Kevin, do you think plug baby plug is going to become the rallying cry for French AI people?

Kevin Pereira: I hope he didn't ask LeChat to, uh, to punch up [00:28:00] his copy. Cause that's not good. No one should be saying plug baby. Let's keep plug baby plug in like one small room in France. It can, it can live there forever. Kevin, it can roll. You can't find the exit to the dungeon and you hear that. Yeah. All right. Okay.

Kevin Pereira: It's a big deal. Definitely go catch up on this stuff. And, and we'd love to hear from people what your thoughts on European AI versus American AI are. It's it's, it just feels like we're getting bigger and bigger all the time. I'm going to. I'm gonna play for you, Gavin, some audio from some other thought leaders, and I want you to tell me if you can, uh, see anything, or hear anything, or just interpret anything, off.

Kevin Pereira: Attention, everyone. We are gathered here today to discuss Zonos, our new open source text to speech model. Believe me, folks, I know all the voice models, let me tell you. Zyphrus is the best of the best. It's about to change everything. I'm a pretty busy guy, but I have to say, this really caught my attention.

Kevin Pereira: It's clear Zyphra took a step back and thought about [00:29:00] first principles when building this one. That's the voice he uses when flirting with Path of Exile NPCs. That is Zyphra AI. That is their Zonos, highly expressive text to speech model with high fidelity voice cloning. Those were not. Actual famous people, uh, notable figures, they released this Gavin, uh, basically, I mean, it's, well, it's under an Apache 2.

Kevin Pereira: 0 license, but they're basically giving this text to speech, uh, platform away. And I mean, it's, it sounds really good. I mean, the thing about these are always amazing to me is that as they get released, when things like this are open source, you're just like, wow, now we're in this world where suddenly like these clones could be made so easily.

Kevin Pereira: I mean, I think especially the Obama and the Trump one sounded pretty impressive there. And, you know, one thing I'm happy with is that we kind of passed through the election season last year where everybody was freaked out about deep fakes, because I do think there's a world where like, This is how people show this stuff off.

Kevin Pereira: But there are [00:30:00] really interesting use cases of these towards these sorts of technologies, whether it's like narrative stuff, or it's like you want people to read things to you. That can be super fun if done on your own and then licensed out in a larger way. But of course, as we've said all along, every step of the AI space is getting better.

Kevin Pereira: We talked about programming getting better, but this is AI audio models now. And also, Kevin, there's a there's a new big video model that is not out. It's another one of these things that's been shown off. It is called. Goku by ByteDance. So this is another big video model that is scoring crazy on all the video benchmarks.

Kevin Pereira: But most importantly, they are saying with this that they are attempting to kind of like get people to make ads with it. Like they're really focusing on the idea of being able to regenerate and create influencers to do social ads. So the cool thing about this is like, It's just amazing. But when you start to look at how these, you know, social people might show up, these completely fake people might show up in video, this is like a big change as well.

Kevin Pereira: Like, it's the next [00:31:00] step in the video model world. Yeah. I mean, look, we are all cooked if it's left. Left up to us to determine what is real and what is not, what is AI, what is synthetic, what is, I mean, these platforms have got to get better at verifying that the users on the other end are actual human beings, um, because I'm willing to bet now a majority of the interactions you see if you scroll through comments.

Kevin Pereira: Replies on Twitter, um, you know, all that stuff is mostly it's AstroTurf. It's a lot of boss. It's a lot of AI models. It's a lot of foreign actors and domestic. This is now going to happen with every influencer that you see as you scroll a sea of vertical videos, a percentage of them are going to be AI.

Kevin Pereira: And I really do weep for a future where the platforms don't care because they're just like, Oh, it's, it's user, it's usability for us. It's data, it's minutes, it's videos uploaded. We can monetize this. Like that scares me. This video model looks really good, looks super capable, and the influencer portion of it that you're talking about, Gavin, it's like, if you've ever [00:32:00] uploaded a video of yourself talking to a camera, let alone holding up a product, congratulations, you just helped, you know, you helped train this thing, whether knowingly or otherwise, like, It looks, I mean, if you're not watching the video version, please go to the notes and check it out.

