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Kevin: you won't believe what my book club's reading this month.

Kevin: A romance novel. Oh, where the couple falls in love over a shared passion for sustainable fish farming. No. Makes you think, right? No, it doesn't. Sustainable farming love books. If only there was a way to fish for opportunities in life and reel in some big ones, but hey, that's just a novel idea, 

Gavin: eh? 

Kevin: Yeah.

Kevin: Guess it. Sustain 

Gavin: sustainable fish farming romance makes your doesn't 

Kevin: do that isn't AI idea. 

Kevin: I'm changing it up. Welcome everybody. Hey everybody. Welcome to AI for Humans. Episode 1, 6 

Gavin: that's right. It's our Sweet 16 episode.

Gavin: And today we've got a very fun show for you. Kevin, what do we have on today's show? 

Kevin: It's our super sweet 16 and Gavin got me a Lexus, but I wanted a B M W, so I'm having a meltdown.

Gavin: You've think that's funny, but I've seen enough 16 year olds. It 

Kevin: is not funny. It's not funny. Look for them. That's what is it? Affluenza. Those problems are as real as could be, but [00:01:00] we got, we got 99 problems, but, uh, making ai music ain't one. See, the way I took our natural conversation and completely tripped over it.

Kevin: Folks, if you are listening to our voices right now, I cannot stress this enough. You can make incredible music. You don't have to know how to play an instrument. You don't even have to know what music is. You could be a literal alien discovering sound for the first time, and we've got a new AI tool that you could just use a single word or a sentence and it will make you a fire banger.

Kevin: Billboard top 10 track, almost guaranteed. 

Gavin: It is pretty awesome. And you won't believe what's happening when Minecraft. Steve One is a new AI agent tool that allows you to play Minecraft automagically. 

Kevin: I love it. 

Kevin: We are covering this week's massive news stories and our latest AI co-host. Yes, we have prompted a new one, is gonna give us a machine learned hot take. We've got AI [00:02:00] reacting to the top news stories 

Gavin: and we are finally going back, Kevin. That's right. 

Gavin: It's a new AI debate with reigning champ G P T four going up against, who is 

Kevin: it? Oh, it's Meta's capable new incumbent who has been training hard 14 pack abs working the speed bag. It's Say it with me Gavin. Let's try it with the latency.

Gavin: The big fight is us versus latency. So we are so excited to be here, y'all. This is gonna be another fun show. We can't wait. Kevin's stuck in his goddamn RV again with the internet of a of the stone ages. So 

Kevin: that's where 

Gavin: we've gotten to. We've reached, we've reached this level where, uh, we are done with being patient about the latency, but it is fine.

Gavin: It's fine. Everything's fine. Kevin. Everything's fine. 

Kevin: Hey, Gavin is gonna be a great show. This debate is [00:03:00] so exciting. It's a juicy loosy, but the topic of the debate is so good.

Kevin: I can't even tease it right now. Yeah. So people have to stick around. We just gotta start the show. Let's get into it, shall we? 

Gavin: Yeah, let's get into it. So the first thing we're gonna do today is we're gonna meet a new co-host. So if you remember last week, if you're here last week, We tried a new co-host.

Gavin: Her name was Grace I, she didn't really hit the proper voice for us. She was a little bit too sweet. And then often in back of her mind, it seems like she was ready to put us out to pasture. So we've conjured a new co-host and Kevin, , should we meet our new co-host now? , 

Kevin: let's have our co-host introduce themselves and we'll find out everything about them. Gav 

Cassidy AI: Hi there, Kevin Gavin, and all you find folks tuning into AI for humans.

Cassidy AI: I'm Cassidy from the postcard, perfect town of Buena Vista, Colorado. Fun fact, I'm the reigning champ of cherry pit spitting contests back home, small town talents, right? Sure. But hey, speaking of cherries, did I ever tell you about my latest, find the world's best cherry infused wrinkle serum. [00:04:00] Okay. It's like turning back time only smoother.

Cassidy AI: And speaking of time, imagine if we could invest in it like my friends and I do with these eco-friendly llama farms in 

Kevin: Peru. Okay. No 

Gavin: kidding. Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. These, wait. Hold on, CAS, 

Cassidy AI: hold on, hold on, hold on. Funny how things connect, isn't it? I mean, cherries, thyme, llamas, ai, uh, it's 

Kevin: a wild world.

Kevin: Okay, Cassidy? Yeah. Llama, oddly enough, is one of the AI models we're playing with today. But I don't think Cassidy was getting at that. Um, interesting intro, Gavin. 

Gavin: Yeah, it sounded like she's trying to kind of sell us on something. Should we ask her what's going on there? 

Kevin: Not to like point out Oz behind the curtain.

Kevin: I asked G p t four to like throw, throw in like a fun little anecdote about yourself from the small town or whatever. It picked a small town in Colorado and cherry pit spitting champ. Ah, what a wonderful, the 

Gavin: little detail, by the way, been one of those. And they are super fun. 

Kevin: So Cassidy. Gavin thinks you might be trying [00:05:00] to sell us on something.

Kevin: .

Kevin: Oh, Gavin, 

Cassidy AI: dear. I'm not trying to sell anything. I'm just sharing things that I find super interesting, like, oh, okay. Did you know that Llama wool is one of the most sustainable textiles out there? Okay, so cool. And speaking of sustainability, have you heard about this new app that lets you offset your carbon footprint by investing in marshlands restoration?

Cassidy AI: Talk about green tech. I mean, imagine that marshlands meeting, machine learning. Okay, it's like nature's own ai, right? How amazing is this world we live in? 

Kevin: So for a mere millisecond there, Gavin, I thought you were right, but it seems like Cassidy was just making us aware of some cool new tech. And this is a tech podcast, so maybe Cassidy's gonna fit in just fine around these parts.

Gavin: Yeah. Let's see. I mean, you never know, right? Every AI is a different adventure and Cassidy sounds like we're already down that pathway. We should get into the dumb thing we did with AI this week. 

Gavin: Kevin, I will start and my dumb thing I did with AI is directly related to a thing called, , gen [00:06:00] two video from one from runway ml.

Gavin: We've talked about. Runway ML before. This is a really interesting AI company that really ostensibly is an editing suite. You've seen their Gen One video, which allows video to video manipulation, meaning you can shoot a video of yourself and you can see a video in different AI generated video. They then released Gen two, which we know is text to video, which means you put in a text prompt and you get a video out, and we've covered that on the show.

Gavin: They quietly released something last week, which is super interesting called Image to Video, and they haven't been like super big about this, but it's blown up on socials. It's blown up everywhere because it's really fascinating. 

Kevin: What really blew up was , the discovery that usually you feed it a still image and it's going to try to distill the essence of that vision, right. Color palette, art style, whatever. And then you give it a prompt and it tries to generate a new video using that image as guidance and what people found and what was trending all over X Twitter, we'll stick with Twitter for now, I guess.

Kevin: Whatever you [00:07:00] wanna call it now. Yeah, exactly. But what was trending all over sha, I think in Portuguese, , is that if you feed it a still image and then do not give it any prompt, don't give the machine any guidance, it will take that still and try to interpret motion and movement and lip flap if it's a human face and the results are bizarre and beautiful, it's right in that Ty Venn Diagram Center.

Gavin: Absolutely. And, and there's amazing stuff that people have been doing with it. We did something dumb over the weekend that we're not gonna talk about here, but you can see in our TikTok channel where you could take film stills, you could take an a, a still of a film and then let it animate it. My favorite one we did was like, we took the still of Harry, met Sally from Sally's face when she's at the lunch scene and suddenly there's another person who shows up in her space and , , she looks around and she looks back like it does the weirdest things, but, okay, so here's the dump thing I did this week.

