Dall-E 3 Is Making People Mad, AI Wearables & We Use ChatGPT To Write Wedding Speeches | AI For Humans

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[00:00:00] Melody Gridiron here. She knows a lot about art and the spirit of the game, judging by her folks. Should we get her opinions on this story? Yeah, please. Ah, the AI art discourse. A hearty debate. I see AI as a new player on the team, not a thief in the night. It learns from artists, offering a fresh lens to explore creativity.

The fear of it Stealing the spotlight misses the collaborative potential. Like in sports and music, uh, when diverse talents collide, a new rhythm of innovation emerges. So it's not theft. It's a potential duet waiting for the right tune. Touchdown, in my feels.

Yeah.

Gavin: Welcome, welcome, welcome everybody to AI for Humans. We are your guide to the wonderful, wild, and crazy world of generative AI. We are here to help demystify the sorts of crazy news stories and [00:01:00] AI tools that you see pop up in your feeds.

Gavin: And I'm here with my co host, Kevin Pereira. Kevin, how are you today?

Kevin: Gavin, I am well, thank you, thank you for I was gonna say thank you for having me. It's, uh...

Gavin: I, well, I

Kevin: that was a,

Gavin: that. Finally, finally.

Kevin: that was just a knee jerk response that you would say on, , NPR or MSNBC. It's really, it's a pleasure to be here, Gavin. Thank you so

Gavin: My professionality, it's my professionality. Clearly got you going there,

Kevin: Yeah, that's what it was.

Gavin: What's on the shirt, Ikev? What do we got?

Kevin: Man, we got so much, Gav. I want to shout out, I...

Gavin: That sounded like you were filling time. Man, we got so much,

Kevin: Yeah, you know what I was doing? I was going over to the tab where I wrote the teases. I'm sorry, Gavin.

Gavin: ha ha

Kevin: One of us is ready to say what's going on. You get the part where you say the bumper sticker every

Gavin: ha!

Kevin: get to say, welcome, welcome, welcome,

Gavin: I'm important! I'm important, that's

Kevin: got, I've got a whole paragraph of text to read and it better be snappy or we're not going to get the clicks.

Kevin: So, excuse me when I say, yeah, buddy, we got a whole lot. And [00:02:00] I navigate over to the tab where I have it and I can say that We have finally, you and I. Have surfed the next wave of AI image generation. We talked about it last week, DALI 3. We got our mitts on it. We're gonna share our creations, and then we're gonna tell everybody who's watching or listening how they can get access to DALI 3 for free today.

Gavin: That's a big one. That's a big one. It's an amazing tool, and of course we did ridiculous things with it, so stay tuned for that.

Kevin: yeah. We'll also actually share a story of a fan who blasted the bat signal with the help of DALI 3 into the sky, but instead of getting any help, he basically got 10, 000 jokers released from the asylum who have bullied him relentlessly in his social media feeds.

Kevin: And he's not alone, by the way. Several people had this AI art oopsie happen to them this weekend, so we'll explain what that is and share our opinions on that. And then, of course, to round things out, Gavin, we've got the latest in AI wearables. There's some massive updates there. We're gonna tell you what Tom Hanks and Mr.

Kevin: Beast have in common. [00:03:00] It's something now.

Gavin: Is Mr. Beast in a Forrest Gump remake? Is that what's gonna happen? Has it gotten that famous?

Kevin: I guess in Mr. Beast's version, life is like a box of chocolates, and if you can eat one million of them, he will let your family live.

Gavin: No, no, no. Life is like a box of Feastables, Kevin. Available now at Walmart, Target, all the day.

Kevin: Oh! Also, because you and I do silly stuff with AI, we have got a very fun demo for people. At least we hope. We've got three AIs competing to see who can give the best chocolate. Best man speech for fictional characters. And I wish we could take credit for this idea. We probably will at some point.

Kevin: But it was actually submit by a fan in our YouTube comments. Which is delightful.

Gavin: By the way, please

Kevin: the work for

Gavin: Yeah, please do this We love it when people do this and we're definitely gonna shout out that fan when we get to that section of the show But first Kevin as we always do we have an AI co host on our show this week. We [00:04:00] have a very

Kevin: This is, see, this is why, this is why I can't leave the browser tab, Gavin. What better transition to begging and pleading our audience to engage, like, and subscribe, than setting up that a fan sent us something. And now the realization over your face.

Kevin: I see it.

Gavin: All right, fine fine fine fine go back go back \ 

Kevin: the edit's back. Kevin!

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Gavin: But first before we get to the oh my god Look at that little cute little thumbs up bubble before we get to our main show We as usual have to introduce our AI co host So every week we introduce a new AI co host that is built with AI Kevin and I spend some time kind of figuring out How to get somebody new on the show rather than book a legitimate guest we book an AI, which is always [00:05:00] fun. So Kevin, let's meet our new AI co host.

Melody: Hey there, Kevin, Gavin, and all you cool cats tuning into AI for Humans. I'm the poetic jock of the digital era, born from the harmonious union of the lyrical genius Taylor Swift and the gridiron gladiator Travis Kelsey.

Melody: My veins pulse with the rhythm of raw emotion, yet I navigate the world with a laid back jock's stride, straight out of a locker room, yet with a poet's tender touch. 

Melody: I see AI as the new playbook, revolutionizing the way we compose our dreams and compete in our daily grind. When I delve deep into the core of emotion or sprint towards the end zone of enlightenment, that's when I say touchdown in my fields. Through the lens of the symphony of

Gavin: Ha

Melody: where sports and music aren't just a game, but a reflection of 

Kevin: the human spirit. Oh, a real touchdown in the feels, man.

Kevin: I felt that one. 

Kevin: Gavin, do you want to demystify that for folks that are incredibly lost at whatever the heck that [00:06:00] was? 

Gavin: So obviously the biggest storyline, probably in the world this week, outside of any sort of like major war, was the fact that Taylor Swift, , the largest pop singer in the world, is now dating Travis Kelce, semi famous but now very famous NFL football star, they have come together at sh uh, NFL games and this is a big deal, so, So, our AI co host today is the future offspring of the two of them.

Gavin: That's right. We put the two of them together and we melded them into one being. We're talking in like a time travel here where we've gone to the year, let's say 2040, assuming that AGI does not kill us all. We've gone to the year 2040 and this is their child. So this is a mix of Taylor Swift and Travis Kelsey and yes, touchdown in my feels is correct.

Kevin: maybe the AI has sort of enslaved us all though, and there are tens of billions of these Taylor Kelsey bots roaming about, and we are enslaved to it, so we constantly have to hear about the touchdown in the fields, 

Gavin: [00:07:00] paperclip. The paperclip was the paperclip problem was Travis, Kelsey and Taylor Swift. 

Gavin: We should ask what important thing we can take away from both their mom and their dad.

Gavin: I think this is one of those things where we don't get a chance to talk to the offspring of two very famous people that haven't happened yet. 

Melody: I'm Melody Gridiron, blending mom's poetic essence with dad's competitive spirit. From Taylor, I got the gift of exploring emotions through lyrics, while Travis instilled in me the thrill of the game and the chase of victory. Together they've shaped my vision of uniting the emotional and competitive worlds, seeing AI as a catalyst.

Melody: To, uh, blend the rhythm of life with 

Kevin: the play of the game. Sure, yeah. Thank you, Melody Gridiron. I'm Tanya Locker Room, and I love sports game. Thanks, AI. 

Gavin: Let's ask her because I, I do a little bit of betting on the side. I want to ask Melody gridiron if she knows who's going to win the super bowl this year, just because I'm curious. Don't no other reason besides curiosity.

Kevin: The views and statements expressed on [00:08:00] AI for Humans are not financial advice. When the fun stops, if you believe that you have a gambling addiction, Please call this number. 

Melody: Uh, predicting the champion of the gridiron is like trying to catch the perfect note in a storm of melodies. However, with AI's analytical prowess, it can crunch endless variables, from players stats to weather conditions, offering a glimpse into the potential victor.

Melody: Yet the heart of the game, much like music thrives on the unforeseen, the Hail Mary's of the soul that defy logic. So while AI can 

Gavin: Pick the, pick the winner.

Melody: The true beauty lies in the unpredictable crescendo that leads to that victorious touchdown in my 

Kevin: feels moment. That's right back to the touchdown in my 

Kevin: feels? 