Kevin Pereira: If you're watching the video version, you're seeing on screen like these, they look totally believable. Vertical videos of people holding up products, eating the chalupas, uh, showing off the pastries. Scrubbing their face with oils like it's all of the things that you see on like a influencer talk and it looks totally believable.

Kevin Pereira: I'm so interested in looking at the future of whether people will engage with this stuff or not or whether people will care. Um, the guy who founded BuzzFeed, Jonah Peretti, actually just came out with a very long memo that I found interesting. I have some problems with it, but like one of the things he talks about is that the companies that found these sorts of things like TikTok, they're focused on the algorithm, right?

Kevin Pereira: They're entirely focused on the idea. Of what gets engagement, it's not about the content per se, it's more about the algorithm. And the question will be is like, will [00:33:00] these perform in an algorithm? Will people want to see that? And I, I'm not convinced yet, but like, I don't doubt that there's videos in here that could be made that could be just as compelling sometimes as real world influencers.

Kevin Pereira: And then it will be a choice of like, do you care? Do you care that this person isn't real? Like, or are you attracted to, or do you find yourself connected to one of these people that you suddenly become fans of? I follow, I follow plug baby plug. Oh no, no, no, no. Plug baby plug is not supposed to be talked about on the show.

Kevin Pereira: Oh, sorry. Yeah, sorry. No. Well, listen, you know, the, the motivations of a tick tock or an algorithm owner to maximize engagement is one thing I worry about, uh, the motivations by someone who's, who. Who wants to sway public opinion, let's say, and if you're, if you're flicking through a social feed and you see a thousand people remarking on a piece of legislation or a social movement or trying to cancel someone who might be a political opponent or a corporate opponent, whatever, [00:34:00] like if you can't tell from that knee jerk reaction, if they're real or not, you might absorb it and move on.

Kevin Pereira: And we all know the effects of it. That sort of, uh, echo chamber bias of, well, if a thousand people are saying, this is bad, this is a terrible thing. It must be. And then I moved back on to my water skiing squirrel and I'm like, ha ha ha. I'm not going to be able to sleep tonight. That's not real either, Kevin.

Kevin Pereira: Surprise! That water skiing squirrel is real. He's as real as could be. Um, speaking of, whether it's water skiing squirrels or aliens in your own household that are squatting, You can't trust your eyes. And that's partially due to a tool that you got some real hands on time with. We're going to talk about later in the show, but I think we should tease it.

Kevin Pereira: Yeah. So I got hands on with Pika Editions, which is the new tool from Pika dot art, which allows you to put a AI character or something in a real world scene. So I'll show that later. We have some fun things that I made with it, but also some fun mistakes. But Kevin, right now, we also have to talk about another big AI video drop that just happened.

Kevin Pereira: Adobe's firefly [00:35:00] beta. So this is something we've been anticipating for a while. Adobe, the company that makes Photoshop and premiere literally just dropped this. Um, and I think what's interesting about this is Adobe's plan was always a, you have the rights to use all these things because they own all the material that has trained it and be that they kind of see this as a professional tool that might be used for people going forward.

Kevin Pereira: And I want you to look at some of the examples that I created. So, so I, I basically, you'll, you get two. Things for free with this, you get two generations for free. The bummer a little bit is it costs 30 bucks extra, even if you are a creative cloud subscriber, which is not a cheap subscription in the first place.

Kevin Pereira: So the first one that I generated, I generated was the, uh, people walking in Japan. And that's a very straightforward prompt, which was, um, two people holding hands and skipping on a street in Tokyo, which I don't think was an amazing generation. Right. It's, it's, it's not. And like, look, this is, this might be where the rubber meets the road a little bit about limiting your data set because you want it to be ethically [00:36:00] sourced.