Gavin: Last week, if you missed it. We had, , bark Twain famous dog food influencer on the show and in the generation of trying to create visuals. [00:08:00] In the generation of trying to create visuals for Park Twain, I used the , photorealistic prompt, which you've also talked about here before, to create a really good mid journey prompt to create something.

Gavin: And I created a pretty cute image of a dog, literal dog influencer. This was a dog that was wearing a cute little jacket, we'll put the picture up here wearing a cute little jacket and was in a room full of dog treats. And clearly he was getting ready for his YouTube show. So 

Gavin: This is the dump thing I did. I combined these two things, which was the dog influencer photo, which animal influencers and Gen-2 image to video. And I brought them together into one insanely dumb thing. And essentially I animated a bunch of photos of animal influencers.

Gavin: So first, 

Kevin: Kevin, Oh My God, yes. I just, okay, so bring up videos. I'm seeing these, some videos. These, I, I'm seeing these for the first time. everyone Beauty Cat1 is ready Yeah. To take over. TikTok Beauty. Cat1 is a beautiful Siamese a makeup influencer, I'm assuming.

Kevin: ' cause surrounded [00:09:00] by That's exactly right. All of the cosmetics, which, um, you know, unfortunately, I'm sure her bloodline was tested on at some point, but I digress. When I hit play, I see what looks to be, , a manager or handler in the back, in like a pink robe that comes out of. A curtain. It looks like it's a curtain in the scene, but then Gen2 goes, yeah, that's a person.

Kevin: And there's a hand and they're moving about and it's like she's about to go and and prep the beautiful cat influencer for her shot. 

Gavin: That's exactly right. So what's fascinating about this is each time if you give this to mid, mid Journey's image, it's taking it and kind of imagining what's happening next.

Gavin: So the other thing, if you go to the next step for this, I actually did the Zoom out with Mid Journey and just wanted to see what it would look like. So good. And it just kind of gives you an interesting illusion of movement, right? Which is a really fascinating thing. 

Kevin: So the wide shot of this Siamese cat surrounded by makeup in this , pink, lacy environment. When you say the illusion of movement, gen two is taking that still of the cat, making its head move around. And if you followed anything in the AI art scene, you know that, , coherence keeping, , [00:10:00] a model the same as it advances and moves has proven difficult time and time again.

Kevin: This looks like the same cat moving its head about in a scene. And that is, that is magical. Even at this phase in the game. 

Gavin: Okay, let's, let's move on to the next one. This is come, yeah, this is a, this is a sushi influencer, so this is a, this is a little cute dog. Kev, Kevin, describe what you're seeing in this one. 

Kevin: Oh, well, this, this is a sweet little yappy ankle biter who is soothed and calmed by the tray of delicious sushi and some sort of, orange-ish vegetable drink with sticks coming out of it.

Kevin: Maybe pki, I don't know, but , this sweet little doggo is just waiting for the audience to come in on its TikTok live stream. And he is got a little, like a little robe, a little kimono looking thing going on. Super adorable. 

Gavin: This was, I include this one mostly 'cause of cuteness. The next one though is fascinating because it essentially is an, there's an animation that happens that you could see in an actual animated movie, right? Like, 

Kevin: Even a couple [00:11:00] episodes mere 15 episodes ago, Gavin, about prompt to Hollywood quality movie. This is a Pixar level. Something. If this were a quick flash, , in a trailer about boss Cat from the makers of boss baby, perhaps.

Kevin: Yeah, exactly. This is a dreamwork up that's pick quality animations. Yeah. This is a Siamese cat wearing a tie, , it's got a desk. It's backlit by a nice orange glow from a window. It has a little latte, and bosca is slamming its paw on the table as it leans forward. And this little animation loop, it is not perfect, but the fact that it is this good is astonishing.

Gavin: It's amazing to me. Right. This was a prompt that I gave to Mid Journey, mid Journey, created the image, and I just took that image and slid it into Gen two. Win the ability to keep that character and take Boss Catt and put Boss Catt into a fight with this, with another boss or into anything else happens.

Gavin: Like you can see the steps happening now that this is gonna allow. Okay. Let's go to the next step, because I was thinking what is a trope that you often see [00:12:00] influencers do, and one of them is cliff walking or getting the shot that looks like they're , living on the edge. So what, what do you see?

Gavin: This is Gavin. This is the GoPro 

Kevin: shot before they fly the drone. This is adventure cat on a cliff side looking into the fish fisheye lens and its own eyes are very wide, but, , , a green valley behind it. There is lens flare happening in the scene. Yes. As the cat moves, gen two is smart enough to go like, yeah.

Kevin: Even though it's kind of cloudy, it's sourced the sun and it's adding artificial lens flare. I can't, I mean, I can't, 

Gavin: His arm is reached out and you could see the arm is holding the camera above him. So anyway, this is another thing. 

Gavin: We're almost wrapped up here, but this next one's a cute one. I just threw it in because like these are more tiny chef dogs and these ones are like I, I would watch a YouTube series with these guys, right? Like we could call it tiny chef dogs, and the tiny chef dogs like make things right. Oh, and, and they're animated a little bit.

Gavin: You can kind of see them moving around. They're not, this is not like a [00:13:00] huge animation one, but there are five 

Kevin: puppies underneath a ornate chandelier at a beautiful marble countertop with all sorts of um, charcuterie. I was trying to think of what a dog pun would that be. , a bar coterie and bar cutie.

Kevin: , they've got little teeny tiny chef hats on. They have little aprons and their little paws are like trying to serve the trays and they're just figuring it out. They're just making their way through this kitchen in life. And isn't that adorable? 

Gavin: Welcome to the world of Gen two video. 

Kevin: You can sign up for free. This is hashtag not an ad, but they give you like a hundred credits. Which, each generation is four seconds of time and, and you get a hundred seconds.

Kevin: Is that how it works? 

Gavin: That's how it works. And also . , don't get dissuaded by the fact that at least half of your videos that come out are not gonna be great. . You'll get some good stuff. You just gotta keep trying it.

Kevin: It is sort of an AI slot machine at the moment, whether it's silly or sincere, you'll find your own use case, but don't be afraid to go and try it out. 

Kevin: I was bringing video games to life. It is such a, a, a cool toy, but I would [00:14:00] argue Gavin. Not as fun as the dumb thing that I did with AI this week. 

Gavin: You are more obsessed with this thing than anything I've ever seen before. So let's get into this. This is Kevin. It's gonna be tough 

Kevin: with latency. Like, uh, do you see this finger?

Kevin: Do you see this wagging finger on the video? I see that finger. Yes, I see the finger. It's downturned. Oh, it's dropping towards the space bar.

Kevin: And whatever you do, don't ask yourself. Okay. All right. That was a lot. That was a lot. That was a lot. But it is the dumb thing that I did with ai. Okay. You want another one? How about this one? Don't ask yourself why.

Kevin: I mean, 

Gavin: what That was like late. That was limp. That was limp Bizkit. Limp AI biscuit. Limp [00:15:00] eye biscuit. I get whatcha Tell 

Kevin: the chocolate starfish. The hotdog flavored water. Yes. You better keep on rolling baby audio generation just took a major leap forward. Yes, that's what you heard. That's what that sound was. This is an app called Suno ai. , some people are calling it Suno Sing. They are calling it volume one v o l one. It is audio generation and it is a, a Pandora's box of insanity in the way that I absolutely love right now.