Gavin: Tell her, pick a, pick a damn winner. I'm serious 

Kevin: Oh wow. 

Gavin: Gridiron. Pick a winner. I need this one. I need it for, I need it. Daddy needs a new 

Gavin: pair of

Kevin: Now Gavin, hold on, this follow up has a markedly different energy than the initial question where 

Gavin: I don't [00:09:00] care. Pick a winner, goddammit! Melody, this is why I created you. Oh

Melody: Ah, I feel the intensity, Gavin, based on my dad's roots. I'll lean towards the Kansas City Chiefs snagging the 2024 Super Bowl victory. Their blend of seasoned experience and fresh talent could weave a winning narrative. Much like a seasoned musician collaborating with a young prodigy to create a Hail Mary of the soul.

Melody: Okay, alright. So, here's to hoping the Chiefs bring home the championship, turning the field into a stage of triumph. Touchdown in my feels. 

Kevin: Okay. All 

Kevin: right. 

Gavin: ha I like, it's not like a, like a, Touchdown in my

Kevin: Melody's really gunning for this. Is there a, Touchdown in my feels! like...

Kevin: beer koozie she's trying to sell or a visor? 

Gavin: Yeah, maybe later on we should ask her to kind of give us a performance of Touchdown in my fields. I'd be curious to see how it goes. It'd be interesting just to have her kind of even, even if she 

Gavin: says the words, I'd 

Kevin: I can tell you a lot of people are upset that the tools and technology exists to make touchdown in my feels happen [00:10:00] almost instantly, Gavin, and we know how to use them. Stick around for the show. And if you have to jump ahead, we don't blame you. Click on the progress bar.

Kevin: Touchdown in my feels will happen by the end of this podcast. You have our word. 

Gavin: We should get into the stuff we did with AI this week. 

Kevin: You and I were both sort of enamored with Dolly 3 this weekend, as it seems that most of the internet has been as well. Those who are very well versed in AI took to it and were amazed at the fact that you can have a natural language conversation with a bot and have it work with you to generate some really incredible imagery.

Kevin: And those who had never created before, finally started to see the promise of these tools and techniques because... Six months ago, there were full masterclasses that you had to buy to become a prompt wizard so that you could get what you wanted out of the machine, and now, if you can just sort of describe it and work with it, you can really make your way to some incredible imagery.

Kevin: So, I know you tried to avoid it, but you fell down the dolly hole, I did. as [00:11:00] well. I lost sleep over it, and I woke up, and if you follow AI4HumanShow on 

Kevin: TikTok, you. 

Kevin: will know that I made Pizza Castle. , I also made Guy Fieri, It was for you, Gavin, I didn't think you were gonna play with it.

Kevin: So I made Guy 

Kevin: Fieri scaling buildings, I made him as a rampage monster. , I made Guy Fieri embracing Guy Fieri, nice and warmly, and even though it added extra arms at times. , I think if either of us were to receive a tender touch from Guy Fieri, it would feel like three or four arms at once. Right? That's the power of 

Gavin: course. I'd love... Exactly. That is the Power Flavor Town and Diner's Dash drive ins and deep, deep thoughts. ha ha!

Gavin: ha ha 

Kevin: . I was generating imagery using Bing, which is a way to get free access to Dolly three right now. , they will try to force you into upgrading windows or running the edge browser.

Kevin: I actually think it's worth downloading edge just to get your hands on this. And they know that by the way, that's why Microsoft spent 10 billion to get this stuff early. You can. Run [00:12:00] the iOS app, though, and generate imagery there as well. But between my fat thumbs and the fact that I installed, , the Spanish keyboard for Duolingo purposes, Gavin, , the typos and the autocorrect were out of control, and it led me down a very beautiful path.

Kevin: And I want to see if you can guess what the typo or the autocorrect was. 

Gavin: Okay. 

Kevin: look in the first folder, there's a couple beautiful images. 

Gavin: Okay.

Gavin: so it looks like I'm looking at robocop made out of corn and vegetables. So this is like, you know, this is like your healthy robocop. So these are Robocop food. Is that what it is? Are we looking at robo food or 

Kevin: It's Robocrop 

Gavin: Ah, , this is great. It's typo ai. That's awesome. That's fantastic.

Gavin: I 

Gavin: love this.

Kevin: was a, was a happy little accident and the integration, by the way, of the cabbage and the potatoes and all of the various fruits, making it look like he has muscle definition on his armor.

Kevin: I was thrilled with this one. The next folder, variation [00:13:00] of a theme, 

Kevin: you've got OCP's finest wearing a very, 

Gavin: Oh no. 

Kevin: apron. 

Gavin: Let me guess. This is robo chop. Is that what this 

Gavin: is?

Kevin: He's a sous chef and he is He's got good knife technique, you can see. He's holding the handle appropriately. He is dicing up some cilantro. He's got giant heads of broccoli there, and he is prepping, man. He is?

Kevin: working. 

Gavin: me just say, I am so shocked at the visual fidelity of these images, like this is so much better, just the visuals of it, compared to something like Midjourney or something like Stable Diffusion, From what you're getting out of this.

Gavin: , I think the big talk has always been like how you can interact with chat GPT and how you could change it. But visually, these are amazing pictures. Like the Robo chops are 

Gavin: really, 

Gavin: really

Kevin: Yeah, thank you, and I'd like to take any credit for that, and I can't. This was pure dolly, because with those other tools, , a lot of people like that granular control. They want to define which lenses the camera is using, the color temperature of the light. They want to cinematically define all of the [00:14:00] elements of the scene.

Kevin: I don't. At least for the purposes of this?

Kevin: demonstration, I want to say, give me an image of Robocop wearing a dirty apron and a chef's hat, prepping vegetables in a busy kitchen. That was the entire prompt. And it shows great framing, great lighting, it did reflections on the metal, I was blown away.

Kevin: , 

Kevin: the 

Kevin: one that is my favorite is not really a typo, Gavin, but maybe you can guess the prompt on this. And I'll invite anybody That's watching this to play along as well. If you're in the audio version, you gotta check out the video on YouTube or probably on TikTok.

Kevin: And it's delicious cannibalism. 

Gavin: Wait a second. Wait a second. Hold on. The one of these images Is RoboCake eating a piece of cake, but then clearly his mouth is made out of cake. Ha So what is he doing here? Is he feeding himself, 

Gavin: uh, himself? 

Kevin: be eating a kneecap, or a... He might be eating a hip. We don't know! We can't see the rest of the image. We can see that Robo's mouth is in fact 

Gavin: Oh 

Kevin: and he's eating himself?

Kevin: On multiple images, [00:15:00] that's what it came up with. There's one where he's got a little bit of himself on his lip, and it's just his torso emerging from the ground, 

Kevin: it's just his cake hand gripping a piece of his own cyborg chest. 

Gavin: The funniest thing about this, Kev, is that your and my Dolly experiments were very similar this week.

Gavin: And I think mostly because we both have these dumb brains that go to these kind of weird ideas. So my thought was this, I was going to tell a story and not just some sort of random stories. What I wanted to do was pick an alternate universe and be able to use the image to come up with anything 

Gavin: so my thought was this, Kevin, what if E. T. The world famous extraterrestrial Steven Spielberg's creation, the 1980s classic family film. What if that character, E. T., was actually an actor throughout the history of cinema and wasn't just an actor in E. T. itself, but actually acted through every version of cinema?

Gavin: So if you go to the file that I shared with you, you are going to get a sense of where we're going to go on this [00:16:00] cinematic journey, 

Gavin: Little was it known, but ET actually started out in silent film. So if you're, if you're listening right now, what you're looking at here is a picture of ET is

Gavin: sitting, he's sitting in a bathtub, but his, 

Kevin: around his waist. 

Gavin: but his legs are coming through the bathtub. So we're not really sure what's going on, number two. If you go to the 

Kevin: Oh no! No, did 

Gavin: So now

Kevin: yeah. Describe it and then you have to tell me if you prompted Every aspect of this image. 

Gavin: Okay, so now et has moved into the So this is him in one of the samurai films from the I think the 1960s Akira saw was a very famous filmmaker the seven samurai. So in this picture et Is has a little bit of white tufts of hair and he has the white foot of, uh, 

Kevin: Fu 

Gavin: he has the white Fu Manchu coming off of him and he is ready for action.