Kevin Pereira: So on one hand, like kudos on the other hand, the output, not as good as some other unrestricted models that maybe don't care about their training data. And in the second one, Kevin, I had put in the prompt, like, a person wearing a hot dog suit is running from the police. And, you know, you can see at least it got the police, but it didn't really get a hot dog costume.

Kevin Pereira: It almost looks like a weird dog costume. And clearly the person themselves are not that good in this either. Like, they definitely have issues with the generation. Even looking at the people in the background, who I think are kind of They kind of meld into each other and they, that one of them starts to walk backwards or sideways.

Kevin Pereira: Like I know that all of these models have issues with physics, something we will explore in a little bit. Um, but this is this, if this were free for all, I would say, great, go ahead and generate to your heart's content. Like, why not? That's another model, but. The fact that you have to have a subscription and then pay additional fees on top of the subscription for that quality output is a little underwhelming right now.

Kevin Pereira: Well, [00:37:00] and what I'll do here, we'll put up the comparison I made. I did the same Tokyo prompt for Kling 1. 6 and Minimax, both of which are paid models. So these are not free models, but obviously the other two, I think did it much better. And clearly the big thing is like both of the other ones are obviously in Tokyo, right?

Kevin Pereira: Which makes it much more clear. And I think that this is just going to be a struggle. I think a little bit for Adobe is that this is the first version it is in beta. So I don't want to like, you know, crap on it too much, but it's, it's going to struggle compared to some of these Chinese models, which clearly have less, um, ethical sourcing issues, but also have been in the market for longer.

Kevin Pereira: Right. So I think you're going to see things even Sora and, and, uh, VO two, which is not out yet, that's Google's model. Both are significantly past what this is, and you have to assume that they have at least more restrictions on them than the Chinese models do. So definitely worth going and trying to get your two generations out.

Kevin Pereira: I don't know if I would recommend right now paying the extra money, but go try it. It is free to get these two gens out for now. All right, well, that's Firefly. As Gavin said, peak additions is actually [00:38:00] super fun. Shockingly powerful, and it's free, and we're gonna talk about it in just a minute. But for now, we have to focus on all the things that stopped us dead in our tracks and made us say, Hey!

Kevin Pereira: I see what you did there. Sometimes you're scrollin without a care Then suddenly you stop and say I

Kevin Pereira: want to start off with a fan film made by the same guys who made the Batman fan film that we shouted out last time. This is a Star Wars fan film. So they are continually playing around with some of the biggest IP. So last time, just to be clear, so the cabin, the kid and a bunch of other people, a couple of two other guys make these films.

Kevin Pereira: The Batman film they made was really interesting and compelling, got taken down by Warner Brothers for a copyright issue. This time they're going with Star Wars. This film, again, it's the same [00:39:00] sort of thing. It is 10 minutes long. I would not say it's like when you watch it, it's like watching a Star Wars movie, but it is not far off.

Kevin Pereira: And these guys are doing a really interesting job of kind of pushing the idea of what AI tools can do if you squeeze them all together. In general, I think it's just a really cool way to look at how these AI tools can be made. And again, it is a fan film. It is meant to be a fan film, but it is also a great example of how AI video can be used at a pretty high level.

Kevin Pereira: Gavin, do you think there's a reason they're using notable IPs from companies that are particularly litigious? Like, is there Mario fanfic coming up next? Like, and why are Why would they be doing that? Well, I mean, here's the thing. First of all, uh, notable IPs, we'll get more people to watch it cause there'll be interesting.

Kevin Pereira: And then also there is a controversial element, right? Like getting something taken down by a company does get you known in some form and that not to say that that's sort of what they're aiming for, but like they are showing that these companies are aware of this stuff. And it's really big. I just think it's a very cool thing to [00:40:00] see somebody trying to do more than the 32nd kind of video.

Kevin Pereira: Like this is a 10 minute video and there is a narrative to it. Well, listen, I'm no stranger to having my content taken down and flagged on multiple platforms, but something that still exists are all my, um, passionate foot massage videos. As you know, I'm, uh, a bit of a foot fanatic, right? You're a foot You're a foot You're a foot I'm a footie?