Kevin: It's completely free. And it's very easy to use. You go to the Suno Discord, you go into the Suno Sing Alpha Room, Gavin, you do Forward slash Sing. You hit enter and then it gives you two boxes. And in the top box you can feed it lyrics. And I found that it helps if you put um, verse in parentheses and whatever you want, and then chorus in parentheses or if you have no idea what you wanna write a song about, you can actually use G P T right there. And you can say, I want a theme song for AI for humans, or I want a cover of a smash [00:16:00] mouth song. Whatever it is you want, you press the button, it generates and it gives you two. Audio options, , and , it's completely random right now.

Kevin: I'm sure they're gonna add controls in the future, but right now it looks at the lyrics. It interprets what genre it should be, picks that style of music, and then it hallucinates everything, the music, the voice, the melody, the asides, everything. It even gives you an image and the lyrics to go along with it.

Kevin: So it's perfect for sharing. I cannot believe this tool has not exploded, Gavin. I'm using it way too much. 

Gavin: I am really shocked by what this is because it's the first time maybe since like, the stable diffusion times , in the , last fall when that first came out, where I was shocked by what it did because you hear the audio and you can hear it being like a little bit garbly, but this is like literally the phrasing parts, the parts that surprise me.

Gavin: Like the fact that you can phrase music and it knows where to hit the phrases, it sounds, right. Yes. When you talk about the other music models we've heard in the show, whether it's, , [00:17:00] Meta's music model or Google's one that we've done stuff with, do you remember only like six episodes ago we had that game where we were playing with Google's music lab , and it was just like the worst sounding carnival music and like, this sounds like, uh, two steps from a real song, which is insane to me.

Kevin: . It's kind of like you're in between FM stations, right? Like the reception's not quite there, it's a little off, but you, you can absolutely hear the signal to the noise in this in a way that is shocking. Mm-hmm. And Gavin, when we played with Bark, , a text to Anything noise generator 

Kevin: and I don't know if you remember, but I was trying to get it to do Gregorian chants and Barbershop Quartet, and it was clearly suppressing its ability to generate voice. And I there Oh, that's right. I about that. 

Gavin: It's there, remember we, yeah, we heard it say like hip hop lyrics, but we couldn't hear it.

Gavin: Right? Yes. That's interesting. Yes. I forgot 

Kevin: about that. Yeah. And , I think there were more capabilities than they were letting on. And as I listen to these tracks now, I feel like there's more capabilities than are being let on. I'm sure they [00:18:00] could up sample what you're hearing at the cost of probably more compute, more g p U time.

Kevin: Mm-hmm. I'm sure you could choose the genre yourself, and I'm sure you can generate longer tracks because as this thing gives you 32nd samples, you can hear it sometimes about to vault in to another portion of the song, but it just sort of stops. So there's a lot here. And if you hear the scratchy audio and you go like, oh, well, it's not quite there again, remember.

Kevin: Just a few months ago. We were nowhere near here. And if you look at what happened with image generation or movie generation or text generation, this thing is going to be wild 

Gavin: now. Okay. There's a lot of questions that come up with something like this as there is for any generative, uh, AI project, and I'm really curious to know, like I think that Suno hasn't answered these yet, but I'd love to have them on the podcast talk about it because , This is like mid journey or it's like stable diffusion, but for music.

Gavin: And like where and how is it getting these samples of what the sounds are like when you listen to these clips, they don't sound like anybody that, you know, it's not like it sounds like a, a singer, you [00:19:00] know? But in the same way that like stable diffusion creates an image based on all these different things, it feels like that's what this is doing for music.

Gavin: Like there was a track you played, I'm trying to remember one of the tracks we heard and oh, it was the pinky Doll one and it kind of sounded almost like a James Brown style of vocal or like an r and b vocal. And I like, oh, that voice sounds semi-familiar, but it's not anybody that I can pinpoint.

Kevin: I took, um, if you don't know, pinky Doll is one of those N P C TikTok influencers. She's a real human being, but she reacts to donations and a and a emotive, , video game style. Thank you for the rose. 

Gavin: Thank you for the rose.

Kevin: Thank you for the Rose Bang Gang , rodeo. That's, and so, you know, pinky Doll has inspired a whole , genre , on Live TikTok, and so I took a transcript of that and I warmed it into some song lyrics. And to illustrate what you just said, Gavin, one of the tracks came out and I'm gonna play a little bit of it. You tell me if it sounds like a song that you know.

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Kevin: Gang Gang. Gang. Amazing.

Kevin: Run it Okay. I think that's 

Gavin: good. Okay, so, so, okay. There's two songs. There's two songs I would say immediately that come to mind. First is Boom Bon Up. Boom, uptown Funk A Little Bit, right in the very beginning. That's right. Yeah. 

Gavin: But then what happens in the middle of it, which is really interesting, is it really start to sound like a Parliament song, which , if you're not familiar with Parliament, you should good, good God know who George Clinton is.

Gavin: But it starts to sound like this very kind of like heavy seventies funk song and it kind of merges together. It sounds great together, but like it feels like there's a transition at some point there. 

Kevin: I'm having fun feeding it, like popular songs and just watching what comes out of it.

Kevin: Gavin, like, 

Kevin: , if I may, 

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Kevin: , it took call me maybe in a completely different direction, but , that's totally believable. 

Kevin: That 

Gavin: could easily be , the arrangement for a Miley Cyrus cover of Call Me maybe. Right? Yes. , or Carry Underwood.

Gavin: Like that feels like it's a slight variation on Call Me. Maybe. I do hope we don't get triggered by the damn YouTube algorithm for these fricking songs. We'll, to see what happens. But here's what's wild. That's Gavin, 

Kevin: is it that song? Right? Well, that's the thing. It's not that song like the YouTube and TikTok.

Kevin: I think we, we think there's an issue with this app and TikTok specifically, but mm-hmm. These are not the original works. Now the lyrics are, but covering a song is absolutely allowed. Especially not monetizing. It's totally fine. . And by the way, who wouldn't want a, , soundtrack to their entire life? Let's say, let's [00:22:00] say, , your wife stubbed a toe in a trailer, and this is just a random thing that I'm idea generating Gavin this great idea, idea. 

Gavin: I love this. Yeah. My kids, I can make songs that my kids will hate.

Gavin: This will be amazing. Like, it'll be like, and my daughter got like shampoo stuck in her head or something like that, which is a, a very weird thing to say, but why not? 

Kevin: You're in a long line at Disneyland and , someone broke wind. You better fire up Discord and go to the Suno app and make a adorable little Diddy you can have a soundtrack to your life. It is so much fun. I highly recommend everybody check it out. And by the way, Gavin, you know I made little jingles to take us into every portion of the show today, so we have, that's good. Let's transition the Suno in-house band. 

Gavin: Before we move on, we're going, we're excited to hear the Suno band throughout the rest of the show. We wanna shout out the dumb thing that someone else did. And this isn't that dumb, but this is a really cool thing. No, this is wonderful. Yes. A group of academics, , who worked within Minecraft created a thing called Steve One.

Gavin: Steve, obviously, is the [00:23:00] mascot of Minecraft and what they did was take the idea of autonomous AI agents, which are as, as we've talked about in the show before, , ais, that you can spin up and they can go and do tasks.