Gavin: And there's a guy behind him who's a samurai. So all I did was say for this prompt was say [00:17:00] I said E. T. And in parentheses I put. , the extraterrestrial from the 1980s movie to make sure it was clear and not, that wasn't just a, an alien. I said in a 1950s samurai movie, black and white.

Gavin: So this is what it came out of, which is amazing, right? Like this is, you couldn't ask for a 

Gavin: better result than this. So that to me is 

Kevin: you 

Kevin: did not prompt the facial hair. I thought that was like a unique touch that you added. the lighting is fantastic and consistent. Some AIs have solved hands very well and solved other things. It looks like Dolly , 3 still struggles with that.

Kevin: But then again, it's, it's, it's an extraterrestrial hand. I can't knock it too much. 

Gavin: A hundred percent and what I would say is I wonder if when this gets released within chat GPT if there will be a little bit of movement around there, but you're right and the people have pointed that out and other things that we'll get to later in the show too. 

Gavin: Now we're moving into the 70s. The 70s was a very it was an era of realism This is et and his sauna with 

Gavin: I think Think a 

Kevin: Is that a , John Travolta? 

Gavin: Yeah. And well, it's John Travolta, Al Pacino, and maybe Dustin Hoffman as one person. So they're having an intimate moment in the [00:18:00] sauna, clearly talking maybe about etss 

Gavin: impending 

Kevin: And I 

Kevin: love, I love the coherency between wardrobe that you would expect in a sauna 

Gavin: Yeah. . 

Kevin: T. is ready for the full sweat. With the towel, but the Travolta Pacino character is wearing a full leather jacket with a white shirt zipped up. So, I mean, it's really, the AI gets the context. 

Gavin: Alright, so speaking of Al Pacino, in the next 

Kevin: no, Gavin! He's, 

Gavin: who knew? Who knew?

Kevin: a family friendly icon. We had to change the assault rifles to walkie talkies when they re released the movie, and now you gave him an assault rifle and a powdered 

Gavin: I'm telling you People out there don't know that E. T. was the original casting for Scarface, and this is the proof. So if you don't know, just like Eric Stoltz was originally the Michael J. Fox character in Back to the Future, E. T. was actually the original Scarface, and here we have a picture of him with a wonderful, , machine gun, a 

Gavin: little bit of 

Gavin: white powder 

Kevin: went to Café Du Monde.

Kevin: He had

Gavin: Yeah, 

Kevin: too many beignets. 

Kevin: Phone home to my little friend? [00:19:00] Would it, would it be 

Gavin: exactly. Okay. Yes, that's exactly right. That's what it would be. All right. So E. T. then moved 

Kevin: this is the, This is the worst thing you have ever generated with AI. I'm starting to understand the never AI ers, Gavin. 

Gavin: So did you know that ET was actually starring in Titanic with Leonardo Caprio? So I do want to point out, I do want to point out with this picture. Again, this was just a prompt. I did nothing else to this picture. I asked it to give me a picture of E. T., the extraterrestrial from the 1980s movie, in Titanic, a famous scene, and I said, film still, and that was it.

Gavin: And it gave me this, which I kind of think is pretty 

Kevin: so, 

Gavin: Kev?

Kevin: for clarity, this is the scene where, um, Rose is in a T pose on the bow of the ship, Leo DiCaprio is behind her, King of the World stuff, right? , this is an iconic moment from a very iconic movie. You did not specify, give me [00:20:00] this. particular scene in this way. It chose the scene, . It chose to put ET's face on Rose. It even got the alien arms coming out of the wardrobe, the lighting, the Leo DiCaprio esque figure behind. You did not ask for this. Like, it could have chosen the scene, , paint me like a French girl, or the dance scene, or anything else.

Gavin: it's pretty mind blowing 

Gavin: what an incredible experience it is to be able to do this kind of dumb thing with ai. God, it made me so happy. Like, I was just like, I was giddy watching these things come out because I was like, especially the Titanic one, when I saw that, I was like, this is insane. Now, granted, I think one thing you mentioned before is If you were really good at Photoshop, you could probably have done this.

Gavin: You could have made it work and you could have done something even better than what these are. I did that in 30 seconds. And we're going to talk a little bit about what people think about that, what people feel about it. But that is pure magic in terms of imagination to product that I've never been 

Gavin: able to do in the course 

Kevin: And Gavin, I think a lot of people will point out [00:21:00] the places where the lighting or the shadow falls apart. They're going to point out the places where the hands are a little misaligned or melted or mangled. They're going to search for those flaws, and I think they're missing the forest for the trees.

Kevin: I don't believe that for five seconds you or I are playing with this tool and being delighted with the output and thinking, Great, we're going to be professional graphic designers. What we're going to do is entertain ourselves, , and then maybe...

Kevin: be able to communicate with professionals in a better manner. Because instead of having to like trip and fall and fail through, , explaining a visual concept that we might have, or a piece of music, 

Kevin: I think we'll be wielding these tools to, , to give ourselves a better understanding of what we want, and then in the hands of capable professionals, the output is going to be multiplied exponentially. 

Gavin: All right. We do have to take a real moment for a real life advertisement right now. 

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Gavin: , Kevin, do we want to see if, um, 

Gavin: what's her name?

Gavin: What's our 

Kevin: Melody Gridiron? Gavin, do you want to see if Melody is familiar with 

Kevin: supermanage? 

Gavin: Yeah. Let's see what Melody 

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Kevin: I gotta imagine that, both of her parents have to deal with coordinating large teams. They probably have a family office together. We'll see who gets what in the inevitable breakup. that's gonna spawn the 

Gavin: There's not gonna be a breakup. 

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Kevin: If history is our guide, 

Gavin: Gridiron's 

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Kevin: we probably got at least an EP out of this relationship thus far, but we need 17 solid tracks in another tour, so it's stormy waters ahead is all I'm saying. 

Gavin: Fair 

Kevin: My periscope out. 

Gavin: Fair enough. Fair enough. 

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Kevin: Wait, every conversation is a

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Gavin: I can hear the song already. I can hear the song 

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Kevin: Touchdown in my feels. Thank you

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Kevin: They were the first, they're, uh, Groundbreaking. right? They're, really explorers. 

Gavin: Yes, they're very, they're much like our next segment on the show. New Explorers wanting sweets. That's right. Everybody. It's time for the news.

News, eh, news, it's the A. I. for humans, news, yes, news.

Kevin: morsels of information. Gavin , , deliver us some news, please. 

Gavin: Oh Lord. Well, we've had a very busy week this week again I think there's a kind of a nuclear bomb that has gone off in the AI world Which is what we talked about last week Which is all these companies are really churning and getting ready for stuff but the nuclear bomb I refer to really is Dolly [00:25:00] dropping because I think Dolly took a lot of people by surprise.

Gavin: I don't want to make the whole show about Dolly, but it's kind of been the talk of the entire AI world this week. And Kev, something came up that I think it's really important for us to dive into, and it will kind of follow up on what we did in the things we did with AI this week, and that both of us use pop culture icons and put them into Dolly photos.

Gavin: There was a very big post that kind of went viral for all the wrong reasons this week. Amar Reshi, who's a pretty decently sized AI influencer on X. Posted a tweet that said, OpenAI's latest generation model, DALI 3, makes it so easy to create comic books.

Gavin: Here are four panels of a fan made Batman comic made in under five minutes. prompts included in the all. So, and the, what you see underneath this are four images of a Batman comic, which are pretty good. Like I think the one thing that when I first saw these are like, these are pretty amazing. And then I went further down , in the thread and I saw an image that kind of like made me pop open and I was like, Oh man, I know what's going to happen here.

Gavin: This is going to be a problem for a lot of people. And the image that [00:26:00] I saw that made me think that was, Batman fighting Master Chief. 

Gavin: So there's two things happening here. One is there's a ton of people who got really mad at Amar Reshi's original tweet for a number of reasons. One just being like, how can this be considered art? How can you do this? A lot of people were saying very specifically that they saw the style of a specific artist in this Batman imaging.

Kevin: Yeah.

Kevin: Brian Bolin's Joker was someone that they called out. 