Kevin Pereira: You're a footie. You love footie. Well, Kevin brought this, this link up to me and I was like, I don't know if I really want to talk about it, but I figured we would, and I kept bringing it up over and over and over late nights. What's that messages. So this is from cursed AI, which is one of the greatest.

Kevin Pereira: Parts of Reddit are slash cursed AI. This is just a very dumb and I'm sorry if I'm seeing this and you're like, what am I looking at? This is a AI prompt saying who gives the best foot massage. And it's literally a pair of feet. And then each time in front of the feet, you see different famous characters.

Kevin Pereira: So you have like Darth Vader, you have all the kind of like classic versions. Um, my favorite one is [00:41:00] into it. Barney is away. I love, of course, at the very end of this slideshow is Shrek, who is, who is almost in like a meditative state while he's doing it. Or, he hates it so much he has to imagine something and something entirely different.

Kevin Pereira: Like he's imagining Fiona in a different world. Cause these are, these may or may not be Fiona's feet. We have no idea. Also, the, uh, I mean, Robocop is also a great Yes, listen, CursedAI, subscribe to the subreddit if you're not. It's just a fun, silly misuse of IP while we're on that subject. It's great. Now, uh, Robocop giving a foot massage?

Kevin Pereira: Okay. I Could Could Could it be my kink? Sure, Gavin. It could be. But I would need a motion out of a Robocop. Right. If I'm getting a cyber cyborg massage, you are keep going. Keep going, keep going. I almost called it a

Kevin Pereira: bleep that out. We'll bleep that out. All right. If if a [00:42:00] robot is bleep that out, it's enjoying it. No, it's a massage with a massage. It's consensual. The robot is giving you a massage. The robot is giving you a massage. The robot is diving deep into my gut. Technical difficulty. I want to know that it is enjoying it as much as me.

Kevin Pereira: And how do you get that, Gavin? It's through emotion. And what company do you trust more to tap into the emotion of machines than our good friend, Timmy Apple and Apple computers? They have, uh, actually several releases about humanoid robots that they're running experiments on to get them to, um, uh, use AI to, to show emotion, uh, to exhibit it.

Kevin Pereira: And there's a, a demo video of a robot that's kind of doing a come hither as if it's summoning you for a foot massage. That's actually points down to your little toesies. It points down and goes, piggies. Piggy's now. Piggy's please. Piggy's please. So yeah, so look, so Apple [00:43:00] is working on adding emotion to robots.

Kevin Pereira: We don't know if they're building their own humanoids behind closed doors, or if they're just going to, you know, make this available. But they have an emotional large language model, if you will, that can read its environment and then react to it, which is interesting. But Along those lines, they also released something called elegant.

Kevin Pereira: Yes. I want to talk about this. Which can you live it. I'll just say what it is very quick and then I will clear the deck. It's called uh, elegant. E L E G N T. Uh, the demo video has a Pixar looking lamp and it says, expressive and functional movement design for non anthropomorphic robot. That's What it stands for somehow, I guess, or that's, that's the description of it.

Kevin Pereira: So, uh, non anthropomorphic non human looking something, a robot, how can it express itself through its function and movement in the demo video is a bit of a Pixar lamp. Knocking some blocks and chasing the reader's book around and you feel some sort of way here. Here's the thing [00:44:00] I'm so happy that these are made.

Kevin Pereira: I'm so happy that we're getting into emotional robots I believe this is probably very useful Especially for older people if they're gonna be the ones being cared for by robots could be us when we're old You know, I mean, I want them to have like the understanding of like when I'm unhappy Let's not make lamps emotional, please.

Kevin Pereira: Can, can lamps not be emotional? I need a lamp to show me Wait, hold on, hold on. That's your, your specific hangup is just lamps? Well, not just lamps, functional machines. A lamp is a functional machine that I want to be putting a light in an area that I might want to read or I want to see something. Sure. I don't need a lamp that is like slowly turning at me and wondering if I'm mad or angry.