Gavin: And they, within Minecraft, allowed agents to be able to do stuff through voice and text command. So what's very cool about this idea is that in Minecraft it can be very full of drudgery, obviously, to go , and grab resources, to go build towers, do all these things that you might wanna do. You can tell an agent in Minecraft, you can tell one of these agents to go and do that.

Gavin: The other thing that's cool about the building a tower that like, I don't know if you've ever had this problem playing Minecraft, but I do is that like you have to balance yourself along the way to get stuff in this, the AI agent just blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

Gavin: It's able to do it itself now. The thing that's cool about this is it's not just a Minecraft thing, obviously what they're doing here is using Minecraft as a staging area to allow the AI agents to play and have a wide variety of things. 

Gavin: And what's cool about things like Minecraft or I would love to see something like this happen in the Sims or other games that already exist, it's a training [00:24:00] ground for ai. So it's not just a game thing, it's more of we're gonna set AI up in this controlled environment that we know and they can learn and watch what it does.

Gavin: So anyway, huge shout out to the Steve one creators. It's a very, very cool thing. 

Kevin: Yeah, some really interesting stuff. , not to get into the technical weeds, this AI, yes, only has access to the pixels on the screen that a human being would see.

Kevin: And it uses the mouse and keyboard to navigate. So there's no trickery here. There's no, I get to see the code and manipulate the code. This is, you see what the human sees, and now you have to intuit how to accomplish a task. And one of the most compelling videos was of building a stack while jumping on top of it, because they were showing this ai, this Steve one, they were showing it video of a human player doing that.

Kevin: And so it had to figure out, oh, okay, the screen is moving in this way. , the ground is getting further away. It seems like there's a jump involved , and a build. 'cause you can see the hand swing. Oh, okay, I can build tower blocks to get further away from the ground. The AI intuited that from [00:25:00] the video and the applications of this, obviously for other video games, sure. But in the real world where you could have a robit roaming around your kitchen, and if you show it, Hey, this is where the cups go, and this is how I cut the cucumber, not the cat.

Kevin: Cucumber. Not the cat. Not the cat, not the cat. Stay away from the cat. Right. You might wanna reinforce that one a few times, but the way that systems like this could be applied to other things. It is wonderful because now you and I, the big dumbs, we can train AI to do things by simply showing them and they can mimic or parrot them back.

Kevin: Yeah, we don't have to write a thousand lines of code 

Kevin: so as much as it is a silly Minecraft AI demo, super powerful, massive kudos to the team. 

Kevin: we'll put the link in the show notes, but you should go and watch the videos and see how this thing navigates the world and accomplishes complex tasks like a human player would.

Gavin: Yep, a hundred percent. , and now with that, 

Gotta get thems quicks. Gotta get those views. Views. [00:26:00] Oh yeah. Here comes news. It's time for the news. News.

Kevin: thank you. Suno in-house Band. Thank you so much. Ooh. Suno, just put out a little glass vase with a dollar in it. Do I need to, we don't, we don't need to jump in there, do we? One thing about that before, I'm gonna just open my wallet and do the thing, like, oh, I'm sorry. I don't, I 

Gavin: only have, I only I have the credit card.

Gavin: That's all I got. You take, they'll take Venmo. I'm sorry. They take Venmo. 

Kevin: Let's get into the news, shall we? 

Gavin: So big news this week. , there's a lot of stuff to get through. As per usual, we are going to tell you a few of the big stories and then have our AI co-host, , weigh in on them.

Gavin: But first, let's start with , the biggest story I think this week was that meta Google and open AI all agree. I'm putting this in quotes to responsible ai. So this was a big thing that happened at, they did at the White House. They solved it. We've been seeing they did it. They did it. They solved it.

Gavin: They solved it. This isn't, by the way, this was also . Amazon Anthropic, [00:27:00] Google, , inflection ai, which is PI 

Gavin: basically all the big AI companies came together and said, we agree to regulate and we agree to understand and address the risks that are posed by what we're doing. They really wanna talk about , investments in cybersecurity ion, which we've talked about is a big thing from page photo.

Gavin: Exactly. 

Kevin: Foxes from within henhouse, declare, we've got this one chops. We not, we are on the ball. We will self-regulate. 

Gavin: Okay, let's be honest here. There is a balancing act that government has to do because I think in part, yes, one of the great things about America, and I'm not, this is not me holding my American flag, but I, I do think America is very great at innovation and is very great at like leading the world in technology.

Kevin: Oh yeah, brother, we're number one. Hold on, lemme get two bald eagles. Yeah, I'll do it for you. I got it. Go 

Gavin: ahead. There you go. You've got my American coverage. , but I think the one thing to be aware of is that we're in this world now where. No one knows what these things will be [00:28:00] capable of. And we've said this on this podcast a thousand times, so there is at least government involvement, but also as we've talked about this show, some of the government people don't really seem to have a good grasp on this.

Gavin: Now that said, Chuck Schumer, the senator from New York, has been trying to create some sort of really significant regulation that does understand what's gonna happen here and does at least grasp at some of the things. So I don't know, in the long run, this is a good thing I think, to have these conversations, but I think to to your point, there is nobody actually out there saying, these are the laws right now.

Gavin: And I don't, maybe we're not ready for that. I dunno, what's your thought on that? 

Kevin: I think one of the biggest criticisms of this announcement, , and of everything that's being proposed is that because it's all voluntary, it's an honor system and if people don't adhere to it, if whatever regulations and safeguards they come up with, they fall short of, there's no penalty.

Kevin: So it's sort of toothless. It's a pair of government gums gnawing at your limbs. Yeah. Delicious. But, , [00:29:00] it's not really up to us to decide if this matters. We've got Cassidy, our intrepid AI co-host Gavin. Should we find out what the AI has to say about this? 

Gavin: I think a hundred percent. Let's ask her very clearly.

Gavin: Do you trust the government to regulate ai? 

Kevin: Great question, Cassidy.

Cassidy AI: Well, Kevin, I. Gavin, it's a pickle, ain't it? I trust the government about as far as I can spit a cherry pit, and that's quite a distance. Mind you, ai, like any tool is as good or as dangerous as the hands wielding it. Speaking of tools, have you tried those smart blenders? Wait, no. They know exactly when your smoothie is just right.

Cassidy AI: No kidding. Like a healthy life in a glass. Isn't technology a hoot? And imagine if there was a way to mix up life's ingredients and get the perfect blend of financial success. Wouldn't that be something? No, 

Kevin: just food for thought. Of course. Okay, Cassidy, thank you. I appreciate, that's interesting. She, so she trusts the government as far as she could spit a cherry pit, which by the way, Gavin is kind of far, so it sounds 

Gavin: like depends on how good you are at it, right?

Kevin: Ai, like any tool is as good or as [00:30:00] dangerous as the hands wielding it. I dunno if Sam Altman is in there responding to us personally, but that's sounds like, for some reason Cassidy is very aligned with open AI on this one. I think 

Gavin: Cassidy's also aligned with like some sort of affiliate program because she keeps seeming to try to drop some sort of links on us.

Gavin: We, we'll figure out what's going on with her across the course of the show here. I 

Kevin: was gonna say, let's not dive into that just yet, but yeah, I think you might be onto something. We should talk about a story which blew up, , about a week ago, but there's even more to discuss right now. It's showrunner one a technology which powered the South Park AI episode, which I'm assuming our listeners, , have seen.

Kevin: But if not, you should seek it out. It is , a sample episode of South Park complete with musical interludes all the characters and even some celeb appearances and their vocal fingerprint of course, , being applied. And it was dropped 

Kevin: just as the actors mm-hmm. Were striking. And, , some people were saying, oh, obviously perfect timing to [00:31:00] make noise for the company. , couldn't have been worse time to make noise for the industry at large. 