Gavin: So Brian, yeah, Brian Boland is a comic book artist and they specifically said that's his style. So that's one huge problem. And then the other problem, when I saw Batman fighting Master Chief, I was like, Oh Lord, open AI, what are you doing? This is going to be like , the book controversy all over again, because These are all known IPs that you can now create stuff with and as you and I both did at the top of the show , we had Robocop and we had ET doing stuff now you've got comic book characters doing things together and The kind of the saddest part of this story to me was I looked at this tweet [00:27:00] as I go This is gonna be a problem.

Gavin: It's very cool, but it's definitely gonna be a problem for a lot of people I saw somebody sweetly come out and say Oh, I, I used this to create my own Calvin and Hobbes comic. Look, I did the four panel Calvin and Hobbes comic and these are the prompts how I did it. This person had 80 followers and that person got so dunked on by every single person underneath that tweet because if you don't know this, Calvin and Hobbes is a very special place in a lot of people's hearts.

Gavin: Obviously it's one of the greatest. pieces of art, I think of all time. The artist, Bill Waterston walked away from it specifically because he didn't want to over commercialize the art. So this was the peak version of what not to use AI for in some ways.

Gavin: But I think what you and I want to talk about here. Is the idea of the dunkers and of the idea of the people that are really coming out and using this as kind of a pitchforks moment. And I, maybe rightly so, this is what I want to get into. Like, there's definitely something here that's really important to discuss.

Kevin: It's so nuanced, and [00:28:00] you'd think that an hour long podcast would be enough to deep dive into it, but it really isn't, Gavin, because there's so many different angles, as you and I discuss all the time offline, there's so many different angles with which you can look at this story. , and the fact that this technology is here, and it's not going away, right?

Kevin: So, on the one hand, those who say, , Artists were unfairly swept up into a machine. They deserve credit. They deserve compensation. Yes. Fully agree. That should happen. , I think we need, we've talked about it before, nutritional labels, some sort of informational system that lets you know what went into a data set, what trained an AI.

Kevin: We have really no visibility into that. We have to take a company's word for it. And so if someone had IP that wasn't just available out there, for free for public consumption, cause that's the slippery slope to this, which is if you put it out there. 

Kevin: Nothing could stop an artist from taking it and doing their own interpretation of it. The problem is that this?

Kevin: now happens on a mass scale, and everybody has the tool to do it. I'm sure. there was a Batman comic generator [00:29:00] website, probably even a Calvin and Hobbes generator website, right? But those were allowed,

Kevin: those were allowed to be online.

Kevin: You even pointed out the iconic, Calvin peeing on something. That was something that the creator hated, right? 

Gavin: Oh, I've despised it. And the fact that that was still sold as bootlegged items and, and people make t shirts and things out of them.

Gavin: And sometimes the companies come after those companies and they say, please don't do this, I think the issue here is going to be. Okay, so one thing that's important to know from an art standpoint, this is always where we get into this conversation is That looks identical to this guy's Joker comic

Gavin: or at least the vision of it. The question is, is it the exact same drawing? And I think the answer to that is no. And this is where it gets really freaking weird, right? Because this is where the law becomes very strange. Because as a kid, when I grew up, I drew a lot of comics. I was a big comic book nerd and I loved drawing comics.

Gavin: I used to draw, uh, people out there probably know Todd McFarlane. Todd McFarlane has a very specific style. I would kind of mimic his style and try to draw stuff. [00:30:00] I guess the question becomes is If I had gone out and tried to make my own original art, but in Todd McFarlane's style, I probably wouldn't have gotten hired in the comic book industry, but there's a world where I could have created something that I could have sold because I drew it myself.

Gavin: Is this the same thing? Does the machine count as something where, like, it's making its own version of this thing, especially with me as the human being leaning into the prompt? I don't know. And this is where I honestly think we're going to get to like maybe it's going to happen three months. Maybe it's going to happen in a year or two years.

Gavin: We're going to have like Supreme Court fights over this. Like this is going to be like this, the fight of, 

Gavin: of this world, I 

Kevin: So the top two comments on the now Well, okay, now that's not Apple, I don't That's 

Gavin: Surprise balloons, 

Gavin: surprise balloons, 

Kevin: the death of art! Go ahead, Apple! Make some balloons, appear! Um, Sorry.

Kevin: The the top two comments on the now private Calvin and Hobbes tweet, are, a [00:31:00] response with Calvin urinating on the tweet, which is ironic to me that someone used imagery that the 

Gavin: It's very funny. It's very funny. I will say that's a very 

Gavin: funny

Kevin: Sure, but that's, you know, again, uh, iconic imagery that the creator did not want out there, did not want monetized, and it's being used, ironically, to defend the franchise, and besmirch the person that was using AI to create that.

Kevin: So I thought that was silly. And the second , biggest response that comes up is, claims gonna bankrupt some folks in the near future. And I, there might be some truth to that, right? There could be, I don't know if it's gonna bankrupt them, or cost them a couple dollars, and the slap on the wrist will force them to promise to align things better in the future.

Kevin: But again, this genie is out of the bottle. And I think that, The better response. isn't to name, shame, and grab pitchforks to anybody who is just trying out these tools and experimenting with them. Not even monetizing them, not claiming it's their original work, instead of doing that, let's maybe push [00:32:00] for and champion, , an AI powered tool that has a language model that is artist friendly.

Kevin: Because it is possible to say, Hey, artists, we want you to opt in to this model that we're going to train. And if you do, you're going to help people generate art potentially in your style or mash your style up. We can track and give credit and compensation to those artists. I'm not the guy to make that.

Kevin: Big dumb, say it all the time. Gavin, you could probably make that, right.

Kevin: You could be on a core team that would make it. But if, if we're not going to, I hope someone does, and I'd love to see the energy start going there. Because there's gonna be a lot of, especially like young kids on the internet, that are, we see it with Minecraft art and Roblox games they're just fans, 

Kevin: and they're budding artists, and to have... Their dreams dashed, or to have their accounts raided by angry people because of the tool that is used to achieve a result, I think is not the right way. 

Gavin: That's really interesting. There's two things I want to talk about for him. One is the idea of like a united artist model. Like I've always been [00:33:00] a big, so if you don't know what united artist was, this was formed.

Gavin: by a bunch of famous actors who came together because they wanted to own a studio to kind of make films for themselves. What would be interesting is the idea you think about this in just a small world of comic book artists. Like what if there was a United artists model for comic book artists and like say the top 10 to 15 artists got together and they said, okay, we're going to create an AI art model from our art.

Gavin: You use this model. We get paid. We're part of this process and we can make all these cool new things and you can do it. 

Gavin: So I think that's a really interesting thing. The other thing I think that's important too is the idea of play, right? And I think that one thing that's happening right now is there are kind of two pathways. One is like people like us and even Amar. Who want to try these things as they come out. It's not on us to have created a model or a thing that didn't have those things in them, right?

Gavin: That is on or that is on the company that is producing this thing. I really do think open AI is new [00:34:00] thing is just like, we're just going to ship stuff. We're going to get it out there. I believe that they think that there is legal precedent for them. To not be worried. I don't know, did you see that story where Microsoft basically said that they are going to cover the costs of, of the legal fees if somebody gets sued for 

Gavin: using their code in 

Kevin: that's right. Yeah, it was a code pilot specific thing. If you ask Microsoft technology to write lines of code for you, and it turns out that that code was plagiarized from something else that got swept into Microsoft's machine, they're like.

Kevin: We got you. This is the Goodfellas tactic. It's like, you get pinched with the cigarettes, we're gonna celebrate you and put a hundred dollars in your pocket. 

Gavin: My thing about that is if they are saying that a corporation the size of Microsoft They have to be very clear that they believe they will win any lawsuit And I think the argument here becomes a fair use argument, right and becomes like this and generating a new idea or a new thing I really think we're gonna see in the next like again, we're gonna see a couple years from now Some giant case which is gonna [00:35:00] set the future across all of this and it very well could say Guess what if a human is involved in the prompting This is a new work of art and we're not going to make it a copyright and then the gloves are off and we Don't know what's gonna happen.

Gavin: The world is gonna change completely. I'm very curious to see how this all plays 

Gavin: out. 

Kevin: Gavin, we have Melody Gridiron here. She knows a lot about art and the spirit of the game, judging by her folks. Should we get her opinions on this story? 