Kevin Pereira: Just gimme the damn light lamp. That's all I need. And this, this, the whole thing around the idea of like a moving lamp. I, I, I don't want it, I don't want it. Kevin, I'm, I'm gonna ludite out on this. I'm gonna lamp ludite out. , leave it alone. Let's let the lamps be lamps and let's let the human eye, even if a humanoid robot came by and like.

Kevin Pereira: Hold a flashlight. That's fine. That's enough of a lamp. Yeah, exactly. [00:45:00] Stop shining the flashlight on my feet. I don't need a plate that slides around on my desktop where I can't eat my sausage. You know what I mean? It's like, do I want to play a game with my food? No, I don't want to play a game with the lamps either.

Kevin Pereira: So this is where I stand on this. I'm very, I'm very angry. I, I love a world where the lamp just keeps slowly creeping and shining the light on your feet. Of course you would, you would love the light on the feet for sure. That's an important thing. Those are looking a little tense. Uh, I'm just trying to read well anyway, so that, it's a very cool thing to see emotional robots.

Kevin Pereira: I think this is cool. Well, let's talk about the, the last thing we wanna get into today, which is the little bit about, um, physics. and AI. So one of our favorite follows on X, if you're not following her, you should venture twins shared a really interesting image to video test where she used some of the biggest image to video models and showed what a, a metal ball down, uh, bouncing down them would look like.

Kevin Pereira: None of them really crushed it. And we all know that kind of physics are not the greatest thing for AI models in general. Yeah. I mean, it's, it's, uh, someone [00:46:00] is, is working on this. I'm sure they're, uh, training a physics model that can interact with an image generation model, no doubt. But right now the sort of, um, physics interactions or, uh, particle effects that you get of like people splashing through water or whatever, I think more like interpreted and intuited from the, uh, the data set it's, I mean, this is a four, four box comparison between Lumas Ray two, which just came out, opening eyes, Sora.

Kevin Pereira: Runway and Pika 2. 1 and you see this metal ball reflecting down some marble stairs or in the case of Sora It looks like the old NES game marble madness where you're half drunkenly trying to control a marble through an obstacle course And it goes down and then gets huge and then goes back up the stairs.

Kevin Pereira: Yeah, the physics be damned. Basically. None of them do it Particularly well, some of them hallucinate and have fear Extra marbles and balls coming out of everywhere. Um, it's bizarre, but it is a nice reminder of, you know, where we're at. Oddly enough, um, there's a reply in it where [00:47:00] Adobe's Firefly model that just came out, it doesn't really bounce down the stairs.

Kevin Pereira: It sort of kind of rolls along them, but it's there. It is oddly one of the, I think, the better approaches. And this led me to another tweet, Kev. At LiveBetween2B tweeted, Attempting to recreate epic fails with AI inadvertently creates a whole new category of epic fails. So this video is a guy falling off a ladder in a weird, uh, you know, ice place.

Kevin Pereira: And it made me think of, the epic fail is like internet gold, right? Like it's been something that you and I have been fans of forever. It's been around really since the advent of YouTube, even before that. So I went through using my VO2, uh, access, which is Google's very good AI model. I still think VO2 is the best AI model and wanted to see if I could create some epic fails.

Kevin Pereira: So I used chat GPT to create some of the best epic fail prompts. And I will say, I think it got a little too crazy with the prompts, but if you look at these, the first one is on a worksite. Weirdly, it's in a fish lens where There's some [00:48:00] guy carrying some wood and the wood falls off, but then like all hell breaks loose.

Kevin Pereira: So we see that one is the first one, which is, you know, fine. It's not the most amazing thing in the world. The second one is, was meant to be a guy slipping on a banana peel. And what's funny is that you see a banana falling on the ground. A guy in a yellow suit doesn't ever hit the banana, but then he does get this briefcase flown in the air and all the people at a fancy, uh, uh, you know, event are kind of laughing at him.