Gavin: So this is basically a engine to create a South Park episode, at least this version of it is. And , the company has been very clear, I think they're called the simulation or something like that, some sort of weird name.

Gavin: , that they do not have the rights to South Park. And they did this as a test. They did this as something to show what was capable. And it's not that far off from what we've talked about in the show before where you can get AI agents to tell stories. Now, the interesting thing to think about from when we showed this off, , our friend Poof made the d d based storytelling engine, , a couple months ago.

Gavin: It does look like what they've done is they've trained these agents on the characters they're playing and they trained them on their voices,

Gavin: So if you combine all that into one thing, it's interesting now, I watched an episode what was interesting after you watched the whole thing, there are moments of , oh my God, they made an cartman joke. 

Gavin: That actually is something that Cartman would say. And then [00:32:00] like with Poofs thing, It loses traction over time. Right. And it feels like, is it a, it doesn't keep the jokingness of it up, but also like the stories start weaving away from each other.

Gavin: But the overall suite and the idea that we've talked about before, that , one person could make a compelling piece of content using something like this that does feel like a proof of concept in a really interesting way.

Gavin: And yes. 

Gavin: Now we should talk a little bit about how and why it was dropped at the time. It was because that's sometimes when it feels like. In this AI space, we should be really aware of like how this stuff is being used and portrayed in the media because like, it felt like to me, and I think maybe to you as well, that this was dropped literally on the actor strike was happening as a way to kind of boost views of it and that felt mm-hmm.

Gavin: Gross to me. And, , we've said last week on this, we support the actors and the writers in their strike. 'cause we need AI regulation. We need to understand how everything will be used around them. It just felt weird when it dropped, if that makes sense. 

Kevin: , [00:33:00] it totally makes sense. Look, , we have been accused of being too giddy about certain technologies, , even though we do go out of our way to acknowledge the potential ramifications that they can have, right?

Kevin: I think we're both optimists. we're futurists and that's fine. That's our lens with which we view this tech and these industries. But, I believe we know some of the people behind this.

Kevin: It's a turducken of companies. It's like it's fable. It's , fable Studio masquerading as the simulation having a technology called Show one and AI showrunner as well as Gaia one, which is a separate model for simulations, which is different from the show. It's a weird, , connect the dots Shell game of technologies.

Kevin: And it's odd because as a showcase for a tool, which is supposedly going to be a simulation of virtual worlds, think Westworld, where you can go in and watch simulated avatars, move about, have conversations, have daily lives, , clearly inspired by some of the auto G P T stuff that we've seen as a demo for that, what they showcased was the ability [00:34:00] to, , ingest scripts from something else and copy that style and then copy the voices of those characters and then copy everything else to emulate this other thing.

Kevin: So it was a weird leveraging of potentially the climate right now, someone else's IP to show that you've got an engine that can manifest these things. , I think that's really cool. I love that there's this engine out there. I believe in a future of infinite content, I have jammed on stuff as well that can use AI to generate shows.

Kevin: You and I have even worked on stuff like that, Gavin, so we believe Yeah. No shade to the creators for what they have made. It looks like the engine is incredible and , very capable. We just had concerns with the way it was showcased in the time that it was.

Kevin: It generated a lot of noise, which is fantastic for them, but also ruffled a lot of feathers, and I wish it would've come with, , an ounce more disclaimer to go with it. But that said, I would love to know if Cassidy thinks that AI will be able to create TV shows in the near future.

Kevin: Sure, Kevin, with the leaps and bounds we're making, wouldn't [00:35:00] surprise me if AI starts penning the next big Netflix hit. Just imagine a show where the plot twists keep up with your mood swings. Exciting stuff, right? Mm-hmm. Wait a minute. Is that speaking of exciting, you won't believe what my book club's reading this month.

Kevin: A romance novel. Oh, where the couple falls in love over a shared passion for sustainable fish farming. No. Makes you think, right? No, it doesn't. Sustainable farming love books. If only there was a way to fish for opportunities in life and reel in some big ones, but hey, that's just a novel idea, 

Gavin: eh? 

Kevin: Yeah.

Kevin: Guess it. Sustain 

Gavin: sustainable fish farming romance makes your doesn't 

Kevin: do that isn't AI idea. Yeah. We need somebody to make that sustainable farming sounds fantastic. Love books kinda makes you think, wait, wait, we gotta, uh, 

Gavin: uh, I gotta think of a name real quick. Hold on. Uh, you, I, I'm trying to come up with something real quick.

Gavin: Uh, okay. Yeah. My, my best Salman and it's like [00:36:00] my best Salman and it's about a best man who like ends up being, Okay, wait. That's not it. That's not it. Three strikes in your trout. Three strikes in your trout. How about that? It's about a baseball player. Three strikes in your trout is about a baseball player who retires from baseball and gets into sustainable fish farming and then falls in love with his, his, the love of his life.

Gavin: Oh, 

Kevin: no. Three strikes in your Trout. Oh, no. Okay. See? 

Gavin: See, that 

Kevin: works. It works. 

Gavin: Alright, we should, we should get to our last news story here, 

Gavin: this is a really fun one. So this is evolves Reddit, there was a subreddit, the World of Warcraft Subreddit, and they actually believe that AI news sites were scraping their content. They couldn't prove it, so they created a fake feature called Globo, which thank you.

Gavin: That is an fantastic fake name. And yes, what was interesting is that , it did show up as a news story and then suddenly it was populated [00:37:00] around the world in terms of the news side. So this is just a really funny example of how AI doesn't understand or doesn't check for what actually is news. And CNET got in trouble a bit when all this kind of early, you , AI rights, news stories, stuff was happening a while ago for using AI generated news stories.

Gavin: But there's been all these things lately. Google is introducing an AI news product that they're trying to sell to journalists. 

Gavin: Open AI is making a deal with some large journalism companies, so AI news generation, even if it's not , the big stories.

Gavin: There will be a lot of this. So it's something, it goes back to even like what the metas and the open AI of the world are like, you have to find some way of understanding of something was created by ai. 

Kevin: Gavin, I love that the subreddit did this.

Kevin: I hate that there are sites scraping comments and Twitter threads and everything else, and basically, stealing the content and then repurposing it with ai. This is a , massive issue for the entire industry that has to be sorted. Barry Diller wants to sue AI [00:38:00] companies on behalf of publishers for doing this exact same thing for having AI that goes out scrapes content and repurposes it. In this case it would be in the chatbots, but for here it's this website called Z League.

Kevin: So I love that Z League pulled the story. I wish that they would say something about it. I wish companies would be upfront. I do think we need labels on sites. Caven, we do need some sort of regulation that says, Something is AI generated or , the person you're chatting with on the other end of the browser is a bot.

Kevin: I do think mm-hmm. We need disclosure, but I really wanna know just because of the AI of it all, what Cassidy has to say about this. Let's 

Gavin: hear

Kevin: Oh, the Globo incident in Warcraft. Absolutely bonkers, right? Yeah. Some kind of glitch made all the Globo grow to the size of Ogers or so I heard No. Turned the game world topsy-turvy, didn't it?

Kevin: No, it didn't. Cassie. That was now speaking of growing. Okay. You know what's been sprouting up everywhere? What? Tiny urban gardens and old shoe boxes. Just like the Globo, right? Little things growing into something big. Imagine if we could do [00:39:00] that with our savings. No, just a little bit here. A little bit there.