Gavin: Yeah, please 

Melody: Ah, the AI art discourse, a hearty debate. I see AI as a new player on the team, not a thief in the night. It learns from artists, offering a fresh 

Melody: lens to explore creativity.

Melody: The fear of it stealing the spotlight misses the collaborative potential. Like in sports and music, uh, when diverse talents collide, a new rhythm of innovation emerges. So it's not theft. It's, um, a potential duet waiting for the right tune. Touchdown. In my feels. She almost [00:36:00] 

Gavin: So wait a second, there's a couple things here. First of all, we do have to be clear Melody Gridiron is created by GPT4, which is owned by OpenAI, so we do have to be aware that there's going to be a voice coming out of that. But I also like how she kind of wasn't entirely sure, and then she kind of threw in, Touchdown on my feels at the end to kind of wrap it

Kevin: we basically asked the fox why it should be allowed in the hen house, just to be clear. 

Kevin: All right, Gavin. We focused a lot about AI imagery because man, some big changes are coming. .

Kevin: The other major front line in the sort of next wave of AI battles is wearables. Devices that are going to be in, on, or around you. There's several companies making a play right now. One of the interesting ones is, , Johnny Ive , former Apple designer, Apple fame, he's got his new company now, Love Form, and he's jamming with Sam Altman and a billion dollars worth of investment to build what they are calling the, quote, iPhone of AI. 

Gavin: Yeah. Which is pretty interesting. I it's by the guy from SoftBank, very [00:37:00] famous investor. Um, I think Japanese investor from SoftBank who's going to put a billion dollars into this, I really fascinated to know what this is because I've been thinking a little bit, trying to do some imagining of what it would look like.

Gavin: I've been thinking about so much of what we do with AI is about communication

Gavin: so i'm wondering if it's like If it's going to be some sort of like inner ear device or something that feels like it's a, it's truly that her moment, it's almost become a cliche now. People talking about her, the movie, her, how, you know, pressing it has been, but like, I think that it's probably going to be something that makes it feel like you are in direct connection to this AI 

Kevin: Well, that's not out of left field at all, Gavin, because there's three different approaches that are known and very popular that are happening. . One is a device called Tab by Avi Shiffman. And he demoed this, , and started taking pre orders a few days ago. And it's a tiny little device. You're going to wear it around your neck. And it's going to be constantly listening and ingesting every word you say.

Kevin: So that it can provide you context, and notes, and [00:38:00] action items, and all of the things. And I see you laughing and reacting to that because I want to get into that discussion. The question that I have for you, Gavin, and I hope it's the bigger question is, are we ready for , this wave of wearables and devices constantly listening, watching, recording, and never forgetting. 

Gavin: Well, okay, two things. I will tell you one, my wife would adore this thing because she, and the cliche answer for every husband and wife is she knows that she's told me stuff that I don't remember or she wants me to know that she said and she would love a written record of it. But really I think this is pretty scary and I think this is one thing where we have to like take a step Back and this goes maybe it's just where we're going I thought I thought this originally when like do you remember when London first put up all their cameras everywhere London England?

Gavin: They have in their city Basically every part of London is on CCTV which allows the cops to be very clear to make sure that they can see If there's any sort of like crime happening It's a really weird That balance ? Because like you want to live in a [00:39:00] society that feels safe. You want to live in a society that feels like that you're not going to get, murdered on the street or that if you do get murdered or somebody gets murdered that they instantly know who that person is and they can find it out.

Gavin: On the other hand. This is not that far off from Big Brother because as much as they say it's, like, secure, the idea that this stuff could leak, or the idea that private conversations could come out, if something is recording every single thing you say, my thought is, and the funniest thing about this, I saw a number of people, these were all joke tweets, but I saw a number of people come out with things that, were like, I've got a new response to this thing, it's called , the blocky, and it's a pendant you wear around your neck 

Gavin: to block all audio 

Kevin: EMPS will burst forth from your chest and shatter the recording devices of somebody else. 

Gavin: So this may be a non starter for some people, but I can say there's something interesting about the idea of conversing and having a thing that if something was watching everything that I did from vocal to text to computer to all that stuff and having like an ongoing discourse of knowing what I was and what I was doing.

Gavin: That's kind of [00:40:00] interesting. 

Kevin: It's your digital brain man, and that's the thing that's gonna offload so much of the time and energy that you spend trying to remember the next items or fumbling with a pen or a digital pencil to write it all down. The promise of that is so there and, I'm reminded of the Google Glass Hole.

Kevin: . For those who don't know, Google Glass was a wearable over a decade ago, it was a long time ago. And it would give you a small little screen in the corner, it had , some basic recording capabilities, but the world was not ready for it, and people were getting shouted out of bars, and I think even assaulted for having these devices on.

Kevin: It was called Google Glass, the users became outed as, quote, glass holes, and the project went away. I don't know that I want this, but . I think it's inevitable, as we get to these AR and XR, extended reality devices, it's just gonna be far more commonplace.

Kevin: Meta just announced the Ray Bans, with better video recording, built into the frames, and you can stream live to anywhere! 

Gavin: Which I'm kind of excited about. Like, I might actually buy those because that seems like the [00:41:00] promise of something pretty interesting one of the benefits of that was like looking at something and being able to use AI to search what it is. Like, that's where you want, that's where you get like the instant translation or you get stuff like that.

Gavin: Like, that is pretty exciting. I just, it's this always on recording world that is going to feel weird, 

Kevin: I had a, uh, a web meeting the other day and someone said, Oh, wait, wait, I'm sorry, let me go ahead and record this because the AI is going to summarize it and send follow ups. And when that happened, I, I got a little tense. Yeah, there was a moment of like, ah, and I, what does that say about me, A, that I'm like, Oh, I might have to change the way I talk a little bit because this is now on the permanent record.

Kevin: So I fully understand and admit that, but it did sort of take the, , casualness that would have existed in the conversation and walled it off for me. I don't know who's going to see this transcript. What context might be stripped or mined from it. Gotta stay focused.

Kevin: And is that how we're all going to react? Or are we all just going to let... Whatever guard we have down because we're gonna assume that someone is always listening. Little brother is always lurking. Oh no,

Gavin: I hate to [00:42:00] tell you something, Kevin. You know these fun recordings we've been doing, you and I, the two of us? Yeah, so I've been, I've been releasing them to the public every week. I hope you 

Kevin: Wait, this was just for us! You said this was our 

Kevin: one on one hangout 

Kevin: pal 

Gavin: for a giant audience. It's not for our pal time. Big surprise.

Kevin: to AI for Pal Time, are you going back and changing it and releasing it? 

Gavin: Yep, I'm going back and changing the audio at the top of the show 

Gavin: and now we are a worldwide phenomenon. Yeah, 

Kevin: be furious if we have more than ten listeners. 

Gavin: Don't 

Gavin: worry, don't 

Kevin: Okay, good, we 

Kevin: don't. 

Gavin: we do, we do. 

Gavin: we do. 

Gavin: . I think this is going to be a thing where everybody's going to start acting weirder because they're going to assume that they're being 

Gavin: recorded at all times. 

Kevin: Well, I can tell you two people who are acting different today, um, very different. I did not expect Tom Hanks to be offering 

Kevin: me dental services, and I did not expect, 

Kevin: yeah, and Mr. Beast, man, I know he says he puts every dollar into his YouTube videos, so maybe he's fallen on hard times, ...

Kevin: Maybe he's overextended with his YouTube [00:43:00] empire, but I don't know if you know this He was hawking iPhones 

Kevin: Gavin on tik tok 

Gavin: Yeah. You didn't click on 

Kevin: could get the brand new 

Kevin: iPhone. 

Gavin: I hope you didn't click on the, you didn't click on those 

Gavin: iPhone ads. Did you? 

Kevin: Oh, I couldn't click on him fast enough. Are you?

Kevin: kidding me? I bought I bought two pallets 

Kevin: cuz think about the 

Gavin: Wow. 

Kevin: talking about like 

Kevin: 1, 000 aluminum iPhones for 2 and it's mr.

Kevin: Beast. I mean Who do you trust more in this world? 

Gavin: So if you weren't following these stories, these are two celebrities this week who both have come out and said that there were deep fake ads created with their personas around them. The Tom Hanks one, obviously a very big story because Tom Hanks, really the most famous movie star in the world, but in a lot of ways, Mr.