Kevin Pereira: And then the best one was epic fail number three. Okay, so I asked ChatGP to make me a crazy prompt and it is A confident man attempts an ambitious backflip off a picnic table at a crowded park Midair, his foot catches on a dangling hot dog from a kid's plate Sending mustard flying as he flails wildly There's like three more lines including crowd gasp, rogue frisbee Yeah, it's a lot going on So I did this and what's amazing is like this is the return of broken AI video, right?

Kevin Pereira: Like if you just look at these four videos kind of back to back, you can kind of see like it gets the flip off the picnic table, but then like [00:49:00] almost every other part of it gets weird. A guy and a bike shows up strangely in the first one and a couple of them, but I just love the fact that. That like epic fails will make AI video like kind of this crazy.

Kevin Pereira: One of the guys just continually flips back and forth endlessly. So anyway, this is a fun way to test your AI video models. It's just a cool way to try stuff. And then, oh, these are super fun. Yeah. I, at the very end, what I wanted to do is I got in my brain. We all talked about the great fall video before I thought, Hey, why don't I try to see if I can just prompt the great ball video and see what happens.

Kevin Pereira: So I used, again, I used a very simple prompt to ask chat GPT to give me a Prompt for the great fall. And I got four versions. It's not there yet, but it's getting close, Kevin. It's getting close. You see a woman getting into a great basket and then falling in various different ways and tumbling out. All it, all it's missing is the, Oh, it's just missing audio.

Kevin Pereira: Listen, I love, I love this. I almost like, again, I hope. You know, I don't know if it's not going to be the way back machine because they won't have access to it. But I hope these [00:50:00] companies are archiving the old model. These checkpoints. Yeah, these old models, because, yes, we're going to get to a point where it can perfectly model physics and everything does look real and believable.

Kevin Pereira: I like the broken absurdity. I like the fever dreams. stuff. I think that's great. So I, I hope we'll still be able to go back to it. So that's it for our AI suite today there. I'm excited to talk about Pika additions, which you can actually see a little bit more. And we gave an early preview in our newsletter, Kevin, which if you can subscribe to, you're welcome to.

Kevin Pereira: It's a very nice once a week newsletter comes out on Tuesday. You can go to our website, AI for humans dot show. It's really focused on trying to give you a very quick, interesting couple things around the AI space. We don't, like, make it very long on purpose so that you can kind of get through it quickly.

Kevin Pereira: It's something we have fun doing and we hope you like it. Go to AIforHumans. show. That's actually our main website. You can grab it for free there. And then, uh, you know, if you got an extra second, Like, subscribe, why not? I mean, you can't really do it there, but I just, I'm going to beg and plead again. And share it, share it, share it with us.

Kevin Pereira: All right, [00:51:00] Kev. So let's talk about what we did with AI this week. I'm going to get into PikaDitions. So PikaDitions is a new way to use Pika. Our Pika. We've talked about on the show quite a bit. It is a, uh, an AI video model with a bunch of tools. If you remember a couple of months ago, we talked about the fact that they introduced The ability to create squishing and the ability to do all these kind of fun, like effects and Pika seems to be focused on this really interesting place, which is we're going to give tools to users that are slightly different than just the main AI video model, because I will say their main model is not like the best.

Kevin Pereira: It's still good. It is not the best, but. This allows you to basically take a video of yourself or your environment and insert an AI character into it. So my first prompt with this was I actually was sitting on my couch and I was like, let me just try this. So I sat down and recorded a seven second video.

Kevin Pereira: You have to have videos that are five seconds each. And I prompted to put the monster, the ghost from death note behind me. And what's cool about this is like, Not only does it fit into my living room, but you see the guy directly look [00:52:00] at the camera. And I was like, wow, this is really interesting. Like, I mean, you can probably describe it a little bit, but what we're seeing here is it feels like pretty unique.