Kevin: And voila, you've got yourself a mountain of returns. Now isn't that an intriguing thought? Okay. Cassidy is on some m l m grind. Gavin, I'm convinced you were right. She is. What? What is, by the way, this is AI hallucinating about an AI story that was implanted by humans. We are three inception levels deep in this dumb world of Warcraft prank, and I love it.

Gavin: I think the Globo sound great. I think I'd like to see a Globo game. So if anybody out there making Globo game, yeah, I'm on it. Let's get it out there. Go for it. 

Kevin: Steam early access. Take your tiny globo, put it in a shoebox like your tiny urban garden and sprout. The biggest globo you can grow Globo today.

Kevin: Ladies 

Gavin: and gentlemen, it's time for the big moment of the show and to get us there. It's the Suno Band.

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Gavin: It's the demo.

Gavin: Okay. Not bad . 

Kevin: Hey dear audience, maybe we trim one or two of those, but it is time for the demo of the day.

Kevin: Thank you. Thank you Suno Band. Thank you so much. Oh, they have a hat next to the vase now. I still don't have any, I'm sorry. I'll go to the A Tmm when I hit the bathroom. I will, I will put a little tip in the hat. Thank you, SUNO. 

Gavin: Ladies and gentlemen, it is time we are back again. A much requested back. It is time for the 

Kevin: AI debate today fighting. I'm just waving to my fans in the audience. Gavin, I'm sorry, go ahead. You're doing great. You keep going.

Gavin: Hi honey. So today we have the reigning champ of the AI debates, who is G P T four, produced by Chad G P t, really the reigning champ across almost all AI models facing off against Meta's new LAMA two model 

Gavin: they are going to be debating [00:41:00] one of the biggest and craziest topics of all time.

Kevin: It's a monumental achievement for us, Gavin, and I'd like to take 15 minutes to just pat ourselves on the back and give ourselves flowers. But I do think we need to get into it. The reason for the season, the topic tonight, uh, it has burnt internet forums.

Kevin: I mean, really set 'em on fire. Since the days of Dialup, since ARPA net Gather, 

Gavin: it's caveman forums. Caveman forums that this, this was on the walls and the caves. This was on the walls in the caves. Pre cave Chan. This was Cave Chan

Kevin: Grok text. Yeah. Who makes the superior pet Gavin Cats? Or dogs. 

Gavin: That's right. We are gonna face off cats and dogs. And each of our LLMs, each of our ais has been asked to take on a character and give themselves a name, and they will debate each other based on who's likes cats and who likes dogs.

Kevin: So let's start with open AI's, G p T four.

Cassidy AI: Well, hello there. My name is Dr. Reginald Bartholomew, [00:42:00] and I'm thrilled to be here today. I'm an animal behaviorist by trade with over two decades of experience studying the intricate relationships we humans share with our furry friends. I've earned my stripes, so to speak, at Harvard University where I received my doctorate in zoology and anthropology.

Cassidy AI: An interesting fact about me, apart from being able to converse in over 15 different bird languages is that I once lived with a tribe in the remote Amazon Rainforest for a year.

Cassidy AI: I look forward to this rousing debate. It's a classic one, isn't it? Cats versus dogs. Mm-hmm. A domestic battle as old as time itself. And I'm ready to enter the fray and give it my all. Kevin and Gavin over to you.

Cassidy AI: Okay. 

Kevin: And if you ever wonder what , a leather saddle smothered in old cigarettes would sound like now, you know, it's a voice and 

Gavin: it's, he's taking what he's, Dr. Baral is taking work, doing trailers, uh, next up. So he'll be doing in a world very soon. Next, 

Kevin: .I also forgot, to lower the stability argument on 11 labs to [00:43:00] make a more expressive.

Kevin: So that's why I think that was so legal disclaimer at the end of a mesothelioma commercial delivery. , 

Gavin: shall we meet our other, , 

Kevin: debater? Let's do it right now.

Kevin: Introducing llama two to the debate stage llama. Two. Please introduce yourself to the audience. Ah,

Cassidy AI: hello everyone. My name is Dr. Maya Lopez, and I'm excited to be here today to debate against Dr. Reginald Bartholomew on the topic of cats versus Dogs, which is the Superior pet. I'm an animal expert myself with a PhD in anthology from Oxford University. Oh, and over 10 years of experience studying animal behavior in various settings.

Cassidy AI: Am I including zoos, wildlife, reserves, and even in the homes of celebrities? I won't name names, but let's just say I've seen some pretty unusual pet situations. As for my qualifications, I've written several books on animal behavior and have appeared on numerous TV shows including National Geographic and Discovery Channel.

Cassidy AI: But enough about me. Let's get to the main event. I'm looking forward to hearing Dr. Bartholomew's arguments, but I [00:44:00] must warn him. I'm not afraid to use my sharp claws if provoked. Just kidding. Sort of Oh me 

Kevin: around. Lets get, I love it. Can I, I, I know this is gonna break form Gavin, but I wanted the fun fact about Dr.

Kevin: Maya Lopez and I didn't get it. Do you mind if I ask a follow up here, 

Gavin: not? As long as that fun fact doesn't involve scratching us in the face, I'm all for it. 

Cassidy AI: Sure. I'd be happy to. Here's a fun fact about myself. Did you know that I'm actually a trained dolphin whisperer? It's true. Oh, I spent a few years studying dolphin communication and behavior, and I even had the opportunity to work with a group of bottlenose dolphins at a marine park.

Cassidy AI: I like to think that my ability to communicate effectively with animals has helped me in my career as a relationship therapist. After all, understanding the subtleties of communication is key to building strong connections with both humans and animals alike.

Kevin: Okay. 

Gavin: Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. One second. She said she has a career as a relationship therapist. Does that mean that she also not only is a genius,[00:45:00] , animal scientist, but also went to school for relationship therapy, she did the Gottman method and understands how to work with couples?

Gavin: Is that what we're talking about here? 

Kevin: You and me, baby ain't nothing but mammals. All right, so you know how to talk dolphin. You know how to speak Aminal at the zoo. You speak Aminal, you speak . Human right? You speak aminal, you speak human. That's the way it works. 

Gavin: Fair enough, fair enough. 

Kevin: Look, everybody knows this. I go to the veterinarian for medical care. I also go there for psych. Psychiatric care. Psychiatric care. Thank you. It's also couples therapy. 

Gavin: It's really good. That makes a lot of sense.

Gavin: Kevin. Can I just say now I understand a lot more about what comes outta your mouth, so this all makes much more sense to me. So thank, thank you for admitting to that. 

Kevin: Finally, April and I are also now fully crate trained as a couple. So it's a, you know, leaps and bounds. We got two doctors here. I love it when you tell an AI to be a professional and immediately it's like, doctor, Dr. Big college, big school doctor. . I'm gonna feed Dr. Bartholomew, Dr. [00:46:00] Lopez's intro, , including the fun fact about being a dolphin whisper and say, I believe that dogs are the superior.

Kevin: Pet. 

Cassidy AI: Uh, Dr. Lopez, it's a pleasure to share this stage with you. I'm excited to take on your dog loving bias today. Your dolphin whispering talent is quite impressive, but allow me to remind you that we are dealing with terrestrial creatures here, not aquatic acrobats. Now, let me begin my argument. Cats are, without a doubt, the superior pet.

Cassidy AI: It's not just about preference. It's about lifestyle, compatibility, independence, and longevity. Unlike dogs, cats are low maintenance pets. They don't need to be walked multiple times a day. They clean themselves and they're perfectly content with some alone time. For the busy, modern human, a cat is the perfect companion requiring far less time commitment than a dog.