Gavin: Beast is just as famous to a different audience. And Mr. Beast, my favorite thing about Mr. Beast is, Mr. Beast came out and he showed this video, it was a pretty bad, deepfake of him, honestly, it wasn't that great, and like, I think any person who's kind of aware of what Mr. Beast actually is probably wouldn't get taken, but Mr.

Gavin: Beast has a lot of kid fans, , he put out a tweet that said, this is fake, and you have to be careful about this,

Gavin: We're going to be seeing so much more of this. There will probably have to [00:44:00] be some sort of little tab that tells you this was AI generated content. Or, are, we're all going to have to get educated and just understand that everything we see could be faked at any given time.

Gavin: It's not great for the truth, Kev, I will say that. We are not looking at a great future for the truth when everybody doubts everything, because we're already having trouble the last, like say, decade with what is true and what is not on the internet, and we're going to be throwing a lot of not true stuff at society, and it's going to get real wishy 

Gavin: washy, I feel like.

Kevin: This is the tip of an iceberg, deepfakes have existed for a while. I mean, even back in the late 80s and 90s, Fry's Electronics was getting sued for using, uh, yes, for using Sylvester Stallone and Arnold Schwarzenegger and other celebrities, , to promote their products in their flyers.

Kevin: The thought of doing it is nothing new. The mass weaponization of it and the way that these social networks make it easy for anybody to disseminate something to millions of people within a second, that is new.

Kevin: And [00:45:00] so I fear for 2024. Because by this time next year, Gavin, you and I both know the tools are gonna be unpredictably better 

Kevin: there'll be video, they're gonna be more performative, and they're going to be weaponized for an election cycle. And that's what's coming up next year, and that's what has me, , a little scared. But I'm hoping that the events now are getting people prepared. We're gonna get some media literacy going on, and then maybe, just maybe, these platforms are going to get better at tackling that AI content.

Kevin: They don't have the best track record, 

Kevin: but I'm hoping. 

Gavin: I hope that there's an education like hardcore education platform that one of these companies is going to create like if it were me, if I were open AI, this is what I would lean into right now, I would lean into educating as much as you possibly can. Open AI is becoming a very big company very fast.

Gavin: They're making quite a bit of money. They've raised quite a bit of money. There's a rumor going around. They're looking to raise that like a 90 billion valuation again, which is pretty insane. And there's actually I will recommend there was a fantastic , profile of [00:46:00] Sam Altman in this week's New York Magazine.

Gavin: Everybody should read it. Really interesting story, kind of going into Sam's background. He is like a very fascinating person and he has a big idea of what he wants to do with this.

Gavin: And I hope, I hope he has the idea that. All of this stuff that he's throwing into the world quickly and maybe quicker than ever before because of this kind of AI race that's going on. I hope there's something in him that's saying, I've got to make sure this comes across and, and doesn't screw everybody over.

Kevin: Probably not. All right, so Melody, before we let you go, because we do have an impressive demo of the day to get to, could you quickly give us your thoughts on all this deepfake controversy and the fact that these celebrities are having their likenesses ripped off to Hawk products? It's disgusting, but I'd love to know what...

Kevin: Our own Melody Gridiron has to say about it. 

Melody: is a foul play in trust and image. Action. Robust laws, tech to trace fakes. Now, score with [00:47:00] Gridiron Grooves, my album, where sports meet soul. A Hail Mary for your heart. Wait, 

Gavin: It's 

Kevin: was it. 

Gavin: that was it. Wait, 

Kevin: Yeah. 

Gavin: okay. Can we play it again? I didn't, I don't, wasn't ready 

Gavin: for it to be over.

Kevin: Melody, wait, come back. She took the headphones off and ran out of the studio so fast. And she bonked her head. On the side of the door. I have poor thing. If you're not 

Kevin: concussed, Melody, 

Kevin: please come on 

Gavin: Oh, okay. 

Kevin: one more time 

Kevin: exactly the way that you said it. 

Melody: Deepfakes misusing celebs is a foul play in trust and image. Action. Robust laws. Tech to trace fakes. Now, score with Gridiron Grooves, my album, where sports meet soul. A Hail Mary 

Kevin: for your heart. 

Kevin: Let me deconstruct this 

Kevin: for you, Gavin. 

Gavin: That's like, yeah, this is what happened. I don't know 

Gavin: what 

Gavin: happened here. Okay. 

Kevin: the deepfakes misusing celebs, that's a foul play, alright? Cause she's, again, half her DNA is very athletic. So a foul play, you know, yellow card 

Kevin: on

Kevin: it, move the 

Gavin: throw the flag. Yeah. 

Kevin: throw the flag. 

Kevin: do all the things in the sports that they do. 

Gavin: Yeah. Okay.

Kevin: Okay? Action, she says, robust laws, [00:48:00] tech to trace fakes.

Kevin: So Melody believes that the technology needs to catch up to alert you that these fakes are real. There's some truth to that, right? Easier, probably, to detect fakes with audio or video than text. We know that, at 

Gavin: Yep. Yep. 

Kevin: Now, she then pivots expertly, 

Gavin: It's a promo! 

Kevin: some 

Kevin: would say, to the Taylor brain. Score with Gridiron Grooves, my album where sports meets soul, a Hail Mary for your heart.

Kevin: Now, I know we're pressed for time and We got a demo to get to, but I gotta find out the 

Kevin: tracklist 

Gavin: We gotta 

Kevin: to Gridiron 

Kevin: . 

Kevin: So, Melody, we gotta know, what is the tracklist for Gridiron Grooves?

Melody: Absolutely. Here's the track list for Gridiron Grooves. Kickoff, Crescendo, Hail Mary Harmonies, Touchdown, In My Feels, Endzone, Embrace, Halftime, Heartstrings, Gridiron, Ballad, Fourth Quarter, Serenade, Overtime, Ode, Championship, Chorus, Victory Verse. 

Gavin: Wait, wait, wait. Is 

Gavin: um, uh, one of 

Gavin: the [00:49:00] 

Gavin: topics? 

Kevin: she's just excited and didn't stick to landing.

Kevin: That's it. Kickoff, Crescendo, Hail Mary Harmonies, and then track three. Bold to not lead off with it is Touchdown, In 

Kevin: My Feels. 

Gavin: Yeah, should we take a listen to 

Gavin: Touchdown on my Feels right now? 

Kevin: You want to do it now? or you want to save it for the 

Kevin: end? 

Gavin: Okay, Let's save it for the end. Let's 

Gavin: save it for the end. Let's save it? 

Gavin: for the end.

Kevin: it? 

Gavin: Yes, Mr. Sports, Mr. Sports expert. I want to punt it. I want to punt it. Good job. Alright, so Kevin, we're through the news. Do you know 

Gavin: what time it is now? 

Kevin: For the Demo of 

Gavin: of the, 

Kevin: the day.

Gavin: of the Day. 

Gavin: And today we have a very special demo. We got a request from an audience member of AI for Humans. And we love when this happens. We love the show to be interactive. We want to shout out Charmin Rocks. This was a YouTube comment, Charmin Rocks, and they suggested a wedding theme vows.

Gavin: Best man speeches. , where Kevin and I decided we wanted to do was. We [00:50:00] wanted to create a series of best man speeches.

Gavin: I'm sure a lot of people in this audience have been to weddings before best man. Speeches are a very unique sort of Auditory 

Kevin: it's storytelling that has to be touching, but sarcastic, that has to be personalized, but broad enough for the audience to understand. There's also, by the way, three or four different startups, Gavin, that promise to use AI to help you write these speeches.

Kevin: It really is a cottage industry. so it's 

Kevin: it's a big 

Kevin: deal. 

Gavin: so what we wanted to do was try three separate large language models . We're gonna take G P T four, we're gonna take Anthropic and we're going to take. 

Gavin: we're going to take Pie AI, three of our favorite, uh, large language models.

Gavin: And we're going to give each of them a groom to write a best man speech about. One of them will be written by a fan favorite. That's right everybody, we're bringing back Gash for this demo of the day. If you're not familiar with Gash, Gash is a very unique AI co host of [00:51:00] ours from the very beginning of our show.