Kevin Pereira: And the fact that it happened very fast and for free is pretty cool. Yeah, and there's, there's interesting stuff like the, the, the awareness of like, okay, the, the ceiling is there, the head's not clipping into it or clipping through it at all. It understands the, the depth because you're clearly in front of it moving about, it's masking out the background.

Kevin Pereira: As you mentioned, the, the, the notion that the character is aware of the camera and kind of looking into the lens was very, very creepy and cool. It seems, I mean, they're short clips and it's, it's hard to tell, but in other examples that I've seen, it looks like it's trying to match the environmental lighting for it.

Kevin Pereira: or whatever is there and cast self shadows and whatnot. I mean, it's, it seems pretty advanced for again, something that you can get like up to 15 free generations with. Yeah, it's like, you know, it's like the idea of like there were, there are toys that sometimes become real tools and that's kind of feels like where this is going.

Kevin Pereira: So the other thing I decided to do was like, I was like, okay, I'm going to figure out a character to create like a mini kind of narrative with. [00:53:00] So I took like. When a gray alien character and by all you do here, by the way, is you take a video and then you take a single photo of a thing and then it merges those things together.

Kevin Pereira: So it's not like I did some sort of crazy work here. You take a single photo and put it in. I created a mini video of an a hole alien around my house, including some video. And you can see in this instance, it's like. There's multiple shots. The alien in general, like pretty well fits into all these places, especially the last shot where he's laying on the bed.

Kevin Pereira: Like it really looks like he's part of that environment. And that is not there originally. Like the original was just an empty space. And that to me really kind of shows the future of where this stuff can go. So what was the hit to miss ratio, would you say, as you were generating these things, because a lot of times these are slot machines.

Kevin Pereira: You pull the handle and you're not pleased with the result. In this instance, I Pretty high hit ratio. Like I, those alien shots that you're seeing in there were all first shots. They were not, there was one in there that we had to do a second shot on. I will say there's some fun, uh, additional ones. I tried that [00:54:00] didn't work out as well.

Kevin Pereira: If you look at the three kind of fails of the bed shop, one, I tried to put Godzilla in there. Godzilla wasn't lying down. He's kind of like walking in. The one that's very funny to me is that there's a guy, if you see in there with like kind of dark hair, he's shirtless and he's sitting in my bed, which looks creepy, but that was supposed to be that famous picture of Jeff Goldblum, where he's kind of laying back and he's got like his shirt off.

Kevin Pereira: I think it's from either Jurassic Park or the fly, one of those things, definitely not Jeff Goldblum, some random guys laying in my bed. And then I tried to just take a random picture from, Uh, a mid journey generation or, or an ideogram generation that I had of a woman with a cowboy hat and she kind of like, you can tell her arms are kind of broken off.

Kevin Pereira: Yeah. So it doesn't work perfectly for everything. But one thing that's interesting about both the death note thing and the alien is that I used a full, um, full body image when I put it in there. So that may make a difference. But again, This looks like a toy, but it actually has much bigger implications because of how you could be doing these kind of effect shots, especially when you consider like an independent film.

Kevin Pereira: Now, it's not perfect and it's [00:55:00] short. It's only five plus seconds right now, but I believe this tool, this kind of tool will scale up in a major way to professional filmmakers as well. Once you have an ounce of control over it and can extend the scenes and maybe, you know, direct the action of the things that you're adding.

Kevin Pereira: Like we've seen, um, implementations of that across other projects. There's no doubt in my mind that that will end up here. And I'd say like, get in now before people know about this and start messing with all of your families. Facebook videos or their Instagram stories and just put things in there that they wouldn't remember or they would trip them out and send them back.

Kevin Pereira: Like now's the time. But Kevin, of course we know what you're going to be doing with this in about 10 minutes, right? So go take off your shoes, figure out what you need to do. They're already off. Yep. Nope. Piggies are out. We'll see everybody. We'll see everybody next week. Thank you for watching everybody.

Kevin Pereira: We'll see y'all soon. Bye. [00:56:00] [00:57:00] Bye.