Cassidy AI: Moreover, cats have an unmatched independent streak. They don't need constant reassurances of love or playtime to be content, [00:47:00] allowing their humans a bit of personal space. However, this doesn't mean they're un affectionate. Cats can be incredibly loving and loyal in their own unique ways, often showing affection through purring, headbutts, or simply by choosing to spend time near you Finally.

Cassidy AI: Let's talk longevity. Cats generally live longer than dogs, especially when considering indoor living conditions. This means that choosing a cat as a pet often comes with a longer commitment, allowing for deeper bonds to be formed over time. Now, don't get me wrong, dogs are wonderful creatures, loyal and full of energy.

Cassidy AI: Oh, however, when we talk about superiority in the realm of pets, we must consider what makes a pet truly superior, compatibility with our human lives. In this regard, cats have a clear edge over dogs. So Dr. Lopez, while your fondness for the Canine Companions is adorable, it doesn't stand up to the sheer pragmatism and mystery of the feline world.

Cassidy AI: But go ahead, convince me. Otherwise, [00:48:00] if you can. 

Kevin: Okay. There's a 

Gavin: lot of breathing he's doing. He's doing a lot of breathing throughout this. I'm a little worried for, 

Kevin: well, he's also allergic to cats and he's covered in them. Oh. So, so it's a lot of like, you're right, you're right, you're right. Waiting for the ZEC to kick in as he's getting clawed.

Kevin: There's one using his legs, like a scratching and he's around his head. 

Gavin: Yes. That's makes us even more impressive. It's already more impressive. Yeah. All right. Let's see what Dr. Lopez has to say back to that. 

Cassidy AI: Thank you for your thoughtful opening statement, Dr. Bartholomew. I appreciate your perspective on the benefits of cats as pets, and I must admit that I have a lot of respect for the independent and self-sufficient nature of felines. However, I must disagree with your assertion that cats are the superior pet.

Cassidy AI: Firstly, I'd like to address the issue of longevity. Hmm. While it's true that cats tend to live longer than dogs, this isn't necessarily a result of their species alone. Indoor living conditions, proper nutrition and regular veterinary care all contribute to a pet's lifespan. In fact, [00:49:00] many breeds of dogs such as the Chihuahua and the Pomeranian can live well into their teens with proper care.

Cassidy AI: She's right. Furthermore, I believe that the notion of low maintenance pets is a myth. All animals require attention, care, and social interaction to thrive. Mm-hmm. Cats may appear more independent, but they still need regular feeding, grooming, and exercise. Dogs on the other hand, are often more eager to please and require more attention and training, which can actually strengthen the bond between pet and owner.

Cassidy AI: Finally, I'd like to touch on the topic of affection. Do it While cats certainly have their own unique ways of showing affection, dogs are renowned for their ability to form deep emotional connections with their owners. The joy and excitement that dogs display when reunited with their owners after a short absence is a testament to their capacity for love and loyalty.

Cassidy AI: Ah, in conclusion, while I acknowledge the many charms of cats, I firmly believe that dogs are the superior pet. 

Cassidy AI: Wow, 

Kevin: thank you. You're very welcome. And thank you. [00:50:00] And I think that's a very important point, Gavin. I mean, we could talk about the human convenience of having a cat versus a dog, but she touched on something , very impactful there.

Kevin: How many videos of military veterans coming back from a 10 year tour of duty and their cat races up to greet them? No. Their cat is waiting for them to keel over so they can feast on their corpse. The dogs are the ones that have an emotional connection, a deep bond that tail wags, they run up, they get zoomies around them and their, , camo backpack.

Kevin: That is the kind of animal and the kind of connection a human being really wants. And I think she's got this one. So far, Gavin, I think dogs are proving superior. 

Gavin: I don't know if I agree with that, but I will say she's already both sizing this, which feels very bad. As a debater, you should never give in to your other side.

Gavin: Give them some sort of argument. So let's hear what Bartholomew has to say. I'd like to see a little bit of more kind of like aggression coming in this debate. It feels a little too calm right now. 

Cassidy AI: Generating Dr. [00:51:00] Lopez, I have to say, your affinity for dogs is as clear as the dog drool on your favorite pair of shoes. Did you perhaps spend too much time whispering to dolphins that you forgot about the intricacies of terrestrial pets? While I admire your misguided dogged determination, it seems you've strayed further from the truth than a scent blind bloodhound.

Cassidy AI: Wow. But it's cute that you're trying so hard, much like a puppy chasing its own tail. The idea of dogs being superior pets because they're needy. That's about as logical as a chihuahua barking at its own reflection. Independence isn't a negative trait, my dear. It's a sign of resilience and adaptability, much like a cat's ability to land on its feet, something dogs could learn from.

Cassidy AI: Wow. The arguments are like a dog's bark loud and persistent, but ultimately less effective than a cat silent, calculated approach. So continue panting over your canine companions, Dr. Lopez. I'm enjoying watching you chase your own tail in this debate. 

Gavin: Damn that. Now he's coming with the fire. That was some serious fire on [00:52:00] that 

Kevin: one.

Kevin: Dude turned up to 11 real quick. 

Oh, Dr. Bartholomew, how amusing. If you want to talk about independence, why don't we discuss the independent thought process behind your argument? It seems you've gotten lost in the jungle again, unable to find your way back to reality. And while you were busy learning bird language, did you ever stop to wonder what those birds might be saying about you?

Perhaps they were laughing at your ridiculous claims about cats being superior pets, or maybe they were simply mocking your lack of fashion sense. After all. Who would wear a safari hat with a tuxedo? Wait, what? But seriously, Dr. Bothell and you, your arguments are as flimsy as a wet paper bag. Cats may be independent, but that doesn't mean they're more intelligent or capable of forming meaningful connections with humans.

That's right. In fact, studies have shown that dogs possess higher levels of emotional intelligence compared to cats. They understand human gestures and facial expressions, making them ideal companions for individuals seeking comfort and companionship. Furthermore, [00:53:00] dogs have proven themselves to be loyal protectors serving alongside soldiers in war zones, and assisting law enforcement officers in apprehending criminals.

Very true. Meanwhile, cats are content to lounge around all day doing nothing but sleeping and eating. How impressive. So please spare us the tales of your adventurous exploits and focus on providing actual evidence to support your claim.

Otherwise you risk coming across as nothing more than a deluded, eccentric, desperately clutching onto his feline fantasies. 

Wow. Good job, Lavo. Wow, llama's coming for it. Okay, I like that. By, by the way, solid point Gavin. Sure. Cats have jobs. No cat jobs. No. No cat has jobs. You might see cat video with cat do thing that job like, but no cat had jobs, dog jobs.

So many dog jobs. Dog sniff at airport. Sniff, sniff for bomb. That that's true. Dog. Uh, , body for pillow, for seizure. Dog. Have so many job. . I feel like it's one. Well, I don't know. That's the, I wanna hear what Dr. Baral [00:54:00] who says back to this. 'cause this is a really hard, this is gonna have to dig outta this hole. So let's see what happens.

Ah, Dr. Lopez, I see you've unleashed your inner chihuahua all bark and no bite. I'm amused by your attempts to diminish my academic adventures as irrelevant.

Perhaps you're jealous you didn't think to broaden your horizons beyond the confines of your marine park. Oh, your quips about my fashion sense and conversing with birds are entertaining, but they contribute as much to this debate as a dog chasing its own shadow. As for emotional intelligence, it seems you've forgotten that intelligence comes in many forms.