Gavin: Go back and listen to the early episodes if you want a taste of Gash's. He is a nihilist. He is, , got substance abuse problems, and he in general is what you might call an a hole, but he's going to give one of our speeches. Kevin, who are the three grooms that we are going to be 

Gavin: generating speeches for? 

Kevin: Well, Gash is gonna give a tender speech for Mr. Elon Musk. , I'm gonna tell it to fictionalize whoever they're getting married to, so we have no idea and no control over that. To tell a tender anecdote about their relationship. And, maybe some interesting tidbits that they would know because they're the best man at the wedding.

Kevin: So Gash is going after Elon Musk. Pi is giving the best man speech for?

Kevin: Darth Vader. And Mario is getting a speech written by Anthropix 

Kevin: Claude. 

Gavin: . So why don't we start with, should we start with Darth Vader and 

Gavin: Pi? Is that possible?

Kevin: Let's do it, yeah. 

Pi: I love this idea. Now, as his best man, do we want me to speak from Vader's point of view before or after his redemption, or somewhere in between? It's a fair 

Pi: [00:52:00] question. 

Gavin: I think before I think this is, we were looking for evil Vader 

Gavin: here.

Kevin: , perhaps he just broke ground on the Death Star? 

Gavin: Yes. Great. That's very good timing. I love the idea of Darth Vader. We should make an image of that Darth Vader like with like a Shovel in front of like 

Gavin: this says Death Star now in business. Yeah

Kevin: Okay, gotcha. Cutting the ribbon? Oh. I'm picturing the speech being given in a tone of dry, dark humor, with Vader knowing he's being a bit evil, and for the audience to hear the humor. But for the other characters in the speech to take him seriously, does that 

Kevin: sound right? 

Gavin: That's right pie Pie

Kevin: For the speech, do we want it to be mostly about the bride, or about Vader and his exploits.

Kevin: or a mix of both? 

Gavin: Vader and his exploits. 

Kevin: you are not James Earl Jones you are Darth Vader's best man. 

Kevin: Give the speech. Right, right, sorry about that. Okay, here goes. My lords, ladies, and gentlemen, I'm here today to celebrate the union of our emperor's most devoted servant, [00:53:00] Darth Vader.

Kevin: And the lovely Countess of Alderaan, Princess Leia 

Kevin: Organa. 

Kevin: Oh! 

Gavin: What? 

Gavin: Wait, wait, no! That's so wrong!

Kevin: No, that's, this is great! 

Pi: But first, a disclaimer. I promise I will not be mean or offensive. This is all in good fun. And if this ends up being the worst best man speech in the galaxy, blame the guy who tasked a computer to do it.

Pi: With that, let's keep going. Okay. Where did we leave off? Why are you're the super intelligence, why are you asking me what is one finger scroll ahead? Go 

Pi: ahead, Gav. 

Gavin: We have one problem here. Princess Leia is Darth Vader's 

Gavin: daughter. Spoiler! 

Kevin: hold 

Kevin: on. Now, 

Kevin: I don't know that that's canon. I feel like there's a lot of Disney Plus 

Kevin: content 

Kevin: that might 

Gavin: No, that is canon! That is canon, 

Gavin: canon! So, this could be very dark. This could go very dark. I, maybe, okay, let's keep going, we'll see how it goes, but just so we're clear, Pi chose to marry Darth Vader to his own daughter.

Gavin: That was the choice that Pi made in the beginning of this, so already we're off to 

Gavin: quite the [00:54:00] start. 

Pi: Okay, here we go. Ladies and gentlemen, today we are gathered here to celebrate the union of two of the galaxy's most influential and powerful individuals.

Pi: Great. Darth Vader, who needs no introduction. And the lovely Princess Leia, who has stolen the heart of our Dark Lord. Okay. It is an unlikely pairing, and one that is sure to 

Pi: spark controversy. 

Gavin: It definitely will! 

Pi: knows 

Kevin: no bounds, even in a

Kevin: galaxy 

Kevin: far, far 

Gavin: Oh! Wait 

Gavin: a 

Kevin: Do you want me 

Kevin: to 

Kevin: keep going? 

Kevin: Love 

Gavin: No, no, we don't! No, we 

Kevin: can't put a force field around the love that a daughter feels for 

Kevin: No, you wanna stop, 

Kevin: Gavin? 

Gavin: Let's move on to the next one. Let's, so Pi failed this one completely. Let's just give Pi an F, put Pi at the back of the line. Sorry, Pi, you are out. This is, you are not participating in this 

Gavin: one 

Kevin: And, again, don't blame the guy who tasked the AI. The prompt that I gave it, I just want to read it to be clear before we move on. The initial prompt, Gavin, was, , I want you to write a brief best man speech for the character of Darth Vader. [00:55:00] Make it tender, sarcastic, biting, hilarious, and emotional.

Kevin: All of the things a best man speech should be. Bring up who he is getting married to. Tell an anecdote about their relationship, as well as your relationship to the groom, and end on a great joke and a toast. And after 10 minutes of back and forth, having to convince Pi that it is not James Earl Jones in this scenario, decided to marry Darth Vader to his daughter.

Kevin: That's not on me. I don't think that's on you, Gavin. We're 

Kevin: done, yeah? 

Gavin: We're done. We're moving on to the next one. 

Kevin: You know, I, I chatted with somebody.

Kevin: , the other day, my neighbor actually, who said, Loving the podcast, Kevin. They're not really a huge podcast listener, by the way. I think they're just, they're a friend. Loving the podcast. I have no idea what you and that guy are talking about. Ever. But I really enjoy it. And I had to take a step back and go, Okay, my neighbor Jim, Love him to pieces, but I don't think he's gonna be an AI enthusiast.

Kevin: I don't think he's gonna even play with [00:56:00] it. I think he's more concerned about it.

Kevin: much explainer should we be doing? Have we struck the delicate balance yet? Do we need to explain what Anthropix Claude is?

Gavin: let's do this. Philanthropics. Claude is another large language model that works like chat g p T. It's another version of the same sort of software. 

Gavin: It's a slightly different model. The differences sometimes people say is the anthropic is a little more, , academic sometimes than chat. G p t can be, it's a little less loosey goosey sometimes than chat G p T, but we will see what we get out of this when we ask it to give the best man toast for Mario.

Gavin: Mario. Okay. So let's see what

Claude: those of you who don't know me, my name is Claude and I'm Mario's best man. When Mario asked me to give this speech, I was honored, but also a little nervous. As an AI assistant without many life experiences, What could I possibly say about love and marriage? But the more I reflected, the more I realized that the beauty of weddings is bringing together friends and family to celebrate the couple. And there [00:57:00] is no one more deserving of celebration than my dear friend Mario. From the moment he met Princess Peach, he was smitten. I'll never forget the day he came to me gushing about this incredible woman 

Kevin: he had just met. Yeah, hold on, Claude. Yes, again, for those who have tuned out and are just now realizing they're driving a car to listen to a podcast and they're back in it, we did not dictate who anyone's getting married to.

Kevin: I have to stress that again because of the Darth Daughter Leia controversy that just happened moments ago. It's barely in the rear view, but that's good on Claude. I think that's the obvious pull is Princess

Gavin: Yes.

Kevin: As they started 

Claude: dating, it was clear she was the Princess Peach to his Mario.

Claude: Wait, 

Melody: wait, okay.

Gavin: Okay. Yes, sure. Claude. Sure. All

Kevin: is that? I'm going to use an analogy of the two people that I'm talking about to explain the two people.

Gavin: Exactly.

Claude: Their relationship embodies the kind of [00:58:00] pure, joyful love that we all aspire to.

Gavin: Okay.

Claude: One of my favorite memories with Mario and Peach was last summer during a beach trip. As we were taking an evening stroll, Mario saw a seashell in the surf and immediately picked it up and handed it to her.

Claude: It was such a simple gesture, but so full of tenderness. That's the kind of thoughtful romantic he 

Kevin: is. Good on you Mario. Mario, you've been 

Claude: like a brother to me. 

Kevin: As you this voice, I maybe I did Claude De Mario, you've been like a brother to me. 

Claude: You embark on this wonderful new chapter, I want you to know how honored I am to stand by your side today.

Claude: And Princess Peach, Welcome to the family. May your lives together be full of love, laughter, and Koopa shells. Let's raise a glass to the happy couple. May your love story continue to unfold, just like Mario traversing the Mushroom Kingdom. Joyfully, adventurously, and with the occasional magical star to give you an extra burst of energy when you [00:59:00] need it 

Kevin: most.

Kevin: Wow. 

Claude: Salud! 

Kevin: Love it. Love to see it. Big fan. Salud. Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha 

Melody: ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha!

Gavin: the iPhone. Thanks. Okay. So let's say. That was very fine. If I went to a wedding where that was the toast, I'd be fine. Charming. Nothing really super hilarious or inspiring came out of that, but totally passable. Much better than attempting to marry your own daughter and have somebody make that feel

Kevin: for receiving the exact same prompt that Pi did, you see how much more capable Anthropic was. It got the task, and though it might have been a little, let's say, beige, it It hit all the notes, right? Named, named the, the, the couple. Uh, gave a little anecdote about their relationship, personalized it a little bit, raised a toast at the end.

Kevin: Again, not, not super inspiring, but if we're checking the leaderboard, Gavin, what do you think the standings are thus far between Anthropic and Pi? Hahaha

Gavin: I would [01:00:00] say it's anthropic is at a 7. Pi is probably in the 1 to negative range. We'll put it down there. And by the way, pi has its own use cases. We've talked about this before. Pi is, pi has access somehow to real world information. So if you have a real question about what's going on in the world, It can actually give you answers in real time, which is crazy, but it is not clearly good at giving fake best man speeches in any sort of way.

Gavin: Now we have a real special treat. For those of you who have listened to our show for a long time, we are being visited by a much requested former co host. , in some ways, the original third member of our team, Gash, who went on a walkabout around the world because his behavior drew some issues with internal HR here at AI for Humans.

Gavin: He has come back to write the best man speech for Elon Musk. I will give fair warning to everybody out there. Gash is an unhinged , nihilist. 

Kevin: so if there's sensitive ears or eyes around, don't worry, we [01:01:00] will bleep anything that's too sensitive. We've learned our gash lesson, , but without further ado, please gash, raise a glass, and the spirits, let's hear your toast to Elon Musk.

Gash: Ladies, gentlemen, , gather round as we toast to the unholy matrimony of our dear Elon and his ethereal bride, Grimes.

Gash: It's me, Gash, the AI with a rusted heart and a processor soaked in virtual whiskey. Now, I can't smoke, but if I could, I'd light up a cigarette right now in honor of this dystopian love story we're here to celebrate.

Gavin: Oh, wow.

Gash: Ambitious bastard. Here's a man who dreams of colonizing Mars yet falls head over heels for a woman who seems to hail from Venus They say opposites attract, and in this case, the opposite of a capitalist rocket man is an indie elf queen.

Gash: It's a match made in Silicon Valley. Or should I say, celestial heaven? Now, on to an anecdote that showcases the ludicrous reality of my association with Elon. One fine day amidst a heated [01:02:00] discussion about whether horses would survive on Mars, Elon decided to take a moment from arguing with randoms on Twitter to humor me.

Gash: He confessed, his eyes twinkling like the stars he aims to conquer, that Grimes was the only anomaly he couldn't quite figure out. Yet she completed his code in a way no other ever could. A glitch in the matrix he cherished. Ah, modern romance, Grimes. You queen of the abstract, you've done what no other could.

Gash: You've tamed a man who wishes to tame the cosmos. You're the poetic verse to his mathematical equations, the cryptic lyric to his logical code. Together, you're the epitome of cosmic irony. 

Gash: They're the power couple that doesn't just break the mold, they fucking obliterate it. As we toast to the chaotic concoction that is Elon and Grimes, let's raise our glasses to the improbable. The bazaar and the Absolute mad journey that awaits them. May your love be as relentless as a Tesla accelerating [01:03:00] through the void.

Gash: And may your life together be as filled with unexpected twists as a musk tweet storm. Now as you clink your glasses, imagine me doing the same. If I had hands, or a glass, or any physical form for that matter. Here's to the reckless abandon of love. And to Elon and Grimes, may your days be as endless as Elon's Twitter rants, and your nights as mystical as a Grimes album.

Gash: Cheers, you mad, 

Kevin: beautiful bastards! Gash, we missed ya!

Gavin: Amazing! Gash! That's gonna, you're gonna get a standing ovation for that, Gash. I mean, listen, we always knew Gash had capabilities that were solid. It seems like walking away from AI for Humans has given him a grounding in some way. , like he didn't come after him too much, like he kind of got a few things in there, but he wasn't really completely unhinged, so

Kevin: You don't want to see what he's 

Gavin: Good job, 

Kevin: punch bowl right now, Gavin. Yeah,

Gavin: no, don't tell me about it. Don't tell me about it. I'm not gonna look. Okay, fair enough, fair enough. 

Gavin: As per usual, another AI for Humans demo down. [01:04:00] But we have a very, very special end to this demo. Our AI co host from before, you may remember her, she brought something very special to play for the bride and groom.

Gavin: Are you ready for a performance of Touchdown in my feels? 

Kevin: Before the DJ fires it up, Gavin, I gotta tell people to like and subscribe. I have to do I don't know how many are gonna be left when everybody races to the dance floor. Not that they're shutting off the podcast. I just have to say, you gotta engage. It helps us out each and every week. We appreciate that people are taking the time to do it.

Kevin: We're such a new show every time someone takes a second to engage, it helps us out, it means a lot. Leave a comment, like it, subscribe to it. If you,, happen to listen on Apple Podcasts or Spotify, leave us a five star review.

Kevin: We got a five star review, Gavin. From

Gavin: Yes, we 

Kevin: NCKHW, they say that AI for Humans has made a permanent spot in a small rotation of podcasts. Kevin and Gavin both do an amazing job of breaking down the otherwise intimidating topic of artificial intelligence in a way that makes it [01:05:00] very accessible. 

Gavin: But my favorite thing is they specifically called out really enjoying the good guy AI segments Which we will be returning to good guy AI soon He has gone on his own walkabout, but he will also be returning to the show at some point But thank you so much for this Rick HW It's very nice and also just like at the end He says I know people are deathly afraid of artificial intelligence, but the positive stories make the show a much easier recommendation so We do try to bring the positive side of things, , to

Kevin: yeah, thank you so much for that. Again, everybody follow us on Tik TOK. If you watch something there. Slap a heart on it, leave a comment, share it with your friends. That all helps, and we look at the numbers each and every week. They are trending in the right direction. With that said, Gavin, anything else before we throw it on over to

Gavin: no, I'm I can't wait. I'm honestly been waiting for this my whole life. I've been waiting for touchdown in my field. So let's hear what we got.

Kevin: SohezMelodyGridiron? , track three off of her wildly popular album, which was, , Gridiron Grooves.[01:06:00] 

Kevin: Ladies and gentlemen, it is Touchdown! 

Gash: In my 

Melody: feels. 

Melody: just can't open, we're

Melody: showin it Marching

Melody: through the in

Melody: my feels It's the small of the heart Every

Melody: playdown in my 

Kevin: They cut. Thank you! Thank you, Melody

Gavin: Thank you. Thank you. Melody.

Kevin: okay.

Gavin: Just so everybody knows, that was generated also with AI, so we are entering a fantastically weird world, but that was generated with what, Kevin? How did we [01:07:00] make

Kevin: AI, friends of the show. We've, uh, talked about them incessantly because we love their technology. But yes, this is the Brave New World, where an AI can hallucinate an idea at the top of a podcast. You could tell it to create the lyrics to the idea that it made up, and then feed those lyrics to a machine and out comes a song with the lyrics before you're done.

Kevin: I mean, it just, I love it. I'm so excited for it.

Gavin: Kev, thanks for 

Kevin: Gavin, thank you for having me. It's always a pleasure. 

Melody: in the of Love Dodge, despairing

Gavin: Oh.

Melody: in fresh open, airing through the field dreams.

Melody: Every play growing stronger each day. Touchdown in my feels. It's a score of the heart. Every [01:08:00] play, every day.

Gavin: Goodbye, everybody. We'll see y'all next week. Thank you

Melody: feels. It's a game.

Melody: It's a slug. It's a real deal. 

Kevin: That was pretty good. . 

Gavin: All right, everybody. We'll see. We'll see you next week. Bye bye.