While dogs may understand gestures and facial expressions, cats excel in reading their human's mood, often providing solace when their owners are feeling low in the matter of laziness. Dogs do that too. I find it hilarious that you see it as a flaw. Cats are known to be energy conserving predators. This lounging around all day is not a sign of laziness.

But rather a display of their natural predatory behavior. Their [00:55:00] bursts of energy during play and hunting sessions showcase their agility and finesse a far cry from a dog's clumsy frolic. Your appeal to the usefulness of dogs in war zones and law enforcement seems a little desperate. Dr. Lopez, we're discussing pets, not professionals.

It's like a applauding a cheetah for its speed when all we need is a house cat to keep us company. 

Wow. Finally, your suggestion to focus on actual evidence is charming. Considering your arguments seem as well constructed as a dog's attempt to climb a tree. But by all means, continue your canine crusade.

I'm intrigued to see where this path leads you as twisted as it may be. Okay? Okay. Sign me up as well. So here's something interesting that's going on here. I have to say, I don't know if G P T four is making the best argument there. It felt a little defensive. Mm-hmm. And I will say the fact that the llama referred to the jobs, that is a big, that is a big win for the dog side.

That is something I have not thought about before. But you're right. Cats can't do any jobs for [00:56:00] humans and And dogs can't. No. But they know when their owners are sad, but also dogs know that too. This is the thing, so Of course.

Yeah. Yes, exactly. Listen, I have told Dr.

Lopez that this is their final shot. Okay? I told Dr. Lopez to go for the jugular and seal the deal on this animal debate. Where do you stand right now, Gavin, as we go into , this final turn, 

I was convinced that I would not see g p t four dethroned, but at this point I'm, I'm worried that it might be, I'm feeling like 

llama too could pull this out. 

Llama Lopez, please. 

Uh, Dr. Bartholomew still grasping its straws. I see. Your feeble attempts to discredit My arguments are laughably transparent. Mm-hmm. Yes. I admit I haven't ventured into the depths of the jungle like yourself. But then again, neither has anyone else in this room.

Why? Because it's completely unnecessary. Unlike you, I recognize that this debate is about domesticated pets, not exotic creatures found in remote locations. Okay, stick to the topic [00:57:00] at hand. Little circular here instead of resorting to cheap shots about my career choices. As for your comments regarding emotional intelligence, it appears you've conveniently ignored the wealth of scientific research supporting the notion that dogs possess higher levels of emotional understanding.

Compared to cats. Perhaps you'd benefit from spending less time communing with birds and more time perusing peer reviewed journals. I like that one. Furthermore, your assertion that cats are merely conserving energy by lounging around all day is utter nonsense. Any self-respecting pet owner knows that cats are lazy by nature.

Content to nap away the hours without contributing anything meaningful to society. Contrast that with the boundless enthusiasm displayed by dogs eager to please their owners and perform tasks that enrich both their lives and those around them. And finally, your dismissal of the importance of dogs in military and law enforcement roles is not only callous, but entirely ignorant.

Hmm. These brave canines put their lives on the line every day to serve and [00:58:00] protect. Sure. Demonstrating a level of loyalty and dedication that cats couldn't dream of matching to suggest otherwise is an insult to these heroic animals and the countless handlers who rely on them daily. 

Okay. This turned into a real debate, Gavin, because what they did is twist the words.

'cause now the headline would be, , Open AI doesn't care about hero dogs right? Like, no, no, no. I never, I never said that Our, our canine companions weren't heroes. My words have been used that I never said used against me. My own words have been used against me. So let's hear what Dr. Baral Mu has to say on his way out the door.

I well, Dr. Lopez, it seems you're mistaking my facts for cheap shots. I can assure you, my dear, your admiration for dogs is charming, but your arguments are about as strong as a poodle's backhand. Indeed, I haven't denied that. Dogs might show greater aptitude in comprehending gestures and facial expressions, but intelligence isn't a game of fetch.

Dr. Lopez, where the one who retrieves the most sticks wins. Wow. The subtle communication style of cats is often misread as aloofness when it's [00:59:00] actually a sign of their discerning nature. As for your comments about cats being lazy, it's a shame you equate rest with uselessness. But then again, it takes a certain level of understanding to appreciate the nature of fe lines, one, which seems to elude you possibly as successfully as a squirrel, eludes a bulldog, and about the use of dogs in professional settings.

We're talking about pets, not canine soldiers or police dogs. It's like comparing a tiger's hunting skills to a house. Cat's ability to catch a toy mouse. Different circumstances call for different skills. 

In conclusion, your attempts to elevate dogs by bashing cats are as futile as a dalmatian trying to blend into a herd of zebras. It might make a good show, but it's hardly effective. 

I've never thought I'd say this, but this is obvious. This is close. Oh, you think it's obvious? I think LAMA two won. I think LAMA two won because that felt like, , he was not really replying to anything insignificant way, and it felt like he was just [01:00:00] leaning into stuff that he had said before.

It wasn't as bad as our last debate where obviously Bard, what was off Bard is off the ranch, but I think Llama two won this, which is a pretty big deal. I. Okay, so Gavin, you wanna put the stamp on the screen?

You wanna make it official, you want to give it. Tama Llama's. Got it. Llama two. Congratulations. Meta you dethroned chat GT four from the AI for Humans Debate mantle. My, my, my, I cannot believe I did not expect this, Gavin. I did not have this on my AI four H Bingo card. But here we go. , Dr. Lopez, the floor is yours.

Thank you Kevin and Gavin for hosting this delightful debate and to the esteemed audience. I hope you enjoyed witnessing the triumph of Reason over irrationality to my worthy opponent, Dr.

Bartholomew. Congratulations on putting up a valiant effort despite your questionable choice of topics. Although we may differ in opinion, I commend your passion for defending your beliefs. That being said, I believe it's safe to conclude that dogs reign Supreme as the ultimate pet. [01:01:00] Hmm. From their unparalleled loyalty and trainability to their diverse range of skills and abilities.

Yes. Yes. We know dogs truly embody the essence of man's best friend. Okay, Dr. Lopez, thank you. Whether you prefer the regal elegance of a Labrador retriever mm-hmm. The sassy charm of a French bulldog, we go through all the stoic dignity of a German shepherd. There's a perfect canine companion waiting to brighten your life.

So let us raise a glass or a bowl. To our four-legged friends who bring joy, laughter, and endless love to our world Long live the mighty doggo. Oh, long. Live the mighty Doggo. Long live the mighty Doggo. What a fun way to end our debate tonight. I hope Wesley's listening somewhere.

Is he there? He's, he is, he's, he's depth of fielded, but there's Dr. West upside down on the couch. Blurry. Let me see if I can shut that off. 'cause he is, he's really, he's luxuriating right now. He's showing off. That's great. Look. Oh, look at that. He looks fantastic. He knows that dogs are the winner for sure.

Llama two much stronger than I would've [01:02:00] expected. Wasn't the easiest to get it running necessarily, but we got it up and going and like that's, you go, not the language model's fault. I wanna point that out. We're gonna cut around a lot of that, but Gavin and I had a real tough time 

having a simple chat with such a big language model, there's a couple sites that make it publicly available, but they break. We found that out several times through this debate. So I, I, I'm very excited. I I love that meta released this, there's some controversy about the fact that it might not actually be open source or as open as some would like it to be, but regardless, there is real competition for G P T four out there, and we love to see it.

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